BAYDHABO: Ciidammadii Maxkamadaha ee maanta gaaray degmada Buur-hakaba oo la xaqiijiyay inay ka tageen Posted to the Web Jul 19, 19:44 Baydhabo (PP) – Guddoomiyaha degmada Buur-hakaba Maxamed Cabdi Xuseen (Ow-kaari) oo haatna ku sugan degmada Baydhabo ee gobolka Bay ayaa dhawaan ka dhawaajiyay in ciidammadii Maxkamadaha ee maanta gaaray Degmada Buur-hakaba inay ka baxeen halkaas. Ow-kaari wuxuu sheegay in ciidammadaas ay kulammo la yeesheen madaxda Degmadaas ee isaga ka hoosaysay, waxaana uu ka dhawaajiyay inay u sheegeen xubnahaas mar uu la hadlay inay ciidammadaas u sheegeen inay u yimaadeen Buur-hakaba inay halkaas ka wadaan ciidamo la sheegay inay ka goosteen dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliya. Guddoomiyaha Degmada Buur-hakaba Maxamed Ow-kaari ayaa sheegay in imaatinka ciidammadaas ay maanta soo gaareen Degmada Buur-hakaba oo uu isagu madax ka yahay ay qal-qal iyo cabsi weyn ku abuurtay dadweynaha degmada Buur-hakaba iyo kuwa gobolka Bay oo dhan, waxaana uu sheegay inay hadda dib ugu laabteen Magaalada Muqdisho oo ay markii hore ka yimaadeen. Dhanka kale; Sheekh Mukhtaar Rooboow oo ahaa mid ka mid ah xubnaha Maxkamadaha ee ka soo jeeda Gobollada Bay iyo Bakool maantana gaaray degmadaas isagoo wata in ku dhow 25-gawaarida dagaalka ah ayaa daboolka ka qaaday inay halkaas u tageen dano gaar ah oo uu ku sheegay inay doonayeen inay ka soo wadaan ciidammo ka soo goostay dowladda federaalka Soomaaliya oo codsaday inay ugu yimaadaan degmada Buur-hakaba ayna ka soo laabteen isla maanta. Arrintaan ayaa waxay shaki weyn ku beertay shacabka Soomaaliyeed gaar ahaan kuwa reer Muqdisho oo u arkay howlaha ay wadaan Maxkamaduhu inay yihiin kuwo ay ku doonayaan inay ku burburiyaan Dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliya taasina ay tahay mid fashil iyo ceeb ku keeni doonta Midowga Maxkamadaha Muqdisho oo ayaamihii danbe laga jeclaa magaalada Muqdisho, balse abuuri karta in si deg-deg ah loo naco loogana hortago. Maxamed Xuseen Jantiile Wakiilka Puntlandpos - Mogadishu E-mail: puntlandpostmog@hotmail.com Saaxiibkaa u *** Daabaco Qormadan

^^I for one would appreciate if this thread stays (or forced to stay) true to its name . Delete the chitchats and leave the pictures along with any useful commentary, if any, I say. Of course this^ chitchat is meaningful and should be imprinted in stone much less deleted !

^^^^^^I thought by citing how those materials are readily accessible through satellite dishes and other electronic devices, you meant to point out that shutting public places where indecency is shown is just not going to do any good! At least that’s how I interpreted it. Based on that interpretation I said taking such steps against indecency, as the ones reported, is never too little. Courts did what they could to lessen the impact of lawlessness in that city---Mogadishu.

^^ Waryaa kaa caraysiiyey! Fighting indecency is part of your faith. You may not like Courts’ heavy-handedness style, but you can’t argue against putting stop on this culturally/religiously improper material. It’s a common sense. NGONGE, Somalia does have digital receivers and satellite dishes but that hardly deems Courts’ anti-indecency activity ineffective or futile.

