Good analysis Baashe! I would blame it on them if you could explain these facts for us: ICU’s positive gestures toward the TFG: 1- ICU recognized current top leadership, including the president and the speaker. 2- ICU invited TFG to come and operate in Mogadishu. TFG’s hostile pronouncements/actions against ICU: 1- Labeled them a terrorist and sought financial/logistical support from abroad based on that premise 2- Actively supported and armed defeated warlords to wage a proxy war against ICU 3- Refused to compromise on the issue of foreign troops. Baashow nimanka waa la xaday! The irrationality of Ina Yey’s TFG and its blind supporters is beyond absurdity wallaahi. Nimanka Ethiopia bay kaga dhegtay! Bal car ka fuji adigu. Today Galkacyo is besieged for no apparent reason other than its residents refused to wage a war on behalf of Ina Qaybdiid ! There is a gap of perception of what Ethiopia is and what it can do. For some it’s a regional power and an uncontested kingmaker whose regional policies can’t be questioned, much less resisted. For others however Ethiopia is no more than a poor foe who took advantage of our power vacuum, and erected puppets everywhere to advance its interest. One mistake these courts committed is that they didn't talk directly to their enemy, Ethiopia, and pay pass TFG. I honestly think Ethiopia is not ready for a major conflict for they perfectly know the outcome of it. Any war would negatively impact on the two regions in the north, namely Puntland and Somaliland. Their internal implosion is beginning to show now. The courts in the south, on the other hand, would be strengthened and their stature would be enhanced as they truly enter a jihadi war against Ethiopia. Ethiopia knows that and they will be very cautions and wary about entering an open conflict with ICU though they will still put a brave face on it. One last thing, I hope that you know that the Bandiiradley conflict is a farce and that there is no danger coming from ICU for Puntland. And that Ethiopia’s envision of Gaalkacyo is a desperate measure for some confused folks whose politics hit a bottom rock as it were.

^^I know that you know Ethiopia has no solution for our problems. It’s their interest for our status quo to remain the way it currently is. Sadly some of us, including you, think it is a necessity for the old man to seek their support. I am of the opinion that Ethiopia is what standing between us and Somali government! There is no clan courts saaxiib. These are people who oppose how things are now and think that they have better ideas than folks in Baydhobo do! Your sweeping generalization does not appeal to me and it does in fact disservice to your point of view, which you often get across with a marked eloquence and effortless intelligence! So aayar with it adeer. If the old man found ways to sit down and talk with the late General Aydiid, a man who was happy with what he was doing (death and destruction) and had a little interest in governance, would I be disappointed if I trust your insight to tell us what’s preventing the old man from talking to Dahir and Aweys, if we assume the link exists? How far am I from the mark if I say Ethiopia is definitely a big factor? Midda kale since when does Shabeelooyinka and Jubbooyinka become a burning issue for the TFG? Are you sure that you are on the same page with TFG’s top echelon on this issue? Last time I checked the old man and his men were tightlipped about these issues. In fact, they were busy rearming Barre (TFG’s sword carrier aka wasiirka gaashindhigga) to recapture Kismayo! Some times I find very difficult to follow that logic adeer; cursing Indhacadde while hosting Qaybdiid, and even worse, arming Barre to regain his Kismayo loot and still have audacity to talk about the blight of people of Shabeelooyinka! Now that’s a defective math yaa Generalle !

^^This one of yours is a deep plea for a dose of logic and rationale from our side, and I for one thought I have provided you both. Faith never thrives by force, and if you, in your genuine quest to find the truth, have yet to reach that promised spiritual station, I dare say it’s not a particular fault of yours. Perhaps when you seize it you would be better Muslim than I. Needless to say that I wish no harm, divinely exacted or otherwise, on you. I have neither supplicated for your demise nor did I ever want you perish in hell. Admittedly I would have loved to see you in my theological column and pray on my side, and as you would attest, I have at times tried to educate you about my faith. I will continue IA to do so. How could I do otherwise yaa JB? Intelligent and educated people like you deserve to see the whole light. Or so I think!

