War Baashow, khabar badan baa laga sugayaa adeer ! Cummaanna soo eeg dee; it's said that it's quitely becoming the new Dubai of the region.

^^Can we count Allamagan on the courts side then ? It would be great to have you in our column bro. Adeer cabdulle aka the old man is sending delegation to khartoum conference to talk to the courts and seek some type of political settelments with them. My feeds tell me. Ayyaamahaan Gerenel Duke waa xanaaqsanyahay marka don't ask him confirmation of this! So i think Barre will go to Baydhabo to assume his ministerial function. That's better, i say. Actually a lot better than fighting a war he's destined to loose.

^^So Kismayo was a masal'ah fiqhiyah whose verdict some erred and others got rewarded, eh! edit: I think this not to be the kinda productive threads i would take serious adeer, so pardon my jokes.

^^Ethiopians you mean! They are destined for defeat IA, i say. Those objecting to these two warlords have a very good reason to do so: that community need not be used and made someone else's cats-paw!

^^lol. Ha isku kaaya layn sheekha then !

Horn, when was that? I've not heard it! Waa markii aniga iyo Roobow naloo kala bixi lahaa .

Sh. Xasan Turk microfoneka iskuma fiicna ! No more interviews for this guy. Let the career politicians do that public relationship job, i say!

Caabudwaaq folks against Qaybdiid and Xiis! ^^Voices of reason: warlords are not welcome in Caabudwaaq!

LOL@Sulayman! You remind me the infamous war sermon of Mark Twain! But I take it as a eulogy saaxiib ! Instead of confusing people and citing the holy Qur’an to defend a warlord (a feeble effort any way), why don’t you take a page from Ina Haabiil’s famous baroor-diiq; Bari yio galbeed baa laga yiqiin golaci dheeraaye’e Magaciisu waa gudubsanaa gaaliyo islaanee’e Geesiigiii lawada …….goconayaa mooyi’i sii wada hee yaa jamaacah! I know Allamagan is the literary stud around here so you might as well enlist his help Sulaymaanow ! Weligeey tanoo kale!

^^Or geel dheeshiis ari dhibkiis waaye, as they say. I happen to think that the author is alarmist of sort, but agian it could really happen.

^^ @legitamacy thruogh the parrel of the gun. you see, i always believed that the culture of warlordism need be challenged violantly... people don't give up thier loot easily (look at Hiiraale iyo siduu u samri la'yahay), i thought the old man could have done that job. But boy see what he has done instead saaxiib. Seriously though the old man and his prime minester refused to acknowledge the good that's done in Xamar much less take advantage of these changes. They made matters worse when they supported and welcomed defeated warlords who were obstacles to them not long ago. All that tells me that these men have no somali interest at heart---they seem to be serving to some one else, and they need to change the course.

^^Generalow, these courts are not without negative marks. But in the big scheme of things they fare well in comparison with that entity in Baydhabo! Kismayo is in a safe hand, commercial ships from Puntland and Dubai are docked on its harbor, i was told, and Hiiraale's melitia iyo baaddoodii are the thing of the past. Waa laga raystay saaxiib. Indhacadde is a reformed fighter now and he no longer controls Shabeelle as he used to do. I am not sure if we can say ina Qaybdiid the same !

^^That neighbor is what’s standing between peace and me! There are internal problems, to be sure, but Ethiopia has indeed done to us what any entity would do to its weak enemy. Bisad gidaar lagu caabiyey weeye soomaalidu maanta adeer. edit; lol@Xiinfaniin gift. How did i miss that yaa Caamir, remember it was Islaan Faarax of Mudugh who was the recieving end of that stallion, and legend has it that the man and his ilk never lost a war afterwards...you get my drift so be aware saaxiib .

^^Adeer, we are and I, for one, am ashamed of it. lets face it saaxiib! Who's arming Qaybdiid? Who's backing Hiiraale and claping for his return? Who's latching on the Zenawi's Ethiopia? Midda kale, as a man who knows some thing about Somalia's history, since when Ethiopia became somalia's final arbiter?