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by xiinfaniin: The strongest they managed to come up with is Indhacadde supports the Courts and hence the Court’s agenda is not different than his. We are all going around in circles. However much you praise thge ICU praise them, cause they derserve for being about a big and better change in Xamar. Am not in dispute with that saxiib. Now can you come down to my point please, as I quote you from top due to the overwhelming support of balayo Indhacadee to the ICU are they turning a blind a eye on the treacherous situation situation in Marka cause by him. You might see him as a hero and a saviour in Xamar, but ask the people of Marka , he is bully, villian, murderer, occupier and all similarities.Marka widayo waxaa ii sheegta since he helped the ICU achieve a rfesounding victory in Xamar should the plight of the people of Marka Cadeey be ignored. The issue is not whether Indhacadde is guilty of warlordism or not, rather the point of contention here is whether it’s fair to tarnish the image of these Islamic Courts simply because they failed to address one of our many grievances. Lets agree on some basic facts walaal before we go any further: 1- Islamic Courts have marginalized Mogadishu’s notorious warlords and put them out of business—for now. 2- They have removed torturous roadblocks and succeeded in opening Mogadishu’s main commercial channels. 3- They’ve signaled a gesture of piece and pledged to negotiate with the TFG. 4- And they continue to impose justice wherever they reach. Those are, undeniably, political milestones whose attainment eluded us all for the last sixteen years. The credit goes to the courts, and with Allah’s help they will hopefully continue to achieve more. Now admittedly there are more to be done and if you are fair enough you will realize that it takes time to reverse the injustices of Somali civil war. If you are fair enough you will also admit these Courts is the first entity that shed blood for the common good. There is a track record that shows that these guys are different. It was a political convenience, and it would have been sheer st-up-idit-y to do otherwise, to accept Indhacadde’s logistical and military help. But with success comes responsibility, and accordingly these Courts will have to act sensibly to either reform him and fully integrate administratively with his militias or defeat and get rid of him. But Indhacadde is clever enough to realize that justice is about to arrive. I bet he won’t resist it a bit. He will relinquish the booty and turn it over to the Courts. That’s the near eventuality of the fate of Shabeelooyinka region---not sure if Courts can realistically do anything about Jubbooyinka as they risk Ethipio-TFG confrontation. Time will tell. Cheap propaganda, good Jujew, is the trenches of the hypocrite. I don’t know where you stand on the TFG but if you happen to support it, as I did, you know it has many wrongheaded men in its midst. There are known criminals in it as well. But for one to argue that he opposes the TFG on that bases is missing the point of whole Somali saga! We don’t have that leisure to choose sagacious men as our leaders. We just need to support the closest entity that means to revive Somali state. So far the Courts seem to be the only hope we have. Lets give them time, I say. What do you say yaa Fuje ?

Rahima, you are correct in that some people want to trash the Courts and their efforts not only because they are angry that the Courts did not fight with Indhacadde and co, but because they have fundamentally different view about Somali politics. Theirs is simply a clan-centric perspective. But there are also those who support the Courts not because they hold and share the same values as that of the Courts but simply because they envision conflict between what they perceive the enemy of their clan and what they hope would be [incorrectly] a better clannish warriors---the Courts. Those are the ones who are beating the drums of war and praying for a decisive war. The first group is running out of argument nowadays and can’t present a coherent case for their apposition. The strongest they managed to come up with is Indhacadde supports the Courts and hence the Court’s agenda is not different than his. I answered that charge as you and many others did. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt we said and hope in due time they will deal with this issue. I believe they will and succeed. That does not necessarily mean the Courts will seek conflict with Indhacadde and use force to reach that goal. It just means they will recognize how important the issue of robbed land and property is to reaching a lasting peace in Somalia. From that conviction, and with Allah’s help, they will (IA) find a solution. Believe me it’s not difficult as Somalis are Muslims and Indhacadde is not in a position to challenge the authority of these Islamic Courts. The latter group is more sinister as they could taint the reputation and the cause of these men of faith---Court’s men. When one lectures about how Indhacadde is ‘the man of the hour’ and how good he is, someone needs to point out that his cow, as it were, is not holy and he, Indhacadde that is, is indeed a stinking warlord who needs to be reformed. Barre falls in that category as well. These are the men who are responsible the destruction of many peaceful communities to settle some clannish scores. I want that group to open up and drop their mask. Lets not allow them to camouflage with Islamic slogans and ally them elves with this legitimate movement. And that’s why I felt obliged to correct my good friend Paragon when I saw him hesitate to call Indhacadde for what he really is--- a warlord. Paragon is one of few enlightened nomads here whose stance about Mogadishu’s Islamic Courts thus far was right I must note. In the end, what we all want (I hope) is justice, peace, and stability. I hope the Courts achieve it.

