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President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
^^Was it all in my eyes that Horn and his uncle have become reformed cousins of the old man and good Fiqi has dropped his hostile posture toward them to cultivate this young relationship? Or was it jus an outlayer event; dogs living with cats; downpouring rivers of blood ! -
^^Where is col Fartaag now yaa Horn? Could he be the poor guide who caused this scandalous bombardment on these remote villages?
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President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
Castro, that was linear timeline of how effective insurgency develop. Iraq came to my mind! Short time? Ethiopia and the puppet regime must go. Long term? As the Courts came out of the people's desire to fill a chronic void, so too will come another movement. Not a elaborate plan but it still makes sense to me! Hadba waxaad ku ciil bixi kartaa kuu cawa adduuna, i suppose! Mystic, we will govern latter, first lets defeat these Ethiopian invaders! -
U.S. Troops Went Into Somalia After Raid No Top Targets Confirmed Dead By Stephanie McCrummen Washington Post Foreign Service Friday, January 12, 2007; A01 NAIROBI, Jan. 11 -- A small team of American military personnel entered southern Somalia to try to determine exactly who was killed in a U.S. airstrike Monday that targeted suspected al-Qaeda figures thought to be hiding in swampy mangrove forests along the Indian Ocean, U.S. sources said Thursday. So far, "no one can confirm a high-value target" among the dead, said one U.S. source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. But items recovered at the strike site -- a piece of bloody clothing and a document -- indicated that Aden Ayrow, head of the military arm of the Islamic Courts movement and the de facto defense minister of the deposed Islamic government, had been at the scene. A high-ranking U.S. official in the region said Thursday that the strike killed eight to 10 people suspected of terrorist links. They were fleeing with remnants of the Courts movement, which was swept from power last month by invading Ethiopian forces who installed in its place the country's U.S.-backed transitional government. The search team marks the first known case of U.S. military boots hitting Somalian soil since a disastrous mission to stabilize the country ended in 1994 after Somali militiamen downed two Black Hawk helicopters and killed 18 U.S. soldiers in the capital, Mogadishu. It was unclear Thursday if the search team remained inside Somalia. The air attack was carried out early Monday by a U.S. Air Force AC-130 gunship flying from a base in Djibouti, a tiny Horn of Africa country, as U.S. Navy ships patrolled offshore. By one official's account, the strike was triggered by a cellphone intercept and targeted a convoy of vehicles. The U.S. military has worked closely with Ethiopian ground and air forces operating in Somalia and has shared intelligence and target lists. But American decision-makers have been cautious about sending U.S. personnel into Somalian territory. In the aftermath of the AC-130 attack, it was seen as a necessary risk in the effort to positively identify the casualties. After past airstrikes against suspects in other countries, U.S. intelligence officials have been frustrated at their inability to ascertain the identities of people killed. Often the sites have been off-limits to detailed inspection. U.S. officials have long said they wanted to kill or capture three al-Qaeda figures they say took shelter in Somalia after organizing the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. But officials emphasized Thursday that the U.S. government and Ethiopia have a far longer list of targets that includes Ayrow and other members of the Islamic Courts leadership. Hassan Dahir Aweys, chairman of the Courts, was put on the U.S. terrorist list in 2001 as the head of a radical group accused of having links to al-Qaeda in the 1990s. Regional analysts have said, however, that the connections between al-Qaeda and the Courts movement are tenuous and hinge on one or two leaders. Other leaders within the Islamic movement were considered moderates and it is unclear at the moment what their fate will be. Meanwhile, reports from the area surrounding Ras Kamboni, where Monday's strike hit, suggest that at least 20 civilians were killed. The human rights group Amnesty International questioned whether the airstrike violated international law that prohibits indiscriminate attacks. One U.S. official said Thursday that not a single