^^^You’re half right there adeer, but don’t forget it is an old method to frame and tune issues so the masses can understand it better. Khaadibi naasa calaa qadri cuquulihim is what it is yaa Castro.

Another eNuri classic, I say. As long polygamy is the talk of the day I am satisfied , yaa Nur.

Originally posted by Amelia: It seems to me, you and the other self-appointed guardians of Nur are the ones who ‘habitually dwell in past grievances’ without giving each topic its own merit and pointing out the obvious negative aspects of his dacwah.... That’s very cheap…since when have you decided that Xiin is the spoiler of SOL topics? I have been away, and I could not respond promptly but it’s unbecoming of you to hang your head in the public square and disappoint the gallery. All I wanted to do, and succeeded doing to a degree was to steer this topic to a more productive direction. It pleases me that the topic has grandfathered useful and more constructive threads. That’s how is supposed to be.

^^Patronizing or not you still have some valid points. But the real winner in this debate is eNuri Soft Wano. The looser is the reactionary lot who habitually dwell in past grievances.I have a third eye, so to speak, that sees what you can’t see. I see the efforts of eNuri and its intent to educate, and raise awareness about certain issues. Though I don’t expect this site to be an amen-corner for Nur’s message I still like people to competently disagree and pen their difference without lowering the bar of the debate. And yes I am one of those who really appreciate these efforts. I deeply believe that Nur is doing a work that we all neglected to do. When most of us come to this medium to debate trivial issues or simply have a chat, the good brother brings a much needed dimension in to our discourse. He brings dacwah. He addresses and tackles issues that are very sensitive and controversial. And more importantly he reminds us our maker in a very creative way. While some of us are appreciative, some are not. That’s fine too. But some immaturely decided to stalk the good sheikh and, in effect, interrupt his message in an uncivilized manner. That’s where Xiin and his protect-Nur talk are coming from. I never hid my religious inclination, and as long eNuri continues to function on these boards it is one more incentive for me stay around. I guess that should not surprise any one . As for your virtual dual, I don’t know what to make of it. Ma inaan gabyaad rabtaa ! You see good sister, in the final analyses polygamy, as I said before, is a Muslim tradition that needs to be revived. The fact that it’s unpopular among female folks is indisputable and it is quite natural for a woman to resist it. And I don’t think that you’re suggesting to us to forget this prophetic tradition to fix your mere inconveniences. If you said that it need be practiced responsibly you are correct. If you said its negative impact need be lessened you are correct. If you pointed out that it supposed to be a social solution and not a man’s sexual satisfaction means, again you are correct. That’s why I gave an A+ (remember). So the concerns were legitimate but it is a world different from the summery dismissal that some nomads resorted to. And that’s after I ignored feminine feelings and other emotional injections. As for the nice comeback, I would rather have good Nur take care of that .

Falxadoy, you got an A+ for this one. You really did. With a measured tone, a content of genuine concern, and a superb delivery you’ve met all the benchmarks. Yours is not a rejection of polygamy but a plea for moderation. Without impeaching bro Nur’s integrity you (as a customer of some of his product) made your wishes known for him and his project. Your priorities are valid. If I were debating with you in this thread, I would promptly concede a point or two. In fact I share some of your concerns. I would not sacrifice my family’s stability for ‘a new flesh.’ It is the peak of irresponsibility to do that, especially if children involved. Having said all that I don’t really think that the good brother meant to imply that. It’s getting late where I live and I can’t commence digging eNuri archives but I am sure that bro Nur addressed a lot of other prominent issues that’s highlighted here, and for that I wished people would give his dues. And ugu danbayn, minyaro is tempting and you know it is. Don’t blame me if I couldn’t walk the talk as it requires ragannimo siyaado ah . P.S: bro Nurow I await your nice comebacks. Do one of your tricks to disperse this crowd.

To complete the symmetry of NGONGE’s analogy, Somalis accurately observed that the fly constantly attempts to wash its little hands but repeatedly fails to remove the dirty. Daqsigu, they say, intaas faruhuu mayraa farna ma dhaqo . Perhaps the Rushdies, and the Manjis of this world are as ineffectual as the said fly. Haku daalin adeer.

