You may be right yaa Che. May be, just may be, this kind of inhuman and crude treatment is what certain folks understand, and respect. Cambarro, Walaalo, the situation is very fluid in Xamar. On a one hand, you have hundreds of angry shabaabs striking without measure for their fellow brothers were ruthlessly killed and maimed, their leaders sent into hiding or exiled into distant lands. There is no way such shabaabs can refrain from attacking the enemy who caused their fresh wounds. For them, to target Ethiopian bases and tanks is utterly a justified act and within their rights. On the other hand though, you do have a clannishly inspired movement who wants to abort anything that resembles a government. And that worries me. The mixture of the two may produce a lethal force that could ultimately drive Ethiopians and fundamentally reform the tfg (if they survive). But it has its risks and anomalies. To sum it up waa laba darran mid dooro; let the Ethiopian occupation continues in the name of helping tfg and stabilizing the capital. Or settle for driving Ethiopians first, and by any means. I am with the latter option. Allow sidii roon!

This is just sickining wallaahi! The pictures are.

Don't bend for me yaa Pi! You are the real Khabiith here. They got chased you say. Who chased them? You? Who mowed them down? Number of years ago ‘defeated lot of yesteryears’ was quite fashionable in some circles. I really never understood why someone with adequate education and wit would use such a lame phraseology! Come today and we have the Dukes of this site who not only want to dwell where Tolstoy have been, but desire to outdo him and extend their buffoonery to the dead! When queried, it’s all about Indhacade-that-Aweys-that . That’s just pure B.S. adeer. Taako, Aayar with your tale-gating activity, I say. Rag baa is hayyee dhan uga bayr yaadan ku dhimane ! Jimcaale, this is getting annoying adeer. it’s as though I am dealing with uncultured Tigree boys wallaahi! What a lowborn lot! ps--my bad adeer! I just hoped you would have some religious blood and say some words on this disgrace!

No diversion is needed here folks. You can’t change the subject now or can you? Let me remind you, it’s about weak ******** who does not respect their dead and parade it for a mere political digs, and when one attempts to correct their wicked ways, spew their tribal hatreds. Yaa soo baxay oo kuwaa difaacay, I say! edit: Aah and the religously oriented Khalaf is here, with his smiles! Allaahu akbar! [ March 21, 2007, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

GD, don’t feign and subscribe to doctrines you lack yaa ******** (the pun is fully intended here). Lest you take us as the simpleton you are, we are quite equipped and capable to detect your rascality! Wishing some mercy on the boys whose dead bodies you paraded after you are singularly owned in this debate is quite incongruous with your initial tone and boastings. You are not only ********, and inherently [*******, but you are also embarrassingly *******! How else could anyone seek to exact a political propaganda through images of death and destruction of his own youths? To entertain you a bit, didn’t you figured how dull and tiring it’s to throw with your Indhacade-this-Xasan-Dahir-that outmoded lines in every debate. It’s defunct and quite passé’ to repeat such a useless mantras when debating with able minds. If anything, it shows that you’re teething with hatred and sickening clannish concepts. Cuqdad iyo ninkii ciilqababa looma caal helo’e . How true that line is. Now, the point of my argument has been made quite clear. What we are pointing out is your shameful method to make a point by showing dying youths. If it were the glory of being victorious and the excitement of wining the war that produced this wicked thread, I for one would have afforded you the benefit of the doubt. But who is the winner of this conflict yaa ********? You? Or your party, you might think? There are only two victors here in this conflict: 1- Ethiopia 2- Pentagon [to narrow it down for you]. Which one do you represent in these boards? Since your center fell, you don’t have to answer this question. It makes a point nevertheless! [ March 21, 2007, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Originally posted by General Duke: Xiin. .... Saxib you are indeed a shallow hollow individual, no more than Qabil-Ubahane and others who refuse to face facts. Insults are the marks of the broken men. You defacement is coming out clearly without your usual façade. If you wanted to discuss the narrative of that war, you could have easily created a thread and presented your point of view. Had you done so, you would’ve found me receptive to your version of Ethio-American vs. Courts war. I would have probably been combative but still less dismissive in tone. Instead what you and Captain Xalane done is indeed a full transitioning to zero. To choose images of Ethiopian artillery mowing down your own youths for a lame political commentary is jus debased tactic from your part. But you can’t admit it and that’s what’s sad about you adeer. Captain Xalane equally misses the point and continues to justify this move. Now I could be hallow or qabiil-u-baahane as accused, but I still have a point. Parading dead bodies, Somali bodies that is, is cheap, immoral, debased and crudely a low-grade tactic to make a political point. Allow ma u sheegay!