civilian has been killed. U.S. officials repeatedly emphasized close coordination with the Ethiopian military, saying that continuing air attacks by the Ethiopians in the south were motivated by intelligence reports that one of the three embassy suspects, Abu Talha al-Sudani, a Sudanese, was in the area. The U.S. military action in the southernmost tip of Somalia has been widely criticized by European diplomats, the U.N. secretary general and the chairman of the 53-member African Union, who are concerned that it will work against efforts to stabilize a country that has been without a central government since 1991. In the chaotic capital, Mogadishu, the weak transitional government, backed by the United States and Ethiopia, is struggling to assert control in a city still full of Islamic Courts fighters, as well as militias of clans and sub-clans who feel marginalized by the new government and resentful of the presence of Ethiopian soldiers in the city. Several skirmishes between militiamen and Ethiopian troops have broken out in recent days. On Thursday night a grenade was fired from a truck full of militiamen at a hotel full of government officials, according to reports from the city. There was a brief exchange of gunfire and one hotel security guard was injured. Staff writer Karen DeYoung in Washington contributed to this report. Post a Comment View all comments that have been posted about this article. © 2007 The Washington Post Company
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President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
^^It seems the sheer fact of Yey being in Xamar is a significant milestone for some here! They conveniently forget that both Mahdi and Aqasim spent most of their presidency claim in Mogadishu! But Taano, like Baashi, is asking a forward plan and I find that to be my weakness! I am very passionate for this regime and its Ethiopian backers to go, but quite uncertain what is gonna happen next! My best defense is that the alternative to resistance is even worse: Ethiopia will establish a permanent mark in Mogadishu and have even more puppets implanted in our political organism! So better fight than humiliated is my moto for now! What say you yaa Mystic? Do you have a more elaborate defense than mine? -
Originally posted by Baashi: Right on. The author articulated where we are today. He described the relationship of the power hungry puppets and the Kingmaker in the block. He highlighted the historical hostility of the two neighboring rivals. He pretty much summarized the sorry state we Somali found ourselves in. Granted Ethiopians are victorious for they are pulling the strings. Inna Yussuf and his cabal are greatful and he will try his best to return the "favor" soon. Uncle Sam too is pleased for he now has folks on the ground doing the dirty job of apprehending "terrorists". All these are facts. However what the author didn't do is articulate the way forward. What the hell we Somalis should do. Does he have any new ideas. He seems to be hurt. He seems to be humiliated by the recent events. There are many ideas floating around in this site. Some are insisting on death or dignity ala Ali Dhuuxi's or was it Salaan Carabeey Hadaad dhimato geeridu marbay nolosha dhaantaaye, Dhashaadeey sugtaa xaajadaad dhowrataa abid e,.. . If he is reading this post I would like to hear from him on this subject. Where does he stand on this one? Sometimes you have to pretend you agree with the other side in order to get where you want. I for one think supporting the TFG with conditions is the way to go. As I understand Inna Yussuf has already ruled out negotiating with UIC leadership. Still I would like to see Somalis support this third grade politicians! Do you want to get Ethios outta country? Do I hear yes? Well, how? I really doubt that AK47 and technicals stand a chance in the face of GPS surviallance, Gun ships, and superior American war machine. Insurgency is just a suicide of sort. Instead give the TFG the minimum support: security arrangement it can live with. Absence of insurgency, the role of Ethiopia as a security gaurantor will evaporate overnight. That will be a paradigm shift in terms of the relationship of the puppet government and its backer. Couple that with real and meaningful settlement on core Somali issues that kept us fussing and fighting on 17 years. With three conditions, the proposed reconciliation effort will hopefully succeed. 1. No foreign military in Somali soil. 2. Process must be owned by Somalis. 