^^HA, my old pal, clearly Mogadishu Courts have few questionable characters. One can’t realistically expect for these men to turn the clock back so to speak and take in only clean players in the southern theater. That becomes even harder when the evil they defeated is harbored and given staging ground in relatively peaceful regions. I can understand their calculus adeer. Hypothetical as it may sound, even if they throw Indhacade out, I have very little reason to doubt that he would find a hospitable place in Baydhoba. Our warrior General Duke would then, predictably, find different mantra to slander these courts with. The short-term strategy is simple: avoid internal conflict and seek political alliance both inside the region and outside of it as long Ethiopia continues to meddle. If and when Ethiopian’s threat is removed then and only then will I see the value of scrutiny on them. Before then I am willing them to pass with whatever grade they can garner, as long they try that is General Duke, these old criminal bosses are today in cahoots with the TFG, and you know it. Toothless they may be, but some are surely hoping for these thugs to teeth again! There are those who discredit for the valiant wadaads who made these criminals, and many less known but equally dangerous ones like them, toothless. Your clan court argument is better case in comparison with your Indhacade indictment. You can’t reasonably persuade this gallery that Indhacadde is a significant figure in this movement. The man has been stripped naked from his loots and is fighting for a better cause now. There is an indication that the Courts have affected a permanent change on him, politically. What they couldn’t change is his history and clan. That will forever remain and people in that region will continue to debate about his past. I am of the opinion that one single character does not matter to the fate of this movement. As long these wadaads continue to do what they doing which is fighting with the warlords and injecting Islamist view in our regional politics, their supporters need not worry about Indhacadde. In contrast, and with a noticeable shame, the old man is collecting all criminals and wants to sell them to us as reformed national leaders. Tell me know, my good friend, whose bet is a feeble gamble?

^^lol. Give the man a clean exit,would you?

^^Indhacadde is a controversial figure indeed. But when Qaybdiid is one of Galkacyo’s respected bosses and Ina Caydiid holds a major ministerial portfolio from the TFG, and our transitional Parlameint is full of characters whose hands are stained with Somali blood, (notice I am not even mentioning our fearless leader’s past history and his not-so-distant involvement in Puntland’s bloody political squabbles), then clearly Baydhoba has no clean finger to point; adeer waa lawada wasakhaysanyahay. Lets put that to bed. Don’t get me wrong though, as I don’t believe baabu tadhiir najaasati bi-najaasah , that you know, good Kashafa, is an erroneous verdict. I do see how ever Indhacade’s constant reference for what it is: a smoke screen for deflecting real issues. In the bigger scheme of things Indhacadde is not an issue, I say.

^^Stay cool yaa Jaylaani! Preventing the sun from rising is clearly a futile exercise! Like wise the (as you call them) red bearded warriors are coming to visit a town near you sooner or latter. Practice their courtesy adeer and don't be resentful of their successes. Ps: is this sheikh Dahir of Boosaaso? I mean the mufti of diyaar-al-Punt?

First off to JB , accept my belated responses saaxiib. Time has not afforded me the leisure to participate in these cyber debates. But as you correctly noted in your earlier post we are not breaking new ground here. On that account I haven’t withheld much, you may agree. The gallery has accustomed hearing different versions of both my faith-based position about morality and your mulish stance against every thing that has the slightest scent of religion. What brought me back though, aside from my courteous nature to honor you with response, is the fact you have revived old arguments again. Old arguments that I have previously done justice to them, that is. Moral firmness does not prevent society to thrive and you know it adeer. Clinging to old values is not necessarily an indication of our society’s decline and today’s political setbacks for Muslims around the world do not suggest flaws in our creed! The fact that you’ve successfully observed that our values are shared across many customs/religions does not mean that Furqan has gone on a borrowing spree---it merely means that the source of those values (majority of them any way) is the same Allah. So good JB-ow, aashaa adeer. Cara, when it comes to religion moral certainty is a prerequisite for a valid faith. There are known vices and there are agreed and acceptable practices. In principle, if one can’t genuinely discern right from an obvious wrong and relies someone’s else judgment to take a fitting action on it, then is it not reasonable to conclude that the fault lies with that person’s sluggishness and not with the level of the moral clarity of the issue at hand? We are talking about morality in principle and where it could legitimately be derived. Your example of angry men smashing airplanes in to buildings is a feeble effort to blur the clarity of Furqan’s moral teachings adeer. Clichés like these are never substitute for a genuine argument and they do disservice to the point you are trying to convey. And in the Bush’s analogy, you went even further and drew a false parallel between what amounts to a sheer oratory dyed with bogus claims with false moral assertions (Bush’s political speeches) and morality based on a well seated and solid theological teachings (the argument I have attempted to make)! I agree with you on one thing though: Furqan’s ideal teachings may not always be reflected in the individual practices of its adherents. But individual choices and how they conduct themselves is only a measure of themselves and not of the larger faith. There are countless souls who strive to mimic and reflect Furqan’s actual teachings adeer. If you sample only the shortcomings of the first group and disregard the valiant efforts of the latter, clearly you are content to paint a biased and incomplete picture.

Ethiopia has no chioce but to declare a war on us: sixteen years of investment in Somali politics has suddenly evaporated; regions like Puntland and Somaliland where the Tigre regime hastily projected to be in their column for the coming years are beginning to shed off Ethiopia’s influence; warlords in the south whose criminal enterprise has long served Ethiopia’s interest can no longer do their function, and the old man’s government in Baydhabo is out-maneuvered. Ethiopia, it stands to reason, can’t just stand by and watch as a new hostile regime take shape and gradually replace its clients everywhere. On the other hand, Courts and the movement they started need engage this stubborn Ethiopian regime. We got nothing to lose folks, and Ethiopia has a country to lose if it ever enters an open conflict with us. Some how i am confident that we will win IA. Go and fight yaa sharif, I say.

lol@subaalatu dihnihii! Sophistow malahayga JB falsafad baa haysa.

