Originally posted by Callypso: You really don't know how you determined that the Qur'an is the correct word of God and the others are false ? Really? Yaa Rabbi! Only God can make imperfect instrument work. Comprehension, saaxiib, Comprehension is in order here. You’re not getting the sequence right, saaxiib. You are inflicting your self the same exact wounds that JB has done on to himself. Before you determine which of Allah’s revealed books is correct, would it not be better for you to spend your intellectual energy to determine the existence of Allah first? If you dispute that Allah exists, is it not foolish to confuse your self as to which one of a non-existent (in your mind) entity’s product is good for you? As to how one realizes that Allah exists, and determines that this elegant universe has indeed a Maker, though common sense for some (including me), that I don’t know. I maintained. You see, good Calypso, I could have reasoned with you and attempted to give you Muslim philosophers take as to the proof of Allah’s existence. I could suggest you read, for instance, Faith and Reason by Ibn Rushd (Averroes). But I still think faith plays major role in all the Muslim philosophers reasoning. Faith in intelligible things, but not necessarily testable and demonstrable, is the art of believing Allah. A blessing.

Is he taking us back in time?

The story of Walwaal, and the pastoral elders of yesteryears. Interesting. Shame is how they lacked foresight. But today’s traditional elders hardly perfomed any better. Ma dhaxal baa beledu? Maasha dhibkaani naga hari waa. What do you think, good Vikings?

Nomads; The season of bounty and festivity is about to end. This Tuesday is the seal. As we celebrate the completion of the acts of Hajj, and reflect on the narrative of Prophet [edit] Ibraahiim in the Qur’an, let us be in a joyful mood, forget and forgive, repent from the past mischief, and restore harmony again. From where my heart supposed to be, Ciid Mubaarak to you all, I say. The party of Ciid is on.

lool@Abraar. Aamiin to all of that. Abraarey, Bishaaro caadi maahan ! Duhur cad bay damacday dagaal aanan ku tali gelin iney i geliso. May be she took the Somali adage dagaal gondahaagu ka dhashaa to the letter ! Walaahi waxaad isoo xasuusisay sheeko aan ka maqlay Soomaalida reer N Caroline; koox dhallinyro ah oo ka noolaatay pets food .

^^ It is Friday, saaxiib. Let the Muslims pray with peace. On a serious note, another creative writer, you are; a lot better than Atlas’s unintelligible piece, to be sure, but still a second grade thinking of sort. If you are in the business of proofing the existence of god false, with all means go right ahead, and I will be all ears. If however you want good Xiin to accept your sleepwalk on matters beyond your meager knowledge, that is, good JB, not going to happen. Having faith in Allah is a blessing saaxiib. I will pray for you to see the light. May Allah guide you to the correct path.

^^ Oo macnaheedu yahay?

Xoogsadow, it is true that Mogadishu needs some work and it would probably be the most beneficiary of this government if it works. But given the actualities on the ground, a number of steps ought to be taken before the seat of this government relocates to it. Though people truly feel they need government, some of them are not prepared to give up the booties they won, or so I think. The only way they will do otherwise is to force them. A fight. A reconciliation government, it follows, can’t fight its subjects this time in the midst of a large urban center such as Mogadishu. The problem of Mogadishu is a very complicated one. The issue of public and private properties is not easy one to solve. There are entities that have been serving this city (Islamic courts) that cannot be absorbed easily in to this government. Also you have armed businessmen and immoral warlords who are in cahoots of each other. Simply put, the problem of Mogadishu will probably take years to solve. But because it is difficult does not mean it is not surmountable. It can and must be tackled. I always believed reconciliation must be the first order of business in the process of bringing law and order in this city. There is also the lesson of AbdiQasim. Once he moved to Mogadishu he was confronted with hard choices; to fight the warlords in the midst of a large population center, or to helplessly watch the waning of his rule. The latter was his bitter choice. That could have been avoided had he relocated to Baidoba. Only Allah knows what would happen. But in hindsight, it seems a logical thing to have done (to move to Baidoba, that is). To repeat that mistake is not a wise thing to do. That’s my labo taano iyo kumi.

Originally posted by Bishaaro: Japanese Diet kulahaa! My deit consist of eating, eating and eating . All I really do is listen to what my body craves, and feed it that. Then have a shake or 2 a day and maybe some tuna, chicken or steak and just eat every 2-3 hours. Ha isoo marin . Eating, and eating ku lahaa !

