Originally posted by Baashi: ^here we go again . Misinfo continues. I once read somewhere that if u tell a lie long enough and loud enough folks will swallow the crap or even worse will propagate farther! baashe which part of the article are you refering to, wish to ellaborate. Originally posted by Baashi: Keyd was not a general. There was no coup. Keyd was demoted and forced to take orders from a ranking officer with far superior qualification. Blame the Brits as they were not generous enough to educate its subjects. He naturally protested and he was accused of and charged with mutiny. Guess who appointed the new ranking officer in the first place, prosecuted Keyd and found him guilty! This info are readily available but folks like u take this crap at face value...why? crap kulahaa, sxb i have never heard about some one who would ever attempt a coup on behalf of some one else. As for the rest of what you mentioned you are basically offcourse my friend "get agrip on ur self" : Originally posted by Baashi: Get a grip sxb! It ain’t happening and other Somali are not the ones holding SL back. Get many many more in-laws like Drysdale , Iqbal n other opportunistic lobbyist and have them do a better job @ offices that matter . you sound like odey yar oo pissed off ah

Boy..u don't wanna miss this article......go on read it..very interesting. Recognition of Somaliland Versus the legitimacy of Somalia The turmoil that followed the demise of the Somali Republic presented a new challenge to the world community in general; and the African continent in particular. The collapsed Somali state split into two defacto countries along the old colonial boundaries: The Republic of Somaliland and the chaos and strife torn Southern Somalia. Today, the issue is not whether to recognize the republic of Somaliland; it is a question of when to admit this new nation into the global village. The case of Somaliland is based on sound historical and constitutional facts and it is exercising its rights within the boundaries of its own territory in accordance with the protocols of international law. No boundary changes are involved in the case of Somaliland but Somalia that is in pursuit of frivolous claim over a territory it never owned in the first place. However, the dilemma facing the African Union and its predecessor, the Organisation of African Unity, is the issue of international borders. 1- For example, among the principles enshrined in article 4, paragraph “b†of the Constitutive Act of the African Union is the following: “The Union shall function in accordance with the following principles: b- Respect of borders existing on achievement of independence;†2-The charter Of the Organisation of the African Unity also deals with the subject of boundaries on similar general terms. Article III, section three, reads as follows: “Respect for the Sovereignty and Territorial Integrity of each state for its inalienable right to independent existence.†A rigorous scrutiny of the two articles reveals that Somaliland is in fact in full compliance with both articles and if this is a serious matter of contention, it is no more than a technicality at all. This is a nation reverting to the old borders inherited at the time of independence and simultaneously renewing its nationhood. It is also a matter of historical record that on June 26th, 1960, over thirty five nations extended recognition to Somaliland. Among these countries were the united Arab Republic- union of Egypt and Syria, Cuba, Israel, United States of America, the United Kingdom, France, and China. Mr. Christian Herter, the United States Secretary of State at time despatched a congratulatory telegram on the occasion of independence. Also, on the day of independence, the government of Somaliland and the government of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland signed a number of bilateral agreements in Hargeisa, among them: 1- Draft interim agreement between the government of the united kingdom of great Britain and northern Ireland and the government of Somaliland for a united kingdom aid mission; 2- Draft public officer’s agreement between the government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the government of Somaliland. These agreements were signed in Hargeisa, Somaliland on June 26th, 1960 .These bilateral agreements form an integral part of the “report of the Somaliland Protectorate Constitutional Conference held in London in May, 1960.’ The real challenge for the international community and the African Union is to establish the legality of the defunct Somali Republic from the day of the independence of British Somaliland Protectorate and its eventual union with the former United Nations Trusteeship Territory of Somalia. The following is synopsis of the said union from historical and legal perspectives: THE UNION OF 1960 The prelude to unification: On April 6th, 1960, the legislative Assembly of British Somaliland passed declaration of intend of independence by June 26th, 1960 and an eventual unification with the former Italian Trust territory of Somalia on 1st July, 1960. The Italian colony was scheduled for independence on December 2nd, 1960. The government of Somaliland requested the British government to move forward the date of independence of Somalia to July 1st, 1960 and the British government did so through a motion submitted at the United Nations General Assembly. On April 16th, 1960 the National Assembly of Somalia and the Legislative Assembly of Somaliland issued a joint communiqué to the effect that the two territories will unite on July 1st, 1960. The creation of the failed Somali State was based on some unrealistic and fundamentally untenable false assumptions: The dream of the Somali independence movements of the 1940’s, 1950’s, and 1960’s was the ultimate unification of all ethnic Somali communities of East Africa under one jurisdiction by any means necessary. The undercurrent of this noble cause stipulated the creation of a racially and ethnically pure Somali entity comprising of former British Somaliland, French Somaliland( Republic of Djibouti now), the Hararghe region of Eastern Ethiopia, Italian Somaliland, and the Northern Frontier District of Kenya. The unification process: The chronology and the events surrounding the union of Somaliland and Somalia are well documented historical facts. First of all, “The development of the constitution of the Somali Republic†is a legal document written by Dr. Haji N.A Noor Muhammed), a one time advocate of the Supreme Court of India and a member of the Madras Bar Association. Under the Opex programme of the United Nations, the legal expertise and the service of Judge Dr. Haji Noor was provided to the government of the Somali Republic after independence. This magistrate held the position of the Vice-president of the Supreme Court of the Somali Republic and he was an expert on international law. According to Dr. Haji Noor Mohammed: “0n 1 July the legislatures of two newly independent states met at Mogadiscio in Join session and proclaimed the establishment of the Somali Republic. The same day, the president of the legislative assembly of Somalia, Hon. Aden Abdulla Osman, who was elected as the provisional president of the Somali republic, promulgated the constitution, which was originally prepared for Somalia and from that date the provisional constitution came into force throughout the republic.†The apparent flaws of these extrajudicial measures will not survive the initial procedural wrangling in an international court of law because of the following: A: The proclamation of the Somali Republic was an agreement in principle that was never enacted into law; B: The two draft Acts of Union were never reconciled or merged into one piece of legislation for parliamentary debate; C: In a parliamentary democracy, a president cannot promulgate a constitution without first submitting the measure for a national referendum followed by a parliamentary debate on the articles of the constitution. Once all amendments/additions/alterations are completed, then and only then, shall the final bill be submitted for the final signature of the president. The measures and the processes taken by president Aden Abdille Othman Daar were atypical of an annexation of one nation by another. Without the approval and the prior consent of the legislative assembly of Somaliland, he unilaterally signed the constitution of the former Italian colony as the law of the land. He did so with the advice of a team of legal and constitutional experts provided by the Italian government. In the following paragraph, Dr Noor Muhammed highlights the inherent shortcomings of the processes and the procedures adopted in the unification of the two territories of Somaliland and Somalia: “Some doubts where expressed concerning the legal effects of the instruments relating to the union. The act of the Union of Somalia and the Union of Somaliland and Somalia Law where both drafted in [the] form of bilateral agreements, but neither of them was signed by the representative of Somaliland and Somalia. The Somalia Act of Union was approved "in principle" but not enacted into the law.†In the absence of verifiable documentary evidence attesting to a genuine “Act of Union†between Somaliland and Somalia, any agreements “in principle†or any other forms of “bilateral agreements†are subject to cancellation without notice because such instruments do not have any legal weight. This is one of the legal challenges facing the former politicians and the current war lords of Somalia. They have to prove the constitutional legitimacy of the Somali Republic. The sentiments and the euphoria of greater Somalia are dead for good at the present time. The concluding remarks of the legal opinion of Dr. Muhammed are summarized in the following segment: “The decree-law of 1 July 1960 was signed by the provisional president to the deal with some of the legal effects of the union. However, in the absence of conversion into law in accordance with Article 63 of the constitution, this decree-law never came in to force.