3. The meeting must be held in Mogadishu. If TFG refuses to take this generous offer then may Allah help us all. Baashe that I like your resilience is understatement adeer! You have never lost your focus on what still can be as opposed on what might have been! Perhaps you have anticipated defeat and planned for alternative courses. That much I admit and concede! But your insistence on embracing this TFG does not sound practical to me. I doubt these men are in control of these escalating events. Even if they are, with their attitude and public pronouncements, they have shown utter indifference about the plight of this country and are unlikely to change absent of outside pressure. Lets start with your first condition though: No foreign military in Somali soil. Here I am lacking that kind of power of positive thinking! Without foreign forces, there will not be a tfg presence in Mogadishu and in many parts in the south. These men are able to breath because of the Ethiopian troops in the south. As soon as these Ethiopian troops withdraw and go home, tfg will disintegrate or go back to its hole in Baydhabo. So logic dictates, if tfg is determined to keep recent military gains that were given to her, she must keep Ethiopian troops on our soil or get a replacement for it---that’s the only game in the town. This tfg has no legitimacy but it now has some sort of authority and it’s not going to give it up for reconciliation sake! Absent of your first condition you can imagine how tfg’s source of authority feeds to a natural insurgency. With its center not holding any more, its leaders on the run, wounded and tensely furious, you can imagine how Court’s remnants are going to react. The model is all too familiar for us! Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Palestine! Those who are certain in their cause will not give up weapons easily. And so they will fight, and fight, and fight until they drive Ethiopian’s out. And with Ethiopians, they will also drive this puppet tfg out as well! Your condition # two: Process must be owned by Somalis.. If you mean by the process of reconciling Somalis and reforming this transitional framework, I say that would be great. But will it happen? You can easily retort back that it won’t happen unless we try it. How can we try it when these puppets think they won? When they talk like exultant winners do, what they don’t realize is that the other side did not suffer a bitter lose of public rejection. Instead, the mightiest army in the world drove Courts out of power! In that sense, its supporters can’t reason a defeat and are not going to be graceful losers. And the natural outcome of that is resistance. Your condition #3: The meeting must be held in Mogadishu. good suggestion I say. But again I am very skeptical about tfg having this kind of imagination. I must say, in principal, that I am in agreement with your proposed points and in the sequence you listed them! When the powers that be decided to take Courts out, however, I think they deliberately wanted to put us back into anarchy!
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President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
^^ Taako, I thought that semblance of order (the one icu brought) was what angered Ethiopia---and to some extent America! There is an impression of authority in the south represented by Ethiopia though! The irony of it is that TFGs weakness lies in that very show of power. TFG leaders are literally riding on the Ethiopian tanks and using its helicopters as mode of transportation. There lies the dilemma: if Ethiopia withdraws now Somalia quickly falls in to anarchy, as ICU’s work was undone. If it stays on, it constitutes an occupation force that they truly are and will remain the source of resentment! African troops are not coming soon enough to solve this quandary; America is not providing the necessary financial backing for it and Europe has its own ideas about Somalia and how it ought be stabilized. The other alternative is for Somalis to sort things out by themselves. I know we are capable of doing that but these leaders are not in a capacity to do that! Where’s the semblance of order that you speak of yaa Taako? ps-Castro, i am leaving now and so take it from there saaxiib ! -
President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
^^I actually meant to say 'yaa Taako'! War ninka ha igu carin qoor iyo xero ka dabagaaleeye'e ! PS--I think Taako is a serious man who hopes Somalia stabilizes. -
JB-yow, I too thought it at first as a spleen venting exercise but when I heard old man and Aydid's comments the gullibility of these men become apparent to me! I have just begun to think of them as victims of a great regional scheme!