Calypso, Let’s not chase, good Calypso, our tale and confuse our selves. The Qur’an is not alterable by US. Have never been and never will. The version we have now has divined guarantees to stay that way. I referred to the gradual revelation of Qur’an to give you the benefit of the doubt lest you meant it that way. That it is not mutable now is indeed the point! That is the distinction between science and the revealed knowledge! If you agree that it is not mutable now it deems your comparison rather fallacious. The analogy of proofing little green man in your refrigerator to that of proofing the existence of God is sheer simplicity, saaxiib. It is a meaningless proposition that reduces the subject of metaphysics to a worthless matter. Are you suggesting, good Calypso, that what’s not testable and provable is not to be reasonably believed? And how could you rationally effect a change in belief (in some thing that is not demonstrable) if you can’t definitively prove it false (its lack of existence)? That extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence is a reasonable benchmark. But what you consider evidence may not be the evidence I have. The big pang narrative may not contradict how this universe begun. But when a scientific thought that goes beyond what obtainable facts merit flies in the face of the revealed knowledge, in Xiin’s world the revealed truth takes precedent. As Ibnu Taymiyaa maintained, observable science does not contradict with sound Qur’an tradition. If that happen it would be due to lack of religious knowledge, and would not represent that of divined truth. How one would determine what the correct path is? I don’t really know. Strive and aim to find the truth, saaxiib, and with Allahs help you will(IA).

"In principle, they agreed that the government will first move to Baidoa and then Mogadishu," Reuters reports.

Good morning all; Ahura, Before I share with you this evidence let me prelude with little afeef; As I have stated numerous times the premise of my argument hinges on the verity of that the jalbaab is a form of Hijaab. Hence, if you mock it you’re actually mocking at the Hijaab. Since Hijaab is an act of worship and a symbol of obedience of Allah, mocking it, it follows, is tantamount to a Mockery, or إستهزاء, سخرية in Arabic, of Allah and His verses. To show it is a sin to mock at the practical implementation of Allah’s verses, I decided to share quotes from two chapters in the Precious book. Now following are quotes from those two chapters. First quote is from the chapter of Defrauding (المطÙÙين) Those in sin used to laugh at those who believed, [83:30] And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other (in mockery); [83:31] And when they returned to their own people, they would return jesting; [83:32] And whenever they saw them, they would say, "Behold! These are the people truly astray!" [83:33] But they had not been sent as keepers over them! Abdullah Yusuf’s comments would suffice; The wicked laugh at the righteous in this world in many ways: (1) They inwardly laugh at their Faith, because they feel themselves so superior. (2) In public places, when the righteous pass, they wink at each other and insult them. (3) In their own houses they run them down. (4) Whenever and wherever they see them, they reproach them with being fools who have lost their way, when the boot is really on the other leg. In the Hereafter all these tricks and falsehoods will be shown for what they are, and the tables will be reversed. But the wicked critics of the Righteous have no call in any case to sit in judgment over them. Who set them as Keepers or guardians over the Righteous? Let them look to their own condition and future first. Second quote is from the chapter of Repentance (التوبة) [9:65] If thou dost question them, they declare (with emphasis): "We were only talking idly and in play." Say: "Was it at God, and His Signs, and His Apostle, that ye were mocking?" [9:66] Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin. *If thou dost question them = if you do question them. Clearly to mock is the habit of disbelievers and hypocrites. Reflect on these verses, and see if we can make ‘such solemn matters subjects of playful jokes’ Ciid Wanaagsan all. P.S: Are you, Ahura, an arabic reader?

If indeed this agreement hinges the relocation of this government to Mogadishu without first solving the security problem it (the agreement that is) is hard for me to imagine how it will materialize to a full. It could be a face-saving ploy for these two politically-out -maneuvered men though. Odaga Saajin Dheere wareeriyey Shariifkana gacanta Qanyare, Caato, iyo Yalaxow buu ku dhex lumay. Dan baa is badday. One more thing; this government can’t function in Mogadishu practically. Symbolically they always maintained that it remains as the capital of the nation. What prevented them to go is still there. Having said all of that this still is a good news.

