Payment in kind is always fun hon. But I think we will wait for when you get married. In the meantime

Originally posted by Paragon: Xanthus, You see, acting the part gives sanity to the majority of society. It gives us a purpose- being regarded as a husband, or you a wifey which means alot. If you don't get yourself ready for your part in the play of things, later on, you might find things hard to cope with . Like Ms D&D suggested, get your raalliyo guntiino out sooner than later . If people kept themselves to themselves, me and you wouldn't be here exchanging replies in this forum. We wouldn't even be born. Now, you see how important it is that people give each other what they got? Plus its very pleasing to give yourself to someone who would cherish it . loool..what a funny way of endorsing marriage lol. Girls While from an Islamic perspective, the husband is given the leadership role in the marriage relationship, this does not mean he runs the couple's family life like a dictatorship. It must be remembered that Islamically, a leader is one who serves, manages, provides and nourishes. A leader must also have humbleness and humility. CC..Maxaa adiga doqn kuu geynaya in he first place? The husband himself may be the cause of the woman's disobedience and rebelliousness. For example, he may be very stingy and miserly. He may also be very emotional and excitable. He may also be someone who is very harsh, tough and despotic. He may be one who forces his will and decisions upon his wife in every matter without consulting with her, taking into consideration her feelings, exchanging views on the matter and being pleasant with this wife. He might consider his wife like some kind of chattel (instead of another human) and therefore deals with her with coldness and coarseness without any compassion or gentleness. You dont want that! It would take a saint of a woman to put up with that! Couples may enter marriage with high-flying romantic ideas and expecting their partner to be the ideal human. But all humans have good and bad points. Husbands and wives have to learn to accept each other, warts and all. But the most important thing is to spice it up..TURN IT UP!

Far from afhayeen, Puuja. I am just cajuusa with experience. As i said earlier, one isnt qualified to discuss blissfull marriage without doing the deed My dear mom used to say "those protesting the loudest, will lay the lowest" Meaning "cararka ayaa ka dhamaanaya kuwa jaqjaqda badnaa markey single-ka ahaayeen.

War gabdhayahow xishooda. Rag baan waxaad qortaan akhrinaya. Ha iska xirina suuqa I recall when I was single and i sounded just like you girls. But since I wasnt in the situation, I wasnt qualified to judge whether pleasing my future husband would be something I would have an issue with. I dare say that you girls will change your minds dears. It is only matter of getting the man and be wedded to him. Then you will tell me all about how you wait at the door for your husband from work, having 'cadey soomali' to chastise you if he had a bad day, a milk in one hand incase he is thirsty and finally wearing just 'guntiino' for any other business. If you girls put these principles into practice, you will find that your future partner will become the dream-man that you always wanted -attentive, loving, thoughtful all rolled into one. Someone said about the surrendered wife that she aint no doormat. She bravely and couragously commits to making a loving, nuturing marriage the most important goal of all -- and she will receive that and so much more. So girls, leave the feminst rubbish in the dustbin, and get your raalliyo guntiino on. You will be suprised at the results you will acheive. You will be rewarded with a husband that cherishes you like a princess, caters to your needs, and strives to please you in every way. Not a bad exchange..eh?

This is what really gets my goat! Where do they get off dictating what the muslim ladies wear? In Boosaaso, 95% of women wore the niqab..will they be told to takeit off? or is this reserved for muqdishu residents? Totally unacceptable!

I have 2 uncles there. These uncles are citizens of Sweden (who made the choice of moving to their homeland 6 years ago for their kids' sake) and they have lost families in every single war that occured there. Having spoken to them, I completely have changed my stance. All they want is to live in peace where their kids could attend schools without being killed by stray bullet or a bomb. We are not in Iraq or Afghanistan. This temporary govt is just that, temprory. Lets put measures in place to choose our own leaders after 2 years. At least this way, we can give the TFg enough rope to hang themselves if they dont make progress. A leapord can never change his spots. Therefore a warlord will always be a warlord and will slip. Edit: What concerns me is if the occupiers tighten their grip on our lands even further and have corrupt govt in years to come. This is even worse than the anarchy of the past 16yrs.

Why would you marry a sodd? Marry a stud and you will love to be at his beck and call. I will tell you more after my meeting

SO lets say he pacifies Muqdishu...would people want the war to continue in order to kick the Ethiopians out? I wonder what would people of Muqdishu would like? 1- peace under dictator/occupiers 2-anarchy/chaos/killings/looting As an average Caasho cadeey living in Suuqaha Bokaaraha, I would choose peace under any circumstances. It is very easy for us (with all our security and jobs) to condemn. Put yourself in their position.