†The law of July 1st, 1960 is even in direct contradiction to article 63 of the constitution of the former Italian colony, let alone incorporate a single inch of the territory of Somaliland. The proponents of the often ill-defined and sanctified dogma of the political independence, the unity, the territorial integrity, and the sovereignty of the failed Somali state will have no easy task on their hands and they should produce more than these hollow rhetorical slogans. The days of the evangelical preaching and canonisation of the unity Somali Republic are over. There is no such a legal entity called the Somali Republic that ever existed! The next segment is a summary of the reflections of a British Historian, an anthropologist, and an expert on Somali affairs since colonial times. Mr. Drysdale was an advisor to the civilian governments of Somalia prior to the military regime. The opinions of Mr. Drysdale come to the same conclusions reached by Dr. Muhammed in the preceding section. The two briefs are part of the historical and legal aspects of the incorporation of the Somali Republic as of July 1st, 1960. According to Richard Drysdale, the process of unification of the two states was illegal and unconstitutional because of some basic flaws. He also attests to the fact that the legislatures of Somaliland and Somalia have prepared two separate texts as far as the so called “Act of Union†is concerned. He points out some variations in the two texts: “discrepancy between the two texts were such that on June 30th the Somaliland legislature, whilst agreeing in principle to act of union, insisted that the two governments agree to the text of single act of union to be presented for approval of the join legislatures.†The representatives of the government of Somaliland noticed the apparent inconsistencies between the two texts- the Somaliland draft act of union was prepared in English; while the Somalia version was in Italian. Without agreeing on a single text, the provisional president signed the constitution of the former Italian colony into law. With the stroke of the pen of President Abdille Othman Daar, an illegitimate entity called THE SOMALI REPUBLIC came into existence, and the following excerpt from the recollections of Mr. Drysdale elaborates the process: â€At midnight of June 30th Somalia became independent under terms of its own constitution. On July 1st, 1960, the two legislatures met to elect a provisional president of the Somali republic, though no act of union had been signed. The president has immediately signed a decree entitled the “law of union of state of Somaliland and Somalia". It was not promulgated since it had not been passed by the national Assembly.†THE PROCESS FLAWS: The president circumvented the decorum of parliamentary protocol and all norms of procedure in an unwarranted haste. We can surmise from this evidence that the luminaries of Walaweynian Somalia had been conniving to incorporate Somaliland as a new found territory without any legal documentation. The recommendations of the integration commission are a sufficient enough proof that southern Somalis were bargaining in bad faith from the very beginning. The commission recommended a referendum to fix this constitutional nightmare- the challenge was there from day one and without a proper “Act of Unionâ€, the new nation was about to split into two countries. In July of 1961, a single referendum on the constitution was held in Somaliland and Somalia. In the absence of a real “Act of Unionâ€, the country can not be treated as a unitary state. In fact, this exercise was not a plebiscite on the constitution but it was a disguise for “RETRACTIVE ACT OF UNION.†The referendum fell short on both counts. It neither established an Act of Union nor does it create a legal entity called the Somali Republic. Retroactive in this case presents a surfeit of negative connotations. For one thing, in a parliamentary democracy, it is a repressive piece of legislation enacted to close or cover up a legal or constitutional loophole. Such extra judicial measures are contrary to the spirit and the essence of the principles and practices of contemporary democracy. If and when this issue is submitted to the scrutiny of an international panel of jurists, then and only then, shall the validity of the act under such law examined. The analysis and the onus are on the purpose and the intended effect of the act itself on the future of the collapsed Somali state. In deed this was a very regressive law designed to have such sweeping powers so as to take effect at a certain point in the past [ July 1st, 1960 in this case]. In other words, the Somali government of that era resorted to such questionable tactics in 1961. The constitution submitted for public approval was entirely that of the former Italian colony. The only exception was the last article dealing with pay scales and pensions because on a comparative basis, the Somaliland civil services pay and pensions were superior to that of Somalia. The referendum process was fraudulent from beginning to end and here are the reasons according to Mr. Drysdale: â€A consultative commission for integration was then appointed and its finds were subject to a referendum held in July 1961. The Somali national league, the principal party of the north, campaigned against the ratification of the constitution. Percentage votes against were: - Hargeisa (72%), Berber (69%), Burro (66%) and Erigavo (69%). The total number of votes cast in Somalia as whole was said to be 1, 952,660 out of which 100,000 votes were said to have been recorded in the North. The new constitution was promulgated, but not before a dramatic military coup d’etat in the North had unsuccessfully attempted to restore sovereignty Somaliland. The senior officers were brought to trial in Mogadishu before a British judge on charges of treason. He acquitted the officers because the had no jurisdiction over Somaliland. There had been no act of union between the two states.†The coup of December 10th, 1961: On December 10th, 1961, The Somaliland Scouts Regiment (Commissioned Military Officers) attempted a coup d’etat to reclaim the independence of their Country. However, the attempt failed and the officers were court-martial at a special tribunal set up in Mogadiscio, Somalia. The charge against the officers was high treason. The Somali government assembled an impressive team of criminal and constitutional lawyers. The prosecution team was headed by Mr. Continni, a constitutional advisor and legal counsel to president of the Somali Republic, Aden Abdille Othman. The Somali government also hired the services of Mr. Robert Shaw, a British constitutional lawyer, and a former magistrate of Somaliland Supreme Court to act as the presiding magistrate for the occasion. The defendant’s families hired, at their own expense, an equally qualified team of defence lawyers headed by an Indian constitutional expert called Mr Manjit Singh. The final verdict of the British magistrate set a legal precedent that shocked the politicians of that era. This judgement put the hoax of a unitary Somali state into its final resting place forever. The final ruling was as follows: “In the administration of the criminal justice on matters of high treason, the oath of allegiance is paramount in the case of military officers, which ascertains the citizenship of the accused. As of today, the constitution of the Somali republic has no jurisdictional validity beyond the boundaries of the former Italian colony :eek: . Without first establishing a proper legal entity incorporating a union of the two former colonies, the current constitution of the Somali republic is not applicable to any citizen of the former British colony. On the matter of the documents or instruments presented to the court, the Indian penal code in fact carries the death penalty. However, it is only valid within the territory of the former British colony. It is not part of the criminal justice system of the Somali republic. The accused never made an oath of allegiance to a nation called Somali republic. Therefore, they are not citizens of the Somali republic :eek: . Consequently, they are cleared of all criminal charges- including that of high treason.†The presiding judge ordered the immediate release of the accused without any further delays. The unitary Somali state ceased to exist at the exact moment. The Somali government ordered the British magistrate to leave the country within twelve hours. (Also immediately all ties with the common wealth has ended by the Somali government) The significance of the court verdict The significance of this forty-five year old ruling has a direct bearing on today’s Somali conflict. This judgment is very crucial and at the same time constitutes an integral part that should not be over looked by any crisis management or conflict resolution think tank dealing with the Somali quagmire. This historic case established the following: * That the Unitary Somali State has no sound legal and constitutional foundation. * That the accused officers were not even citizens of the accusing state. * That documents (-the constitution of the Somali republic, the Indian penal code) used in the case was not an integral part of the criminal justice system of the Somali republic. * That court martial established the unconstitutionality of the union act of 1960 on legal and procedural grounds. * And the most important aspect of this historic ruling is that it clearly established the Jurisdictional reach and the validity of the constitution used in the trial. The historic journey of the Somali Republic ended where it began. The rest of the story is: who is a citizen of the defunct Somali Republic? Thank you and God bless the Nation of Somaliland. Ahmed Ali Ibrahim[sabeyse] Scarborough, Ontario. Canada. asabeyse@hotmail.com May 30th, 2005 Notes: 1. The Charter of the Organisation of African Unity, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, May 25th, 1963. 2. The Constitutive Act of the African Union, July 9th, 2002. 3. Somaliland Protectorate Constitutional Conference, London, May, 1960. 4. Summary: Submission on Statehood and Recognition of Republic of Somaliland [Anonymous]. 5. The development of the Constitution of the Somali Republic, Dr. Haji N.A. Noor Muhammed. 6. Somaliland 1991-Report By John Drysdale, Global-Stats 1991. P.S. It was Gen. Abdi keyd who attempted the coup and ironically enough his cousin (abwaan:ali sugule) was the one who at the same time wrote the famous song “nin lagu seexdow ha seexan, waligaa soo jeedoo ha seexanâ€, a situation which fits the Somali adage “Gudinyahey hadaan badhkey kugu jirin imaad goyseenâ€.

