^^Actually there are reports of Courts men, after securing critical tribal alliances, patrolling in Mogadishu streets! Even the proposed sham conference is going to be held in Lafoole, I was told, to avoid or minimize the wrath that’s about to fall on Mogadishu! Perhaps one ought to put things in perspective: ---Courts defeated Mogadishu warlords, restored securities and brought hope for the Somali masses. ---TFG and Ethiopian troops defeated Courts, and brought insecurities with them and shut off the shoots of hope. Now they are talking about peace ...that can hardly stick...

Originally posted by Sheikh Sakhar: Ngonge is the culprit at fault here but two other persons are at guilty with him and that is Caano Geel and Mr. mischievous fraudster himself, Xiinfaniin. ^^ @Mr. mischievous fraudster. You see, all Xiin wanted to do was to moderate your emotions. To that regard, I have admittedly failed as you continue to spew your uncontrolled rubbish in every thread you participate in! Despite NOGNGE’s concessions, the only point I thought was worth of our discussion was the central point of Cambarro’s post. The rest were diversions from the main point caused by hasty posts! It’s simple adeer homo activities are prohibited by our religion. None of the Muslim posters in this thread contradicted that. The whole debate about homosexuality being natural or otherwise, though tempting a bit, is pointless (it's like debating about masalatul qadr!). That renders your whole exercise as no more than froths of a confused mind. ^^And with that being so, am I not justified to quote Geelle's poetic jabs which he poked at none other than his brother, Maahir? Afkahadalka wuxuu uumiyihu moodayyaa odogaa reeraade'e Anse ogi halkaad Maahirow iin ku leedahay'e

Cambarro, no it's not vaible! That doesn’t mean it will collapse immediately though! Tfg as stands today is a foreign puppet and I doubt if it can reach any political settlement with its adversaries.

^^I gather that’s all you could come up as a stunt yaa E.T.R ! I am disappointed!

^^Cambarro, you are absolutely right that the Courts are excluded; reportedly on the basis that the conference’s format is tribal gathering. That’s exactly what you want to hold a sham conference. I would rather have the following before I embrace any conference as a genuine. 1-All foreign troops on Somali soil must withdraw. 2-TFG must agree to be subjected to an extensive reform. 3- All Somali parties with significant political weight (including Courts) must agree and participate and be signatory to it. ^^then any talk about reconciliation will have a sincerity in it yaa Camabarro!

Cambarro, the question is not whether dialogue is productive or not yaa sister! The question is with whom, on what, and in what format and framework? Pay attention at how good Baashi formulated his queries. I think he’s asking questions along those lines, and not whether we should have a dialogue or not. That’s given yaa Cambarta!

Baashi, this so-called reconciliation conference is sham scheme to fool certain donors. Note the fact that it’s going to be managed by the tfg, which is a part of this conflict. Note the fact that it’s going to be held under the shades of Ethiopian tanks instead of our traditional acacia tree. And more importantly, note how hastily it’s arranged and announced with all the security threats hanging on it. I doubt it will held on time as marketed.