Many Thanks yaa Baashi. Very informative indeed. Hopefully someone will provide the complete verses of this poem. Baashow, though Ina Dirir shrouded his lamentation with these fascinating stanzas, Adan Arab, a peerless poet of his time, was anything but sympathetic to Dirir’s mournful cry. Ninkii Ey rabbeeyaa fadaro aano waw yuhaye’e Sheydaan ixsaan lagama helo eray xun mooyaane’e To Adan, Ina Dirir was ungrateful and the poem was full of drivel. Adan Carab’s swift dismissal, however, was neither unusual nor unexpected. After all he gained fame with his flamboyant style.

Tabaalaha adduun baa ka badan, timaha xaadeede Toogada dhibatee la qabo, tarabka weeyaane Ragba towsta waa kula qabaa, taaha urugeede. Very true indeed. Thanks much yaa Mutakalim! This is truly a literary avalanche, and while we at it let me request if anyone has Ahmed Dirir’s famous poem…waxaa ka mid ahaa: Nin ambaday halkaa uu aaday waa ula ekoonayde’e Anigoo arkaayaan wadada eerigoo xulaye’e --- Waxa oyda inan aabo loo ehel u muuqdaay’e..

Deggane Maxamedow waxaynu nahay, ul iyo diirkeede Dadka kale ha joogee adaan, iga digtoonayne Raggiinii dariiqada ka yimid, durug warkiisiiye Dunjigiisba waan wada jeclaa, degaha Reer Nuure Wixii duub leh deris baanu nahay, iyo Daraawiishe Sayid Maxamed dooduu i yidhi iyo daabbada uu keenay Waa ii soo duceeyaye Allow darejadiis raaji Muslin oo dhan baa diiq ku jirey, jeeruu daahiraye Awliyada duushuu carshiga, kula dekeeyaaye Ninba wuxuu debnaha ugu hayiyo daarka iyo laabta Daniguu gartaa waxa qalbiga, kaga dahsoonaaye Kun halaad nin subax soo didshoo duul u yimid siiyey Oo aanay duntaa iyo la noqon dibi la loogaayo Nin la diini kama soo if bixin, duniyadeenneere Dirir Ferenji baa ugu badnaa, dab iyo baaruude Isagiiba dabaq buu ku riday, duhur dharaareede Dabar iyo hogaan buu ku xidhay, duluflahoodiiye. Though excessive [highlighted] a bit, the composer of these verses captured the real sentiment of most Somalis toward Sayid and his dervish movement. I like it. Who’s this man yaa Muttakalim? Laftigiisa mindhaa darwiish ahaa !

Political convenience and necessary evil is something I can understand, but for one to assert Indhacadde is innocent till proven guilty Paragonow defeats the purpose of this movement. He is, truth to be told, a stinking warlord whose vandalism is felt as far away as Dhoobley. One can legitimately defend the Courts from these clannish ambushes but lets not defend the wicked for they are indeed guilty. I would even take it further and assert that to maintain this momentum, Courts should avoid falling in to TFG’s trap and distance themselves from known warlords. Unless, of course, they convince them to relinquish the loot and return the land and the properties they robbed. It’s real.

