^^I don't get your point these days. Are you complaining about the D block?

The first questioner asks a truly Somali question :D

^^LOL I guess reasoning is the enemy now.

Good for Amino to assume this top post. For the excitable folks : Kenya is not Somalia

I stopped reasoning with Mintid . Oodweyne, we all have our tea party varieties whether they are based in Kenya, Ethiopia, Europe, NA or Somalia. Your protest is therefore unwarranted. The D block is politically resurgent so brace yourself for polarizing forums in the genre of SAHAL and like.

Northern Forum for Democracy is a human right and democracy forum based at Garissa Oodweyne is bit hasty with his indictment , this is a Kenyan forum.

What’s the Difference Between McVeigh and Tsarnaev? By ANDREW ROSENTHAL The federal government managed to hunt down, arrest, charge, try, convict and execute Timothy McVeigh without junking due process. When Jared Lee Loughner attempted to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and shot dead a federal judge and a 9-year-old, grandstanding lawmakers did not demand that he be taken into military custody. Nor did they make that demand when James Holmes was arrested for killing 12 people and wounding 70 others at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater. But now Senator Lindsey Graham is calling for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to be classified as an enemy combatant and “held and questioned under the law of war,” without a lawyer. What’s the difference? The Boston Marathon bombings are closer to the colloquial and legal definitions of terrorism than the Aurora shooting, but not the Oklahoma bombing, or the Arizona attack. The real difference is that Mr. Tsarnaev is a Muslim, and the United States has since the 9/11 terrorist attacks constructed a separate and profoundly unequal system of detention and punishment that essentially applies only to Muslims. Mr. Graham and others who are demanding that prosecutors treat Mr. Tsarnaev differently from Mr. McVeigh are not even trying very hard to disguise the fact that they’re drawing distinctions based on religion and ethnicity. “You can’t hold every person who commits a terrorist attack as an enemy combatant, I agree with that,” Mr. Graham said. “But you have a right, with his radical Islamist ties and the fact that Chechens all over the world are fighting with Al Qaeda.” There is no known evidence of “radical Islamist ties.” As Senator Dianne Feinstein said on Fox News on Sunday, “This came at this point from two individuals. That’s what we really do know. We do not know what their connections are.” The younger Mr. Tsarnaev is an American citizen. He came here as a child, and never traveled to Chechnya. To repeat: The argument that we should treat Mr. Tsarnaev as an enemy combatant boils down to his religion and his ethnic origin. This is the kind of logic that led the United States to imprison Japanese-Americans during World War 2, and to far worse acts of ethnically and racially motivated violence in other countries. Should the Boston police be rounding up every Chechen who lives in the area and turning them over to the military for questioning? If Mr. Tsarnaev is guilty of the bombings, then he committed a heinous crime, an act of terrorism under American law for which there are severe penalties, including execution. The federal judicial system has put hundreds of people into America’s toughest prisons on charges exactly like the ones he is likely to face. The Supreme Court ruled in 2004, in the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, that the United States has the right to hold an American citizen as an enemy combatant — when he is captured on a battlefield in another country. The author of that decision, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, went out of her way to mention the “narrow” applicability of the ruling. So far, the White House and the Justice Department have said they will charge and try Mr. Tsarnaev in federal court. They have said they will not treat him as an enemy combatant. That is the right course. 2:16 p.m. | Updated The Times is reporting that Mr. Tsarnaev will be tried in civilian court. He was charged on Monday with one count of “using and conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction” against persons and property within the U.S. resulting in death, and one count of “malicious destruction of property by means of an explosive device resulting in death.” http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/22/whats-the-difference-between-mcveigh-and-tsarnaev/

Oodweyne, Awoowe lets not go down that path ---the nonsense of borrowing muscles. Alas, the very SNM you almost worship were indeed equipped by the very country you are accusing A Yusuf to have sought assistance from. Problem with you is you are driven by emotions, and you fail to reason rationally. Egal was a prime minister of Somalia, propped by Abdirashid Sharkmarke. Ragga magaca weyn iyo hartaan kaala dhigay meele'e Ministerada waa taan ka dhigay habar magaadley'e He was an orator as most of you are , and skill full politician. But when the real test of leadership came, he miserably failed ---he was a transactional leader, reflecting the will and wish of the masses, and not necessarily char-ting a new course for them. His legacy today is a twenty one year phantom state with chronic internal political challenges, facing legal and geopolitical brick wall against dismemberment. No foresight, as always, the excitement and exuberance carried the day with no workable plan. On A Yusuf, I disagreed with the man on fundamental issues. But he led a fleeing masses, founded a state, rose to the national leadership, disarmed the Mogadishu warlords, and in the first time occupied the presidential palace --- the seat of the national governance. Granted it was taboo then to have a foreign support---but today the very Ethiopian troops that were hated and fought against are what sustain our current government in Beledweyne , Gedo, Bakool, and Baydhabo. Only a clannist can find a distinction without a difference in such political reality. Jubbaland is story of a political concept that is orchestrated in a manner I am sure you are envy of. Don't be the proverbial fox and the forbidden garden