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President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
You don’t get it adeer; it’s the success of the tfg that need be opposed for if it actually succeeds in its current form and allies Somalia, and Somalis will be doomed! An entity whose binding legal contract was used by Ethiopia to wage a destructive war so it can set back (not destroy it) its enemy and keep it in anarchy is not a government for me or for the average Somali person in Somalia. It proved to be a very useful tool and even America has recognized it’s value. Did you hear tfg leaders speak and comment on the latest bombardment on the very subjects they claim to govern? Don’t you see how they are manipulated, used and forced to celebrate for their own downfall? How can you with conscious support such a foreign tool? You see we can indulge political commentary and commomarate how Yeey outsmarted Aweys and defeated him. We can celebrate how Yeey proved to be from the deep ends of the gene pool and achiaved what AQasim failed to attain; a residence in Villa Somalia. But you are a lot smarter than that yaa Taako? At least you can easily foresee a turn in political direction as far as Ethiopia is concern, and imagine Puntland as the target of the western wrath and its Ethiopian helpers! Is that a far-fetched proposition adeer? If it’s not far fetched where would you stand on it then? Would you see it as a stabilization campaign or would you see it for what it is and recognize it’s regional agenda to prevent any progress or independency? Are you impressed with the American power that destroyed the ICU? Or you just hope by being Ethiopian friend there is a chance that America (a country that even refused to give a mere diplomatic relationship to Yeey’s tfg, mind you) might help this government? Adeer know that means don’t justify the ends! I feel our religion and dignity was attacked. The forces who hindered any progress in our country realized the danger that a peek of hope in the south represented to their regional agenda! They took advantage of our lack of planning; ICU’s inexperience caused a clausal setback to the very agenda they sat out to advance. But as I said before ideas can hardly be defeated! And in a one way or another, Ethiopia’s occupation will be resisted and ended. What might you contribute yaa Taako, i ask? -
^^We need this man; he’s very brilliant and this writing of his elevates our current debate! It exposes the naiveté of those tfg supporters who think Ethiopia is there to help Somalia revive again. It puts recent events in the large historical context of the region. Unlike Hirad’s article, Geeldoon attacks the premise of Yeey supporter’s argument and commits their illogicality to the flames so to speak. Allow gacanta ha kug goyn!
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President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
^^The lot from mudugh who's supporting Ethiopia is insignificant today! Fight the enemy, yaa Taako! If you don’t know who the enemy is that’s a calamity adeer! Originally posted by Khalaf: quote:Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Bro Fiqi, Inshaa Allaah indeed. If you remove the time factor from the equation, you’d find a very established pattern of Allah’s Sunnah in the past human events. I am predicting that Sunnah will be repeated. That's all. Explain adeer. ^^What's so hard to understand Khalafow? The Xaq, no matter how imperfect it's believers are, will eventually defeat the immoral power whose successes we today see. -
President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
^^That was a serious violation of Yeey supporter’s homoscedasticity relationship, yaa Taako . Now that you broke the pattern, how in the world are we going to estimate you saaxiib? -
War ninkan yaa yaqaan? Wixii igu jirey een oran kari waayey buu i yiri amaba noo wada yiri.
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President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
Bro Fiqi, Inshaa Allaah indeed. If you remove the time factor from the equation, you’d find a very established pattern of Allah’s Sunnah in the past human events. I am predicting that Sunnah will be repeated. That's all. -
Brown, these carpet bombardments were intended to prevent/cover Ethiopia’s embarrassment as it met a fiercely stiff resistance from the shabaabs! When everything else failed on them, the occupation forces are trying to punish the local nomads. It will backfire and the resistance will move back (I predict) in to the urban centers again where Ethiopia’s occupation is getting a false impression and is being treated as liberators by the puppet regime it put in place.