Since SOL has been in a refreshingly literary mode (see good Sharmarke's thread), it would only be fair to inject Sayid’s famous verses of chastising certain Somali clans for falling for foreign bribe and opposing his armed struggle. Naanalayaal iyo kufraad nabiyo moodeene’e Nacalluhu kuwuu fuulay baad daba nashlayseene’e Nasab haddaad tihiin gaaladaad nici lahaydeene’e Likewise the acts of the old man and his TFG are singularly shameful. Every Somali would understand Ethiopia’s position and her resolve to keep Somalia and Somali people in a state of perpetual war. But for a government that has borne out of a lengthy and difficult process to boycott peace negotiation is simply disgraceful. The irony is that the old man and co are opposing the very progress that eluded them for years now. These men have no soul and are void of morality. The only lenses by which they see are that of clan. Somalia will be better off without them as they are the only obstacle that stands before peace. Let us pray they vanish from the scene rather rapidly…they are no good. What the Courts started is so good and beautiful, I believe, that it will be irreversible. Although these pawns in Baidabo could make Courts job quite difficult, the Courts must rise to this historic occasion and defy tribal equations. They need to continue doing what they have started: to slowly but surely demonstrate the capacity to manage and rule. In due course, and when the people of all Somali regions realize the goodness of what these men of faith are doing, TFG’s hostile pronouncements will naturally be reduced to a shout from a distance camp… irrelevant. If it takes war to continue this progress...let it be. Sometimes war is the only means to attain noble goals.

Originally posted by checkmate: Luquf micnaheedu waxa u noqonayaa Habeen gabal dhac, mar ay cadceedu idhaha kaa qabato, mar ay sheeko kula tagto Luwokle Micnaheedu waa Kirli ama weel loo isticmaalo in lagu weyseeysto ama lagu istijoowdo Looshaan micnaheedu waa Ergo, tabalcaaro, siisid, Xiinoow Gacaliye, Improvement aad la'arag oo la maqal ma sameeyey mise ma sameenin. ^^LOOOOOOOOL. Waryee checkmate what are you on saaxiib . Looshana waa tabolcaaro kulahaa . You are way off the mark, saaxiib. tyr again . Sharmarkow thanks for the eloboration. I like these stuff especially when Sayid shows his poetic skills. It's a sheer talent--matchless.

^^Yaa yiri dalku waa nabad haddii checkmate soo noqday ! Ayaantii kastaba boostadaan ku ag wareegaaye, Haddaan aradka gaalada fadhiyo, kuma ilaaweene, Haddaan aabahaa ahay maxaad, ii anfici weday? ^^Wallee wuu garnaqsaday. Kashafa, try Baashi's homework saaxiib and see if you understand them selected-words. As for the expectation thing, you know good Kashafa, when the real abwaans show up Xiin’s play abruptly ends. Yet I will IA contribute as time permits. You had me crack up with laugh with your ‘iga tag ninkaas nin jiro ma ahan’ line… it was a case of speaking more truth than grammar .

Adigaa lamaantaye ka dhowr laakib iyo ceebta Listankii horaa kugu jiriyo lufuq habowgiiye Inkastoon ku laal baray fahmadu kuuma looshana e' Maandhoow ha leeliyin yeysan leexan maansaduye'e Luuqdana ha bi'in sowdku waa laaxiiboon yahay e' Maandhoow lukowlaha ka dhowr labana haw hoorrin . ^^Didactic yet beautiful; such was Sayid’s literary style. Thanks Paragon. Yaa erayadaab usoo baxay ? 1-Listan 2-Luquf 3-Lukowle 4-Looshan

Wheels of progress are indeed rolling...

