If it was a one city state, could you tell me why there are 2 universities in awdal, 1 in sahel, 3 in maroodi jeex (that's hargeisa province for you), 1 in togdheer, 1 in sool and one that is proposed for sanaag? lol Please lets talk about facts, not what SEEMS, what you FEEL and what you THINK.

1. There is a story line. In 1991 hargeisa was reduced to the ground. In 2008 hargeisa is busy rebuilding. The pictures speak for themselves. If you have a problem with that. I can't help you. 2. If I cherich Somaliland, why are you bothered? Love your Somalia and lets call it even? 3. I've been to many cities in Somaliland and a lot of villages too, but you don't need my first hand account. Just google and from the comfort of your home you can see as I said the Somaliland Flag with the Shahada flying high in the wind. 4. I personally am not seeking anything. I have what I want. 5. You're right we don't have much of a discussion, I'm not trying to change your mind. I already told you. Somaliland has already decided its fate. You are a 5 percenter. You are allowed to voice your protest. Lastly, I sleep fine knowing Somaliland is moving in the right direction Alxamdulilah.

Those ruins are mosques and museums that we need develop. The fact they're getting attention to bring back our history and rehabilitate those histroric sites speaks volumes. My dear once again. Look before you leap. Also, as I said may Allah let Somalia, Somaliland Djibouti, NFD, Somali Galbeed and anywhere Somalis live prosper. Why are you so concerned only on Somalia and Somaliland? Broaden your horizons sis.

If you bothered to actually seen those pictures. You'd see pictures from East to West, Zeila in Awdal to Daalo in Sanaag. lol Please look before you leap.

Lois, 1. Let me give you friendly advise. Don't bring other debates into the current one. 2. Focus on the topic at hand. This is only about Hargeisa. 3. Unless ofcourse you're MS CLEO, I don't know where you got hate from? 4. What history did I fabricate? 5. Hargeisa is advancing just like those pictures show. In the same context, so is the rest of Somaliland. 6. I said anything to do with Somaliland is more precious to me, and that is a fact. If you don't hold your country dear don't blame me. I'm not the one that brought ethiopians to occupy Somalia. 7. When I go to any city in Somaliland the Somaliland flag with the shahadah on top is flying high. That's what you call reality. I don't need to seek it. I have it, the rest of the world just needs to acknowledge it. Learn the difference between defacto and dejure. 8. Why would I wish anything bad for any one? Somalis in Somalia are close to me like other Muslims. Why would I want theire misfortune? See you're too busy assuming, that you lose yourself. Even if you don't bleive me, how about this. Its in my interest that Somalia is stable. Who wants anarchy in their back yard??? 9. Once a 5 percenter, always a 5 percenter

general make sense bro. i do see the jersey's that are blue and hwite. and that's the home team. that's somalia's team. what about the yellow red green team? specifically number 10..isn't that ethiopia? and please tell me the final score? ethiopa 101, somalia 05?

i see...ethiopia has brought mogadishu under control...forget the basket ball court...even the jersey's are a replica of the ethiopian flag...looks like somalia and ethiopia are having a match..i wonder who won?

I don't hate a regime saxiib...hate will consume you...its 2008...get with the program... dahir riyale is a somaliland citizen...he was voted in by somaliland people..he will remain if the somaliland people vote for him...or he'll have to vacate....lol but he's not there by sitting on melez's lap ... learn the difference between selection and an election...

Lois, 1. We're not discussing the world according to Lois. We're discussing the reality on the ground. 2. We're discussing only hargeisa, because this topic is only about hargeisa. If you'd like to broaden it to all of Somaliland you're going to need to open another thread. However, lest you think otherwise, every single city in Somaliland from East to West is doing much better than prior to 1991. Its just reality. Its not my opinion. So lets agree on the facts. 3. Somaliland and its people cherish their blood, their dignity, their sovereignty, their ecosystem, their land, their existence. If you do not cherish or value these things, that's up to you. It is not for me to instill it in your psyche. 4. What does Islam have to do with this? Are you preaching to the choir? Are we not all muslim? Lets not go there. 5. I don't seek anything, I already have Somaliland. 6. I want only the best for Mogadishu, even if we don't share the same political entity. Inshallah the hard times will pass quickly, because Liido beach is calling me. Last, you are a 5 percenter, like it or not. You and your GREAT PHANTOM numbers.

so every tin pot dictator's dream is to have their ugly mug on public property...congratulations yey...you've made it ...too bad...amin amir is in toronto and can't produce quality pictures like he used to for afweyne

loooooool@vote. i don't vote online. in Somaliland we vote for real. and thanks but no thanks...and if the best somalia can muster is abdulahi yusuf behind ethiopian tanks, then may allah have mercy on somalia

wasn't this poll done on the internet? how on earth are you going to misscount the "internet commandos"???????

