I think "Libaax-sankataabte" is the best nick name here, it always make me laugh!

I personally don't think Somalis are mixed race, not more than any other race. But rather I think we are a race of our own (not quite same as other "African nor Arabs) there is tendency to categorized people as black, white, Arabs.. but the fact of matter is we are unique and one of its kind race. I found below article interesting: article 1 about where egyptians black? Loring C. Brace is often cited as someone who's proven that the ancient Egyptians weren't black. He measures skulls and runs craniological evidence through computers, and concludes that sub-Saharan Africans are black, and Egyptians are in a group more similar to Europeans -- but he also considered Nubians and Somalis more like Europeans. And yet the evidence is there to be seen. Many modern Egyptians, many of them descendants of ancient Egyptians, look black. Why measure skulls and use a computer for this conclusion? Ethiopians and Somalis have been described as Caucasoid before; there is a double standard here, too. Scholars cannot have more than one definition of blackness - the one-drop rule for the US, and for Africa the 19th century standard of the "true Negro" of the original black race with the darkest of complexions and the most Negroid of features. In the 19th century, people in Africa without the most pronounced Negro features were not considered black. The Somalis were considered Hamitic. The differences you see in Africa were not caused by marriage with [non-African] outsiders -- Africans evolved that way. Do Somalis look more European with their features or do Europeans look more like Somalis? Article 2 the hamitic myth According to Webster's New World Dictionary a Hamite can be described as, "a member of any of several usually dark-skinned peoples of N and E Africa, including the Egyptians, Berbers, etc.8" To many this is a general description of a Black African. But to those who perpetuate this Hamitic hypothesis however this is not the case. Rather these Hamites fall conveniently into the category of Caucasian. In his work, Races of Africa, Dr. C.G. Seligman makes the following statement: …the civilizations of Africa are the civilizations of the Hamites, its history the record of these peoples and their interaction with the two other African stocks, the Negro and the Bushman, whether this influence was exerted by highly civilized Egyptians or by such wider pastoralists as are represented at the present day Beja and Somali…The incoming Hamites were pastoral Europeans--- arriving wave after wave---better armed as well as quicker witted than the dark agricultural Negroes. 9 A somewhat similar viewpoint is held by Dr. Donald Weidner in his work, A Short History of Africa South of the Sahara: Caspian types also began to appear in western Kenya. They are known variously as Caspian people, early Cushites or early Hamites…These people, it is believed, migrated northeastward into Arabia and western Asia as well as northwestward into Egypt and North Africa. Recent scholars (notably Joseph H. Greenberg) have suggested that the term Cushite be applied to this parent of the Caucasian race, and that their basic language be Afroasiatic (formerly Hamitic)…Cushites who were developing Caucasian characteristics penetrated Egypt about 5,000 B.C.10 Though similar in theme, unlike Seligman, Weidner places these Hamites as originating in the heart of Africa itself, as far as Kenya., and migrating northward. But in accordance with Seligman he readily identifies them with Caucasians. when these Caucasian cranial traits were found to exist in certain Nile Valley populations, it was assumed that these Africans were either Caucasians or hybrids of Caucasians and Africans. These Hamites are also known as members of the Brown race, Mediterranean race, Eurafricans, dark-whites Seligman links the "highly civilized Egyptians" with the Beja and Somali, he identifies them as Hamites who themselves are separated from "the Negro and the Bushman." In fact these Hamites, who may have reached as far as Somalia, are classified as "pastoral Europeans." Sir Grafton Elliot Smith was the next figure to whom Reynolds attributed the proliferation of the Mediterranean myth. A Professor of Anatomy at Cairo's Egyptian Museum in the early 1900s, Smith based his findings on his examination of a wide variety of human bodies belonging to predynastic and dynastic Egyptians. His findings revealed what he described as people having an effeminate and frail build, poorly developed eyebrows, small broad noses and slight prognathism.15. But he classifies these people of predynastic and dynastic times as members of the Brown race and, according to Reynolds, vehemently "rejected the thought of a Negroid or Black affiliation of the type generally called Hamitic or Brown."16 Reynolds makes the following summary of Smith's findings: Smith initially designated this type the Brown race on the basis of the coloring of the ancient Egyptian iconography and, secondly, because of what he considered to be the close osteological and cranial affinities with the mainly Cushitic-speaking peoples of East Africa, now called Bedja, Somali, Beni Amer, and Oroma (Galla) in Sudan, Ethiopia, and Eritrea. 17

After 13 yrs of destruction, it seems like we(Somalis) have not learn anything! It is sad to see folks on S.O.L displaying similar characteristics that left us where we are. One thing that Differentiate Somalis from other nationalities is that we don't examine things and respond Appropriately, rather we jump into issues and make empty arguments about it without relying on concrete evidence. We are mostly driven by preconceived concepts and pure emotions. No wonder why warlords are successful in manipulating emotions! We should ask, where this is from? who is Publicizing it? what is their objective in doing so? Is the picture valid? There is no question, crimes against humanities was commited in Somali, but purning person alive is uncomprehensible and concrete avidences are not presented here. As for Ange-Dust and people who trying to justify this story for Somali seccession, any Somali community can claim tregady done to them by other Somalis and we will just playing around circle. fighting for justice & fairness, and debilitating your own country's unity and calling for seperation are two very differrent things, but so called "Somaliland" avocates didn't seem to know the differrence. "Somaliland" didn't people understand what Somaliland means? isn't Land of Somali which means all Somalia. I guess it time for them to invent new name!