It's rather Aweys vs. Ethopia. If it comes to a conflict at all, that is. I doubt if ICU are interested in a military conflict outside of Mogadishu. The old man is also practically toothless and resorting to a full-blown conflict is not his first choice. But, truth be told, men like Caydiid and Geedi are the ones who are beating these war drums. Surely Ethiopia is determined to face off the Courts. With homeless warlords with them, and Baidabo being the only possible staging area for their intervention, Ethiopia could easily end the TFG as we know it if old man resists their plan. The old game has once more started. There are dark clouds hanging over Baidabo as Ethiopia’s hand is becoming more evident than TFG is willing to admit. But one thing is for sure: they won’t be able to halt the progress made in Mogadishu. And if Qaybdiid’s publicized meeting with Geedi is something to go by, helping regroup defeated warlords won’t take this government to a victory. It will only hasten its collapse. Deservedly so, I say. Allow sahal libaax seexday bay niman salaaxeene..!

^^What good is Xiin when Mutakallim arrives ? We all suspect that you are one of few nomads here who walk on water when it comes to understanding Somali literature. Bal gabayga Kashafa ku biloow adeer !

Sophist, hawl sahlan maaha in la yiraahdo hebel baa hebel ka gabay badan. Laakiin raggu weligii gabayadda waa kala heli jirey. Tusaale: Markii Geelle oo asagoo dhalinyaro ah nin le'egi ul (hadde waa ul) qorigiisii kaga qaatay ayyaa waxaa damcay nin Gooni la oranjirey oo reer Mudug ahaa inuu kaga faa'idaysto oo sidaa Geelloo maara loo waayey gabayga kaga xiro. Mahayyo gabaygii Gooni. Laakiin markii Geelle loo tiriyey gabaygii Gooni soo dhiibay wuxuu ku jawaabay gabay aan ilaa hadda la yaabo. Badha olosha waa loo godlaa waase baaqima'e Boodada horeetaa danbeed biri-rifleeyaay'e Baqal kuma hargalo meel sanguhu maray bariistiiye'e Bal ogaada reer (hebel) baa soo buraanburaye'e . Even literary-challenged reer hebel have a desire to vie . Kulahaa! Then he went on to attack Gooni’s smoking habit (odagu tubaakaduu cunijirey ), and reminded him that while it’s probably true that he as a young lad lost his gun to unarmed foe, that information is irrelevant today since Gooni’s clan were the loosing lot. Adigoo bog soo xoodan leh oo biriya toobaakhda Batal Eeri-goo iyo intaad Bookh ka dabanaysay ………………………………………………… Baylihisay nimankii ku xigay badina loo laaye’e Bundukh maxaad ka sheegtaa adaa ba’ay ayyaantaane’e. After Geelle delivered those high-powered verses, it effectively shut off Gooni for good. Sharmaarkow, Qoof yimi Salaanow ninkii qariyey waa liide'e Marhaddii qordoofo iyo gabay la idin quulquulay Inaad aniga ii qayshataan waydin qabataaye'e. Qawdhan illeen waa ninka Salaan ka caraysiiyey .

^^ @oo neef oo qali waaye, iga tag ninkaas nin jiro ma ahan. LOL. Kashafa wallaahi waad iga qoslisay saaxiib. Ninyahow gabaygaas waa maqlay laakiin hadda mahayyo. Asxaabta kale yaa hayya gabaygaas? Midda kale Kashafow waxaad u muuqataa nin carabta ku barbaaray...hadday runtahay then hadde sidii uu Sharmarke yeelay. Inta ka horraysa oday Xiinaa kugu barbaranaaya ..

^^I don’t really know what word terrorist means. I don’t care. But I sure liked what Zidane did. He held true to his tradition: the manly one. After he drove his baldhead in to that Italian defender's chest, and when the coward fell flat on his back, I realized that what good Zidane did was not your typical stuff---it was daringly bold! Let the media talk about an ugly exit and stuff. We don’t care. Neither does Zidane. At least he shouldn’t. Raggeedii, i say.

