^^Oodweyne, you are really embarrassing yourself here by speaking from an ignorance that is too deep to even estimate. Mintid has been shown to be a simpleton and his pseudo analysis on the situation could not change it to his favor. Consider Kismayo a political reality, and move on, you gain nothing by wishing it away.

^^I share that view too. He is a tested leader whose time has come.

Oodweyne;941242 wrote: So, Xiin, you don't think what the powers that be think of what Somaliland is has anything to do with whether she becomes an independent state or not? No I think the IC has a very significant role in Somali politics today. I believe however that short of cooperation from Somalis themselves, the IC has no stomach to Balkanize Somalia. What you are conveniently forgetting is there is a documented dispute in that region. And even if we assume Hassan is sympathetic to your cause there is nothing he can do practically on the ground about Puntland's stance or Khatumo's stance on what Somaliland is.

^^No. At this point, Ahmed Madoobe seems to have it in the bag. Gandhi is an intellectual and a man with a grand vision for South Somalia. I am sure he will have a important portfolio within the resultant administration in Kismayo.

^^I admitted the new profile. Not sure what else you want me to acknowledge You are still the three mothers that declared independence 21 years ago. ps. Funny thing is Oodweyne is ready to harass me about pictures about Somaliland while he is unable to see the Jubbaland progress, it is also funny he is no longer dismissive about IC

Mintid Farayar;941226 wrote: outside of the 'significant' humanitarian aid the Turks have donated to Somalia in the past year or so, I don't see much signs of any serious developmental aid the Turks have given thus far. But Faroole seems to feel otherwise! And you want us to take you serious

NGONGE;941227 wrote: ^^ And again, "activitaing" the Imam will lead to confrontation between him and the president. The appearance of prolonged confrontation in Somalia will only go to advance the SL case (more now than in the 22 years previously). Surely the only way open to anyone opposed to SL's goals is to appease Hassan Sheikh. Still, the question is what is more important for Hassan Sheikh and his opponents; winning the "internal" struggle or stopping SL! Ensuring the territorial integrity of the country is and has been a priority. Internal political struglles however will continue as they must in Somaliland, Puntland and in the South.

Oodweyne, In Hawd parlance, there is a credible threat against any partition of Somalia. Period. In other words, Somalia's dismemberment will result in a conflict that no one in the region has stomach for. So what we are worried about is not necessarily a partition per se, it is the notion of 3 mere Mothers sitting down with world powers as an equal party to the Federal Government in Mogadishu . That is the profile I was speaking about. There is nothing I can do to dissuade you from this delusion of Somaliland becoming an independent country.

There is no disagreement between the three countries

^^Well, the man is not in charge of the whole country. Not yet. Matters pertaining Somalia's territorial integrity cannot be decided by one man. But it does not bode well for him that he is being played like he has , by an old, senile man like Siilaanyo We have activated the Imam in Garoowe, who up to this point has been very diplomatic in his dealings with Mogadishu. Keep your ears on the ground waryaa. We are concluding the Jubbaland project in the 5 -10 days insha allaah.

^^Khatumo must be doing good, if they are blamed for Caynabo attack

^^Well, I am not sure your advise is particularly helpful in this situation. Somaliland is one factor in a complex equation. We have a good track record of dealing with this region, and I am very hopeful (with reason) that we will deal with them in a very effective way. Hassan Sheekh has his own game plan. Up to this point, it is NOT clear to me what that game plan is. From what I can tell, the old man (Siilaanyo) played him very well, and left him behind, buried in diplomatic dust. Separatist = 1, Unionist = 0. But we only played 14 minutes.