^^ Good one guys, inkastoonan aad u fahmin ninka boorsada cuney... :confused: Teydiina wa tan here we go... Baribaa nin reerxamar ah ayaa usoo guurey waqooyiga. markaasuu maalin maalmaha ka mid ah tagey tukaan isagoo doonaya inuu xalwad (xalwad la cuno) iibsado, hadaba ninka tukaanka hayana xaaskiisaa ayaa Xalwo layidhaa, aduu sheekadii sidan ayey u dhacdey: customer: saxibow xalwo ma qabtaa (inuu iibsado ayuu rabaa) shop keeper: haaye!!, ninyow maxaa adiga ku barey xalwo? customer: xalwo waa lawada yaqaan nooh. Shop keeper: waaryadhaheen waar bal ibtiladan eega, maxaad tidhi..waa lawad yaqaana ya? Customer: wax kale ma u jeedee, Xalwo xamar aa ku dhuuqdhuuqi jirey nooh. ninkii tukaanka lahaa cadho ayuu bastii noqdey oo ninkii budh buu ku eryadey........isagoo leh....." alla wuxu muxuu dhintey!!..wasakh fooqal wassakh".

Indeed its words that s/times corrupt the mind... here is another twisted humour This guy is stranded on a desert island, all alone for ten years. One day, he sees a speck in the horizon. He thinks to himself, "It's not a ship." The speck gets a little closer and he thinks, "It's not a boat." The speck gets even closer and he thinks, "It's not a raft." Then, out of the surf comes this gorgeous woman, wearing a wet suit and scuba gear. She comes up to the guy and says, "How long has it been since you've had a cigarette?" "Ten years!" he says. She reaches over and unzips a waterproof pocket on her left sleeve and pulls out a pack of fresh cigarettes. He takes one, lights it, takes a long drag, and says, "Man, oh man! Is that good!" Then she asked, "How long has it been since you've had a drink of whiskey?" He replies, "Ten years!" She reaches over, unzips her waterproof pocket on her right sleeve, pulls out a flask and gives it to him. He takes a long swig and says, "Wow, that's fantastic!" Then she starts unzipping this long zipper that runs down the front of her wet suit and she says to him, "And how long has it been since you've had some REAL fun?" . . . . . . . . . . . . . And the man replies with a big smile, "My God! Don't tell me that you've got golf clubs in there!" *very innocent dude..eh*

Briton's Widow Seeks Arrest Of Somali President Guardian — London, UK — 27 May, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Duncan Campbell Friday May 27, 2005 The Guardian The widow of a man allegedly killed by members of the militia of Somalia's president is attempting to have him arrested for murder during his visit to London for medical treatment. Zahra Abdullah has won a civil action for damages from President Abdullahi Yusuf for her husband's death in the high court and she is urging Britain to detain him as it did the former president of Chile, Augusto Pinochet. Mr Yusuf, 70, a warlord, is recognised by Britain as the head of the transitional government of Somalia in exile. He is in Britain for medical treatment following a liver transplant. The president has been accused in connection with the murder of Sultan Ahmed Mohamud Mohamed, a British citizen, who was killed in the village of Kalabeyr in Somalia in August 2002. He was a political leader who had returned from exile in London and was hoping to resettle in his country, his widow told the Guardian. He had been critical of Mr Yusuf. According to evidence given earlier this year in a high court civil action, the murdered man had driven past a convoy led by Mr Yusuf and had been spotted. Two vehicles peeled off from Mr Yusuf's convoy, and their armed occupants tracked down Sultan Ahmed and shot him dead. Such deaths are not uncommon in Somalia and would not normally be investigated, but because Mr Yusuf was a frequent visitor to Britain, Sultan Ahmed's widow decided to pursue the case here. Ms Abdullah lives with her four children in west London, where she works as an interpreter. She married her husband in 1986 in Nairobi. Both were granted refugee status in Britain and later citizenship. He studied accountancy and business in London but was unable to obtain regular employment here. For this reason, she said, he returned to Somalia, which has been in political turmoil for the past 14 years. With the support of some people in the Somali community in London she brought a civil action against the president, accusing him of being responsible for the death of her husband and seeking damages. Mr Yusuf, through his British lawyers, entered a written defence to the action. In it he denied direct or indirect involvement in the killing. He said the action was "politically motivated", the murder would be investigated in Somalia and "blood money" would be paid. But the court did not accept that there was any redress possible in Somalia in its current state. The court referred to evidence that Mr Yusuf had met challenges to his presidential claims "with lethal force" and noted that "his supporters are reported to have carried out retaliations, including executions, against his opponents". Last month judgment was given against Mr Yusuf on the grounds that he had failed to comply with a court order to produce documentation for his defence, and so there was no full trial. He was ordered to pay £10,000 "bereavement damages" to Ms Abdullah. The judgment found "the evidence does not show that the defendant was personally responsible for the killing of the deceased but it appears that the killing was carried out by those acting under his authority and under his command". Mr Yusuf has paid £30,000 in damages and costs. Now Zahra Abdullah wants him to face criminal charges and her lawyer, Michael Hanley, has sent a dossier on the case to Scotland Yard. "All I want is some justice for my husband," she said at her home in White City. "The men who killed my husband were Abdullahi Yusuf's troops, under his command. My husband was unarmed and had no bodyguards - he was a civilian. "It is three years since he was killed and there has been nothing. I think that he thought that by paying the money in the court case that would be an end of it but we want to see him detained so that he cannot go back to Somalia." She said that she believed the case of General Pinochet, who was detained in Britain pending extradition proceedings because of crimes committed in Chile, set a precedent for the UK to act. "Britain has a wonderful opportunity to help the peace process in a constructive way by prosecuting warlords," Mr Hanley said yesterday. There was no response from Mr Yusuf to messages left for him at the contact numbers given on his behalf to the Guardian or via his legal representatives. The Cromwell hospital, in west London, where he was described as having treatment, said no one of that name was registered with it. The Met's serious crime group has examined the case. The detective superintendent handling the inquiry told Mr Hanley that there were immense difficulties in any case in a war zone where there were problems finding impartial witnesses