I am responding because i can. The boys met thier lord few moons ago. It's not thier wellbeing that we are talking about. We are talking about your attitude and lack of respect for the dead as you and your Captain chose to subject them to political commentary. That's law grade adeer. Where's Caamir?

There lies some wisdom---in Serenity's post. People take notice what a measured mind can produce without compromising own faith.

Hypocrisy eh! Is that what you have been laboring with? You are either committing a cardinal sin or you are seriously insane person! That’s my verdict. Let Caamir repond please! I am taking a sample data today.

^^You are indeed weak in many ways! Post biased articles if you so please but don’t resort to such a cheap tactic to subject dying souls to a mere political commentary is what I am saying. Is that a difficult to comprehend waryee?

^^Why do you think so Jananka ? edit: besides why not let the old man respond first (Caamir)?

Caamir, what about those who brought the enemy to kill them yaa Caamir? Somalis kill each other. Nothing new there. Getting some enjoyment from the demise of a brother is the new plague here yaa Caamir. Are you by any chance infected by it. Or you think the whole event an unfortunate eposide which only sick ones among us could be proud of? Did you notice the beast-like appetite our cyber Captain and General developed to see and watch our fragile bodies die? As one of SOL’s elders, albeit with different political convictions than mine, what say you adeer?

Khalaf, I am very radical in my beliefs. I tend to defend matters of faith when I feel the need to do so. It does not appeal to me however when one creates nonexistent issues and presents them as a genuine debate! That was what the thread you referred to was all about adeer. In this instance, you started a dual without securing the consent of the other participant first. As you can see one cant clap with a one hand and your match left unwatched. If you think about it, the chief achievement of this thread is that it has opened the door for the less cultured in our midst and gave them the opportunity to spew personal and uncalled insults on this nomad. Think the man who sports the most irrational number as a nametag, and consider how quick he completed his transition to zero. I am sure that’s not what you had in mind when you initiated this topic. Now it’s quite weak to suspect my intent without considering my rationale. In fact it’s un-Islamic to do so. Why my dear brother do you have to doubt my sincerity? I wouldn’t mind you doing that if it were in the politics section. But this, yaa Khalaf, is the General section where opinions are supposed to flow freely and with a bit of civility. Normally when the weak ones accuse me of hypocrisy, I take especial pride in it. But you, yaa Khalaf, come across too innocent to tally you as one of my cyber achievement. Serenity, polygamy is not on the agenda ee shiddada jooji !

^^ . Yes I did. Sorry to sound a bit greenish!

Originally posted by Emperor: ^^Adigu mar ruuge lagamana cantuuge miyaad noqotay Ii jilci adeer ! Cara, I think you have shown some admirable ethics over some aspirant debaters here. You were correct to decline. I do however believe those who forgo strict divine laws and conveniently change own clothes of faith are needy of a real theological stability. May be not now, but when day, we may want to have a hot cup of tea and sit on in one of that prairie State's coffee houses, and discuss to death why one needs a religious center so to speak to be whole and intact!

Folks leave Cara alone. I am sure Khalaf means good. But I doubt these sort of duals are productive and achieve any meaningful goals. LOL@Alle-ubaahane! Waryee Cambarro waa marwo reer leh ee saa u ogow. Adigu gabadhaad aragtaba dushaad isaga gannaysaa…

Duke, War against tfg and its Ethiopian allies is still fashionable in my circles! In any war, loss of life is expected, and at times inevitable. The issue is not that yaa Duke. Selecting dead corpses for political commentary is the issue here. I asked you why and you are still dancing around it adeer. I advised you to give it up but you are still at it. If you truly believe that Xalane fired an intellectual bullet when he posted a nude thread full of killing activities, your ailment, I must admit, is more serious than I originally thought. But it got me thinking why fellow Somalis at their most vulnerable moments is selected to highlight the said icu’s incompetence? Is it not that itself the peak of incompetence from your part yaa Duke? The boys perished in the hands of a superior enemy. That is a fact. Their combat performance may be, but their intent is not a moot point in my circles. History has recorded their valiant strides. If that’s not enough for you, you need to wait and hold your cards a bit for there are equally driven youths with newly developed lethality, hardened with combat experience, who’s perfecting their snares in Xamar! Wait till the prude fanction of insurgency who select targets with milatery values strike with precision. Till the misfires transform into direct hits that is... In the meantime lets not get desperate and parade dead bodies adeer.

