^^Interesting times, they indeed are. Perhaps these two parallel progresses is one way to sum up Bush’s changing landscape. Normally I would listen his speech, but this time I confidently ignored talac-talacdiisa as I thought anything short of a known timetable for US withdrawal would not sit well with these angry masses! FF, thanks for the article. Kashafa, where do you come down on this? If the insurgents succeed to drive away mighty America, do you not think theirs is worth to be marked?

^^Waxaadan ogeyn in dumarku MN uu 50% off yahay !

Muhammadow, inkastoo aan waqtigii digashada la gaarin haddana bal maxaa ku watay ma is tiri ! [EDITED].

^Yes it indeed does. Ishaad ka ridday,Muhammad, finding a good mentor is the way to go.

^^Perhaps you should read, good Kashafa, Ibnu Taymiya’s nullifiers of the nullifiers of Islamic creed (or some thing to that effect). Indict this man’s work, if you will, but don’t pierce his faith. As far as I know a person remains within the house of Islam as long he publicly pray and does nothing contrary to the pillars of his faith.

^^It was HA's comment, Faarax. Though I wouldn’t mind to witness (I can do the sanctioning as well, if need be) a virtual proposal as grand as yours, haddana Waxaan ka baqay in gabdhaha Kismayo la geeyo dee !

^^Wallaahi, harawsi waa dhammeysey !

^^This could be ‘kaftan-dhable’ piece of political satire . Castro, very difficult to say. But one thing he could do is get rid off the tribal names from his work. It does not add any value. He could still be creative and confrontational without reinforcing clannish stereotypes.

^^Good Castro, that saves our time. And she will sure find a lot of skeletons on that battle-ground.

^^What r u conflicted about?

Gays need no hormone treatment. They need not be locked up either. They represent a reality of social tendency that’s clear deviation from the norm. The Islamic prescription for all social ills has been containment, and not one of denial. Their practice must be censored from the public through harsh implementation of Islamic penal code. Simple. You don’t have to hate them. You don’t have to seek them. When they are ****** enough to expose their wicked practice to the public eye, eliminate them. Simple.

Togane speaks from his mind. He may mean good, and I think he does, but his style stinks. I enjoy reading his poems, as they are satire and humorous piece of literature. I think he is genuine in his efforts. And wants Somalia to revive again. But he needs to understand actualities on the ground. He does not have to use tribal names to convey his point. In fact, I can argue that he is taking us back in time as he is replicating the methods of our clannish culture. There are those who object him because of his style, which is frankly devoid of any consideration to the sensitivity of the people he addresses. They have a point. There are those who despise him as they see his work as an aide to the enemy. They failed to see his point and probably misread his work. They are clannishly motivated and will never understand any thing above it. They have no point. Lets separate these two distinct groups, i say. There is a big difference between them.

^^Adeer maxaan kaala doodaa? Ma siyaasada boolida kula gashay baad rabtaa inaad taariikh u yeeshid. Hal xaaraan ahi nirig Xalaal ah ma dhashaa? Showering praises on a man who contributed to the instability of that region speaks volumes of what your principles are. Clear is the version of history-ga aad hayn la’dahay ood la qar-qarasyo, ood rabto in Xiin kaa dhegeysto. Keep that for the consumption of your like minded ilk. But let me tell you this much; in the final analysis, Barre is insignificant nuisance to the question of Kismayo, a placeholder for the larger conflict, and a proxy war fighter. Hard to swallow but that is essentially the truth. Neither he nor his community is the beneficiaries of this land-grab. Marka saaxiib, sheekadaydu kama foga; Rag baan sharad ka furayee adiga kuma shiddeeyeene Shay-yadii adaan kuu ceshee sharac allee qaado ! Raggii caqiidkaan u socday adeer, adigu iska fago boolidaada. P.S: It is unfortunate that I smell to you Morgan. But I can understand that as he is the frame of reference from which you formulate your thinking!