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Baaq: Dhibta Haysata Beesha Gabooyuhu Waa Maxay? Maxaase Inagu Waajib ah? Maxamed Caabi (Saaqa)(former w/galbeed football star) Gudoomiyaha Beesha Gabooye ee Qaarada Yurub iyo Waqooyiga Ameerika London, UK abby@london.com Iyada oo laga warqabo in boqolaal sanadood ay soo jiitamaysay dhibaatada Cunsuriyada, Yasida iyo Kala Sarraynta ah ee haysatay beesha Gabooye oo ay gaadheen heer ay isu qaateen in ay yihiin “HANDICAP†amba qof kala dhiman waxaanay ku nool yihiin guud ahaan geeska Afrika, isla markaasana ay beeshaasi tahay beel ay hadheeyeen dib u dhac dhaqaale, waxbarsho iyo bulsho oo ay sababtay jahliga foosha xun ee dadkaas ay Soomaalidu kula kacday deegaan kasta oo ay ku nool yihiin sida dalalka Somaliland, Jabuuti, Soomaaliya, Kiiniya iyo Itoobiyaba. Hadaba maanta waxaynu halkan ku xusi doonaa diiradana ku saari doonaa dhibaatooyinka lasoo dersay sanadahan u danbeeyay Beelaha Gabooye ee ku nool Somaliland iyo baahida loo qabo in si degdeg ah oo wadaniyad iyo Islaamnimo ay ku jirto aan wax uga qabano. Iyada oo aynaan xaashiyo yar kusoo koobi karin dhibaatada culus ee beeshaas haysata hadana bal aynu yara tilmaano qodobadan kooban ee argagaxa leh ee sanadahan u danbeeyay lasoo dersay beeshan Gabooye ee reer Somaliland. 1. Dhibaatooyinka Dilalka ah ee Beesha Soo Gaadhay A. Marxuum Qorane Qodax Digaale; Waxaa sanadkii 2001 lagu eedeeyay inuu dilay fanaankii Axmed Gacayte oo sanadkii 1988kii Hargeysa ku dhintay, waxaa markaas lagu sameeyay jirdil aad u foolxun, waxaana la horkeenay maxkamad, hadaba markii ay maxkamadu baadhay kiiska Marxuum Qorane lagu eedeeyay, maxkamada gobolka ee Hargeysa waxay caddaysay inaanuu ninkaas Qorane shaqo ku lahayn dilkii Marxuum Axmed Gacayte, hase yeeshee Maxkamadu waxay go'aamisay in Qorane Jeelka Hargeysa lagu hayo si aan suuqa loogu dhex dilin, Waxaana Qorane uu ku dhex dhintay Jeelka Hargeysa jirdilkii loo geysatay awgeed, eheladii uu Qorane ka geeriyooday ilaa maanta wax magdhow ah iyo raali galin toona kamay helin Dawlada somaliland. 2. Ina Xuseen Cayuun: Sanadkii 2001 Waxaa uu guursaday gabadh ay is jeclaadeen oo u dhaltay beel ka mid ah beelaha Somaliland ugu waaweyn, nasiib darro habeenkii arooskiisa ayaa Ciidan ka tirsan Boliska Somaliland ay madashii aroosku ka socday ay rasaas Ooda kaga qaadeen, halkaasna waxaa ku dhaawacmay Saddex Dumar ah. 3. Axmed Maxamed Cabdilaahi (guray dayaxle). Waxaa lagu eedeeyay inuu xaday ilmo yar, waxaana xabsiga loo taxaabay isaga iyo ilaa labaataneeyo qof oo Beesha gabooye ah lagu tuhmay inay ilamaha lawaayay xadeen, muddo iyaga oo xidhan ayaa ilmihii yaraa laga helay xaafad ay lahayd qof u dhalatay beel ka mid ah beelaha ugu waaweyn Somaliland, ilmihii yaraana waxaa gurigiisa la geeyay wasiirka Arrimaha Gudaha Somaliland Mudane Ismaaciil Aadan Cismaan. Taasina waxaa ku beenowday eedii iyo magac xumadii loo geysaty beesha gabooye ee lagu eedeeyay inay carruurta xadaan. Ilaa iminka wax xaal ah iyo Raali galin toona lama siin dadkaas sida khaladka ah loo xidhay. 4. Gabadh Uur leh oo lagu dilay Xaafada Iftin (cakaara) oo ku taala Magaalada Hargeysa, iyada oo xilli habeenimo ah rasaas lagu furay, oo ay halkaas ku dhimatay walaalkeedna lagu dhaawacay, inkastoo beesha uu ka dhashay Dhagarqabaha gabadha dilay iyo beesha gabadhu ay ka dhalatay ay ka heshiiyeen dilkan, arrintana la dhameeyay. 5. Nin Dhalinyaro ah oo Beesha Gabooye u dhashay oo isaga oo la googooyay inta bac lagu soo riday laga helay agagaarka gurigooda, inkasta oo aan cidna lagu eedeynayn dilkan, hadana Boliska Somaliland wax xil ah iskamay saarin ilaa iminka kumay guulaysan inay baadhis rasmi ah ku sameeyaan cidii dilkaas geysatay si cadaalada loo hor keeno. 6. Marxuum Khadar Aadan Cismaan Dhabbar: ayaa ahaa dilkii u danbeeyay ee qof beesha gabooye ah lagula kaco, waxaana uu Marxuum Khadar dhawaan ka soo guuray dalka Kuwayt si uu ugu noolaado dalkiisa hooyo, nasiib darro waxaa gacan ku dhiigle ka tirsan askarta boliska Somaliland xabad ku dhuftay si kibir ku jiro inkastoo la sheegay in lasoo xidhay danbiilahaas, waxaana dawlada ku waajiba inay sharciga dhaqso u hor keento, oo dil lagu xukumo sida uu dhigayu xeerka u yaala Somaliland oo ah qofkii qof dila in loo dilo. 2. Dhibaatooyinka Dhinaca Dhaqaalaha ah : Beeshan oo ay sanado badan haysateen dhibaatooyin dhaqaale hadana waxaa dhibaatadaasi ay kasii dartay markii 25 Dukaan oo ku yaalay badhtamaha suuqa Shiraaqle ee loo yaqaanay suuqa "hindhisada". Dukaamadaas oo Dawladii Ingiriisku uu u dhisay, isla markaasna ay ka ceeshi jireen boqolal qoys oo beesha ahi, waxaa sanadkii 1996 cagta mariyay oo burburiyay Eng. Maxamed Xaashi oo waagaas ahaa Mayorka Hargeysa, waxaana uu halkaas ka dhisay dhismayaal cusub oo suuq ah, nasiib darro dhismayaashii cusbaa waxaa qaatay oo la siiyay dad kale, xataa makhsin ama qol kaliya lama siinin dadkii gabooyaha ahaa ee dhulka lahaa ee tukaamadoodii la burburiyay. Waxaa beeshani ay gabi ahaanba ka maqan yihiin goobaha shaqada ee wasaaradaha dawlada, hay'adaha samafalka, iyo xataa shirkadaha waaweyn ee gaarka loo leeyahay. Waxaana gabi ahaanba ay ka hadheen xagii ganacsiga iyo tartanka suuqa xorta ah taasoo ay sababatay culayska nafsaaniga ah ee beeshan saarnaa boqolaalkii sanadood ee u danbeeyay. Dib u Dhaca Dhinaca Waxbarashada Iyada oo Waxbarashada Dawliga ah ee Somaliland ay u furan tahay muwaadin kasta oo reer Somaliland qoladuu doono ha u dhashee, hase yeeshee waxaa qof kasta oo Somalilander ahi uu qirayaa in cunsuriyad xooggani ay markiiba ka hortimaada Ardayga beesha gabooye u dhashay, waxaana ardayda ka dhaltay beelaha waaweyni ay ardayga gabooyaha ah ku eegaan il gaar ah oo shaki leh, waxaana taasi ay keentaa in inta badan carruurta beelaha Gabooye ay iskuulada ka tagaan iyaga oo aan dhamaystirin waxbarashadooda, taasina ay ku kalifto inay suuqa galaan oo ay xoogsi bilaabaan iyaga oo wali ku jira da'adii loogu talo galay inay waxbartaan. Hadaba Maxaa Xal Ah? Maxaase Inagu Waajib ah Dadweyne iyo Dawlad Ahaanba Si aan Usoo Afjarno Dulmigan haysta Beelahan Gabooye ee Walaalaheen ah? 1. Dhinaca Dawlada Somaliland: Iyada oo Madaxweynaha Somaliland uu yahay Madaxweynihii u Horreeyay ee Somaliland soo mara oo markii ugu horreeysay golahiisa wasiirrada ku soo daray Xubin u dhashay beelaha Gabooye, hadana waxaan shaki ku jirin in Beesha Gabooye ay xaq u leedahay inay hesho kaalin ka balaadhan shakhsi kaliya, waxaana Madaxweynaha Somaliland ku waajib ah inuu ku amrro Wasaaradaha dawlada ee kala duwan inay shaqo galiyaan dadka laga tirada badan yahay, sidoo kalana uu ugu yaraan xubin kale oo beesha u dhalatay uu ku kordhiyo golaha wasiirrada isla markaasna uu dhiso Xarun Madax banaan oo hoos timaada Madaxtooyada oo ka shaqaysa ilaalisa xuquuqda dadka laga tirada badan yahay iyo hurumarintooda. 2. Wasaarada Waxbarshada: Wasiirka Waxbarshada Somaliland Mudane Xasan Gadhweyne oo kaalin heer sare ah ka qaatay horumarinna waxbarshada dalka, isla markaasna si wadaniyadi ku jirto u habeeyay una casriyeeyay waxbarshada dalka tan iyo intii wasaaradaas xilkeeda loo dhiibay, waxaan ugu baaqayaa inuu Dugsiyo Cusub ka dhiso deegaanada beesha gaar ahaan Xaafada Daami, isla markaasna waxaa lagama maarman ah in ardayda dugsiyada dalka la siiyo casharro ku saabsan sinaanta muwaadiniinta iyo la dagaalanla hayb sooca, waxaa kale oo Mudane Gadhweyne aan ku dhiirri galin lahaa inuu hay'adaha waxbarshada caawiya uu ka codsado inay ka qayb qaataan kor u qaadista dhinaca waxbarshada ee carruurta iyo bulshada Gabooye. Wasaarada Cadaalada, Arrimaha Gudaha, Taliska Boliska Masuuliyiinta wasaaradahan aan kor ku xusnay waxaa ku waajiba inay baadhitaan ku sameeyaan dilalkan soo noqon-noqonaya ee lagu hayo beelahan gabooye ee muwaadiniinta ah, waxaana ku waajib ah oo looga fadhiyaa inay dadweynaha usoo bandhigaan cadaaladana hor keenaan kuwa dhibta u geystay muwaadiniintan reer Somaliland. Laamaha Warbaahinta Dawlada iyo Kuwa Madaxa Banaan ee Somaliland Waxaan ugu baaqayaa inay gutaan waajibaadka ka saaran wacyi galinta bulshada, isla markaasna ay bulshada ku wacyi galiyaan inay soo afjaraan dulmigan boqolaalka sanadood lagu hayay beelahan, sidoo kalana saxaafada waxaa ku waajiba inay soo bandhigaan oo fadeexeeyaan cidii fulisa danbiyo la xadhiidha hayb sooca iyo kala sarrayntan dulmiga ku dhisan. Ugu danbayn dadweynaha reer Somaliland meel kasta oo ay joogaan waxaa ku waajiba inay fadhiga ka kacaan una hawl galaan dulmigan haysta dadkan walaalahood ee muwaadiniinta ah, waxaana lagama maarmaan in maanka lagu hayo in Ilaahay agtiisa lagu ciqaabi doono qof kasta oo qof walaalkiis ah iska sarreeysiiya ama ku dulma magac qabiil. Horumarka dalkeenuna waxa uu ku jiraa iyada oo aynu ummad ahaan gacmaha is qabsano. Maxamed Caabi (Saaqa) Gudoomiyaha Beesha Gabooye ee Qaarada Yurub iyo Waqooyiga Ameerika London, UK abby@london.com Kaysar Cabdilaahi Tafatiraha Wargeyska The Somali Voice Bristol, UK kaysar@europe.com somalivoice@europe.com