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President Abdullahi Yusuf meets with UNDP representative!
xiinfaniin replied to Fiqikhayre's topic in Politics
These 'loughs and gigles' will be short-lived yaa Che! -
US Air Force Bombs Southern Somalia Using AC-130 Gunships
xiinfaniin replied to Castro's topic in Politics
Castro et al, there could be a lot of casualties! The chill of death and despair is evident everywhere in the south. What’s to come is going to be even worse for Somalia. America’s brutal campaign defeated Courts men but it also succeeded to do away with the temporary return of law and order in Mogadishu! It paved the way for the return of the warlords. It deepened Somalia’s tribal mistrusts! It will hunt us for a long time to come! Today news wires reported old man’s arrival to the Villa Somalia. But it means very little given security realities on the ground. A genuine and stable Somalia can never be built on the graveyard of Muslim shabaabs, and a regime supported by Somalia’s historic foe will never win legitimacy from the majority of Somali people, I say. These premature celebrations will end abruptly when the reality kicks in. Those whom some celebrate as inherent shrewd and superb political practitioners will be shown to be mere puppets with no political agenda, and with a deep yearning for tribal vengeance! Allow u naxariiso.. -
US Air Force Bombs Southern Somalia Using AC-130 Gunships
xiinfaniin replied to Castro's topic in Politics
And yet some would attempt to spin this disturbing event and make it a shining success for Somalia! -
Puppet president says no negotiation with Islamists
xiinfaniin replied to Castro's topic in Politics
Negotiation is not a good option for the remnants of the Islamic Courts now. There are more fitting choices to make in dealing with the top men of the tfg. -
Ah, the old soul has finally achieved his political goal!
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Originally posted by Castro: ^ Ayaan darro indeed. And here I was thinking Pi was a level-headed young man. Exactly! Lets give him a chance to clarify that statement yaa Castro. I don’t think it’s open for a spin, and I hope he retracts it.
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Originally posted by Pi: ^^ Good riddance to bad rubbish. This is a very disturbing statement indeed. Why do you think, yaa Pi, the murdered sheikh was ‘bad rubbish’? Is it because he was an official in the Courts or a supporter of it? And how could you rejoice the death of an innocent man who apparently perished in the hands of Ethiopia’s henchmen? Clarification. Please!
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Mahadsanidiin reer Landhan iyo Odhawa
xiinfaniin replied to Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar's topic in Politics
^^Aad bay u mahadsanyihiin indeed. -
A love song for the I.C.U or incomptence comes home to roost
xiinfaniin replied to Liqaye's topic in Politics
1- ICU was incompetent because it lost the war. It lost it primarily because it lacked sagacity and could not foresee it coming. 2- ICU didn’t give up its heavy weaponry and give it to Ethiopia. That ate up their earlier success, which their supporters continually boast about. It was morally wrong to have done so. 3- ICU was disingenuous: it saved Mogadishu from the destruction of war while it intended to expose Kismayo to the wrath of Ethiopia’s invading army. 4- the only recourse that’s available for ICU (its remnants and supporters) is to concede defeat and embrace Ethiopia and the tfg! Any talk of insurgency and resisting Ethiopia’s occupation is not only idle but also incredibly immoral. ^^^Brother Liqaye, those points I highlighted above form the axis of your chief complaints/critique of ICU! In my response to Baashe, I addressed most of these points and gave a measured reaction to the baseless charges (some of the above points are baseless and amount to hearsay), which you reiterated here. But given your passionate post here and how you excessively moralized in this debate, I see the need to address them again! Reading this makes me feel all tingly inside, I would describe the sensation to you but again dear brother the rules of these boards are so constricting. It is a shortcoming because the poor planning, and deficient thinking of the upper echelons of the I.C.U has led to this impasse, oh I know in emotional language you will say that it was the T.F.G invitation of ethiopian troops that has led to the national humiliation, but since we already know the calibre of men that the T.F.G includes would it not have been obvious that this would be their recourse, that even the masses of the gog and magog would have been a okay to such dwarves as yusuf or aideed? Was it not the incompetence of I.C.U leadership that gave every gold-plated opportunity for the ethiopians and the quislings in baidoa? I appreciate the fact that you have control of your emotions. Hindsight