People, lets not get side lined with gossip. It is a disservice to your cause to entertain such nonsense. I mean lets face it, whether Abdulahi Yusuf gets slapped or not, Ethiopia's flag is flying high in Mogadishu. What difference does an alleged smack pimp style or not make? Lets start focusing on reality.

I believe already Somaliland is on the right path, just check out these pictures. http://www.flickr.com/photos/yusuf-dahirsomaliland/page2/

1. Suldaanka, you missed the plot bro. You should have shown these pictures of Hargeisa in comparison. Yusuf Dahir Pictures Just showing these pictures without putting them into context puts some people who have a guilty concscience to get all spooked. 2. Whether Somaliland residents took the lion's share in fighting for greater Somalia in 77, or that ethiopian MIG's bombed it is but a foot note on history. Its neither here nor there, its the past. The present and the future is what is at stake. Alxamdulilah the future is bright, as you can see from those pictures. 3. Lois, you are entitled to your opinion. Fortunately, you don't decide the fate of Somaliland, or your home city. The majority of your city, and the majority of Somaliland already decided their fate. Unfortunately for you, you are but the nation of Islam, a 5 percenter. 4. If you had any doubts, Somaliland's blood, soil, water, you name it, is more precious than anything else on this earth. If you rather live under the economic, political, educational embargo of yester years, and you can't wait to go all the way to Mogadishu for higher learning you may do so. That is your perogative, but I'll go to mogadishu as a tourist, enjoying the beach.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Many of them are hard working Jareerweyne people who were farmers and forcefully taken their farms by some merciless bililiqo iyo xaaraan ku nool ah; they speak Afmaay because the deegaans they lived, such as interior Jubbooyinka, were spoken Afmaay and naturally hence adopted the language, same as those who were airlifted to Mareykanka, now called 'Soomaali Bantu' whose main language is Afmaay. Our moderator is using clan names, yet he has edited this very thread for clan names. Ma anaa waalan mise cadan baa laga heesayaa? P.S. This topic is a non issue, people will live wherever they are safe. If Somalis from Somalia Proper were not safe in Somaliland they wouldn't continue to live there. Lets not blind ourselves.

There are a great number of people who proclaim they are doing a service to address the dire conditions of the masses. They can have many titles, positions, political persuasion, what have you, yet the bottom line is their inability to produce any tangible results. I recently came across the below article, and I thought I should share it with every one as it can depict the situation of any town in the Somali Peninsula. The below article speaks of the lack of development in Lascanood. Although the article tries to explain the many reasons, it has side stepped the biggest one. This being, the lack of leadership that has left this town to not reach its full potential; case in point, the traditional chief is vacationing in Europe while the populace continue to hack it away in disillusionment. We get a few photo-ops on his journey, for what nobody knows. What will he bring back? Will he lead his people to prosperity? Will all the competing NGO’s and the like who say they represent the town actually do the bidding of their people or the bidding of their stomach? I’d say this is not isolated incident, it has become routine for so called officials to carry begging bowls across the western world, all in the name of helping Somalis. When will this stop? I don’t know, but I think its time we said not in our names. The article I’m alluding to can be found here: http://www.jidbaale.com/fullpage.php?sscid=3644&PHPSESSID=32dfe5b1dc57ee58b62e91bfe4b656f4 Horumarka Gobolka Yaa Hortaagan? - Ismaacil Ducaale Aftaag