A part of this article describes briefly the British colonial negligence of Somaliland in terms of the main infrastructures such as railroads, power stations, agricultural development projects and the lack of any serious attempts on water development or minerals exploration. It also sheds light on the grave historical mistakes committed by SomaliLanders themselves by uniting with the south at a time when people were blinded by unity and misplaced patriotism. Its a very well written article probably by Bashir Goth the owner of the ANN website....so enjoy it. AWDAL NEWS EDITORIAL Correcting mutual historical mistakes The people of Somaliland lived under the Union Jack for 84 years from 1884 to 1960. If the British administration did its part correctly during these long years, Somaliland might have been a little more careful with its destiny and not have committed the historical mistake of rushing into the infamous union with the Italian South. However with the historical mistakes committed by the British colonial administration, Somaliland was destined to complete the circle and commit its own. Now, with Somaliland rectifying its own mistakes and trying to reclaim its lost sovereignty and its place among the world community, the British government has a moral obligation to also revisit its past and show its willingness to right it wrongs to Somalilanders. To start with the British follies, which could all be described as dereliction of duty more than anything else, one would notice that when the British finally left Somaliland on June 26, 1960, they left us with nothing tangible to show for their long stay. In a quick comparison with other African countries which have been colonized by the British in the same period, one could see that the British left us with no colleges such as Makerere College in Uganda (1949), Kings College, Ibadan College in Nigeria (1948), Achimoto College in Ghana (1924), Khartoum University College in Sudan (1951) and the Royal Technical College in Kenya (1956). Somaliland was left with no railroads, no tarmac roads, no power stations, no agricultural development projects and no serious attempts on water development or minerals exploration such as petroleum and gems of which Somaliland is now proven to possess with commercial and sustainable quantities. The capital Hargeisa was no rival to metropolitans like Nairobi, Kampala, Daresalam, Lusaka, Accra, Lagos and others. The only sign of nationhood that the British administration left behind was the port of Berbera which was almost primitive compared to its relatively advanced neighboring ports of Djibouti and Aden. The British administration had even overlooked the introduction of cash crops to give the country a means of subsistence and economic sustainability in the future just as it did in other parts of Africa where it introduced cash crops like cocoa, coffee, tea and etc. Although the main objective of the British colonization of Somaliland was to use it as a source of meat supplies for its garrison in neighboring barren Aden, the British have neglected to develop the export of Somaliland’s only hard currency earner- the livestock. One or two meat processing factories, few hygienic and modern slaughter houses and one or two veterinary schools and research laboratories would have turned Somaliland into the meat house of its traditional markets in Arabia including Aden at the time. It is even astounding how the British, famous for their love of sunny beaches around the world, passed up the opportunity to build recreational resorts on the long shores of Somaliland, let alone erect fish factories and exploit the many varieties of Somaliland’s high quality fish. Despite all this, it is remarkable to note how the Somaliland people relish recalling the good old days of the British rule and talk highly of the few good things they gave to them. These include a good and incorruptible civil administration, a fair judicial system, a few good boarding schools, a small but well trained and well disciplined military and police force, some scholarships, several civil centers in major towns, British style suburban bungalows, the Hargeisa club, which is still intact and functioning, and top of all an inimitable suffix in the name of our country - SomaliLAND. Somaliland for its part has committed grave historical mistakes against itself including allowing the Mad Mulla, an alien Jihadist and a tyrant of modern style Talibanist with a slant of Wahhabism in his doctrine to exhaust the British colonial government’s resources in more than 20 years of an internecine and unwarranted religious war. Mohammed Abdullah Hassan’s Dervish War cost considerable loss of life and wealth to Somalilanders but also distracted the British from developing the infrastructure of the country and improving people’s life. It also prompted the British to brand Somalianders as the Irish of Africa, thus distorting their image and portraying them as a bunch of violent and marauding nomadic tribes in an inhospitable land and brute culture. Rejecting the British advice to delay their independence for a decade to enable them catch up with the South in infrastructural development was also another miscalculation on the side of Somaliland. Their thoughtless argument was that what the British could do in ten years that they couldn't do in 84 years. The British foresaw the disadvantaged position that Somaliland would be in uniting with the Italian South that was not only more populous but was completely different from the north on cultural, political and economic aspects. They tried to forewarn the Somalilanders that they would lose their cultural particularity, their good civil administration and eventually their whole identity if they made a union with the South. With Somaliland masses driven by patriotism and many of the northern politicians mesmerized by the cosmopolitan Italian life-style in Mogadishu with its night clubs, liberal culture, tarmac roads, abundant tropical fruits and cinema houses, it was almost next to impossible to stop the Northerners’ tryst with the union. Even the last salvo of the British to save the Somalilanders by advising them to increase the number of their parliament and ask for a power sharing system of government with the South fell on deaf ears. Likewise, Mohammed Ibrahim Egal’s pleas to the Somalilanders for giving themselves a breathing space before they joined the South was repudiated while Michael Mariano’s NUF party with its visionary call for postponing independence was seen as an act of betrayal. The Northerners’ outright condemnation of their military elites who made an attempted coup in 1961 to reclaim the lost sovereignty of Somaliland had put the final nail on any hopes for independence and even somehow trivialized the northern people’s absolute NO to the referendum of the country’s first constitution. The Italian South-dominated Somali Republic finally cut Somaliland’s umbilical cord with its colonial past, when it severed ties with the British government on the cause of the NFD Somalis in Kenya, thus depriving Somaliland the benefit of getting 150 scholarships a year from Common Wealth countries. It took the Somalilanders 30 lean years of destruction, desolation, isolation, massacres and mass migration to regain their independence from the mouth of a LION as the Somali adage says. The Somaliland President’s visit to the UK in March 2004 is thus a good opportunity for the two sides, the British government and the Somaliland people, to correct their mutual historical mistakes and embrace each other in harmony and forgiveness. It is time that Somaliland has to come back to its place among the Common Wealth nations and reclaim its common history and culture with the English speaking peoples of the world. It is also time for the British government to bring Somaliland from the cold and welcome it to the warm affection of the British crown.