^^ It is a pleasure to serve your husband girl..you will come to know

The women in that programme were happy. I am all for being a raaliyo. I think it is rewarding as long as your husband is miskiin and let you have your way. Where I draw the line is using ductape tokeep your mouth shut unless it is for forplay

^^ I agree. So what happens now..or this gonna be one those we discuss and disappear?

I felt very uncomfortable, especially as i was watching with my other half. Washing the husband, not having a say in anything, even him putting onyour make up and choosing your dress and most importantly your hubby making a list for your chores of the day scared me. http://www.five.tv/programmes/hiddenlives/obedientwives/ I dont know if I could have done and I know my hubby wouldnt have wanted a robbot.

Comparing Islam to being gay is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Can a black person blush?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=452815&in_page_id=1770 I realise that no one can really take this trash of a paper seriously but all they are doing is fuelling the fire. Papers like this could in fact end up stiring a lot of trouble that could spill on to our streets. One of the excuses used against Jews in 1930s, and which allowed the Europeans to sit silently and watch the persecution and then killings was the same that is being floated quite generously across the whole west against the muslims at present time, that is, they wanted to take over Europe...Europe will turn to violance against muslims, the violence of 21st century is going to be subtle and more psychological in nature, the one we are already watching....But in the end, it will be physical violence because once Europe succefully turn the muslims into barbarians, they will have to resort to violence as barbarians and evil doers are killed.... What is surprising about this article is that it has been published at all in a mainstream newspaper. I would have given it another 5 to 10 years at least before the Muslim democratic surge gets serious mention. Maybe this means that European ethnic war is going to happen sooner than the 2025-2030 date that I would give it. Some are suggesting that muslims wont ever have a chance taking over Europe. Some believe the Europeans when they finally wake up to the Muslim Trojan horse and will react the same way Europeans have always reacted in history and as recently as the 1990s in the Balkans. They think that Europeans including the Euro lefty will end up butchering the Muslims the same way they did the Balkans, or did to the Jews or did to just about anyone else that got in their way when they were colonial zing the world. Then there was this programme last night on TV at 8.30, named 'White Fright' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6631541.stm

The son of a Hungarian immigrant and a French mother of Greek Jewish origin, he was baptised a Roman Catholic and grew up in Paris. May. 7, 2007 22:57 | Updated May. 7, 2007 23:21 Sarkozy gets nearly 90% of Israeli votes By HERB KEINON French president-elect Nicolas Sarkozy received a higher percentage of votes from French citizens in Israel than from expatriates in any other country, according to the French Foreign Ministry. It said 90.7 percent of French citizens living in Israel outside of Jerusalem voted for Sarkozy, significantly higher than the 53% percent of the vote he garnered in France. According to Israeli diplomatic officials, Sarkozy was viewed by expatriates here as being pro-Israel. Some 6,276 French citizens - or just 19% of eligible French voters in Israel - cast absentee ballots. In Jerusalem, under the jurisdiction of the French Consulate and not the French Embassy in Tel Aviv, some 2,500 people voted, 87% of them for Sarkozy. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert phoned Sarkozy on Monday to congratulate him on his victory. According to the Prime Minister's Office, Sarkozy said: "I am a friend of Israel, and Israel can always count on my friendship." The two men agreed to speak again soon after Sarkozy takes office. Olmert is expected to meet Sarkozy in Paris this summer. In the US, Sarkozy won just under 64% of absentee ballots, in England 53% (the same as he received in France) and in Canada 46%. Of 6,360 Lebanese with French citizenship, 71.5 % voted for Sarkozy, an indication that just as Israelis view him as pro-Israeli, French Lebanese seem to view him as pro-Lebanese. In Syria, some 69% of the 800 absentee ballots went to Sarkozy's challenger, Segolene Royal. One diplomatic official in Jerusalem said Monday that Syrian President Bashar Assad was obviously relieved that French President Jacques Chirac was leaving office, though he would likely have preferred the more inexperienced Royal to Sarkozy. Following the assassination of Chirac's friend and former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri, the official said, France's attitude toward Syria became completely colored by Chirac's personal distaste for Assad. "Chirac was determined to isolate Assad," the official said. "Sarkozy will also be tough toward Assad and his policy will be coordinated with the US, but it will not be as personal as it was with Chirac." "Today is less bad a day then it was yesterday for Assad in regards to France," the official added. Regarding Franco-Israeli relations, the official said that while Sarkozy was friendly to Israel, "it's not as if the Lubavitcher Rebbe was just elected. Sarkozy is a friend, but he did not just become the mayor of Jerusalem. He needs to think of all the French, and there are objective French interests throughout the Arab world." Nevertheless, the official said there would likely be a change in the relationship. "The tone now is likely to be warmer and more friendly, even when there are disagreements," he said. "We are unlikely to see the coldness and the enmity that we saw during Chirac's tenure... until the point when Chirac developed a chemistry with [prime minister] Ariel Sharon." Vice Premier Shimon Peres also phoned Sarkozy to congratulate him Monday, and told him his victory held out "promise for France, a constructive feeling for the world and hope for the Middle East and all of us." Peres praised Sarkozy for calling, during his acceptance speech Sunday evening, for the construction of a "Mediterranean Union that will link Europe and Africa. What was done for Europe 60 years ago, we will do today for a Mediterranean Union." Peres told Sarkozy this idea was "fascinating." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1178431593424&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