Oodweyne, Your analogy would have been quite fitting if this wasn't a trend- we are not talking about the usual one liners or a passing commentary here and there. We are talking about a pattern. It is bordering obsession. At times , it comes across as though our brothers in the North stopped reading Somaliland news , and read only news portals that heavily report on Southern matters. So it is not an empty argument- but it is tricky one as it requires a deep soul searching and reexamination

^^I agree Haatu is pragmatist--he appreciates the fine art of politics. Who wouldn't appreciate the beauty of federalism game in Somalia. Oodweyne, A Yusuf, however one disagrees with him, was a transformational leader. He was not a mere transactional as Siilaanyo is. He dared to dream big and change Somalia. And he did. You can debate about the means he utilized and casualties he left behind. But that is what it means to be a leader. Don't look any further, your reference to him day in and day out signifies his historical impact on Somali politics. He did not die Mohamed Farah's death, he died big with dignitaries coming from near and far. You have to yet produce an equal Hanibal like him. So stop talking about the dead waryaa. Now as far as Kismayo goes, yours was and still is nothing more than an expression of raw emotion about those whom you still hold accountable for your political wounds. It is unbecoming from a man of Hawd like you, that you still carry the scars of yesteryear's wars. Move on, and accept the political genius that is Kismayo.

Oodweyne, The question is why our separatists brothers are so obsessed with federalism and federal states? Why are they so fond to talk about Jubbaland and Puntland? The poster has made an excellent observation about this trend. The questions are asked in a very civil way. Number of separatists brothers has shown up in the post, only to go on a tangent, and when subjected to Illyria's rigorous and unforgiving queries, they either exited or in the case of Xaaji Habaar started farting about Youtube clips You have it in you awoowe, so can you be the first taker of Illyria's question?

^^LOL Even Haatu has become passionate about it, after his initial uncertainty has been alleviated. But Oodweyne helplessly watches as those whom he despises rise from the South---not any South, the most important region in the South.

^^In hindsight, do you think you misread the dynamics of Jubbaland initiative? After all, your writings are well preserved in this fora insisting the whole thing was sham and certain political groupings would kill it . Awoowe, this is not an Oodweyne politics where songs and radio interviews mobilize the masses and make them come out in anger

So triangle folks on this fora cannot answer very simple question pertaining to Somaliland while they are obsessed with Jubbaland and Faroole

^^LOL Oodweyne, it appears, is losing hope. His last post is troublesome as it shows that the old man is inching toward joining Xaaji Habaar's praying congregation against Jubbaland.

Gaandhi has secured a golden page in Jubbaland history --no elections can take that one away from him. But Modabe has shown a very impressive leadership qualities. He was the governor of this region under the Islamic Courts before. When alshabaab emerged as the dominant military and political force in the South he was the only leader who defied them and fought them. And regarding current initiative, he was able to bring all communities in the region under the Kismayo tent. He deserves to be given a chance to continue that leadership.

Shirweynaha Kismaayo ayaa soo socday labadii bolood u danbaysay,xilligan waa gabagabo,dowladda federaalka Somaliya weli waxba iskama bedelin mawqifkay ku diidanayd shirkaas maamulka loogu samaynayo Jubaland. Ugu danbayn Jubaland oo buuxiyey shuruudaha Dastuurka federaalka ee ah hanaaka loo marayo dhisitanka dowalad goboleedyada ayaa tusaale u noqon doona gobollada koonfurta iyo bartamaha Somaaliya oo ay noqon markii ugu horaysay oo gobollo ka ku yaala ay dhistaan maamul.

Sida ay qorsheyeen Saxaafaddana ay u shegeen Guddiyada maamulaya shirweynaha maamul u samaynta Jubaland ee Kismaayo ka socda waxaa maalinmada Arbacada ah taariikhduna ku beegan tahay 24,April,2013 la dooran doona Madaxweynihii ugu horeeyey ee hogaamin lahaa Jubaland State of Somalia.