First Women-Only Mosque Opens in Amsterdam Controversial Egyptian feminist Saadawi inaugurated the mosque. By Nasreddine Djebbi, IOL Correspondent THE HAGUE, March 20, 2005 (IslamOnline.net) – A number of Dutch Muslim women opened Saturday, March 19, a women-only mosque in the metropolitan city of Amsterdam. Inaugurated by controversial Egyptian feminist writer Nawal El-Saadawi, the mosque is a part of a project carried out by the De Balie cultural center and the cultural development institute of the Forum organization, both financially backed by the government. The mosque is run by women from A to Z, with a woman leading the prayer and another raising the Adhan (call to prayer). The traditional curtains separating male and female worshipers in mosques disappeared from the novel mosque. Men were conspicuous by their absence though a few of them attended the inauguration ceremony out of curiosity and sat at the back. The project sponsors argue that it is a milestone as it will meet the “spiritual needs of Muslim women†and serve as a meeting point for “isolated†women away from male dominance. Saadawi took the podium, preaching against what she called the “oppression†of Muslim women and urging women to “resist†for equal rights with men. Saadawi faced an apostasy case in 2001 before an Egyptian court after she had been quoted by Egyptian newspapers as saying that hajj, which is one of the five pillars of Islam, was “a vestige of a pagan practice†and that Islamic inheritance law should be abolished. A spokeswoman for the De Balie center, who requested anonymity, told IslamOnline.net that Saadawi has been selected because “she set herself up as a paradigm for women liberalization and their struggle to lift the oppression.†She, however, said that the mosque has nothing to do with the woman-led mixed-gender Friday prayer in New York City on March 18. IOL correspondents says the project fits within the government’s tendency to boost what it sees as “liberal†Muslims against “extremistsâ€. Diverting Attention Ahmad Al-Rawi, the chairman of the Union of Islamic Organizations in Europe (UIOE), said things like the woman-led prayers and the new women-only mosque are western attempts to distract Muslims’ attention from pressing issues facing them in the West. “Muslims [in the West] should rather be preoccupied with educating the young generations about their religion and protecting them from moral aberration,†he told IOL. Rawi underlined that Muslim women in Europe are in no way inferior to their male partners. “They [women] play a leading role in our organization and face no discrimination whatsoever,†he added. Marzouk Abdullah, professor of Shari`ah in the Islamic European University in the Netherlands, urged Muslim women in Europe to display good intentions, cautioning them against committing wrongdoing unabashedly. “We can never deny them their right to form an assembly to raise the awareness of the rights and responsibilities of women under Islam, if they are really for that,†he told IOL. It is a sort of cliché to say that women are oppressed under Islam, but it is a fact to say that immigrant women in the country - particularly Muslims - are being discriminated against, Dutch Muslim female lawyer Famille Arslan told IOL on Monday, March 14. She said that Muslim women in the Netherlands take the brunt of religious discrimination and racial profiling in the labor market because of their attire and names. Muslims make up one million of the Netherlands’s 16 million population. Turks represent 80 percent of the Muslim minority. There are some 450 mosques in the Netherlands, 1,000 Islamic cultural centers, two Islamic universities and 42 preparatory schools, according to recent estimates. Press reports have underlined that Dutch Muslims were subjected to religious discrimination and racist attacks on their places of worship in 2004. http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2005-03/20/article05.shtml Narrated AbuTha'labah Jurthum ibn Nashir: The Prophet (saw) said: Allah , the Exalted, has laid down certain obligations which do not neglect, and has set certain limits which do not transgress, and has forbidden certain things which do not commit, and has kept silent about other things out of mercy for you and not out of forgetfulness. So do not seek to discover them. Transmitted by Daraqutni. Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted something similar from Salman al-Farsi