This from Minnesota Public Radio. If U like to see more visit: http://news.mpr.org/features/2003/04/07_galballye_somalisinger/ April 8, 2003 Rochester, Minn. — These days Hibo Mohamed Nuur lives thousands of miles from where she was born, raised and achieved superstardom. Nowadays she can walk down a street in Rochester unrecognized. That is, until she runs into someone from Somalia. For decades, Hibo Mohamed Nuur's legendary voice drew thousands to concerts from Mogadishu to Toronto. They still call her the James Brown of Somali music. But for the past few years, Nuur's lived in relative obscurity in Rochester. The Somali superstar is unrecognized by most people in her new home. The refugee life has little flash and glamor. But Nuur remains hopeful she'll sing again in Somalia She says her fans have been known to stop her everywhere from the grocery store to the street corner. "They give me a paper to sign. They get very excited when they see me," she laughingly explains. The reason is her music. Nuur's voice soars over drums and pianos. Plaintive and controlled, Nuur sings a love story about a couple that reunite after 15 years apart. Nuur became a household name in Somalia in the 1970s. She recorded dozens of live and studio albums. But with the fall of the Somali government in 1991, much of that work was destroyed. “ Some of Somali people, they call me James Brown. Some Somali people they call me like Michael Jackson. They call me many names. - Hibo Mohamed Nuur ” Today she can still be heard on bootlegged albums smuggled out of Somalia. The BBC and a radio station in the neighboring east African country of Djibouti also maintain an archive, and occasionally Nuur's music is broadcast on Middle Eastern radio stations. But Nuur receives no royalties from her years of work. Now, at age 50, she lives a carefully frugal life. Abdullah Hared works at the Rochester Somali Resettlement office. He's a friend of Nuur's and helps to translate. "She doesn't have anything. She's supposed to be wealthy at this time but she's not," says Hared. Nuur shakes her scarf-covered head in agreement. She sits in the makeshift studio of Rochester Somali television, where she hosts a local program. On this afternoon, Nuur records a series of promos telling viewers to tune in for BBC news and Somali entertainment. Nuur comes from a prominent Somali family. Her father was a famous poet. Even so, Nuur's decision to become a singer was controversial. Abdullah Hared says that's because it challenged traditional gender roles. "But when she became famous, when she became a celebrity, her family and all of Somalia recognized the position she's in," says Hared. Still, Nuur says she's most frequently compared to famous male singers. "Some of Somali people they call me James Brown, some Somali people they call me like Michael Jackson. They call me many names," says Nuur. Nuur hopes to hit the road in the coming year with her second U.S. tour. She says there are pockets of Somali fans scattered across the country. But Nuur says she's really waiting for peace to return to her homeland. When and if that happens, Nuur plans to be on the first plane back to Somalia. Then, she says, she'll give her most memorable performance yet.

I don't think U can compare African American with Somalis. What are the similarities U are looking @ when U making your comparison. I am not historian, but apparrently Arabs and Somalis mingle in great deal, they inter-married and shared many things in a possitive way and U can not compare that type of relationship with what african americans went through.

I attended Lecture about Islam and terrorism @ Purdue University organized by some Christian student groups. The guess lecturer was from Egypt who converted to Christianity, he was education from Al-Asar University (the oldest Islamic University in the world, or any University for that matter). In his lecture, he said anything he could say to vilify Islam and Muslims. It was the longest 45 minutes in my life; I just couldn’t bear listening of his lies. I was “about to throw my chair at him” as Haboon said. The good thing was his speech was not intellectually appealing, it was only one sided and he simply degraded Islam so much that even non-Muslims questioned his sincerity and the accuracy of what he had to say. My point is, when “they” want to speak ill of Islam and Muslims they used people who had Muslim background to present them as legitimate source of info. about Islam. Now looking back, I am glad I attended that lecture for two reason: I shouldn’t take Islam for granted that I should be thankful that I am Muslim, this man was born as Muslim and I wouldn’t be any different if Allah snatches Tawfiiq from me (Ilaah baanka maqan galay). Secondly, isn’t enough to be emotionally stirred up for while when I heard such things, that I should educate myself and be prepare, so when I encounter such thing so I would be in a position to respond appropriately. To make the long story short, Muslim student manage to host another lecture about the same topic in the same school with a guess speaker who had more balance view of the subject, and the speaker himself was not Muslim but he was highly knowlegible and well informed.

thanks Canbaro, this is very refreshing.

I agree with Jamaal11, most important thing is, your potential parter's creed, not his race, even though cultural differences can sometimes create some frictions, but I believe it can be worked out as long the couple are true to their common faith. On the other hand, U only mention guys in Ottawa being very incompetent and not worthy of having relationship with, did U consider Somalis anywhere else?