commentary, however, does not represent a fair critique. Of course you and I, in light of the information that’s available to us now, can indeed understand the significance of the enemy Courts faced. We know now that Courts fought not only with Ethiopia who has an organized army but also with America and it suffered defeat as a direct result of latter’s logistical reach. Given what we know now, you and I, good Liqaye, would have done everything that’s humanly possible to save our shabaabs or would have planned in a different way to affect a different and favorable outcome. But that is speaking from the rear sight of the firearm as it were and hardly proves a point---it’s easy yaa Liqaye! Midda kale, are you lamenting about their heroic battle that unfortunately resulted into a depressing rollback of what they fought to advance? Are you yaa Liqaye? Losing a war does not necessarily suggest incompetence adeer. Need I cite you history to prove that point? There could be many factors that could have caused the defeat of ICU. Why did you so readily condemn them as an incompetent bunch, then? And if it was their sheer incompetence that threw you off, how can I take you seriously when you seem to embrace the tfg? Oblivion, Mark Twian was quoted to have said, is the only earthly certainty. Would I be widely off the mark if I suggest you suffer one? Precisely, handing over the weapons over to the the ethiopians or a T.F.G representative [for P.R purposes alone my dear dear brother] would have meant that the warlords influence would have been neutered, that isbaroyiinka would not be coming up again as they are know, or the fact that women are once again being attacked for their mobile phones would not be a fact, also the weopons and especially the heavy machinery that you talk about were not in the hands of clans, but were stored at clearly mareked I.C.U depots, which implies that the words I.C.U were not just painted on the doors but there was actual I.C.U control of the depots. just to clear the probable mispreception you had. This view of yours is dominated by powerful emotions. Obviously with such emotional fog I don’t think you could reasonably be held accountable for the utter impracticality of your suggestion above. How could a defeated army hand over its weapon to its enemy? And which warlord’s influence are you trying to neuter yaa Liqaye? The ones who come to the city riding on the back of Ethiopia’s invading tanks or those whom the Courts defeated few months’ back but now reportedly returned? Why would you profess one is better than the other and hence have the right to collect retreating men’s swords? Courts handed back the weapons to the clans from whom they have originally collected. Unless you are a passionate anti-ICU you cant accuse Courts by neglecting the security of their constituency and leaving them without defense when their actions were intended to just prevent that. They provided to the people of Mogadishu whatever weapon they could so they can defend themselves and keep city’s military balance in check. I also believe Courts have rightly anticipated armed insurgency to begin in that city and thusly left small armies in the hands of would be insurgents in Mogadishu so when the rebellion begins those who wish to partake in it would have the necessary means to do so. Not everyone sees the legitimacy of the tfg and the Ethiopian invaders so don’t get surprised if some still talk opposing and resisting Ethiopian troops in Somalia. There is a chance that Courts weapon will not decline in utility so giving it to the enemy would have constituted treason in my opinion. Finally after much diging we reach the crux of the matter, perhaps it is not obvious to you [but I must choose my words carefully since I wish to include as much viturperation with out being banned from the boards] that the two ideas you are putting foward are not only morally dishonest but diametrically opposed? They are not morally honest because as it is patently obivous the death you wish people to fight for shall not be yours, will it? Do you wish me to go and buy you a daalo airlines ticket right away welcome you in xamar and push you in the right direction, to people who will be ever so eager to support you in acquiring the 40 concubines you so wish to have, because I will brother in a heart beat, or perhaps you are actually doing something for the expected victory [apart that is than your fine contributions on S.O.L wich as you can see are is the reason that I wake up in the morning] such as setting up a jihadist fund, or a fundraising commitee or perhaps victory was what you preached in one of the anti-ethiopian demonstrations you organised? The other reason you are being morally dishonest is because you fail to realise what sort of vicotry you are aiming for, if you accept that the I.C.U as an entity is dead and the fact that it did not prepare it self for the possibilty that it might have to fight