^^ Shouldnt you have told her? If I was the bride, I would have liked to be told the truth. That marriage is disaster from the off as it is based on lies. The issue isnt about the qabiil but the dishonest invloved. Bit like when my friend found out that her hubby fathered a child in a previous relationship and she wasnt aware. Sad to say that they are no longer together. One will wonder..what else did hide from me. Somalis whatever qabiil are racists. My dad told me a story when he was young. He visited his uncle in small town somewhere Puntland (cant remember). He met the most beautiful woman in the world and he wanted to marry her. His uncle refused to let my dad marry her cos of the said qabiil. My dad didnt care, he said till the uncle pointed out that you may not care but your kids will suffer from the awful Somali prejudice. We somalis are racists to anyone who isnt our qabiil. It is pathetic. Even those here who completely disagree with this prejudices, they wont allow the said qabiil to marry their daughter of sister. This is something bigger than us.

Younger men usually hang on to older woman's every word, bend backward to please the older women. Very good companions if you want puppy .

May 4, 2007 Deroy Murdock You won't hear these Muslim voices Where on Earth are the moderate Muslims? Thanks to PBS, they're not on public television. PBS has blocked "Islam vs. Islamists: Voices from the Muslim Center." This new documentary -- funded with a $675,000 Corporation for Public Broadcasting grant -- contrasts the ubiquitous bearded, burqa-covered Muslim radicals with others seldom seen: men and women who wear Western attire, shave daily, show their female faces, and prosper without slaughtering "infidels." While moderate Muslims may appear elsewhere on PBS, Uncle Sam's TV channel declines to air this compelling, even-handed, and surprisingly tame film that explores the struggle between modern Muslims and their backward brethren. Produced by Canadian filmmaker Martyn Burke and the Center for Security Policy's Alex Alexiev and Frank Gaffney, "Islam vs. Islamists" is no fire-breathing, Islamophobic screed. While it sympathizes with mellow Muslims targeted by their hotheaded co-religionists, it simply lets individual Muslims speak for themselves, with limited commentary -- none of it inflammatory. Capital HQ a New York-based public-affairs organization, quickly arranged a sold-out screening of "Islam" Tuesday night. Even after benches and folding chairs were dragged in from the Union Square 14-plex's lobby, guests still clogged the aisles. The film showcases brave, moderate Muslims like Naser Khader, a Syrian-born Danish legislator who preaches the separation of mosque and state. The mere fact that he votes in Copenhagen's parliament enrages Muslim zealots. "To make laws -- only a god does that. And there is only one god in Islam, and that is Allah," says Slimane Abderrahmane, an Algerian-Danish alumnus of al-Qaida's terror camps and, later, Guantanamo. "So you're saying, 'I'm just like Allah.' And you can't do that." Rather than submit to such Muslim crackpots, Khader fled Copenhagen for a small Danish town. He also requires 24-hour police protection. This is hardly paranoid. During the deadly Muslim overreaction to those newspaper images of Mohammed in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten, Danish Muslim fanatic Ahmed Akkari said, "If Khader becomes minister of integration, shouldn't someone dispatch two guys to blow up him and his ministry?" The man who videotaped Akkari's words also is in "Islam." Mohamed Sifaoui, a peaceful Algerian-French journalist, infiltrated a Parisian band of Muslim extremists. Some appeared via hidden camera. Others hammed it up, thinking Sifaoui was shooting an Islamist propaganda movie. Since French TV showed his film, bodyguards have surrounded Sifaoui. It is newsworthy that moderates such as Khader and Sifaoui need security agents to shield them from Allah's potentially homicidal followers. Nonetheless, PBS has nixed this film. "'Islam vs. Islamists' had not completed the production and review process for PBS," says presenting station WETA's statement. "They [sic] program still has not." Despite minor audio glitches, the screened film appeared complete. The documentary "was irresponsible because the writing was alarmist, and it wasn't fair," WETA executive Jeff Bieber has complained. (Full disclosure: I was a panelist on WETA's "Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered.") "Islam" is abundantly fair. Those in it, all Muslim, represent themselves. They range from thoroughly relaxed, perfectly patriotic Arizona physician Dr. Zuhdi Jasser to Canadian imam Aly Hindy, who embraces the fatal stoning of adulterers. "It's not controversial," he laughs, waving a Koran. "This is Islam." Tariq Fatah also appears in the film. This Toronto-based TV host calls himself "a 9-to-5 Muslim." He wears suits and wields no rocket-propelled grenades. Like other Muslims in this picture, he has endured violent attacks from Islamists who detest his joviality. "These people are opposed to happiness," he told his Manhattan audience. "And a constitution that mentions the pursuit of happiness is a problem for them." Fatah argues that politically correct PBS executives "believe you are a genuine Muslim only if you look like a Muslim." Sans beards, burqas and blood in their eyes, Fatah says, PBS officials regard Muslims like him as inauthentic and thus unworthy of consideration. Gaffney, an executive producer of "Islam," wants Americans to "raise some hell," until PBS either shows the film or lets another channel broadcast it. He hopes citizens will call PBS at and urge them to air the documentary. FreeTheFilm.net suggests other ways to promote this movie. "Everyone whose tax dollars went into making this film should have the chance to see it for themselves and make up their own minds," Gaffney says. "That's all we ask." http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070504/OPINION/705040302/-1/ZONES04 Murdock is a columnist with Scripps Howard News Service and an adviser to the Cato Institute on Social Security Choice.