I agree with Jamaal11, most important thing is, your potential parter's creed, not his race, even though cultural differences can sometimes create some frictions, but I believe it can be worked out as long the couple are true to their common faith. On the other hand, U only mention guys in Ottawa being very incompetent and not worthy of having relationship with, did U consider Somalis anywhere else?

I agree with Jamaal11, most important thing is, your potential parter's creed, not his race, even though cultural differences can sometimes create some frictions, but I believe it can be worked out as long the couple are true to their common faith. On the other hand, U only mention guys in Ottawa being very incompetent and not worthy of having relationship with, did U consider Somalis anywhere else?

I agree with Jamaal11, most important thing is, your potential parter's creed, not his race, even though cultural differences can sometimes create some frictions, but I believe it can be worked out as long the couple are true to their common faith. On the other hand, U only mention guys in Ottawa being very incompetent and not worthy of having relationship with, did U consider Somalis anywhere else?

Well said, Princess_Sexy, I could't agree with U more!

Thanks Mizz-HurriCane, indeed it is a great lesson.

Acuudka! aren't U guys have any Somali song which can descripe your love life or some. I guess that shows us how much we changed! Songs carry profound meaning more than just the mere english words, they have societal and culture framework, which clearly is very differrent than our own. The Somali song which I can say it can describe my love life is by Khadro Daahir: ... Ugub nimo Xishood lee ilnugalyba waakee, afka kama cadaynkaro ergana umadiraynkaree Caashaqu ogaysiis maleeyahay... It is not like I am in the situation the song describes, but it happens so often to Somali girls that they are in love and unable to communicate to the person.

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".....What is not relevant to body size is Love. And love is a gut feeling phenomena when it is a sincere, real one. And sincere love is blind to the physical attributes (fat/thin, short/tall. etc.) Charm, intellect, honest, piety, and other desirable characteristics that we truly yearn are not easily read in the short encounters with our potential mates. Thus the physical appearance are next best thing that our eyes naturaly scan through in this hasty life and crowded world to find someone so we can do some shukaansi...and see if they possess the qualities we are looking...why would anyone select the unknown unattractive mate over unknown attractive one. If u are aproached then humility is in order! In short, I wouldn't characterize those who seem to have taste for 'dhuubo-dhex yar', 'qorran' and 'qallanjo' nomads as "dumb". They are just excersizing their God given freedom to select their mate among potential mates out there" Well said, Baashi, I couldn't agree more! Let us admit we are human, men and women, we often get attracted by physical beauty, then personality comes second, personally, physical beauty is on the bottom of my list when I am descriping who could be my potential mate, but I have to admit that is the first thing that gets my attention.

It is heartbreaking truth that our people treat some of its own people differrently without any concrete reason to do so. It is possible to undue this preception and I think it is our responsibilyas young folks to challenge this awful tradition not to reinforced it!

after all the awful things, it refreshing to hear something like this.

Apparently, U have extremely well manners, and are self controllable individual, U probably also understood that not only it is sin to commit Sina but it would be highly unlikely for U two to have future marriage if U get physical prior to the marriage. It is very rare to see people who commit Sina, have meaningful marriage relation afterwards. It seems that is cinqaab Alle xagee uga timaada intaanba aakhiro lagarin dadkaas. Being 17, she maybe confused and don’t know what she wants, U have an opportunity to make difference in her life, U should tell her U love her so much that U want to have future with her and if U commit Sina U could lost all that love and respect for. If she disagrees now, she may perhaps realize it later how right and considerate U were.

OG_Moti, obviously being a male, you have not endure this trauma yourself and not in a position to command on whether it does have psychological impact on people or not. We are talking about someone who went under a major surgery and most cases without any type of anesthesia on their most private parts and don't tell me that would have no mental effects on the child life, even if as the physical pain might fates a go away.

I read this article, I thought it is very interesting and decided to share W/ U guys. I love to see your reactions to this: Burka Vs Bikini - The Debauchery Of American Womanhood (27 Sep 2002) On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka. Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but a bikini. One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called "civilizations." The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini. I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the values that the burka represents for me. For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and family. Only they see her. It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere. The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge and support to her husband. In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of the time. In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.) As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to receive her husband's seed. The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason. Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother. This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal dysfunction, and reduce population. (See http://www.inoohr.org/worldpopulationcontrolpromote.htm) In the "brave new world," women are not supposed to be nest makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation. At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for sexuality in America? Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates: creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the replacement for marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed. We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of perpetual courtship. This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate. Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority. Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam. I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails. The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle.

It is unnecessary vicious torture of female children, which has no base in religion or any morally right commandment. It leaves psychological scars on the victims and which are very hard to over come.

It is indeed, precious information. It is example of how our religion covers all aspects of life and it is very sad to see most of us are ignorant about it and seek info. from wrong places.

thanks Muraad, I couldn't find it here so far some how I guess it isn't as common and not alot of people know about it either. I will keep searching here, thanks again for the offer.

DId any body know where I can get book with the title: Makaaribu-al-Akhlaaq(makaarubu-Al-Akhlaaq) I appreciate your help.