^^Sabaax Al nuur , mzee NGONGE I am a reasonable person (unlike our brothers in the North). I admit that Somaliland significantly gained a profile that it did not have prior to Ankara meeting. Especially the Cameron meeting was a bit worrisome . But the fundamentals of the challenges facing Somaliland has not changed where it matters the most---on the ground. And the unionists are recalibrating their strategies as we speak. The goal is not and has never been to block Somaliland region's development or harm its security, the goal is to ensure Somalia's territorial integrity. Jubbaland baa na mashquulisay , belooyo ha la tagtee

painful history of the past does not justify current injustices and transgressions against Khaatumo regions by Hargeysa administration

Complicated;941168 wrote: Aff iyo qoraalada forumyada lagu qoro hadii dab lagu hurin karo XX mar horuu arliga Soomaali oo dhan dab qabadsiin lahaa. Allow ummadan wareersan kala socodsii :D xaaji habaar always give the game away by praying too loud against Puntland

Faroole somehow always manages to feature prominently in any reer waqooyi conversation/discussion . What gives? Ka barta. This is how you play politics. The Turks will come in a hurry to Garoowe, to explain their absence or face serious trust deficit in 1/3 of Somalia (waa inteenniiye ).

^^It appears you are giving up on Mogadishu and Gedo. What happened? Kismaayo: Madaxweynaha Jubbaland oo la dooran doono wixii ka danbeeya saddexda beri ee soo socota (Dhageyso Wareysi) April 22, 2013 Kismaayo: (pp)- Waxaa maanta lagu xareeyey Jaamacadda Magaalada Kismaayo Odoyaashii soo xuli lahaa ergeyda beelaha ee dooran lahaa Madaxweynaha Maamulka Jubballand State, kuwaas oo %80 la xareeyey sida uu Puntlandpost u sheegey caawa Gudoomiyaha Guddiga Farsamada shirka kismaayo C/qani Axmed jaamac. Dhegeyso: Waraysiga Puntlandpost ay ka qaaday Guddoomiyaha Guddiga Farsamada Shirka Kismaayo Jubbaland oo ku jirta qaban qaabo doorasho http://www.puntlandpost.com/pp/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Wareysi-Gudoomiyaha-Gudiga-Farsamada-Shirka-Kismayo-1.mp3 Jubbaland oo ku jirta qaban qaabo doorasho C/qani waxa uu sheegey in hadda dhismaha maamulka Jubballand uu marayo marxaladihii ugu danbeyey , iyadoo uu xusey in laga soo gudbey wajigii koowaad iyo kii labaad, ayna harsan yihiin oo kaliya wajigii saddexaad oo noqonaya mid lagu dooranayo Madaxweynaha Jubbaland iyo Midkii Afaraad oo lagu dhameystiri doono dhamaan hay,adihii dowlada sida Baarlamanka iyo Xukumada. Odoyaasha maanta lagu xareeyey xarunta Jaamacada Kismaayo ayaa la filayaa beri galinka danbe inay guddo galaan qeybsiga xubnaha ergooyinka,oo laga doonayo in ay muddo saddex cisho gudahood kusoo xushaan ergeyda u meteli doonta doorashada Madaxweynaha Jubbaland oo noqoneysa tirada laga rabo 500 oo xubnood balse hadda la doonayo 485 xubnood inay qeybsadaan odoyaasha beeluhu. Waxaana uu sheegey inay 15 xubnood oo ka mid ah ergeyga 500 boqol ee Madaxweynaha dooraneysa ay iyagu ka guddi ahaan keyd u dhigteen, si ay ugu xaliyaan wixii buuq ama kiis cabasho oo ka yimaada marka odoyaasha beeluhu soo xulaan 485-ta xubnood. C/qani Axmed waxa uu intaas ku darey horey beeluhu u haysteen sharciga tilmaamaya sida ay wax u qeysanayaan , kuwaas oo ku qeybsan doono Degmooyinka iyo Gobolada ay kasoo jeedaan, islamarkaana beel walba ama cid walba oo deegaanka ah wixii xaq ay u leedahay aysan cidna duudsiin karin. Guddiga Farsamada ee Shirka Kismaayo ayuu sheegey C/qani in uu yahay Guddi dhex dhexaad ah oo aanan qofna garabsiineyn ,iyadoo sidoo kalena ay jiraan ilaa 7 guddi oo ka shaqeeya arrimaha shirarka iyo dhismaha maamulka Jubbaland.