Too hot to handle By Sean Coughlan The lightning bolt of embarrassment can leave you flushed, frozen and the memory can linger for years. But what makes it such a powerful emotion? Embarrassment has its own painful, cringe-making place in everyone's memory. Who hasn't felt that agonising spasm of acute embarrassment? Even years later, the awfulness can linger. Even watching complete strangers on television embarrassing themselves can fill the room with that uncomfortable, toe-curling sensation. Author and broadcaster Brian King has attempted to get below the blushing skin and examine how the malign lightning bolt of embarrassment can suddenly leave us feeling exposed and ridiculous. "It's that sudden failure in how we present ourselves, with a perceived loss of public esteem. And it often feels much worse than it really is," says King. There are lots of grimly enjoyable stories, not just the usual round of doomed job interviews and sexual disasters. Embarrassment can be more subtle. The Shakespearean actor and Star Trek star, Patrick Stewart, recalls a time he was watching television alone in a hotel room and stumbled upon an episode of Next Generation which he barely remembered having filmed. "I had forgotten that I'd ordered room service," he says. "The man arrived with my order. He looked at the television and looked at me with such pity." That's the comic timing of embarrassment, in a split second it can turn even a movie star into a lonely loser poring over past glories. Feel for others It's not an emotion like guilt or regret, because no harm is intended to others. If you get drunk at an office party and insult someone, you might feel guilty. But if you tell them that you love them, that's when you feel embarrassed. A prerequisite for embarrassment is to be able to feel how others feel - you have to be empathetic Professor Ray Crozier It can also be the irresistible move towards the worst possible outcome, says King, author of the book, Walking In on Mum and Dad. "German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, attending a solemn ceremony at Jerusalem's Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, was invited to turn a handle to boost the eternal flame commemorating the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. "To the acute embarrassment of everyone present, the chancellor turned the handle in the wrong direction and extinguished the flame." The common thread in embarrassment is the sudden puncturing of our attempts to look competent, whether it's in the boardroom or the bedroom. "We have this fundamental human need to be respected and not to look foolish," King says. And losing self-esteem "can feel like the world has ended". An example of such a raw nerve involves bedding and someone who, even years later, doesn't want to be identified. A young man from a modest home, he had grown up using blankets and sheets, and had never had a duvet. When he arrived at university and was faced with an unfamiliar duvet cover, he had clambered inside each night, sleeping-bag style, doing up the buttons under his chin. All was well until his first girlfriend came to visit - it was she who had to break the news about the correct bed covering technique to him. Why blush? Embarrassment is about social situations, but it also has physical symptoms - such as blushing. It is a uniquely human response, common to all cultures as a sign of sudden social awkwardness. Ray Crozier, professor of psychology at the University of East Anglia, has researched the psychology of embarrassment and is author of Blushing and the Social Emotions. He describes blushing - which can affect the face, neck or upper chest - as a "very odd phenomenon" which isn't yet fully understood. The function of blushing, in evolutionary terms, could once have been to signal that someone had made an accidental mistake, admitting to an error and so avoiding a confrontation. But there are people who are so self-conscious about blushing they have operations to prevent it, cutting the nerve that creates the blush. Instead of feeling awkward about being easily embarrassed, Professor Crozier says it's a sign of greater emotional intelligence. "A prerequisite for embarrassment is to be able to feel how others feel - you have to be empathetic, intelligent to the social situation," he says. Social anxieties Embarrassment is a way of making us adhere to social codes so that we don't insult our friends, reveal our basic instincts or show too much of our private emotions. People who are unembarrassable are likely to be poor at reading social situations. So while everyone else cringes, they plough on, unable to pick up the sensitivities of the situation. Professor Crozier defines embarrassment as when we accidentally "contradict the identity we want to project, leaving a quite disabling sense of being