Castro, that was very competent critiquing sequeled by generous (relative to your discontent with the piece) grading. I liked it. Nin weyn shuqulki. But one can take issue with your assertion that the brother is rewarding run away hubbies on the expense of unsuspecting and caring wives. By any standard, that would be unsustainable argument, and if that were the case I would be begging to jump to your boat, and hastily run off Nur’s sinking ship. But are you sure that is not a deduced account rather than a point made by the brother? What does ‘back home’ suggest to you? With that cautionary Q, I say Gnite to you saaxiib. P.S:Waa inoo habbeen danbe IA, adiga iyo magacya-badanba aka Falxado aka CW aka Amelia

Falxadoy, The eNuri project supporters, I am happy to report, are good and well. Among many other eNuri products, polygamy is one of my favorite ones and I like how the brother handles it with a dose of humor and creativity. Predictably, ambitious girls like you will not like such encouragement, and until you wrote those few words I took you as a one of few who understood the issue for what it is, and not for what some have imagined it to be. Though naturally I would expect you to resist it, for you to think it as a medium for Muslim men to abuse is falling way short of the mark. But i still give you B+ for speaking out .

Castrow, what you mistook as a ‘valiant effort’ to provide‘armor’ for Nur, is a simple vote of confidence. I encouraged him to continue this product, saaxiib. That is all. You see good Castro, the question is not weather there is a moratorium on polygamy or not, rather the issue is about the acceptance of polygamy as a solution to a number of social ills, saaxiib. What you seemed to have missed is when the good sheikh talks about polygamy he is indeed swimming upstream to revive this prophetic tradition and win acceptance, at least in theory, for it from our educated women. Unlike simplistic views from some reactionary folks here, the good sheikh is not promoting polygamy as a sexual satisfaction for men. I also don’t think discussing it will make it mandatory. The mere fact that is a controversial for some does not make it untouchable subject to discuss either. We should be able to discuss things without trying to decipher the intent of the poster. Alas that has been a persistent norm in SOL. And who says polygamy has been paraded around, good Castro? I don’t think it has. Like you, I am a politically inclined nomad who prefers to see Nur engage in political discussions and present eNuri products in those debates. But again I am guilty of not participating topics he started just for that purpose, and suspect you of the same. So let the brother sail with his dacwah, I say.

Nuroow, this subject is neither trivial nor superficial. The fact that it is contentious does not deem it unimportant. Polygamy is surely making to the top of endangered-prophetic-traditions list and it needs to be brought, constantly, to the nomad’s attention. Of course you can only do so much to educate and tutor, and the crowd may some times become unreasonably unreceptive to your message. Repeat it, my good friend, for with repetition comes perfection. It goes without saying that those policies you listed insure not only a husband, but also cover all unintended consequences, and ease the pain that comes with them. They are to pacify rebellious souls and, if implemented right, they could even beat to shape those egoistic personalities. I like it, and I intend to use it. Keep sprinkling that wisdom of yours saaxiib, and you will find some of us for ever grateful for it.

^^A novice dromedary is prone to panic. That was good effort, saaxiib. It must had been rewarding to spark that latent literary interest.

^^this is a famaous one. But its from doolo.com. It could aslo be in many other somali sites. i didn't check.

loool@Castro. Dudun----anthill Ruined milk is a sign of housewife negligence Edit: a 1000th post there .

^^Saaxiib, you should have given us our dues . Castro, try Raage Ugaas's eulogy for the passing of his beloved wife. Sida koorta Yucub oo la sudhay, korommo buubaal ah Ama geel ka reeb ah oo nirgaha, laga ka xaynaayo Ama beelo keynaan ah, oo kor u hayaamaaya Ama ceel karkaarrada jebshiyo, webi karaar dhaafay Ama habar kurkii iyo wadnaha, lagaga kaw siiyay Ama kaal danley qaybsatiyo, kur iyo dhal yaabis Shinni kaaluf galay ama siddii, koronkorkoo oomay Xalay kololo’aygii ma ladin, kaamil reeruhuye Kunbulkiyo ardaagii miyaa, laygu kaliyeeyay? Wixii laygu kuunyeeyay miyaa, igu karaamoobay? Kunbiskii miyaa layga qubay, kolayo ii buuxay? Maantana kataantii miyaa, layga kala qaaday? Kob abaar ah oo dhexe miyaa, koore ila meeray? Kub miyaan ka jabay biixiyaan, kabayo loo haynin? a diversity literature for some, i know .