Good morning all; Ahura, Now you’re talking. I shall provide the justifications of my previous statements; that it is sin to mock Jalbaab. In fact it is sin to mock any application of Allah’s verses. Now I am at work and I don’t like to google such important stuff and give you quotes from the net. For that, I beg your patience till I get home. Now, do I still see you insist the villains are the religious folks here? Who insulted whom? Who raised the objections? Who commenced the name-calling parade? You see, what the mind does not know the eyes can’t see. Not that I want to spend energy in dwelling in the past, but insisting the defenders of the Jalbaab have impeded this discussion disservices this debate. Castro, Socod-badane and Co have shown us their deep animosity against this religious gown. Others including you have yet to recognize that jalbaab is not just a piece of cloth, but also an implementation of a Qur’anic verse. Those who wear it do so in compliance with Allah’s command. You’re still trying, walaal, to make a distinction without a difference when you insist that jalbaab is different than Hijaab. That the two are same genre is not absurd. And by logical extension, if you mock or ridicule jalbaab it is tantamount to mocking Hijaab. To rob the jalbaab from its honor in the name of alien and ugly is a sheer sophistry (I wavered to use dishonesty there). Granted it is most productive to debate in the spirit of benefiting from each other. But what if one insists to reside in the lowest level of any discussion and resorts to cheap name-calling? Do you still think we should have practiced their courtesy and give the other cheek, as it were, and cede our sword? Walaal balaayaa ilaahay gacanta noo geliyey; and they want to whip with leisure! But as Antara, the pre-Islamic poet, said waan xishoonay walaal. I see spoils, which, if I want I would win; but my bashfulness and my magnanimity hold me back from them. Respect is a mutual thing, sister. Now, no one questioned anyone’s diin, with exception of me alluding to Socod-badane’s lack of faith in the sources of Islamic shariicah (I debated him before about it). The rest of participants of this thread were seemingly debating within the Islamic framework. Some chose to ignorantly scorn this jalbaab and they were deservedly reproached. My plain speech could be the source of your grievance, walaal. It caused my popularity in this site to plunge as well. But it is not the likability which I seek. Presenting my argument with clarity, and refuting those whom I think have a tendency of fighting for the wrong causes is. No intimidation tactics have been employed! The moderators have deleted posts they deemed inappropriate, including many of my classic (I insist they were classic) ones (I will reproduce them if the need be). There were vilifications but they come from other side of the aisle, so to speak. But again those you failed to see. It seems now that the emotions are subsiding, and it is ripe to steer this thread to the right direction. As I said before, I will, IA, deal with the subject of mocking Jalbaab (calling descriptive and denigrating names) and why it is sin to do so. Ciid Wanaagsan.

Originally posted by Afronaut: But as of now, that garment is a symbol of ISLAM, I Personally Believe we shouldn’t refer to it by any other name,especially from fellow muslims. I learnt to respect hijabies way back, Thanks to my momma who gave me a tongue lashing 12yrs ago(in Kenya) when I told my sister 'Black Ninja' when she first adorned the jilabeeb. She looked odd, different and tottaly uncool at that time.I learnt to respect her choice, I loved and admired her resolve,her iman and of coz her bravery(she attended a 99% christian school). No one forced her,Certainly not by my parents. They were tolerant they taught us the right vs the wrong and we obeyed em,never feared em. Meanwhile I looked like a stepped out of the cast of Houseparty(the Movie),whereby me and Kid N play shared the same barber,my pants literally sweeping the tarmac of eastleigh(she later used to call me "Nairobi city council"). I memorised everyline of Dr Dre's "Gthang" hit., I wore Jordan's number 23 clothes and Nike shoes. Everything in me was foreign, I even spoke like an American.and here I was making fun of her. I know the Irony eh? (Btw Hooyo & Abo didn’t get to see this side of me,I would have been banished ). My sister,always as cool as the cucumber calmly pointed out how foreign I looked from tip to toe. I was lost, but i learnt alxamdulilah. ^^ That is a good comparison, good Faarax Brown, and has much clarity. Waad iga qoslisay saaxiib.

Ahura, Jalbaab is a form of Hijaab. Hijaab is an application of Qur’anic verse. Hajj is a form of cibaadah; an act of worship. It is an execution of divine law. No matter how one goes in circles, mocking at jalbaab is a mockery of Allah’s law. It is a sin. Period. Do u want hear religious justification for what I just wrote? Just ask! Now here you come, good Ahura, accusing others with bad manners, and you yourself raise a voice cracked with emotions. How judgmental of you is it to lay the blame squarely on the door of your cyber foes? Do you have a sense of right and wrong? Yes I am asking YOU. And I am a dead serious. Do you expect us to be courteous to those who made capital out of offending muslimaat of this site! Why are you not offended when one questions the intent of those who wear it? Accuses them that they are merely mimicking foreign culture that is alien to them? Depicts them as ugly and out fashion, who has no taste for style. And despite all the repeated pleas to stop his ridicule and leave these Hijaabs alone, continues to disparage. Now tell me, good Ahura, who provoked the bear? Praise us, good Ahura, with qualities you know we possess, as we are gentle to associate with when not ill treated and insulted, walaal. We don’t insult others. But the broken man has repeatedly tested our patience by tainting our much-groomed self with his insults. That will never be tolerated, I promise. We challenged them first to present coherent logic behind their protest. Raving and going in circles we got. We informed them to shut up then and leave this piece of cloth to the sisters who so proudly wear it. That I thought was not much of a favor to ask. But again the name-calling parade continued. It was a tent at first. Then a a sand box, a beach towel,and a pyramid followed. People never ceased to amaze me with their creative writing! Do the words have a private meaning? I don’t know about you but its my understanding when someone calls jalbaab a tent (repeatedly) he means to disparage, shows his dislike of it, and thinks it is a bad taste of style (these are not deductions, mind you). To be generous and forgiving is a virtue. But to selectively apply it is crooked and signifies injustice. In the eyes of Allah all people are equal. What distinguishes one from the rest is the amount of good deeds he/she did. I can’t judge what’s your intent. But I can read and comprehend what you write on this cyber screen and on it I base my analysis of your piece. I can’t speak for others, but I take especial pride in defending the jalbaab. It is a Hijaab to me, and for that it deserves respect as it represents the application of Allahs command. Can a one be much clearer than that? Mock it, and you will sure have me in your face.