exposed". And the car-crash moment when it happens is like a "little death" - everything seems to stop, time seems to stand still and we talk about being "frozen" or "dying of embarrassment" or being "mortified". But what do we do when it happens, and how best to recover? "The best way to deal with embarrassment is to talk about it," says workplace psychologist Gary Fitzgibbon. "If you skulk off, you're left with it. You mustn't let the embarrassment dominate." Once you admit to what's happened and talk about it, everyone will feel much more relaxed and they'll be laughing with you rather than at you. As a way of developing social skills, one therapy he has used is to get people to talk in a group about their own worst embarrassing moments, helping them to face down their social anxieties. Or else there's the white lie. But this can add to the confusion, as Bill Bryson found after he stumbled into his parents' bedroom at just the wrong moment. "To my surprise, the shades were drawn and my parents were in bed wrestling under the sheets. More astonishingly still, my mother was winning. My father was obviously in some distress. He was making a noise like a small trapped animal. "'What are you doing?' I asked. 'Ah, Billy, your mother is just checking my teeth,' my father replied. I believe you are supposed to be traumatised by these things. I can't remember being troubled at all, though it was some years before I let my mother look in my mouth again." Add your comments on this story, using the form below. The most embarrassing thing i ever saw was when Winnie Mandela went to kiss a (former) friend and he pushed her face away. It still fills me with shame on her behalf. MLR, London, UK I remember getting into a hotel wardrobe in Japan in 1988 to remove a film from my camera that had jammed, only to exit to the astonishment of the Japanese concierge who had let herself in to make the bed. How embarrasing was that! Malcolm Ball, Cheltenham I accidentally stabbed my boss [the safety officer] with scissors in the buttock on the way to a safety meeting. the blade penetrated two inches and he needed stitches and new trousers. Anon, UK Would love to know where I can get that nerve-cutting operation from. My Doctor had prescribed me Betablockers and, when they didn't work, refered me to a psychologist but neither has stopped the blushing (didn't help that the psychologist was a hottie!) Hope the operation is available on the NHS!! David Todd, Altrincham Man is the only animal that blushes - or indeed needs to! John Hickey, Horsham, West Sussex, UK There's someting deep down inside everyone which is like a hidden wound. We all hide it, sometimes pretending its not there, but it rears its ugly head once in a while. Its filed under the folder called: Insecurites. k, Birmingham - UK On the way we are perceived by others, I am reminded of, I think, Oscar Wilde's observation, that 'the worry in what others may really think of us is how little they actually do'. Be happy. simon, leeds, uk Aged 18, I had a bar job in a working men's club. One evening, I served an elderly lady, who had come out without putting her false teeth in. She fizzed and spluttered as I strove to understand her order. After she'd gone, I turned to the bar manager working beside me, and launched into a tirade, saying how disgusting and repulsive it was that people didn't wear their false teeth like they're supposed to. Halfway through, I noticed him looking at me strangely, eyes widening. Time began to slow down, as with a growing horror, I found my eyes were drawn to his mouth, for the first time seeing beyond his bushy moustache, and very very slowly it began to dawn on me something that, in the six months or so I'd worked there, I'd never noticed before... yes, you guessed it. Rob, London, UK Freshly arrived in NYC, jetlagged and slightly worse for wear I went to bed (naked) in my hot, non airconditioned hotel room. Woke up at an ungodly hour, stumbled into what I thought was the bathroom, and as the automatic door clicked shut behind me I realised I'm standing naked in a brighly lit corridor. Instantly sober and wide awake, took elevator to ground floor, walked to reception manhood in hand and asked for replacement key. The girl at reception had real trouble keeping a straight face. I've heard the same happening to others. R, London I recently attended a show. At the end of the show I was allowed onto the stage to give out some presents from the company I work for. These included t shirts and footballs. Unfortunately I got a bit over-excited and kicked one of these footballs right into the face of a woman in the front row. She had to be attended to by members of the St. John's Ambulance. I nearly died! Paul S, Gillingham Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/magazine/6618749.stm Published: 2007/05/03 15:15:06 GMT