^^Right Castro, assumption it still remains. LZ, it could be the case that Michael ladeen’s constructive destruction proposition is what will come out of this American military venture. The notion that America went in Iraq to take it back in time and delay its advancement in its weaponizing scheme is indeed tempting one. Especially when it’s explained in the light of Israel’s security interests in the region. After all, an Iraq that’s in chaos and unstable is beneficial to the Zionist regime. But let us look at other side of the coin though. America’s power used to emanate from the so-called international laws, if you think about it, and not from the size of its guns. The Bush administration, for some bizarre reason, has greatly under cut that soft power. The Iraq invasion has been the source for a growing tension between the powers of the west. America has been seen as a reckless power that has rocked the boat; a scofflaw that has shown little interest in preserving international arrangements. From the invasion of Iraq, to its conduct of the war on terror, and to the secret detention centers and the treatment of prisoners, America has no clothes. Today nations are distancing from American policies. Only nations that feel great about their closeness with this Bush Whitehouse are those in the middle east with few exceptions. Few others may fit in that category but generally speaking, America Is untenable position. Intaas waxaad ku dartaa Illaahay ceebtooda ma asturin. They can’t leave and neither can they stay. And don’t know what to do. This administration’s heavy reliance on the supremacy of its tomahawk missile has gained it very little respect. The demise of modern Iraq is worthy of our tears. But it seems America’s power too will fall right with it in that desert grave! And that should be some thing worthy of celebration.

HA, give up the loot saaxiib. Simple and straight. You’re one level up from Dhabad’s second-grade thinking, to be fair. But for you to think that the question of Kismayo is settled and the rule of Barre is legitimate is non-starter. The ilk you’re trying to distance from their reeking pillage are ironically your backers. The spin you intend to embark is also the one they have based their scheme. As you can see Barre’s position has become untenable and he is about to choose sides again. For me I don’t really care which one he chooses. What I passionately care is the fate of these southern towns and farms that has become the booty of this war. Adeer fallaari gil-gilasho kaagama harto. I am not sure about you but clearly the culture of looting that has been legacy of the late dictator is still fresh in Barre’s mind. It is intellectual dishonesty to frame the debate as a one where one is fighting for the safety of this city’s residents. That is a debate that I am not fond to indulge. You could boast about your clannish victories. You could tell me that Morgan’s ilk has been defeated. You could take a satisfying pride in the current political maneuvering of Kismayo gangs. But what you could not say with sanity is Kismayo is legitimaly held. Perhaps in your mind there is no legitimate rule in Somalia today :confused: ! Every thing is free for all. The reason I took issue with this latest political hype is because I had a hunch that Kismayo, and not Mogadishu, is the litmus test for the old man. It is only reasonable that I should hold judgment and see where this Kismayo thing goes. As for starting Kismayo debate, nay I say. As you rightly guessed, the reason is that because its not gonna be productive at all. But that does not mean I won't periodically pierce at your naked argument .

I vote nay. This site is good for foruming and debating; strengthening those ideas that make sense and shooting down those that are pure rubbish. Lets keep it that way. P.S: I didn't like men’s' section proposal either for a totally different reason .

Cut that crap, would you? the issue is not who has right to settel Kismayo, good Dhabad, rather it is who has legitimacy to rule. The days when Gaani used to rule Hargaisa in the name of Somalis could-live-and-rule –every-where in Somalia is long gone saaxiib! You have to have a matching numerical proportionality to satisfy your political ambitions saaxiib. You can’t just assemble couple hundred militias, seek alliance, capture a town, and claim the right to rule (frankly stay in its premises with your gangs) it. It does not work that way. Passage of time should not mislead you. The fact that Indhacadde and Barre got away with it does not make it right. If that is the way you think politics should be then you are older than me !

Lion-teaser, waxay Frenchigu ?

[Edit]:LZ and Castro, Celebrate victories, as they are view. Loses are plenty, and mournful we must be indeed.I am of the thought that if in fact full American withdrawal materializes it is a remarkable event that is worthy of celebration and, yes jubilation. After all it would be equivalent to the day when Iraq got independence from those English men. Show off your chest, I insist . Wordette , you’re excused from this chest showing parade. Yours is a lawful exempt . Faarax , take that shirt off man and try me, man . Try me, I say. Who told you Xiin’s is of the skinny type? Jaangow- ga aan cunnuusan war ka hayn. Bishaaro , join us sister. With your covered chest, that is. Thunderous clap is what I want from you Dhuubo! As for Wordette’s pleasant chest, yaa sheeg-sheeg ku yiri adiga . For the rest of you Pat-bashers, he is the man of the hour indeed. Perhaps you need to know seldom do you find a politician whose political platform you wholly agree. Immigration is a legitimate concern for white America. But the majority seems to have resigned to their ultimate fate. His is a weak shout. So give the man the credit he deserves.