Originally posted by Samurai Warrior: Xiinfaniin – Yours is a rather soggy, less refined brush with which you seem to be oiling, my dear chap. For a moment there, I thought you were sporting dark shades in a dull autumn night with such gregarious prophesy of certain “clan orientated” plot against another in the South. Such contemptible blanket depiction with no tangible corroboration is disingenuous, if not insolent, and I would go so far as to brand it as demeaning of the dialogue. Observed here are those who had been euphoric with the rise of the TFG in as much the same way as others including yours truly who continue to glorify the ICU even at this juncture when some elements of the ICU mercilessly continue shelling from behind civilians population. One observes two contesting camps at each other’s throat each vying for the droppings of the corpses. And for one to deal the high almighty hand at the poker table with the good book soiled under one’s clammy armpits that has not seen a shower for days is notoriously condescending, if not daft at best. On one hand, there was the ICU whilst on the other there is the TFG. It is one thing to view the ICU as grassroots organisation, albeit not embraced by all, and arguable in some corners, with own feeble that had hastened own downfall, it is however another altogether to mistake their revolt for anything but that --- an uprising. A government, they were not, had no resemblance to one, and offered no visible tendencies to become one. Violent entity, the ICU had been which came about as a result of violent encounters departing in the same manner, violently. Amorous vista, I observe some still have for the thought of archetypal Islamic leadership in the land, which arguably they were not in my humble view. If it is the remote idea of effecting an Islamic state in the desired object, I am afraid the ICU demonstrated neither the intellect nor the proficiency in governing, not disregarding their dismal politicking. On the other, there is the TFG, a product of 24-month long political process that brought together political actors in the land. It is one things if you dispute the creation of the said political process, it is another altogether to question the authority of such product should you so agree with the process, which I trust you do judging from earlier posts of yours (if I'm not mistaken), unless of course we have an anarchist in the making in our midst. Perfect entity, it hardly is. Perfect leadership, it has not. But it is the closest to a resemblance of a government, though arguably representational in some corners. Thusly, perhaps we want to keep that in mind in discussions, and not get so high almighty with certain tenets some of us neither belief in, nor care much for. Tata… Samurai Warrior, I don not believe your protest about my original addresses has a merit given the fact that clannish orientation is the soul of this tfg. Perhaps my suggestion that one should not labor too mightily to imply otherwise is what threw you out of balance! Let me say it again, the gown of governance which tfg folks are sporting is too transparent, ironically, and reveals too much to even debate whether it’s clannishly inspired or not. So unless you truly subscribe to a certain intellectual fascism and thusly deem any query in to this entity’s character and legitimacy, you should discuss the merits of my suggestion and shun from this peculiar immoderation of talkativeness of yours adeer. You need to address, that is, the fact that the main revolt is coming from certain groupings that previously formed the bulk of the defeated courts. Ask the Dukes of SOL and they shall furnish you with wickedly coined terms to describe this despised lot, in their circles that is! As for the previous positions as it regards to this entity, true that some of us thought of it, when it was in its initial stages, as a tolerable entity to the extend it adhered to its mandate to complete the reconciliation process and addressed the root causes of our strife. That was yesterday. Come today and we have men without clothes when it comes to the most primitive political considerations of nationhood and devoid of any measurable competence to hold the country together. Quite happy, they seem to be, with their status of being Ethiopia’s trusted boys and giddy about the death and destruction that befell on us. They are sadly presented as legitimate Somali rulers in certain world stages whilst the conflict they were selected to resolve continues with newly acquired lethality and with similar tragic effects. Even more worrisome note is how the leaders of this entity come across as confident traders who stock our very civil war tragedy---their chief existence, as far as financial supply goes, seems to hinge on their current subscription to Uncle Sam’s terror fighting activity! Of course those sorts of dark alliances that’s exacted to serve narrow political/tribal goals render whatever the 24-month process produced to no more than new breed of warlords albeit with different scheme of profiteering that put our sovereignty and independency in question! Look at whose today, as it were, fell short of his yesterday yaa Warrior! Midda kale, I found it quite wanting to burry (as you did) ICU’s good deeds, on a one hand, and dress a failed entity with legitimacy, on the other hand. An entity that not only failed in its cardinal function, but also resorted to a plain politics of dishonor by inviting Somalia’s sole foe in the region to invade, that is! Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Old man leave Xiin alone, he is just trying to be popular with a certain crowd. General Duke, care to share who that 'certain crowd' is!

^^Of course I do blame them. But he could have been a lot smarter, I agree. His behavior played a big role but that doesn’t tell the full story. It’s like Iraq they punish them and isolate them and try to blame the predictable consequences of the policies they impose on whoever happens to be ruling the target country. It ‘s all common knowledge now adeer.

This topic belongs to the General section yaa xox ogaal! It will, or has the potentila to, spurr a heated debate in no time!

Zimbabwe is another victim of western tricks. It’s brutally decapitated simply because its President opposed some western ambitions or broke with his previous promises by daring to carry out his farm reform initiative. Admittedly his was untimely policy but that shouldnt hide West’s disproportional response, which ultimately is to blame!

Emperror gabdhaha xaal looma bixiyo. That's how it were them days...not any more, or rarely. And even if we must sacrifice some here, I would not suggest to waste Val for such a remedy.

When it comes to Somalia’s political polarities, a significant relative of mine always disarms me with the least effort from his part, and without employing splendid logics. His is a simple reasoning: Somalia is at a critical juncture where politics is intertwined with clan loyalties. I am but my clan and only a fool would expect otherwise. Heck with a legitimate government---that’s for the latter generation to sort out. There are no ambiguities of his desires to exact a lasting defeat on some particular clans. He cites history to justify it--a not-so-distant history that is. What the old man does and his policies are always right for they are above the domain of errors and inline with clan rivalries! It serves, to be precise, the narrow tribal interest and satisfies the wants of those who see things in a zero-sum-game! In other words, when some of us labor to justify current events in the name of returning governance to the lawless areas in the south, others, including the old man, know not how to mince words and say it as it really is: using all the means they could possibly get to win the Somali game. The consequence of their misguided efforts, they figured, will not be theirs to worry. No amount of grammatical riddles can cover that fact up. As far as I can see, and without harshly defaming one part of Somali booty contestants, foreign boots will never bring stability to us. They can tip the balance and help current muscles temporarily disarm others but that will be short lived. Hesitation is the only shame here yaa Jamaacah! Lets call spade a spade, you cant fight a particular clan because some of their youths and warlords had a brief upper hand in some regions or had disproportional dividend during the civil-war profiteering. That’s just plain crude adeer. The security issue in Mogadishu is real and dangerous. But that’s neither here nor there. tfg knows very well that the defeat of icu was not a natural phenomena. It was orchestrated and propelled by the tfg’s top men, al-be-it with the help of others. For them to come out now and decry the insecurities caused by the void they created is shedding crocodile tears. Their illegitimacy is highlighted by their weakness and infectiveness. Now they are forced to engage risky urban operations with anticipation of high civilian casualties, their effort to tame our consciousness in the name of combating with anti-peace groups is really pitiable, i say! ps-- i don’t think there will be genocide---Somalis are too primitive to do that. It requires a lot of machination to commit one! There could be some political realignment though, and a mild one at that. .