Walaac Anigoo ku seexday maxaan walabahaar la toosay wareer anigoo la liita maxaan werwer jiifi waayey. Maxaan sida weer cadhaysan saqaa dhexe gaaf wareegay intuu waqal ii hillacay maxaan kula rooray weelka u baydhay wadiiqo leexsan wakhtigu i tilmaami waayey. Jacaylku muxuu i wiiqay muxuu wadnahayga shiilay maxaan shimbiraha waraystay u dhiibay waraaq daboolan haaddii wacdigayga qaaday cid wey i tidhaahda waayay. Waayeel dadoow inaan waalanahay duni weer sidoo weligeed dhintoo wacadkiyo xadhkii weydaarataan weetaynayaa Wadeeco maxaan ilaashay waraabe kasoo xareeyey sac weyda maxaan u dhaanshey Walwaal uga soo arooray halkiisa kusoo waraabshey maxaan weli soo kaxeeyey wadaaddo maxaan u yeedhay u loogay wankayga fiican Waxyeello halkay u taallo naftayda maxaan ka waanshey walaalkay niman u haystay muxuu waddo ii fadhiistay qof aan wehelkayga mooday ka qayba galay weerarkayga ruuxaan la wadaagay cunto ku wiirsaday dhiilladayda Waayeel dadoow inaan waalanahay duni weer sidoo weligeed dhintoo wacadkiyo xadhkii weydaarataan weetaynayaa Maxaan wacdaraha adduunka u soo jiray waayaheeda warkeeda la ii dhammeeyey maxaa waran layla doonay habeennimo layla waayey nasiib kayga ku waaberiistay maxaa dabin lay wareejey wedkayga la ii shir-qoolay maxaa dacar lay walaaqay waabaay ku caafimaaday Maxaa wacad layla qaatay rumaystay Walaahi beena maxaan webiyaal is jiidhay dhexdooda ka waab samaystay wanaag anigoo sameeyey maxay wadhi ii danbaysay Waayeel dadoow inaan waalanahay duni weer sidoo weligeed dhintoo wacadkiyo xadhkii weydaarataan weetaynayaa

Originally posted by HornAfrique: ...TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE RIGHT... ...against a clan, ... ... and primarily against one clan... I'm assuming that if my experiences were laid side by side with yours, I would have suffered and seen more tragic things then you would have. 1. I don't see where the wrong is by going after individuals. You do the crime you do the time. If that is not possible you pay the price. 2. Now I know why you're obsessed with clan, it’s because your whole outlook is based on clan. 3. Horn don't let Odweyne get to you, you deserve sympathy too. You're a human being too! I don't get why all Somalis take a dump on you. You've suffered so much, why can't people see the light. Happy New Year people!

Its Ramadan. I'm fasting at this particular moment, and I know that Allah is most just. However, I'll go one step further than Suldaan and Pray to Allah that Gaani's flesh tastes eternal Hell Fire. Amiin to that! P.S. Allah hears the prayers of the faithfull!

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Salaan... So one of the listeners, my uncle perhaps, said and I quote: " Soomaali, Max'ed Siyaad Barre iyo kacaankiis waa u darsan doonaan, maalintee ahaataba ." Ever make up your mind on your own or is it always some one told me! At this rate you're going to run out of people to tell you stuff!

Aeryn Sun, Is this the making of our own Somali Urban Legends? I remember one, men don't wear gold because if they do they develop a heart attack. lol I swear I told that to one of my chemistry teachers back in highschool. She was like, are you kidding, gold is one of the most stable metals around.

This matter is absolutely repugnant. It is not the first time that a member of law enforcement has done unfathomable deeds. Lets be vigilant and make sure it is the last. I pray the courts, as the story unfolds do their duty and handle this matter as they have done the case below where they executed one police officer and imprisoned another for 21 years. 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Waxaa xalay saqdii dhaxe Gurigooda lagu weerayay Qoys gabooye ah oo deganaa magaalada Hargaysa nabadna ku seexday, Falkan Argagixiso ee qoyska lagu qaaday waxaa lagu Dilay Gabadh Aroos noqon lahayd usbuuca soo socda waxaana lagu dhaawacay Hooyadeed iyo Ina-adeerkeed oo ay wada Deganaayeen gabadha la dilay. kuwaas oo Rasaas la Dhaceen laba nin oo ka tirsan ciidamada nabad galyada (Police) ee magaalada Hargaysa., waxaa sidoo kale ku dhaawacmay mid ka mid ah Dablaydii weerarka gardarrada ah ku layaay Qoyskaa waxanay ahaayeen laba Nin oo Bilayska Hargaysa ah, kuwaas oo hada Gacanta Dowlada Somaliland ku hayso. 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Ramadan Kariim to all!

Leave it to dumb and dumber, to be the ones who shed light on this story from the annals of the tabloids. For the sane Somalis, there are a number of reasons this story is completely fraud. Just from glancing at the picture, you can tell it does not display a typical interior design of a house in Marca. That alone should have you stop dead in your tracks. Truth be told, this girl lives some where in Ontario. She is simply playing pretend. Just like how some children play doctor! Dumb and dumber, I can assist you take your revenge on the one who got her pregnant. The culprit is none other than her play husband! Enjoy the photo!