Maashaa Allaah! Allaha isku barakeeyo Bishaaro iyo sheekheeda! Awlaad kheyrqabtana Allaha siiyo. P.S: Serinity and Rahima all eyes are on you now. Allow sahal .

Good JB, as always you fail to appreciate how Furqan contributes to the human development. Furqan provides moral certainty saaxiib. Case in point: we are living in a world full of moral quandaries but the followers of Furqan do not labor on today’s most pressing social issues arising from morality. That’s not so because of an inherent intellectual lethargy unique to these Furqan followers, rather it’s the result of clear moral teachings that leave no room for ambiguity. Homosexuality is an eternally condemned deed, for instance, and no matter how popular it gets, it will never be an acceptable practice for these followers. For them, bending moral convictions to appease majority pulses is not an option at all. Consider the value of this moral rigidity (strong) yaa JB! Furqan also establishes a sense of purpose for its adherent’s life. Who lives a pointless life anyway you might ask! It’s not a hasty response if I say that many people do exist in a life without assessable purpose. Followers of Furqan, however, live in a linear world with clear begin and end points. It puts life in a context for them; past doesn’t recede meaninglessly ever fast behind and modernity doesn’t deem old values obsolete; accountability for own actions transcends this world, and punishment or reward are the ultimate outcome to expect from the court of God! Succinctly formulated and simplistic in delivery yet consequential and far-reaching in meaning, you might observe. Such is the model of Furqan! Without giving you the detail line so to speak, Furqan has gone live in many places and territories at its weakest time and there must be something that’s particularly remarkable about its wining appeal! I like when people ask me why I don’t drink alcohol or eat pork. It gives me that pleasure to show sense of adherence to a binding legal code whose enforcer is not visible to our naked eye. Perhaps people see some value in this primitive loyalty to a higher being. I don’t count you to be one of those whining beings that tend to unreasonably resent the success of this faith, and I trust your intelligence to rationally explain why intelligent and educated people opt to derive their morals from religion, and not from their social-being, as you put it. Ask Caano-Geel like questions, if you must, but attempt to reason and rationalize things before you summarily dismiss them as you did. PS:--without religion morality would be reduced to empty pronouncements. Like Arabs did before, people would fiercely defend the honor of their guest yet bury their daughters alive. Or as evidenced in our contemporary abortion problem, people would go high-tech to end the life of an innocent fetus whose sin is to have been conceived at a wrong time! The irony is that JB like philosopher wanna-be’s would construct an argument for the defense of these barbaric acts(abortion), yet go ballistic when a Sheikh (say in Australia) uses a wrong verb to describe women’s status in Islam !

^^Xaal baa ku qabtay adeer. Dhan walba ka fiiriyey oo garawsha kuu waayey. Waa midda koowaade haddaad ogtahay inaan gabadha awowgeed ahay asay ku yeeshay (saad sheegaysid) maad i weydiisatid maxaad bannaanka uga ceyrsanaysaa? Waa tan labaade, nin rag ahi sow kii jecaylka u dhabar adaygi jirey maaha! Goorma jeceylku ragga miyirka ka qaadi jirey mise sheekadii qays iyo laylaad run mooday adeer? Inaad ii gabaydaa la qaataa saaxiib. Anigu gabayada waa ka baqaa sidaydaba laakiin waa haddii aan nin yaqaan arko ! Reerkaad soomaali ka tahay ma aqaan laakiin ciddayadu ninkii sidaad yeesha yeela xoolahay ka qashaan, beertana waa ka goostaan! Wallee waan kuu baqay.