under occupation, then what you expect is the disorganised masses of xamar to fight along clan lines against the ethiopians, do you expect this sort of victory to occur this year or within the decade? Finnaly with the I.C.U discredited will it not be the old certainties that people will hold on to, like clan divisions and the warlords that thrive in such a sticking morass? Finally knowing the situation of southern somalia, the 17% literacy rate , the high infant mortality rate, the fact that 40% of arable land in southern somalia is mined, the fact that 170,000 somali refugees in kenya are scorned and treated like serfs and the ones in yemen are littering the deep blue sea, can you with a straight face look a somali in the eye and claim that war, and haphazard disorganised terror bombing war at that is going to give him or her dignity? Perhaps your version of dignity and what is dignified is diffrent than what is universally accepted. Your didactic tone aside, you do indeed have a point there. What dignity does Xiin see in a perpetual jihadi war that will inevitably cause many lives and that which certainly prolong Somalia’s strife? Perhaps I am being mulish here but the way I see it is that Somalia is invaded by its historical foe and as long that enemy is on our soil any means (of course acceptable means) of driving it out is justified. The alternative is even worse in the long run. Allowing Ethiopia to stay in Mogadishu, manipulate local clans there and get a foothold is worse alternative for Somalia’s future statehood than waging a violent insurgency war, which in the process could cause loss of innocent lives. Today, I heard, a local oromo imam has been murdered in Mogadishu. Muslims shabaabs are being hunted down in the jungles of Jubbooyinka. I don’t claim to have the moral certainty on this but I can’t easily accept a defeat of this sort so early. By losing one war and suffering the setback, Courts movements shouldn’t easily give up on their pursue of bringing lasting hope to Somalia, which they came very close to do. If it takes only one defeat to retire from their cause they shouldn't have tried it in the first place! True that a serious blow has beer strike against Islam’s political approach in Somalia. The zeal and fervor of opposing Ethiopia has been nevertheless strengthen, and that, however feeble, is a hope for me. I don’t know when the kind of victory I am talking about will be realized but that does not mean anything yaa Liqaye. Time is not the measure here. We may not even achieve it in our lifetime, but we should set the tone for future generations and instill in them the value of resistance against Ethiopia. If Ethiopia withdraws now and leaves Somalia’s affairs for Somali themselves then I would not see the value of continuing more fighting. Baashe’s suggestions, however bitter, would be a good and realistic approach to take. But as I said it there, given the realities on the ground and the attitude of the world I don’t see that happening any time soon. To the disappointment of those who are riding on the Ethiopia’s momentum now fights against Ethiopia are inevitable, and will happen. And I do see a dignity in them yaa Liqaye! Another point I would like to emphasize is that Courts were defeated primarily because of the resolve of the enemy they faced. Ethiopia has been planning this for a long time and is determined to not allow a genuine Somali state to emerge from the ruins of the civil war. It worked very hard to get a foothold in our politics and it understood Somalia’s tribal settings. Those who doubted its prudence before, recent events were quite illustrious to leave any room for further ambiguity. Instead of engaging in an endless hindsight commentary and analyzing what the Courts have gotten wrong, we should instead emphasize what the Courts have aimed to achieve but were unable to attain. Agree I will be if we subject the means to scrutiny but strive to realize Courts stated goals. You can’t genuinely quote Somalia dire statistics as a reason to stop fighting for ejecting the occupation force. Lets get the sequence right saaxiib the swords of resistance need be lifted against Ethiopia, Somalis need be reconciled, and then, and only then, will we e able to address the problem of Somali people whose dismal situation you have cited. As for the conspiracy of Courts double-dealings, which I see you theorize and present it as a fact that need be dealt, I say it’s baseless. Courts have not fought Kismayo and neither have they done any fighting in Jilib! The claim that Kismayo people resisted their plan of fighting in the city is a weak armor. Kismayo people, after all, were on the mercy of Courts fighters, and were no in a position to affect any influence on Courts decisions. To insist on such invalid points only shows how meager the information you have is. it does not warrant a serious response.
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