why? who?

guraad welcome to somalia online, or are some old member who registered again today just to claim you are from sool? . samakab anymore outbusts like that and i will deport 100 Puntland labourers from Somaliland

Baashi said 'so far Djibouti fulfilled the true Greater Somalia vision' Baashi thinks its ok for Djibouti to be seperate from 'Geater Somalia' because most of the people want to be. Why can't you accept the same for Somalilanders? Don't you believe in whats good for Boutis is good enough for the Landers? The only difference between Djibouti and Somaliland is Lander fiddled with 'Somali Weyn'. Does this 'true vision' of yours see that there are people in neighbouring countries who would love to join Somaliland if they had a choice? Positive mental attitude is one thing, burying heads in 'Somali weyn' sand is another. Thirty years of United Somalia turned out to be a disaster with a run-down colonial infrastructure for most of the country. Its early days but Somaliland is producing better results for its citizens than under United Somalia with no foreign debt around its neck. If takes a creation of Somaliland to end police brutality and departure of an army that behaves like an occupying force, then I for one am for it. The choice (for Somalilanders) in this debate is whether to continue what we have started or join the 'warlords' in Nairobi to create 'Greater Somalia'. Does anyone think the Kenyans are helping people capable of taking the NFD? I think its a message to NFD Somalis saying 'lucky you!' and other stuff. Rather than staying up all night looking for ways to undermine Somaliland, I suggest people try to atleast learn from it. The little stability Somaliland (alxamdu lillah) has is not because of piliticians or peace talks in foreign capitals or lack of weapons but because the people just want to get on with their lives. Hibo thinks 'The(USA)would sent troops to unarm the civilians. So far after all GREATER SOMALIA will make it...' Haven't they tried that already? Maybe that too was not a failure just 'failed leadership' and would be 'back on track' soon. If the US can disarm anyone by force it would start in its backyard. Voluntary disarmament could be done without help from anyone from outside. 'Patiots' who want a United Somalia believe it would lead to self determination for people living in 'Western Somalia'. These 'patriots' have already decided to call it 'Western Somalia' and do not believe in self determination for the people in Somaliland I've seen many wacky compromise ideas in this forum, like the one suggesting moving the kangaroo court from Xamar to Hargeisa. Why don't we start with sending Somaliland peace keepers to Somalia? Gediid said it once i'll repeat for those who did not get it the fist time, the war in Somaliland was not for us to rule Somalia or to make Hargeisa the capital of it but to bring permanent change. Let us all imagine the impossible and invent a united Somalia tomorrow, would this country have to rearm to get self determination for the rest of Somalis? How do we know 'a bad leadership' would not hijack it again? Who and where are the leader who can produce a united Somalia and lead a to 'Somali weyn'? If 'Somali Weyn' is Islamic what plans does it have for the neighbouring Muslims like Oromo, Afars, Swahilis? Somehow i don't think a journey that starts with 'warlords' meeting in Nairobi will end up as Islamic 'Somali weyn' with a blessing of Muslims around it. I think we should try new route that choses peace and stability over greatness and wars. Baashi if you decide a change of career is needed you can take the vacant post of ambassador of Somalia to Somaliland . ------------------------------------- MAR IDEGE ALLAH HA CAFIYO

baashi oh brother baashi, you've replied to but not answered Notherner's 6 questions. Q1. You just ducked. Q3. You don't know. Q4. You don't know Q6. You don't get it. in reply to Q2 you say 'no one is saying let's unite before stability' which changes to 'why not wait united' as solution to Q5. i'll try Q6 as i understood it. After all the dust has settled, do you expect somalilanders to say 'we missed you so much or we are bloody better off without you lot'?. This is a battle of hearts and minds and i don't think landers are convinced. by the way i hope somalia gets stable soon but that is not the only pre-condition for unity, if they will be any unity. no one is waiting for recogtition landers are just getting on with their business. somaliland is already a different country from somalia. the sooner the reality sinks in, the better for some.

i totally agree with brown sugah, we should all seek knowledge from people we know and trust not from strangers with all sorts of intentions. i was once told that;for every person that dies without knowing about Islam,all Muslims alive at that moment are responsible for this sin(dambi). thats why all Muslims must give some of their time and money spreading Islam to avoid this sin. 2real i don't know how this dilema can bring doubt or affect your iman in any way. like sugah suggested, let's all try to find out more from people who know more than us all.

Now what indeed. good quetion Libax ST. Alxamdulillah the brave ppl of somaliland have managed to establish an oasis, which all nomads benefit from despite what the knockers and wreckers try to do. i believe the next struggle should be a campaign for the introduction of islamic laws and institutions, starting with a fight against corruption and khat abuse. till when this is done, the campaing for recognition should take a back seat. my alarm bell rings when i hear the present politicians utter the words 'world bank' and IMF. just like Taiwan, we do not anybody's recognition just hard work insha-Allah we can do it. somaliland is not perfect yet, but for ppl who stood up agaist the previous the regime i say thanks and you can hold your heads high, you won both the war and the peace. the borders of somaliland are the same as the ones before the union of 1960. the same outsiders who preach 'shanta somali' gospel are the ones playing dumb about these boundries. Djibouti tried that game a dacade ago and got good spanking for it. as for anyone who has a case against president Dahir Riyale can go to the nearest court in somaliland, i wish some people can have such a privilage.

....This is why i do not appreciate the Woqoyi Galbeed's ( i try from using "somaliland" because of colonial conotation) drive to separate from the rest of Somalia.' QARYAQAAN u must be having a laugh mate! first of all do u know the 'LIA'in Somalia means 'land' in ItaLIAn? you know, the ones selling toxic waste to the leaders of 'the rest of somalia' responsible for so much death and destruction. if you people really care about 'somalis' you would be thinking about the people struggling in Ogadeen n other places where there is real suffering and hardship. easy to blame Siad when his hechmen are your bloody leaders. we don't want revenge but please dont ask us to forget. 'somaliland' is a discomfort to some, but i blood is pouring out all around it which should concern us more. only QUR AAN can unite us.. SAMI IS COME BACK!!!!

SORRY BUT I HAD TO REMOVE THAT SILLY JOKE. TOO EMBARASSED.JUST HOPE NO KIDS SAW THAT.