^^Add that Buchanan has long been home before the masses felt the burden of this war. Anarchist you must be if it means rebel, as it some times used to mean. I, for the record, cant resist blowing the horns of jubilation about this looming defeat, if you can call that. I am tempted to show my chest off. Are you? Why not? Come to see my fireworks, good Castro .

Kashanre, I hate to steal your thunder, but your thrill is from the vapors of your mind! Kismayo was where A.Qasim and I parted ways. He failed to understand that cities like Kismayo, Baraawe, and Marka have owners who were expelled from it by force. He thought by supporting Barre and apposing Morgan simply because the first song government’s praises was the correct way to go. Hold the city under the TFG’s banner by any means, he reasoned, and let justice thing be taken care latter. If you talk about fairness now, he calculated, you’re risking Barre’s support and may never get Morgan on board. And so he announced his support to the man who won that city’s booty and took that side of the conflict. An opportunistic coward, who had no chance to restore law and order, is what he indeed was. Today I see some parallel in the old man’s approach. The irony is that he seems to have read A.Qasim’s page. Kismayo has been the litmus test for him. And the early returns do not seem promising at all. Instead of solving the problem and bringing some resolution to it, he seems to have resolved to hire Barre’s boys. If A.Qasim was brave enough to publicly announce where his support lay, his (the old man’s that is) is embarrassingly sheepish coy. To form alliance with Barre and declare war on Indhacadde is really making a distinction without a difference. Unless you’re clannish enough to not see for these men for what they are; thugs and scoffed laws who determined to preserve the booty they won and equally so. If Barre gets to keep his loot why not Indhacadde, I ask? Somalia’s conflict is rooted in resources (with the exception of Somaliland) and that is a very complex problem to solve. It needs a daring and bold approach, not the lip service tactic that the old man has taken so far. It starts to convince those whose political capital is invested in haraam that it need not be so. Any thing less than that is none starter,I say. But old habits die hard and the old man seems to have clinched back to his familiar norm ! What was I thinking before?

Though damage has already been done, I still get some pleasure, good Castro, when some one in the caliber of Buchanan lies bare, for all to see, how wrong this war was, has been, and still is. It is like ‘ I told you so thing’. That’s exactly what I told my American friends. Alas, time makes more converts than reason does. And caution always surrenders to fate. American hegemony is collapsing before our eyes. The Bush presidency is sinking even deeper, and the Republican boys have begun to abandon him. And when the Push came to shove even Clinton’s cowardice has been replaced with markedly opportunistic strength. The weakling Democrats are spinning and probably wish if they had never voted for it. The governors in the American heartland are tired of attending funerals for that region’s sons. As for the Buchanan and his antiwar articles, this man, I dare say, have solid principles. Iraq war, he thought, was hatched by an angry men who did not know what they were getting in to. It was hyped and promoted by dishonest media. Even if the war were to be won, it would be for Israel, and not for America, he said. If America continues to fight these anti-Islamic wars, Buchanan predicted, it (America that is) would slowly but surely come to its kill. Just like the Spanish bull. Just like the Spanish bull. Vote for Buchanan, good Castro.

^^A lampoon that failed to do its trick! Get back at it and see if you can come up with a one that can stick, saaxiib.

^^Good to see you Falxado. Castro, although this thread is tuned for apologetic tone, I saw no need for you to apologize (for me), as I understood your banter for what it was. That is not to say your bid to keep the peace was not needed but I would’ve preferred you continue to fight in a good way. I wanted to remain a spectator and observe how the exchange of intellectual brawls brings, as it often does, best out of you. Oh poor Castro , look the disappointment you’ve caused as you’ve hastily disarmed . It is another failed crop!

^^To admit mistakes and own up your shortcomings is a desirable quality indeed. To encourage such virtue and point out that we, as nomads, are in a deficit of it is also a good thing to do. That should be clear, good Castro . What’s not clear, how ever, is if you’re able to see that Paragon is not attempting to make a distinction without a difference. P.S: My little interjection could be a poor observation but opportunistic it was not.