And your point being? I did sense some level of enjoyment from your part. There is a fine line between opposing one group of Somalia’s political equitation and being enthusiastic---nay festive--- about/for our collective shame adeer! No amount of political cliché’s can wash away your sickening attitude about the last events! Give it up waryee!

Save from Boqor Cusman, and his young and distant cousin Kenadiid, the rest of these so-called isims were nothing but wise elders with limited authority. Even Boqor Cusman’s authority, though it had a dye of monarchism, failed to transition to a respectable sovereignty and was very limited in scope and function! Kenadiid, though he employed a brute and naked force to subdue locals, had developed some sort of governance and had a capacity to manage and claim number of townships! ^That was the reach of the said clan’s claim to monarchial ladder! Now and today, there’s nothing that remotely resembles like a king in Puntland. The man who sports with royal surnames in his abtirsi is none other the current leader of Puntland states. Asna boqornimo ma taaban. As for the charlatan ‘King Kong’, that must be a joke wallaahi, I say! So what is the fuss, I ask?

So the cyber Captains & Generals parade the corpses of the dead now to prove a lame point miyaa? What’s irking these brothers and making them stretch this far…?

Please iga guddooma one of Dhoodaan’s best spoofs; Habar kun iyo boqol haysataa la oggolaadaaye Sheekeeyooinkeedaana waa laga dhegeystaaye ..... Hadday tiraahdo anaa kaa yar waa laga dhegeystaaye Gaarinimo kolkay sheegatee muranka dayn weydo Waxaa lagu yiraahdaa bullooy shaah inoo kariye Qaxwahay samaysaa hadduu muufo noqon waayo Kolkaa been inay sheegtay baa lagu ogaadaaye !

^^Unlike you, I hold NGONGE to be another Muslim who respects Allah’s laws and complies with it as much as he can! Suggesting that the actions of quumi luudh tend to originate from a natural deviation and it’s inherently defective in desire is not necessarily a blasphemous act. It’s however a matter I disagree with on many grounds. As I pointed out in an earlier post, I believe man was borne in a fitrah and was brought forth in state of natural purity. That itself is a divine claim, mind you, and an article of faith for me. We are Muslims first and not logicians adeer. If one of us suggests that Allah’s laws are above reasoning and it need be complied on the basis of faith, I don’t see him committing a blasphemous act or mocking Allah’s wisdom as you allege! In fact, there are greater theological matters where only faith, and not reasoning and rationalization, offer the answer and rightly so. What irks me is not that you’ve refuted NG’s weak point but it’s the fact you’ve put the man and his faith on trial. It’s the fact that you’ve liberally accused him with all sorts of faith-nullifying stuff (a person who’s blasphemous and shows no respect for Allah’s sacred concepts and teachings is out of Islamic circle, mind you). You see adeer, dolling out labels with weighty theological consequences is indication of a troubled character yaa Yonis. Needlessly to say that one can hardly take you serious when you habitually dwell in that sickening domain! Give it up adeer. It was the nation of Iran yesterday that you put out of the Islamic ring; you are doing to NGONGE unknowingly! If I were to assume that you really meant to educate the brother and sincerely wanted to right his wrongs, the manner and the style you presented yourself suggests otherwise and I cant help but detect the inadequacies of your efforts. What is the point of debating from an Islamic perspective yaa Yonis? If it’s to help a brother see the right path, and forego other more convenient paths for it, you are far from the mark adeer. For that, you might be better in penning your opinions in a more secular fashion saaxiib!

^^Yonis, did you not accuse him with blasphemy(سب الدين, عدم احترام المقدسات‏)?

^^^Add that the Target Corp handled this matter quite courteously and gave all its Muslim employees the option to work in other sections without reproach! Midda kale, Target has recently started to incorporate an upscale grocery line in its merchandise! So it wasn’t an issue they have faced before.

^^ThePoint, I hope you don’t mind if I entice our Drama King to even wonder more about Xiin! Yonis, I don’t doubt your intentions. But your style stinks adeer. You come out as a one who lacks the most basic Islamic manners! Little knowledge hurts its bearer comes to mind! And I may leave it at that. Btw, do you think your taunts about NG have probably destroyed whatever good you’ve done in the course of this discussion?