Arbacada ayaa la dooran doono Madaxweynaha Jubaland iyo qabanqaabada oo Kismaayo ka socota(Warbxin) 22. april 2013 Sida ay qorsheyeen Saxaafaddana ay u shegeen Guddiyada maamulaya shirweynaha maamul u samaynta Jubaland ee Kismaayo ka socda waxaa maalinmada Arbacada ah taariikhduna ku beegan tahay 24,April,2013 la dooran doona Madaxweynihii ugu horeeyey ee hogaamin lahaa Jubaland State of Somalia. U diyaar garow-ga doorashada madaxtinimada Jubaland ayaa si weyn looga dareemayaa Kismaayo,waxaana socda olale balaaran oo ay wadaan Murashaxiinta u tartamaya xilka Madaxweynaha iyo ku xigeenkiisa. Amaanka magaalada Kismaayo ayaa la adkeeyey waxaana saraakiisha ciidamada Kismaayo ay soo saareen amaro lagu adkaynayo nabad gelyada si ay doorashadu ugu dhacdo si haboon oo kalsooni ku jirto. Salaadiinta,siyaasiyiinta iyo guddiyada maamulaya shirka ayaa ku guulaystay xulista ergooyinka codaynaya,iyadoo habka wax qaybsiga ergooyinkana lagu saleeyey hab deegaan sida muuqatana ay ku wada qanceen dadka ku dhaqan gobollada maamulkan dhisnaya. Dhisitaanka Jubaland oo muddo badan laga soo shaqaynayey ayaa dadka la socda siyaadeeda waxay sheegayaan in guul laga gaaray hidisahaas,sabab ayay uga dhigayaan meel marintii Dastuurka oo xoojinaysa taaba galka saraynta sharciga,khilaaf la’aanta awood qaybsiga ergooyinka wax dooran doona iyo kuraasta Baarlamaanka uu dib laga soo dhisayo balse intay noqon donaan lagu hishiiyey. Arrinta kele oo bari taartay himiladan ah dhistaanka Jubaland xilli ay jirto qaadacadda DF Somaaliya ayaa lagu sheegayaa inay tahay rabitaanka dadweynaha ku nool gobollada Jubooyinka iyo Gedo oo 22-sano la soo dhaafay soo maray marxalad adag oo iskugu jirta,colaad,barakac iyo dhibaatooyin kele goostayna inay qabsadaan shir ay kaga tashanayaan aayahooda. Dhacadan lagu dhisayo Jubaland oo ah marxalad taariikhiya ayaa laga dhur sugayaa habka loo dhisayo hay’adaha dowliga ah oo ay ugu horayso doorashada Madaxweynaha oo ay u ordayaan rag aan badnayn oo siyaasadda ku soo jiray iyo ku cusuba. Shirweynaha Kismaayo ayaa soo socday labadii bolood u danbaysay,xilligan waa gabagabo,dowladda federaalka Somaliya weli waxba iskama bedelin mawqifkay ku diidanayd shirkaas maamulka loogu samaynayo Jubaland. Ugu danbayn Jubaland oo buuxiyey shuruudaha Dastuurka federaalka ee ah hanaaka loo marayo dhisitanka dowalad goboleedyada ayaa tusaale u noqon doona gobollada koonfurta iyo bartamaha Somaaliya oo ay noqon markii ugu horaysay oo gobollo ka ku yaala ay dhistaan maamul.

^^Unfortunately, Xaaji Habaar, those 'certain people from particular corners' are the ultimate deciders of your fate, for they live in the regions you wish to secede with an elder in Mogadishu however sympathetic does not live in Sool or Sanaag and has no influence what so ever .

Separatists never cease to amaze ---they now think Somalia will recognize them

^^Very superficial indeed.

^^Not sure if you are reading what I am writing . I guess it is the Sal-Fudayd part in your gene that fails you. We are not in disagreement with respect to the role of international community, particularly the powers that be. All I am saying is there is no reason to expect that the powers that be will change their long standing strategy to treat Somalia as one country. The only change we see is an effort to revive that failed state. I think you are misreading the geopolitical reality, it does not permit an dismembered Somalia. If you really believe Somalis have nothing to do with Somaliland fate, then you are more delusional than I thought.

^^Of course if one succeeds to sell his version of argument to the powers that be, one can indeed move the needle as it were and advance his larger cause. However, despite the significant rise of Somaliland's profile in Ankara and London, and perhaps in Washington as well, the argument they are trying to sell is an old one , and I am not sure how they can square the circle in terms of legal precedent and regional political realities that are stacked against them. By any angle you look at it, the issue of Somaliland's separation will have to be decided by Somalis. And that is something you will find almost impossible to attain a favorable outcome from it.

^^Not really. Your excitement about Kismayo had you spin your wheels And you are still at it.