lol@Zafir. Emperor, this is generally the camping-ground for men with a highly groomed self and you cant be allowed to do your ‘tababar ’ moves on us…it’s gross adeer. Apologies are in order! Mistaking a man for something that he is not is a forgivable gaffe. But hastily proposing and actually attempting to catch him is the peak of your blunder. And now you come back come with additional threats and duals….waryee don’t force Zafir’s hand! The man is known to have exploded mini atom bombs for misdemeanors before—that’s a far less crime, mind you, then your felony here! But judging from your defiant stance here, you are unlikely to apologize for what you have done. So I will generously do it for you since I am another distant uncle of yours! Zafir waxaan kuu xukumay 3 halaad iyo baarqabkood, laba faras iyo hal dameer, iyo sideed-iyo-toban dooro. On top of that I have ordered my boys to gather all the biting ants in the neighborhood si aan quraanyo ugu jafno Emberor . ps--hopes Emperor does not mind my banter...

^^Aside from its angry tone and choice of slurring diction, this write-up represents legitimate grievance against the failed project of the secessionist drive. Is it not a hightime for Oodweyne to depart from his lame moves and address the gaps in his project? Jaylaani, Hadraawi's wisdom applies adeer. It's timeless in its literary value.

Right on yaa Cambarro… Actions depend on intentions, and there lies the effectiveness of religious duties! Without good intentions, one’s deeds render its result quite worthless in the Allah’s divine scale! The beauty of Islamic justice really lies in the essence that people are judged based on what they intended to do, and not solely what they did. A very good reminder yours is yaa Cambarro…always remember the power of good intent!

@Aan isku tababarano. Zafir, you must hide from the public eye until your wounded ego recovers ! I knew Emperor’s misfiring would hit the wrong target one day. But Zafir...innaa lilaahi waa innaa ilayhi raajicuun!

^^ Waxaadan helaynin usii hanqaltaaga Waxaadan huraynin adoon ka habsaamin Ayyaa ka hagaagsan …. Hadraawi. Perhaps recognition is the only thing Somaliland does not need! All Somaliland needs is to preserve peace and stability and improve its infrastructure. Marshalling evidence to show that it deserves world’s recognition as a state is a misplaced effort, and it sucks the oxygen out of other important things. And given the fact that the merits of recognition has many variables some of which Somaliland does not control, it’s only wise to develop governance capacity, build more schools…

^^Procreation is definitely one of the goals but not necessarily the measure of success!

^^I think he did once, liked it, and looking for the second one!

^^You too are forgiven . This is not a recreation adeer.

Originally posted by Roobleh: My goal of posting this tread is to accomplish two things: a)to establish that evolution exists and does not contradict religion. b) and that evolution does not support the opinion that "all life descended from one common ancestor." ^^I am afraid that sets you up for failure adeer! But I would lend you a receptive ear any way! Go and give a try yaa Roobka.

^^You're forgiven... Cara, apparently these four people thought their lives would be fuller, and their opportunities greater if they live together in a sacred relationship. As long the trusted man here takes care of the children he will beget and for the women he will impregnate, I think their story will be a success! Many of us are fleeting with guesses and theories of people and how they might live their lives. But are we not swimming in ironies when we mock people who break cultural taboos in pursue of happiness? In this case, a wise woman who went beyond her selfish urges and detained her emotions to have a more encompassing life! That’s the big picture yaa Cara! We tend to hold assumptions that are rarely met. But this one is badly formulated and has built-in anomalies that could hardly be compensated! The one most girls pushed here that is!

Rehearsing to do the same moves on Moga, are we not yaa Xalane?

Originally posted by hodman: quote:Originally posted by Che-Guevara: ^^^^Meesan noqon wali Hodman. Maalintii la, maqlo Hodman, Val iyo Serenity All-Ubaahne qabtay...May then waa la dhihi karaa Dumarkii xaraash iyo xoolo jaban soo kuwa noqday Oh my Che maxaa ka wadaa wadna xanuunkaas? Akhrud ay dhihi jireen islaamihii hore Xiin how is she the only wise woman? By inviting her husband to a perpetual state of chaos? ^^Don’t you like the sheer power of her humanistic gesture to share him with her friends? I am inclined to leave the details and technicalities of sharing this man for them and instead see the big picture of it; a very generous woman with big a heart! May they all realize the benefits of this….