Right on good ME! There are promising shoots of hope from troubled south that show potential to revive Somalia’s religious and nationalistic consciousness. It’s quite probable these winds of change could indeed cause relatively powerful regional entities to collapse and crumble under its own weight and in the process set its captives free. There are well-meaning but cautious people however who might disagree with this proposition as they see the whole scheme as a feeble gamble on the expense of those regions that have enjoyed, comparatively, stability and peace. I am with you on this though. Somalia has nothing to lose in the upcoming conflict---if it ever occurs. Careful political calculations merit a second thinking on this thing. I know. But these are the days when good Xiin surrenders to the command of his heart. Perhaps the great Somalia our forefathers spoke more often about but failed to attain lies in the ashes of the coming fight with Ethiopia. We have been killing each other for the last sixteen years and none of our contesting clans has been able to come out of it as a clear victor to rule us all. Perhaps a war with Ethiopia would ignite our latent patriotic sentiment and unite some of us for a worthy cause! Perhaps the Ethiopia that our TFG ironically sought its help to govern would turn out to be like our proverbial pig’s thorn---ridiculously weak. Midda kale soo Cali Dhuux ma ahayn ninkii yiri ; War bal dhumuca rida waa intaas ood dhimanba weydaane’e! Haddii cidda naga hortaagan dawladnima ay Ethiopia tahay, as the case appears to be, then it is a Halloween prank I say, and we should begin thinking big. Think big yaa ME! Instead of tediously attempting to put the political pieces of the south together why not embark a bigger project that could ultimately obtain bigger goals. If it succeeds that is. Why not break the bow instead of seeking a safe heaven from its pointed and raining projectiles! While Somalia’s seasoned political observers are busy figuring out how the final political landscape would look like, why not spark a regional political tsunami that alters Africa’s map for good. We got nothing to lose, literally. We lost it all. We lost our coastlines to a deliberate waste dumping. We lost our fertile land to warlords and drug-lords. We lost our educated class to migration. We lost…and lost…and lost. Markan wa markii la fargan jirey adeer. We are furious like a cornered cat, and we kid you not. We are fuming with anger. We are people who are conspired against. We have fallen in someone else’s sphere of influence,and we got played on. Whatever the cost might be, we must get out of that abyss yaa ME. And at the day’s end, Greater Somalia shall be constructed anew.

What is this? A trolling phenomenon? War gabadha ka har!

^^Early Eighties i believe!

^^Kuwa maxkamadaha laga celin la'yahayna waa hal xiraale kale saaxiib! Mohamed Dheeg of Hargeysa said it well: Waxa bisadi jiir uga shakiday oo shay kale u mooday Shalayba waa cunaysaye'e waxay maanta uga sheexday Oo baqaha shuushka ah ku riday sheeg hadaad garato! And I still find his longing conclusion eternally good. Sharcigii Islaamkoo la sugay oo lagu shaqaynaayo Maxkamadahana sheekh caadilihi shubayo aayaadka Ooy shaadir xiranyiin hablihii shacabka yaacaayeey Shimmaa la arkayaa lama qarsado shaabad kugu taale ^^I call that a noble wish!

Libaax’s very revelation is good enough a reason for Bishaaro and Mr. Piyeekh to comeback and either dispel the rumor or confirm it. If indeed LSK’s disclosure is not a banter of sort, then his is quite a stealthy detective work .

The feeling is mutual saaxiib. I just wanted to inject a dose of humor in to this thread. No isqarxis yet ! I am from buulo-warbe adeer in case some one is interested. It’s a buitiful town, unfortunately Google Earth has prejudice against it and deprived us all the opportunity to see this gorgeous town.

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: you are in this cyber somali community, I think I and many other's here serve a great example of those who belong into different tribes from those in Xamar,yet support the ICU, Red Sea: (Hargeysa), Nayruus:(Hargeysa) Mr.'Me':(Hargeysa),Soo Maal (Sool),Xiinfaniin(Sool)Baashi (Mudug) and more--- ^^I like you adeer , but a little correction is inorder lest you mislead people with your guesswork about Xiin's origin. I am not from Sool. I am hal-xiraale of sort. Case in point: Xoogsade (my good friend) thought that i was from Shillaabo, Allamgan is positive that I have a Bari origin in me, and now good Redka thinks I am form his region! Bal car igaro ! Edit: Redka adeer Reality Check iyo maxkamadaha lays ma tuso ee ha ku daalin.

^^Add Xiinfaniin to the list, adeer.

^^There is no difference between what you refer to Puntland people and the people of Gedo. I don't believe however you have thier interest in heart when you openly support warlord Barre and give us the impression that he is the sole political leader of that community. Maxakamadaha haddey ciddi kala xisaabtamayso waxa ka dhacay Bu'aale, rag aan Barre ahayn baa loo baahanyahay adeer oo macno leh! Nimaan macno badan lahayn baad intaa daba ordaysaa ee isaga har axadka.

^^Whatever water your argument might hold is drained by your constant evocation of Barre and his feeble march to return to the Kismayo throne! That ain’t happening, I say, and you should envision a better and able leadership for your ilk instead of clinching to a failed warlord. You see good Horn, I don’t rejoice when the weak perishes in the hand of the strong, and in this case Courts failed to observe basics rules of engagement. This is a fight within the house of Islam, after all, and the Courts should expect that people would hold them on higher standards than their foes would be held. Their apology is a good first to take and we should wait and see how they proceed from there. Having said all of that, I am not a blind idealist to not foresee similar episodes happening in the future as this conflict continues. Lets pray it doesn’t.

That incident is definitely a dark spot on the Courts! But we shouldn’t judge the Courts on a one single episode. Lets be fair people!

RC, wait till good Castro comes back .