Good luck to all of you, such a brilliant lot. As for me, in 4 months time inshalaah I shall be starting a Chemical engineering course……(MEng)……….inshalaah *By the way it was a good day to be an arsenal fan 2day*

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL URGENT ACTION APPEAL Up to 100 demonstrators from the Gaboye minority group Killed: Khadar Osman Dhabar (m), late 20s, married with 3 children ------- Following a peaceful protest up to a hundred demonstrators from the Gaboye minority group are held incommunicado without charge, either in Hargeisa central prison in the capital of Somaliland or in unauthorised and secret police Criminal Investigation Department (CID) detention centres where they are at risk of torture. They had been protesting at the shooting of Khadar Osman Dhabar by a police officer. On 13 May, Khadar Osman Dhabar died in Hargeisa hospital of numerous bullet wounds after being shot on the night of 11 May in the street by a police officer. Details of the incident are still unclear but it seems that the shooting incident occurred when two police officers approached Khadar Osman Dhabar and his two friends in the Hawl Wadag area of Hargeisa. One of the police shot him, knowing the three were members of the discriminated Gaboye minority, against whom human rights abuses are frequently perpetrated with impunity. Later on the 13 May, in an unprecedented and peaceful protest, a large crowd of Gaboye and sympathisers went to the central police station and president’s office. They were calling for justice following Khadar Osman Dhabar's death and for their human rights to be respected. They were confronted by armed police who used live ammunition against the non-violent demonstrators, mostly shooting in the air and without causing any fatalities. However, they did beat and arrest several hundred demonstrators, including children and women. Many have now been released. Other Gaboye were later arrested in police raids on Dami village on the outskirts of Hargeisa, where most live in harsh conditions. Many have fled or are in hiding, wanted by the police for alleged involvement in the demonstration, criticising the government and calling for protection of the human rights of the Gaboye minority. Amnesty International considers the detained demonstrators and others arrested later to be prisoners of conscience who are imprisoned on account of their peaceful opinions and defence of the human rights of the Gaboye minority. BACKGROUND INFORMATION Gaboye is the collective name in Somaliland for different occupational minority groups (Musa Dariyo, Tumal, Madiban and Yibir) who number some tens of thousands of people and suffer severe discrimination in this nomadic pastoralist-based society. They are also found in Somalia. They experience exclusion on account of their occupations as hairdressers, metal-workers and blacksmiths, leather-workers and shoemakers, herbalists and ritual specialists – services they traditionally perform for the “noble†Somali pastoralist clans. They are customarily not permitted to inter-marry with the pastoralist clans and thus have no clan protection in the form of vengeance or compensation for murder or other crimes. They equally have little or no protection in the state system of administration of justice, which is controlled by clan members, and in practice have little or no access to education or other economic and social rights. Although attitudes to minorities are improving, with two seats reserved for minorities in parliament, and several Somaliland human rights organizations working with minority associations to defend their rights, the minorities benefit little from the human rights guarantees in the Somaliland Constitution and laws. Cases of arbitrary detention, kidnapping, rape, torture and killing of Gaboye with impunity are still reported in Somaliland as well as Somalia. The self-declared Republic of Somaliland which is not internationally recognized, was established in 1991 after the overthrow of the Siad Barre government of Somalia. The north-western regions broke away to form Somaliland within the borders of the former British Somaliland Protectorate. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Please send appeals to arrive as quickly as possible, in English or your own language: 1) calling for an impartial inquiry into the killing of Khadar Osman Dhabar and for the police officer responsible to be brought to justice if the killing is found to be unlawful; 2) appealing for the immediate and unconditional release of the detained Gaboye demonstrators and others arrested later, for guarantees of their safety and that they are not being subjected to torture or ill-treatment; 3) appealing for the detainees to be allowed immediate contact with their families, legal representatives, medical doctors if needed, and representatives of humanitarian organizations; 4) urging the government to establish an independent inquiry to investigate arbitrary violence and discrimination against the minorities, and ensure that members of minorities have access to justice and equal treatment before the law, in accordance with the UN Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities. APPEALS TO: There is no postal service to Somaliland and fax messages may be difficult. Copies of letters can be sent to the only diplomatic missions (not recognised) in UK, USA and Italy asking for them to be forwarded. Where possible please send appeals by email. President His Excellency President Dahir Riyaale Kahin Fax: +252 213 8324 or +252 252 3848 Email: sl_victory@yahoo.com Salutation: Dear President Minister of the Interior Mr Ismail Aden Osman c/o Ministry of Foreign Affairs or The Presidency (as above) Salutation: Dear Minister Minister of Justice Mr Ahmed Hassan Ali Assowe, c/o Ministry of Foreign Affairs or Presidency (as above)Salutation: Dear Minister Commander of the Somaliland Police Mr Mohamed Egeh Elmi, c/o Ministry of Foreign Affairs or Presidency (as above) Salutation: Dear Commander COPIES TO: Minister of Foreign Affairs Ms Edna Ismail Aden Fax: +252 828 3271 Email: slforeign@hotmail.com Salutation: Dear Minister DIPLOMATIC MISSIONS: UK: Mr Osman Ahmed Hassan, Representative of the Somaliland Government, Somaliland Mission, 102 Cavell Street, London E1 2JA, United Kingdom, Fax: +44 207 717 1718 USA: Mr Saad Sheikh Omar Nur, Representative of the Somaliland Government, Washington DC, USA, Fax: +1 301 231 5990 ITALY: Mr Muhiyadin Ahmed Abdi Gabose, Representative of the Somaliland Government, Corso Unione Sovietica 465, Torino, Italy. PLEASE SEND APPEALS IMMEDIATELY. Check with the International Secretariat, or your section office, if sending appeals after 29 June 2005.

Happy 15th-may brov, Have you ever heard of the old somali lady who said "hooyo, idinkala garan meynee guuleyste"

Originally posted by Somali_Patriot: Hatred isn't needed, give respect to those who deserve it. Happy May 18 reer Somali-land. May you inshallah stay working for peace, and eventually work for the peace of Somaliweyn and all uumma muslimiin. Amiin Amiin nice 1 patriot....Aamiin..Aamiin

A very cleverly constructed article. Her basic theory is that men’s activities shouldn’t be the woman’s standards. A good example was how western woman started to imitate men and even went as far as working in factories and only today did they realise that men and woman aren’t equipped for the same roles. This article was also published in the Q news (an Islamic magazine) www.q-news.com To subscribe one without much hassle just send me ur credit card details (PM)

Gabadha ilaahay haunaxariisto Originally posted by wiil_duco: Dalkaan ayaa ku soo beegmay xili oo Madax waynaha yemen cali cadala saalax uu sheegay in ay la dagaalami doonaan sida uu sheegay oo ay layndoonaan cid kasta oo soomaali ah lagu soo dhaceeyo arimo burcad nimo ah ama tuuganimo ah :confused: :confused: What a dodgy piece of news!! That statement can’t be true, how come we never heard of it? What a sane person let alone a president would say that?

Happy 18th-may for all, i have seen that garden of freedom bck in 2002 ones and it looked different "bit greener" nevertheless nice and beautifull pictures Originally posted by Ex-Xisbiga: defiance of opposition parties calling for the public to boycott the annual May 18 speech. Kudos to the Somaliland people! Where did you get this news from brov?!!!! And which particular political party are u talking about? If that news is real, than that is very irresponsible of them.