Originally posted by ThePoint: ^1 - As regards stability and governance - a huge amount needs to be done yet. Do you agree with that? 2 - The ICU is in a much stronger position than TFG - and there is no viable threat to their rule in Mogadishu, the most populous city in Somalia. Do you agree with that? 3 - If you agree to the above 2 questions - then you must agree that there is little excuse for not doing more on the governance front in Mogadishu at the very least. Do we have agreement? This is my argument at its most basic - no dancing and prancing needed from you saaxib to get to the bottom of this Q#1. Yes. Q#2. No. Waa ka dhiiranyihiin e kama awood badna (from logistical an d military stand point). Besides TFG has the support of anti-Islamist entities from near and afar. So absence of a negotiated settlement with it, TFG remains a clear threat to the Courts. Don’t get me wrong though as I don’t believe senseless wars are the answer for Somalia’s political ills. In the same breath I do believe the coming war is a necessity to correct our civil-war-induced anomaly; worlordism. Somehow, i am finding very difficult to see a worked-out compromise with our warlords. War with them is a better alternative, i hold. Murad, although you presented a workable scheme still I think you are being a little idealist adeer---just as I was before, and tend to be without my noticing! The old man needs a bit of convincing before he concedes to these courts, I think. For some time now the choice was his. But, increasingly, his options, political or otherwise, are lessening with every passing day. Midda kale, Zenawi is being forced now to stop outsourcing Ethiopia’s interest in the south and assume that task in-house. That being the case, the old man variable in the political equation in the south may not be that significant six months from now. If he continues adopting warlord strategy that is.

The Point, yes you could be more clear and to the point indeed . To begin with the premise of your argument is weak. Courts have provided a level of stability and gonernance unseen last 16 yrs in mogadishu. Yes, had they afforded regional peace and security, they would have undoubtedly achieved more. The answer for thier milateristic posture recently is because warlords,supported by TFG and Ethiopia, are making an attempt to come back once agian. they need to do every thing possible to deprive these criminals from any potentail base they could have if possible. I am agianst turning the clock back as Geedi and the old man want to do. Midda kale, you need to know haddaan nabad jirin, and clouds of war are handing on you , maamul iyo horumar qummani ma jiri karaan adeer. Quite elementary, isn't it? Che, i understand the 'known criminal' part but i am not sure about unreformed part !

^^The Point , why are you dancing around the point ? TFG is supporting known warlords, and as long that’s the case, Courts are justified in their admittedly aggressive posture. Point being you can’t argue for TFG’s innocence, however weak, as long it aligns itself with an unreformed, and known war criminals!

^^ Actually, i was gonna post a message along those lines as good Val has just done. It has been annoying that people were forced to communicate in public. Ciid Mubaarak.

The Point; a little correction---courts are not confined in ‘the vicinity of Mogadishu’ . As for the warlords wanting to disrupt the peace these courts brought, isn’t that obvious yaa Point? Hiiraale, Qaybdiid, and Dheere are, to just name few, TFG supported warlords who are poised to ruin the peace in the south. Don’t you get the impression of TFG longing to see these warlords back in power! I do, and i find it quite ironic.

^^And you say that as though Yey-supported warlords would let the courts govern in peace!

Originally posted by HornAfrique: p.s. Waxaa xusad mudan dhe-dheg ku faanayo dhe-dheg kale libintiisa. Tollow ma niyaad-jabk intaa le'eg baa ku abuurnaa? ^^Priceless yaa horn ! As long you've conceded a libin for them, maashaa Allaa! I knew you were coming down with a bug of sort, but this one ended in my favor . Ciid Mubaarak yaa saaxibii.

^^Give it try adeer...i am here tonight. I am also wainting his baroordiiq for the adeero's jab . Midda kale, Moorgan, i heard, is in a intensive course in the Islamic studies in mogadishu it would be fun if your adeer join him in there .

^^Oh poor Dhurcas overvalued the powers of his clan then....i wonder what he is saying now! In any case I still find Wiille’s points valid. Reerka yaan la shiddeyn wiilashana ha la dhaqaalaysto .

^^Ah! A distinct façade of classic melancholy is what you have above. Perhaps Ina-Wiille’s famous literary missive is more germane to Barre and his militia. Jaantii assaagaa dhigaa lagu jidqaataaye’e ***** iyo sidii ********* joogsi ha udhimane’e Jug yar baa kuu gaadhey iyo waxaan jabin laftaadiiye Nacfina waa jiraa oo waxbaad jalamsanaysaaye’e Joog ina ***** rag waa kala jidqaataaye’e Arrigaaga jiro yaan iblays jaaha kaa lumine’e! Wallee waa talo!

^^Because Sayid's verses waxaan xarafka diimeed ahayn igaga xeel dheere'e!