^^Thats right, good BOB. Salguurid---wiping out Jibaarid—--raising to a power of some number Lifaaqayhn—--appending a thread to a needle Farcamid—--producing offspring Goldooxid—-- probably causing some fatal damage Codbeddelid---voice altering

BOB, Raggeedee then. Castro, I don’t know if uul is Somali but it’s a color. It’s used especially for pigeons. Jaanogow is a cooked goad-head. It wouldn’t appeal for your Awdali forefathers, I know .

^^BOB, yaa kuu sheegay ? Edit: Casro, try these: Baliil Uul Jaangow

Castro & Zafir, I don’t remember laughing so hard. Especially Castro, you’re big time off saaxiib. I thought you were ciyaal Hodan. Unless you were born to the elite part of the society, you must had played the game of imbli(In Xamar). Or you forgot. Give it another try, adeer. Cagaarin---is when you use fresh green grass to mark the loox (a rectangular shaped piece of wood that’s used as a medium on which Qur’an is writen) , hence the writings on it would have a rhythm and sense of regularity. Tashiil---BC is right on the money. Actually right on both counts. Zafiir waxbaa kuu bilaan especially in the imbili game but you ‘are off on the urugley one. Try it again. Edit: Riigid has something to do with the art of courting . Haddaad qooley lahaan jirtey you would understand it.

^Aniga far baa ii taagan though, yaa sheekh . It’s a symbol of laziness, and there is nothing great about it. in addition, it mocks my manly style so no more Macawis, I say . I just imagine an elderly man struggling to keep his stuff covered against blowing winds. That’s not a pretty scene , you know. Midda kale, how one is supposed to wear this peace of cloth that encourages inactivity and still be productive? It does not fare well in our age, or does it?

Bishaaro, that was nice. now you can go back to your mawlac knowing you put that to rest.

^A vast swarm of locust, right?

BOB, you managed to extract a few words of wisdom from our resident elder aka Castro . I knew that we were all children to his knowledge and experience . As for your vocabulary list, I liked the suuro one. It’s that cocky façade of her that I find captivating and engrossing. It just filters unwanted snobs. It's a trick that few know how to handle. Edit: more words: Urugley Warbac Imbili Riigid Kaalafooto Cagaarin Riiqid Tashiil ...

^^Now you yourself is messed up, saaxiib. It’s not clear if you have issue with sovereignty of Allahs laws, which is what this article noted, or you’re one of those Muslims who believe the marriage between the mosque and the state is unhealthy one. I think my comprehension is failingme but I am left to wonder where you going with this. So come back good CG and tell us if your argument is a one of secularizing Muslim society, and you see democracy as suitable platform to do that. Or, like me, you see the benefits of democracy and its compatibility with Islam but you also see the need to customize it so it does not contradict with our basic beliefs. Kheyr, I see no confusion in that hadith. It clearly states that Muslims, the people and their learned scholars, will not agree on a clear deviation. Though stability is very important it should not be used to preserve and justify the rule of monarchy. Islam does not endorse monarchy as it contradicts the concept of Shuura. Though there are concerns about democracy(like Kashafa eloquently stated) but I see no reason for us to be uneasy about a system that provides the means to vote, a platform to debate, and a framework to check and balance the excess of human greed. If the Saudis vote to day do you have any doubt that the outcome will be a fairer and more representative government that not only reflects Islamic values and upholds our principles but also has the legitimacy and confidence of Saudis?

Cadde is a failure indeed. Not only is he deeply clannish, but even worse he is a sham with a false appearance of virtue; a hypocrite. If he was brave to lead his militia then what makes him sheepish now to embrace the reforms that Puntland needs is not a mystery any more. He is in it to benefit his ilk. In short, he is a disappointment

^^As they say, cagtii joogsan weydaa marbay ceebla kulantaa. Admittedly it’s little too underhanded. But still SB deserves Sheh’s wrath.