Why is this news foreign to me? I have had several friends from this tribe at school back home. We ate together and invited into each other's houses. No one threw up and no one made derogatory remark. Okey, marriages maybe off the menu (which i vehemently disagree with) but the treatments Goth mentions in his piece wasnt what I experienced. There is a big room for improvement but it wasnt as bad as Goth is making out to be.

Kenya gets US anti-terror funds The US government has announced new funding to Kenya's security forces aimed at countering "terrorist activities" in the Horn of Africa. The US administration will provide $14m-worth of training and equipment. Kenya is a close US ally in the region - several terror suspects have been arrested in Kenya and sent to Somalia or Ethiopia for questioning. The US blames terror attacks in Kenya on al-Qaeda operatives it says have been hiding in Somalia. Last month, Kenyan Security Minister John Michuki held talks with US officials in Washington on fighting terrorism. Guantanamo Bay A statement from the US embassy in Nairobi says some of the money will be used to construct a maritime security camp, boost coastline patrols and set up a cyber forensic laboratory. The US government has been pushing Kenya to enact and anti-terrorism law and boost its efforts to crack down on drug trafficking. But a draft law which gives the security minister powers to declare an individual or organisation a terrorist, was shelved by parliament after Muslim groups said it violated the rights of Kenyans. Last month, a Kenyan Abdulmalik Mohammed was moved to Guantanamo Bay camp after he was handed over to the US following his arrest in the Kenyan port city of Mombasa. US officials say Mr Mohammed had confessed to having taken part in the 2002 attack on an Israeli-owned hotel near Mombasa. But Islamic leaders accuse the government of working with the US to persecute Muslims. Some 250 people were killed in Nairobi in 1998 during simultaneous attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The US says Islamists who controlled much of southern Somalia last year were sheltering al-Qaeda operatives, responsible for these and the 2002 Mombasa attacks. The Islamists have been driven from power, with the US and Ethiopia helping Somali government troops. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/africa/6623635.stm Published: 2007/05/04 10:02:29 GMT

Apparently it is not.

What if they get the same treatment reer mugdishu got?

organized manner that would appeal to these publics and galvanize them to take action Spot on ThePoint. In the Islamic world, the corrupted puppets of colonial powers managed to regroup in the guise of democratic forces. We have issues around us (tons of them). What I see lacking among Muslims is a culture of developing deliberative bodies at the local levels, I see lack of the art to organise and sustain the organisation, I see lack of patience and lack of desire to study history and draw reasonable conclusions eg lessons from successful models,,I see lack of open-mindedness,I see lack of the art of negotiation, lack of a spirit to compromise for the good of the society. Organisations succeed when they have a good governing document. First thing we need is the knowledge or awareness that such a thing as a governing document exists. Secondly we need to realize the importance and necessity of such an agreement. Thirdly we need to obtain or provide the tangible assets towards its creation e.g. a place to meet, a paper, ink, some model organisations. Fourthly we need to develop the art of inter action, compromise, negotiate, to keep open and fair atmosphere during meetings, be polite and discipline. These are intangibles, which only come with practice, and a lot of it. Finally we need to adhere to what ever we mutually agree on. I strongly feel that we have no choice but to start some where in this process of empowering people. Otherwise the exploitive forces, where ever, and who ever they are , will never allow us to progress.