http://www.gabiley.net/files/images/20130419091328.jpg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> There it is. A simple picture did it :D Pictures are very powerful. I am tempted to write a piece about the strategy of using them as a leverage. Haddaan sawir kula galo , shirka ma imaanaysaa

http://www.hadhwanaagnews.com/ Mar haddii Britian hab dawladeed inagu qaabishay Somaliland haka qayb gasho shirka London. Guulaha diblamasiyadeed ee somaliland ay gaadhay ayaa iska soo daba dhacay haddaba Wasiirka Wasaaradda Madaxtooyada Somaliland Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan, ayaa faahfaahin ka bixiyey kulan habeen-hore dhex-maray Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland Md. Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) iyo Raysal-wasaaraha dawladda Ingiriiska Mr. David Cameron, isla markaana waxa uu sheegay inay labada Masuul ka wadahadleen arrimo dhawr ah oo uu ka mid yahay ka qaybgalka Shirka Soomaaliya loogu qabanayo magaalada London 8-da bisha May 2013-ka, oo uu Madaxweyne Siilaanyo hore u qaaddacay. Wasiir Xirsi oo shalay u warramay Laanta Afka Soomaaliga ee Idaacadda BBC-da, waxa uu sheegay in Raysal-wasaaraha dalka Ingiriisku David Cameron uu habeen-hore ku qaabbilay Xafiiskiisa Lambar 10 downing Street Madaxweynaha Somaliland Axmed-Siilaanyo oo maalmihii u dambeeyey socdaal ku Safar ku joogay magaalada London ee xarunta waddanka Ingiriiska. Wasiirku waxa uu sheegay in kulankaasi labada hoggaamiye ay kaga wadahadleen sidii loo sii adkayn lahaa wax wada-qabsiga labada dal oo ah mid soo jireen ah. ?Raysal-wasaaraha Ingiriiska iyo Madaxweynaha Somaliland waxay runtii kulankooda isku weydaarsadeen horumarinta iyo xidhiidhka ka dhaxeeya labada dal.? Sidaa ayuu yidhi Wasiirka Madaxtooyada Somaliland. Wasiir Xirsi waxa uu intaasi ku sii ladhay oo uu yidhi; ?Raysal-wasaaruhu waxa uu ka dalbaday Madaxweynaha inay Somaliland ka soo qeyb-gasho shirka uu London Ingiriisku ku qabanayo 8-da May ee Soomaaliya loo qabanayo. Madaxweynaha Somaliland waxa uu Raysal-wasaaraha u qaddimay mawqifkayagii oo ah inaanay Somaliland shirka ka soo qeyb-galaynin haddii ay tahay Madaxweynaha iyo haddii ay tahay madaxda kale ee Qaranka ee uu kala tashaday-ba, waxaanu u sheegay in Qarankayagu uu ka tashaday oo uu shirkaasi ka gaadhay go?aan ah inaan laga qeyb-gelin.? Mar uu Wasiirka Madaxtooyada Somaliland Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan ka hadlayey sida ay Madaxweyne Siilaanyo iyo Raysal-wasaare Cameron weedho ay dhawr jeer isku-cel-celiyeen, waxa uu yidhi; ?Markii uu Madaxweynuhu arrintaasi u sheegay waxa uu mar iyo laba-ba Raysal-wasaaraha Ingiriisku ka dalbaday Madaxweynaha inay mawqifkoodaasi dib u eegaan, maaddaama oo ay duni badani ka soo qeyb-galayso shirka, Somaliland-na ay tahay ciddii ay isugu dhawaayeen oo aanu miiska Somaliland madhnaan ee haddii ay ku adag tahay inay ka soo qeyb-galaan ay ka fikiraan sidii ay goob-jooge ugu soo diri lahaayeen. Madaxweynuhuna waxa uu ugu hal-celiyay maadaama oo Somaliland iyo Ingiriiska saaxiibtinimo qoto-dheeri ka dhaxeyso, waanu qiimaynaynaa, laakiin arrintani waa go?aan guud ahaan Qarankaygu isku wada raacsan yahay wixii talo ahna uu ku soo celin doono go?aan-se muu siinin.? Wasiirka Madaxtooyadu waxa uu sheegay inaanu Madaxweyne Axmed-Siilaanyo waxba ka beddelin mowqifkiisii hore, hase-yeeshee, Wasiirku wuxu xusay in Madaxweyne Siilaanyo oo ixtiraamaya Raysal-wasaaraha Ingiriiska uu ugu jawaabay inuu ka soo fikirayo, isla markaana talo kula noqon doono Qaranka Somaliland. Xirsi waxa uu sheegay in kulanka labada Hoggaamiye uu qaatay muddo ku siman 25 daqiiqadood, isla markaana uu Raysal-wasaaruhu ku mashquulsanaa aaskii Qaran ee Raysal-wasaarihii hore ee Ingiriiska oo Arbacadii lagu aasay London, haddana uu si niyadsami ah u qaabbilay oo uu fursad u siiyay Madaxweynaha Somaliland. Wasiirka Madaxtooyadu waxa uu xusay in Raysal-wasaaruhu Madaxweynaha u sheegay in Somaliland haddii ay aqbasho shirkan ay kaga soo qeyb-geli doonto meeqaam dawladeed, isla markaana Baratakool iyo maamuus sare lagu soo dhaweyn doono. ?Raysal-wasaaruhu waxa uu Madaxweynaha u sheegay in shirkan ay ka soo qeyb-geli doonaan illaa 55 dawladood oo adduunka ka kala socda, isla markaana Baratakoolka dawladahaasi ku imanayaan mid la mid ah la siin doono Somaliland.? Sidaa ayuu yidhi Wasiirka Madaxtooyada Somaliland Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan.

