Originally posted by Mansa Munsa: quote:Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Indhacadde waa jirranyaheye (i heard) ee haloo soo duceeyo adeer. Aideed iyo Siyad Bare-na waa reer aakhiroode Alle ha u naxariisto, hana loo duceeyo. ^^Intii dhimatay Allaha u naxariisto. Inta jirran Allaha caafiyo. Caqiidka iyo Barrena Allaha waxa fiican tuso---iyo kuligeenba, yaa Mansa

Good anaylasis Xoogga. Midda kale Xoogsadow, Barre is from luuq i heard (Allah yaclam) so if that's true why he doesn't try to better Luuq's, and Gedo's for that matter, political and economic stalemate instead of vying for Kismayo, a city his clan are one of many clans residing it to which they have no particular claim? Mindless iga dheh. Horn doesn't want to address that understandibly, i might add!

^^Indhacadde waa jirranyaheye (i heard) ee haloo soo duceeyo adeer.

^^Barre was a warlord whose exit was welcomed by many locals . Soomaali qabiil maaro looga heli maayo lamana qancin karo maamulwalba oo la sammeeyona qolaa eed sheeganaysa. I support these Courts for reasons beyond your grasp, walaal--for now at least. PS. lol@good Suldaan's threats of dil and jidgooyo, Suldaan maashe kaas ?

By Sahra Abdi Ahmed KISMAYO, Somalia, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Somali Islamists arrested 35 people and shot in the air to disperse a protest in Kismayo against the new administration at the key port it seized last month, witnesses said on Saturday. Scores of people took to the streets late on Friday, burning tyres and blocking roads, after the Islamists appointed a new governor, mayor and heads of the airport, port and the city's overall security. The protesters said the Islamists, who captured Somalia's third city on Sept. 25, had not shared power fairly when picking the port's new leadership. "We are angry about how this administration has been set up," said Barre Ahmed, an official of the Juba Valley Alliance, an independent authority that controlled the region around Kismayo before the Islamists took it over. The Islamists said the protesters were political trouble-makers. "We have arrested 35 people. These were not regular demonstrators, they have a political agenda to undermine our administration," said Abdul Kadir Jibril, one of the Islamist Court officials charged with security in Kismayo. The protests were the fourth since the Islamists seized the port. Past demonstrations have also been against the Islamists' ban on the popular leafy stimulant khat and on cinemas. The Islamists have prohibited the mild stimulant, usually traded by women and mostly chewed by men in Somalia. The Islamists, who control the capital Mogadishu, seized Kismayo without firing a shot, expanding their control over southern Somalia and effectively flanking the interim government, based in the provincial town of Baidoa, on three sides. The United Nations refugee agency said on Friday more than 2,000 Somalis have fled across the border to Kenya over the last two days after reports of advances by Islamist forces on several southern towns this week. Some 30,000 people from Somalia have sought refuge in Kenya since the beginning of the year. The U.N. agency said their continued arrivals could soon overwhelm existing refugee camps. The interim government, the 14th attempt at effective central rule since the 1991 ouster of a dictator, regards Kismayo's capture as breaching a ceasefire agreement reached at peace talks in Sudan. (Additional reporting by Sahal Abdulle in Mogadishu) Source: Reuters, Oct. 7, 2006

^^Maya! Allaah bay caabudaan. Naanaystu macnay ku baxday ee it would better for you to ask how they got those names rather than trying to question thier loyalty to Allaah. Garatay, adeer?

^^Maya! Allaah bay caabudaan. Naanaystu macnay ku baxday ee it would better for you to ask how they got those names rather than trying to question thier loyalty to Allaah. Garatay, adeer?

Northern, this author got it wrong. There’s no ideological rift between Sh. Aweys and Shariif. The only difference between them as far as I can tell is their style. If there’s something to worry about it is the priority gab between Courts real , and not the perceived, military branch and its political wing, i say. The combination of Ayrow (whom I know very little about), Hasan Turk (an uncompromising ideologue and deeply-jihad-committed man), and Ibrahim Afghani (a military genius and daring tactician in his own right) is quite a challenge for the Court’s political leaders like Sharif and SH. Aweys. Most military successes that Courts achieved were due to these three leaders and their battle-hardened men. They command a well-desciplined army that defies the norms of Somalia’s clannish militias. They are more interested in fighting than indulging themselves in tedious political dealings with the TFG and other regional entities. These are the men who made it possible for the Courts to win so quickly and overwhelmingly and thusly have a say as to what the final shape of this movement would look like. Their confidence in defeating their adversaries, I heard, is quite amazing that they actually prefer an open conflict with the entity in Baidabo! My heart kinda agrees with them, my head though says some thing else. Shiekh Aweys on the other hand is a man well liked and greatly admired among the sons of Somali sahwah and he has deep connections within the organized dacwah movement that goes beyond Mogadishu. He remains the only (effective) link between the Courts and the rest of Somali dacwah in other regions. Sharif, though relatively newcomer to the dacwah scene, has a wining charm to him and his effortless eloquence won him many admirers and got him established in the wider sahwah establishment. The two and other likeminded ones in the Courts leadership have recently invited most Muslim scholars in Somalia to Mogadishu and welcomed thier input to leverage this accidental success. They both do see the possibility of unified Islamic front to the prevailing political culture of warlodism and separatism. Unlike the military wing, they seem to want that to come through peaceful means and strive to avoid more conflicts. This time my head finds no difficulty in comprehending their approach. So the challenge is not about reconciling between Court’s two public faces we see in the media but it’s a one of getting its victorious military wing and its political side in synch. Case in point: as we now know the Kismayo take-over was not the result of a Courts political plan; it came about because men like Turk and Afghani insisted upon it and when saw Courts political wing hesitation actually went ahead with it and succeeded. The Courts, I was told, finally embraced Ayrow’s, Turk’s and Afgani’s decision as it delivered a military victory that had obviously won an overwhelming support from the locals. Court’s political wing reactively managed the victory as it were and put a recognizable face on the Kismayo episode. So far things are working very well and the Islamic Courts that have started in Mogadishu are beginning to take a more of national shape and gradually loosing their local scent. Although that itself is a political milestone and a hopeful sign that good days are ahead of us, the coming days are however not going to be easy. Lets all pray they succeed.