^^^Mizz As I can understand from what brother dirrir wrote, he is opposed to any debates with Somali Christians. Brother Dirir is claiming that they aren't real Christians but rather lost people. I obviously believe we should tolerate and respect the believes of others and realise that we can’t take the law into our hands. They should in turn respect us by keeping their religion to them selves. By the way sis adnaan is a man's name (u referred to me as a "sister" in another thread) :mad: Dirir walaal runtii waa wax laga xumaado in uu qof somaliyii diinta ka baxo aa laakiin taa enagu waxba maanta kamaqaban karano, sababtoo ah waxeynaan hoos joogin dawlad sharciga ku xukunta. sidaa awgeed waa ineynu lahadalno oo eynu u caqli celino laakiin hadana waxa khalada in forumkan oo kale lagula hadlo waayo: 1) horta ma garaneyno ninkani ciduu yahey, inuuyahey nin qudha ama uu yahey nin ey kaniisadi ka ddambeyso. 2)inuu daacad u yahey in ey qof si toosa arrimo gaara ah uu kalahadlo,waayo si toosan suaalaha uguma jaawabayo. waxaana iska cad inuu dadka kale lahadlayo oo iyaga u dan leeyahey. marakaad aduu yaaney ku dhibin isagu wuxuu noqdey ee u ducee uun, anaganu waxaan ku tala jirnaa in adminka lalhadlo, nur ayuun beynu yar suganaa imika. adminka anuu waxaan isleeyaha in loo sheego in loo baahanyahey in uu warsame joojiyo qoraaladan uu doonayo in uu dadka uu ka khalkhaliyo, siiba kuwa da'da yar iyo kuwaan diinta aqoon. P.S NUR or anyone else b4 you reply read 1st post on the " are the somalis 100% muslim" thread. salaam

sucdi sis Aamiin to u too. By the way i have to admit dat i thought sucdi was short for sucudi.

Originally posted by Ducaqabe: This kind of belief is dangerous and disruptive. Ducaqabe I'll actually tell you wat is dangerous and disruptive. it's to blindly jump on the bandwagon when ever u see a hadith or s/thing relegious. Am just wasting my time buy replying to u nevertheless go and reread wat I wrote and just think about it, and keep to yourself wat ever you make of it.

Originally posted by Sucdi: ^^ Adnaan I wish you had asked me why I chose that ayah rather than assume that i have some kind of hidden hatred towards reer waqooyi. You realy oughtn’t be overly suspicious and accuse people of this and that. I have nothing against the ayah, you can use as many as u want, but it's all about the stereotyping issue. Why single-out a particular Somali group (in ur first post u never mentioned no one else) when u have almost the entire Somalis alike in the said issue. Originally posted by Sucdi: ^^ Adnaan Slander is a poisonous vice and who knows maybe one day a lawsuit will arrive at your doorstep. Any time....just let me know and I shall give you the address plus all the required details, by the way what type of legal system is relevant here...eh I would also prefer if we can take to hargeisas court Originally posted by Sucdi: ^^ Adnaan What is with the paranoia? Why does you mind tell you that people are after reer waqooyi? Cajaaib! Do you know something we don't? don't know much to be honest. ...it's just the hargiesa bit that bothers me. Originally posted by Sucdi: ^^ Adnaan I am most amazed by how quickly you turned the post to qabiil issue. The only reason I said reer waqooyi was because they were the ones I came across. That was all that was to it. The aim of my post was not who said this and that, that is most insignificant but rather to emphasise the gravity of the words uttered. Qab**l...no way thats da last thing dat comes into my head.( u should remember that there is a variety of qab**ls [akhas i hate typin dat word ] in the north). IF(note the the if is capital here)your aim wasn't about a particular group then you shouldn't have mentioned names especially when u have plenty of other expressions that you can get a way with (like SOMALIS) and besides sister there was no need to mention names and it wasn'tjust ones but u did it twice. (the worse bit was when u named my city ) Originally posted by Sucdi: ^^ Adnaan What i found most offensive is how a muslim dares to curse his/her religion. Had it been non muslims saying those words perhaps the response would have been stronger. That was all. I totally agree with u on that one and I am not saying they are right and indeed they desreve to be cursed and punished for committing that horrendous sin, but wait how about a much beneficial way to safe them. How about praying for them and to ask Allah to show them the right way?...eh......so let us start.... “Alaahum ihdihim waqfir lahum†Aamiin...make sure u read it loud sis & to say aamiin . After all, they are our ppl and that’s what they mostly need. Originally posted by Sucdi: ^^ Adnaan Walaal qabiil jecli ama naceyb janno lagu ma galo. Ha iloobin. Sister it isn't about qabiil or any of that bull$$hit its naming names and talking about ppl as if they are the only ones who say such things. Finally, my point is simple and straight forward there is no need to single-out anyone or any group of ppl who ever they might be. i understand dat ur intentions might be innocent but with all due respect i would still suggest u edit ur first post. Hope u don’t take anything as personal . ( and take it easy on this gizza cos he is got a long night of revision ahead of him) Peace out

Originally posted by Good-Credit: I dont think this is something only Reer Waqooi do, i've seen many southerners saying similar cusswords, if not worse. ^^^ This is rather more accurate.

Originally posted by Sucdi: Yet, I have met so many reer waqooyi Somalis saying diintaada iyo nabigaada ***. and then............ Originally posted by Sucdi: The Jews say: "(Allah)'s hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. Quraan (5:64) So may all those who utter blasphemies be accursed for what the say be they somalis or not. Aamiin Aamiinta kaladhacdey. sucuudiyad bilaa camala Reer waqooi and Jews!!!!! :mad: :mad: …….very weird indeed. I wonder what made u think of this? Why don't you talk about the Arabs (apparently Saudi Arabia is becoming a gay friendly country).perhaps it was the reer waqooi u are after....this mentality of urs is very unhealthy...trust me. I would suggest u go and find s/thing more constructive to talk about instead of cursing reer waqooi & indirectly comparing them to the Jews (cajiiib).

Arabs no matter how you perceive them they will always think of u as a nigger “abdâ€. Some of u may have heard of Antara Bin Shadaad, his mother was a black African slave and his father was a Bedouin Arab. He was famous by his braveness and they used to praise him whenever he took on the enemy, but apart from that they called him the slave “abdâ€â€¦more or less his story summarises the current Somali position for they will always be slaves in the minds of Arabs unless they outweigh the Arabs in many areas of life such as having a credible government which is financial, militarily and educationally superior or somehow moderate in compare to the Arab countries ( which is just a dream for the time being ). Nations are always known to write their history by their tradition, so why not the Somalis, they should enhance their culture and traditions and be proud of their unknown identity rather than claiming to be part of ppl who aren’t accepting them. My self I was lately into the Somali literature and these lines fit this scenario, so enjoy it. Haddaad dhimato geeridu marbay nolosha dhaantaaye Dhaqashiyo mar bay kaa yihiin dhereggu xaaraane Dhadhan malaha aadmigu wuxu kugu dhalliilaaye Nin dharbaaxo quudheed dugsaday dhaqayaded maalye Dhashaaday sugtaa xaajadaad dhawrataa abide.

Originally posted by Good-Credit: quote:Originally posted by ADNAAN: Isn't zool the sudani substitute for rajul "man". BINGO... Myself I wasn’t sure about my answer (it was my friend’s suggestion) but nevertheless zool when written in English sounds like zoolu which is a barbaric African tribe, hence it can be understood as some one from an uncivilised background or tribe.

Isn't zool the sudani substitute for rajul "man".