^^^ Ducaqabow, adeer dad baa caro la suuxsan! Hadda cay bayba taagantahay!

Kashanrow, adeer waxaad uga hartaa; aduunyoy xaalkaa ba’a. I did not know that many people harbor such animosity against the application of the Hijaab verse. What gives? والديوث الذي يقر الخبث ÙÙŠ أهله Meaning of duyuus is he who approvesaccepts when his family violates Allaah’s laws. Example of duyuus would be a man who sees no problem with his non-hijaabi wife or non-praying son. Meel fog ha u doonin, adeer. Those who mock how others apply allah’s laws have different names. And there are plenty of them in SOL, even more than I initially thought. Going in circles will not be much of a help. Bellesed and Rahima, this type of Hijaab that Somalis wear was designed by Somalis in Seventies, with consultation with late imam Albaani. Edit: CW, how bizarre!

Grammaticus, Those ‘tent-wearers’, as you put it, good Grammaticus, are observant of the divine laws of their lord. Whether you ridicule their attire publicly or mock it in private, they care not. If the act of mocking the Hijaab (lets not kid our selves: ‘this particular jalbaab’ = Hijaab), how ever, fills you with an evil joy, and, for some bizarre reason, you get satisfaction out of it, then , unfortunately, go right ahead and do it, I say. Spare us though, dear Gram, from your silly questions as they are, just that, silly. Such questions naturally have no answers. Anti-tent-wearers (anti-Hijaabis); It is asinine really to labor on the obvious. Making a distinction without a difference is neither convincing nor practical. That every jalbaab is a Hijaab is a fact. Arguing that every jalbaab is not Hijaab is a useless one. The reason it is ineffective to argue from the point of mocking at jalbaab is a fair game because it is not synonymous with Hijaab is for it contradicts your basic premise of respect. If your respect of Hijaab emanates from the religiosity of it (Hijaab being an application of divine law), same respect should be awarded, it follows, to this ‘particular jalbaab’ as it is subset of the Hijaab. You see, if you truly respect the mosque because it is the placed where (exclusively) Allah is worshiped, then you should award that same respect to the ‘mawlac’ as it serves the same purpose. It is a simple logic. Comprehending it, though, proved to be a difficult task for some. I can understand those who stated their preference as to what type of Hijaab they would wear without mocking the jalbaab. I can also understand those who do not believe Hijaab in particular and shariicah in general as they are out side of the sharicah. I deem this particular group to be irrelevant to this discussion. But confused, I found, are those who’re trying to make a point without one. Theirs is a weak armor. Xag un labada daa-rood ku daran ha is xakabin meele’e, I say. Walgeey tanoo kale! hadba mid hor leh oo suuxsan baa soo boodayya!

^^I second that.

^^ You forgot to add that it represents the threat of this century . Sanad wacan oo wanaagsan saaxiib.

War illeen ibtilo, war dadkan maxaa jalbaabka laga siiya? Simply put, badownimo + afxumo = jiq. Bal adigu dhan u dhaqaaji ! But let me quote FF once more: The 'tent' is here to stay, deal with it, if you can't, tough luck brah.. Enough.

This is what Wikipedia says: And this is what giocities says: And touregypt says this: And homestead has to say this: All the references I looked at, Somalia is in the lead. In most of them, Hafun is identified by name. Unless otherwise proven wrong/false it is not too far fetched from the fact to say present Puntland is the historical land of Punt. Though I lack scientific proof for it, I take especial pride in Somalia being the origin of Egyptian civilization. But it is just history, I know. History, nothing more.

Originally posted by Castro: يا تابع الذين اعقل Ùˆ اÙضل منك. الحقد Ùˆ الغيرة سو٠يكونون اصدقاءك حتى اخر ايامك. اذهب وناقش الهواء مع الذين نقص عقلهم Ùˆ دينهم ^^^ . Though the content of your broken Arabic tempts me to respond in kind, but nay, I shan’t. I shall show instead the maturity you lack and abstain from this self-demotion of sort. What prompted you to sink that low still puzzles me wallaahi! Allaha ku caafiyo.

Originally posted by Castro: ^ ضع٠الÙكر Ùˆ قبح اللغة علامات من لا صديق له الا الحمق I wrote this for you so don't bother looking for its author. Happy new year. Adeer caydu (even in Arabic ) waa ceeb. Baro habka loo niqaasho, dammit .