H, If you are nomadic and proud of it you surely wouldn’t take my description of your militia as an insult. It’s just calling its first name adeer. But there are certain things nomads are not good at doing . I don’t remember you asking me about anything. Sorry if I overlooked your Qs. But the funny thing is that you have this habit of reading too much in to what I write. You would be better off if you just respond to what I write without doubting my stance. Doubting it is not an option saaxiib. It’s neither here nor there. Besides it’s an insult to your intelligence. Talking something you don’t know is simply sort of being sick. Give it up adeer. Don’t be a resentful fool—at least try not to show. I don’t appreciate when people like you--a flaming warlord-sympathizer-- attempt to talk about my Islamic stances. Islamic courts are new phenomenon that has no precedent in Somali politics. It’s the first time, since the civil war broke out, that a group of religiously-oriented folks sat out to exact some positive changes and actually succeeded in a larger part. Who wouldn’t support them? With sanity that is. Judging from out side, they are men of faith. And as such they deserve my support. But take a note in my posts as I am giving them the benefit of the doubt as to why known criminals like Indhacadde are in their ranks. It’s only fair to give them a reasonable time to filter the bad ones from the good and reform the heeders of Khayr. I hope they won’t disappoint us all. As for the TFG, I think they should politically accommodate and accept these Courts and the changes they bring. Ideally, I would have them sack all these useless individuals like Geedi and rest, and instead reserve that post to the Court's men. Of course that’s been idealist numero one. When confronted the reality of TFG and how utterly they failed to even realize these profound changes, however, I am only left with one option; stick with the Courts and hope they too won’t blow up. I could be guilty of other crimes but lacking the power of positive thinking is not one of them. Such is Xiin’s stance. Any more Qs dear Horn ?

^^Perhaps you meant no one is allowed to claim it except Hiiraale and his coalition. You see good Allamagan every city in Somalia is indeed a Somali city. That’s not the point of contention here. What you are conveniently avoiding is that Kismayo is in illegitimate hands…just like Marka and Brava are. The reason has nothing to do which clan its rulers belong. It has everything to do with how their rule came about. Morgan was another warlord whose rule was equally corrupt not to mention illegal. But that’s beside the point. It’s Barre who is in the scene now. As for us forgetting (whatever us means) Kismayo, how could we yaa Allamagan ? It’s a good city and beautiful one at that. It’s ours to claim. As its rightful owners that is. How we gonna get is totally another matter .

^^Allamaganow, I wouldn’t count them out yet but I would agree with you that they partially lost. Partially because the old man still could get rid of this useless Geedi and prove to be serious in wanting to rule. Not probable but certainly possible. I’ve not heard from him yet. So let us see what he does.

HornAfriik, and co, you are clinging to what time had deemed obsolete: supporting warlordism. Don’t you guys follow Somali events? The card of warlordism has been charged too often. Your uncle had a borrowed sword and was allowed to graze in a land that was not his. Things have changed now. Will he give up the loot in leisure or will he, once more, finance his Kismayo hold, preferably from the old man? What will the warlord Barre do?Think about it. Jimcaalow, Interesting is the fate of Kismayo caddeey. Rumor has it that nomadic militias has tainted, and perhaps altered it for ever, the beautiful Calanley façade. Oh what a trample!

lol@Xisbiga Muhaajiriinta Qabqablayaasha ee Baydhabo. Nune, you've coined the word of the year. I think the old man and co has lost the plot. They are effortlessly proving to be pawns. Clearly Geedi is in league with those defeated warlords. He insisted them to be in his cabinet. Now he is getting some alliance from Aydiid and co. Where does the old man stand? I don’t know. It would be hard to believe though that he would side with Mohamed D and Qaybdiid: men who prevented him to be. There is a clear divergence of interest between the old man and Geed and his men. Lets see if the two can converge to put a united face against Courts. Courts are doing very good job. Consolidate and negotiate has been their strategy. There are questions about them but those they need not answer them now. As soon as they get Mogadishu in order then they can proceed to address hot-button issues like property and land. They are barely a month old…how could we expect them to solve all the problems is beyond me.