I really don’t know the composition of this new admin (I have recognized only two people out of it), but the fact that the Islamic Courts named an entity to run the city tells me these guys are smart politicians who know what they’re doing! In politics or otherwise, you can’t have unfilled vacuum, or you would risk loosing the momentum you’ve gained. Way to go yaa Courts, I say.

Maxkamadaha Islaamka oo maamul u sameeyay Gobolka Jubbada Hoose Jimco, October 06, 2006(HOL): Maamul ka kooban 18 xub oo ay ka mid yihiin Guddoomiyaha gobolka, Gudoomiyaha Degmada, Waaxyadaha Maareynta Dekedda, Garoonka Diyaaradaha iyo Taliska Booliska gobolka ayaa maanta looga dhawaaqay magaalada Kismaayo kadib markii ay soo xuleen xubnahaasi masuuliyiinta Golaha maxkamadaha Islaamka Soomaaliyeed. Xilalkii maanta la magaacaabay ayaa kala ahaa Gudoomiyaha gobolka J/Hoose Axmed Sh Maxamed (Axmed Madoobe ) Guddoomiye ku xigeenka C/fataax Maxamed Cali Taliyaha booliska C/llaahi Axmed Warsame Ejka Arrimaha bulshada C/raxmaan Axmed Aadan (C/raxmaan Seero) Maaliyadda C/llaahi Axmed Cumar dacwada Iyo warbaahinta Axmed Diiriye Waxbarashada iyo Tacliinta sare Dr. Yuusuf Maxamed Cilmi Garsoorka iyo cadaaladda Sh. C/raxmaan Maxamed Firin Xubnaha loo magacaabay Degmada Kismaayo Duqa magaalada Inj. bashiir Axmed C/llaahi Jarto Ku xigeenkiisa Bashiir Aadan Xasan Arrimaha Caafimaadka Maxamed Dhaqane Mareeyaha Dekedda Ciise Qaasim Howlgalinta Dekedda Cali Maxamed Howlgalinta Maraakiiba Cismaan Maxamed Dheer Xisaabiyaha Dekedda Cabdi Xasan Maareeyaha Garoonka Diyaaradaha Axmed Gaarane Yarow Ku xigeenkiisa C/nuur Jimcaale Qeyre. Dhamaan xubnahaasi ayaa maanta loo magacaabay maamulka gobolka Midowga ayaa waxaa uu ka gedisan yahay maamulkii horay uga jiray magaalada Kismaayo, kaasi oo ka koobnaa 21 xubnood oo lagu soo xulay qaab qeybsiga 4.5. Magaalada Kismaayo ayaa dhawaan waxaa gacan ku heynteeda la wareegay maxkamadaha Islaamka oo haatan inta badan ka taliya gobollo dhowr ah oo ku yaala Koofurta iyo Bartamaha Soomaaliya, waxaana magaalada Kismaayo Maxkamadaha ka hor soo maray labo maamul oo ay kala hoggaaminayeen Jen. Maxamed Siciid Xirsi Moorgan iyo Col. Barre Aadan Shire Hiiraale.

Originally posted by Cara: As a great poet once said: "As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns: the ones we don't know we don't know." ^^ Rumsfield a great poet , eh ! Waad iga qoslisay ...

@ME. Time has not been on my side these days ME-oy but i will discuss it inshaa Allah! You got my word on that saaxiib .

^^Soo taan ku iri cid baa ku warranta maaha?

^^A reason for obtimism indeed. It won't be easy though so when you finally join our cheering parade, do know that the going could still get tough yaa ME oo hadhow hanooga bixin dee !

^^A better news than mine, i suppose. Unless PP doctored it a bit ! Waa maslaxad hadduu warku run yahay.