lol @ Xaglo Toosiye enhancing Scandinavian relations with separatist administration kuwaan waa ka dhammaatay

Oba is an ignorance at work. He thinks Gedo folks are in Kismayo for bililiqo---confusing politics between kins with the haraam based political capital in Mogadishu he and others are reduced to defend day out and day in. Waryaa, it is simple, dadka xoolihiisa haku xisaabtamin, ee adigu xoogso

Furtaba e This shows the volatility of the region.

Somalia: Minister details the killing of Somaliland intelligence chief 18 Apr 18, 2013 - 10:51:27 AM AYNABO, Somalia Apr 18 2013 (Garowe Online) – The breakaway region of Somaliland’s Interior Minister Mohamed Nur Araale stated that 16 people were arrested for the jailbreak that killed a Somaliland intelligence chief, Garowe Online reports. Minister Araale stated at a press conference in Hargeisa that Somaliland authorities have arrested 16 men who have been charged with conspiring to free two men who had been jailed in Aynabo jail station for a grazing land dispute issue. “In the city of Aynabo at the local jail station a group of armed men stormed the jail station forcefully freeing two men from their clan. Luckily there were armed forces who were operating in the area and heard the gunshots and rushed to the scene, successfully arresting 16 armed men who participated in the jailbreak,” said Minister Araale’s on Tuesday’s meeting. Saraar region Intelligence Chief Ahmed Aydid was killed in the jailbreak also two correction officers were injured. Minister Araale stated that the cause of the arrest of the two was because of a grazing land dispute. “There were four men arrested for a grazing land dispute that occurred between two clans that live in that area,” said Minister Araale. He stated that the jailbreak did not have any relation to a recent land dispute over oil exploration in the area.

Awaawe, weligaa taariikhda lagama tago haddaad wax qorsheynayso, dadka qaarbaan waxkasta lagu dayin , waan go aynaa ma xuma, ee yaad la go'eysaa ? So ragga SOOL , Sanaag, iyo Togdheer qabytood degan ma ogid inaysan rag sahlan ahayn oo taariikh dheer leh. Waxaad la firirig leedahay labaatan sano markii horaad sal fudayd ,iyo heeso aad isu tirisay wax ku bilowday Naaleeye Habacsane remains an apt analogy for the mirth that is Somaliland 'foreign policy'

^^Indeed. Another miscalculation apparent in the analysis of some in the forum is that if Kenya or Ethiopia pulls out of Jubbaland the whole thing would vanish and the region will submit to Mogadishu decrees. It is pity really to see Odey Xaad's cuqdad manifest in this forum with an intellectual garb .