Thursday, October 05, 2006 By Sahal Abdulle MOGADISHU (Reuters) - A group of Somali lawmakers met powerful Islamists in their Mogadishu stronghold after leaving the temporary capital because of growing security fears since last month's assassination attempt on the president. The Islamists' most influential leader Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys welcomed the 36 legislators late on Wednesday, saying the movement was ready to work with them. The comments are likely to irk the interim government struggling to assert its authority over the divided Horn of Africa country. A September 18 car bomb attack targeting President Abdullahi Yusuf in Baidoa further exposed the vulnerability of the administration, which was too divided to prevent the Islamists from seizing Mogadishu in June and other parts of Somalia. "The lack of security is what brought us to Mogadishu. Where the president's life is in danger, no one else is safe," said Abdalla Haji Ali, head of parliament's finance committee. "The Islamists are open to everything including power-sharing and bringing law and order through negotiations without any foreign intervention," the lawmaker added. Senior Islamist Ibrahim Hassan Adou described the meeting -- in which the two sides ended a day of religious fasting by dining together -- as a "confidence building" measure. Another top Islamist, Sheikh Sharif Ahmed, told Reuters the two sides discussed security. "We discussed the threat our country is facing and how we can cooperate on the defence of the country and prevent foreign forces from coming to Somalia." PEACE TALKS Witnesses say Ethiopia -- the Horn's dominant power -- has already sent troops to Baidoa to protect the government. Addis Ababa denies this, but last week Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said Ethiopia was helping to train Somali security staff. Ahmed said the Islamists were still committed to another round of peace talks with the government to find a way to co-exist in a country mired in anarchy since 1991. "We are going there not to get power but to get our country out of this misery," Ahmed said in an interview. The talks are due to be held under Arab League mediation in the Sudanese capital Khartoum on October 30. It was not clear how long the legislators would stay in Mogadishu. Ali said he would not return to Baidoa until security issues were addressed and Ethiopian troops had left Somali soil, indicating deepening dissent within the government over the deployment of foreign peacekeepers to Somalia. The Islamists reject such a move and have vowed to wage holy war against foreign forces. Government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari dismissed the Mogadishu meeting. "The MPs were not representing the government. They went there on their own so they cannot talk on behalf of the government," he said, adding that Baidoa was safe. In another development, the Islamists formed a new Islamic "Banadir" court to administer justice in Mogadishu and its surrounding areas, taking over from clan-based courts. Banadir refers to Mogadishu and its surrounding areas. The significance of the new court is that the Islamists are centralising their justice system and control of the area. Despite Western fears the Islamists want to impose a Taliban-style hardline system, many residents in Mogadishu credit them with bringing relative security after 15 years of anarchy since warlords ousted a dictator in 1991. Source: Reuters, Oct. 5, 2006

^^Obviously it’s the beginning of a new governance style! I do have a feeling that Somalia’s dark days are behind it.

End of the world, eh? I rather think it’s more like Coming Kingdom ! ME, we will discuss saaxiib IA. Afur wanaagsan all!

^Agreed with the gist of your message! Though I think the analogy is not fair (Courts=thaclab?), still to reassure people and ease their anxiety is exactly what the Courts have done at least in Kismayo. Yet the blatant lies continue to be propagated. P.S: NGONGE, as you know Ahmed was a practicing lawyer and I like the fairness in his story's dialogue!

And Bakar, to sack the oxygen out of this lingering news even further, Courts have indeed announced that they’ve investigated and arrested the fighter who was thought to have done it, in the end they concluded that the whole saga wasn’t worth the effort. To accuse them for flag burning is a political sham, in my opinion.

^^Caamirow, kaasi waa nin weyn hadalkii. You were very measured in your criticism of them as well---at least they were based on political analysis, [edit] and not spews of bubbling froths as some have shamelessly done! .

^^But Nuunow, dadka qaarkii ilaa Indhacadde madaxiisa la keeno ma qancayaan! Qaarbaa weli raba in seeraar iyo goobaalana la laayo.lol..soomaali maaro looma helaayo saaxiib!

^^And how did the take over take place, informed ME? Would you please furnish us with the missing facts in Kismayo! That aside, you need to face it saaxiib, what’s happening is not the doings of a one single clan. What you see, yaa ME, is rather a political and military manifestation of a emboldened Saxwah. The harvest as it were of sixteen years of Dacwah hardwork has indeed commenced. I intend to share my thoughts about its expected political results and milatery limitations in due time, but don’t dismiss this movement’s quest for power as a feeble wish, saaxiib!

^^ @Akhi, and my brother! You know, Somaliland is safe. For now that is. So Oodweyen don't you get off balanced about the Courts thing . Even Puntland is off the hook, so they better stop jailing people in Boosaaso.

Ramadaan Kariim. This is a timely post to which I will fully respond IA. But Nurow, I have been camping at the Politics sections since Kismayo’s fall, and man, you are right on the money. I have been humbled and taken aback by how clannish loyalties trample everything else. I have never expected people to support Islamic Courts attempt to change things in Somalia. In fact I have been open for people to be cynical about these Courts given Somalia’s long tribal strife. But the degree of desperation and tol-beeley-shouts to which some people have resorted is beyond anything I have anticipated indeed. I am speechless saaxiib…and to say our sense of moral conscious is being tested is understatement yaa Nur. I will come back IA with more comments.