On the the question of percentages, how about this: brought over by the isticmaar and previous unfair goverments=40% brought over by Jabhado=15% Nomads=40% Others=5% Source: Adeerkay.

^^NG could be a Burcaawi at times and you should have no delusions as to what hat he would be wearing when the push comes to shove…

Bad case = Baaruud? Ma anaan garan dhega adaygaaga .

^^You are doing it agian yaa Baruud. Ninkii ku mucaaradaba waa calooshiis u shaqayste soo maaha...i am sure you will throw the same charge if Siilaanyo comes out against Somaliland's bid to secede...

Waa wacyi gelin loo baahanyahay xilligan yaa Haneefa!

^^Castrow, one of the reasons I jump on Somaliland threads is because I sensed some intellectual fascism when it comes asking hard questions about the legitimacy, and in your case, genesis of secessionism. The other day I listened one of my intellectual heroes dismantle quite easily and with a marked civility about this notion of independence. His points were easy yet the man who was debating him could not handle it. Check Prof. Samatar’s discussion with Siilanyo. Si xalaala weli loogam niqaashin in Somalilnad go’do iyo inkale…ninkii ka horyimaadaba waxaa la oronayaa car Hargeysa imow waan ku xiraynaa ama waa lagu dilayyaa.

Huri waayaye'e bal aan u hollado... I must agree with Duke on the Kismayo issue being not significant. The militias that have the control of the city neither have the political infrastructure to maintain holding it, nor the military and logistical capacity to defend it if attacked. When the old man’s boys show up with their Ethiopian brethren, this confused militia will find a way to melt back into the populace. And unlike Mogadishu where the fighters had the people with them and were aiming to oust Ethiopian and their tools, a bigger goal than fighting for a mere political recognition, Kismayo’s militia will find themselves in a hostile political environment where clannish sentiments are tense and past bloody history of the city lingers in residents’ memory. Their incoherent political standing is quite transparent. Check this: here you have a militia that’s on steroids, and, if you listen some folks, wants to show their political formidability through force; did it before, and had the city on their thump for years. Now the game has changed and the side they threw their luck with got the temporary upper hand in the Somali conflict. Their grumbles are purely political in nature, and that, my dear friends, does not appeal even to those who staunchly oppose the old man and his policies. They are not angry because Ethiopia invaded Somalia. In fact their leader presided the war and is a proud member of Ethiopian coalition. They are angry because a man from a different clan than theirs got Kismayo’s top post. When the good wadaads were on top of things they allotted the top posts of the city to the very clan they claim to represent yet this militia was the loudest opponents of the Court’s movement. Reason? Barre, their leader, was discarded. The SOLers who support this type of flip-flopping need to inject some rational thinking in their posts….

Castrow, waa carraabay adeer! But if it's a question of proportianality then i think you have a point...but the unionist concerns are real adeer! Waa inoo berri IA.

Dukow, and an interesting story it indeed is! Mogadishu is being pacified but for whom? What political purpose do you reckon recalling toothless warlords serve? What is the national agenda? Who’s onboard with it? Puntlanders? Somalilanders? Other than Ethiopia and Bush, and perhaps Kenya, who’s sponsoring the Somali stability? Will the reconciliation conference be held? By who? If the survival of the old man as a political contender is what grantees him a noble place in the history books, then I must concede that to you. If however his legacy and the consequences of the political choices he made and how they impact our future is what determines his destiny as a historical figure, then your delineation of his political maneuverings adds no value on that regard. It’s the result of it, in the long run, that will matter, and not the actions or the intent behind them adeer…

^^It's not as much as ruling specific pockets in Somalia by force, as the case may be in Mogadishu, but what Somalia he leaves behind. If he manages to leave behind a relatively peaceful and politically stable Somalia, i would agree with you that he would be viewed differently by the next generation. But given how things are on the ground, i think the chances of that happening is quite slim...

^^Emotion has nothing to do with it adeer. The man has no standing in average Somalis. What you and Him perceive as enemies is your fellow Somalis who happen to disagree with you politically. Those you deemed friends are your enemies. That you conveniently forget your history and the global context in which you operate does not take away the enormity of what has transpired. History will not be kind for him if he departs this world with Somalia in its current state.

^^Those who were on CIA’s payroll and fought with the Courts got rewarded after Courts defeat? What does that tell you? Never mind. I know what it tells you. It tells you that a new epoch has come into being!

^^Do you see any warlords in the current makeup of this tfg? Forget about the defeated ones---just for a second.

LOL@Geeljire & Faarax! i was at my wits end when i assumed otherwise...you are well versed wallee! I am sure others will try spinning to a different direction and that's what i am here for...catch them and detain them till Duke arrives with floads of propoganda !

TheSomaliEconomist, what makes it 'great article'? Oversimplification?

^^He needs to see me. It's urgent! Nin yar baad ka sheekeyneysaa adeer~~

We are in a new epoch. Siad the author of this poorly written commentary! Let us see: Mohamed Dheere is the new Mayor of Mogadishu. Qaybdiid is the new Police Chief. Qanyare is about to assume his previous post as the Minister of National Security. That bit is a rumor. Yalahow and his fellow Finish are about to be crowned for new Ministerial responsibilities…

^^Geeljire, someone needs to convince me first about what makes Somaliland distinct from the rest. Read the questions I posed to good Baaruud in the other thread and try to answer them. The role of Somalilanders is the same very role you and I have to regain our dignity. There will always be a segment, in any society, who stands to benefit from others demise--those I believe are minority and all informed Somalis with good consciousness are not proud of what has transpired during the absence of Somali state. But come again adeer and answer me those questions…

He is a loser. Thusly he will be remembered as such! Sadly his loses are not merely his, but ours as well. History well record him as a man who could not control his greed for power and did not know when to stop; that he was used by the enemy of his land; that he was able to cut a deal and compromise with Ethiopia but was unable to do so with his fellow clansmen…. his legacy of detaining the country for Ethiopia and misinformed western intelligence folks, will require a concentrated effort to overcome. How long I don’t know…it took 150 years? for Algeria, 80 some years? for Egypt…65 years? for Palestine and still counting…about 4 years? for Iraq and is till counting …

Originally posted by Castro: ^^^^ Atheer Xiin, do you have any idea how far we are from unity? The Somaliland issue is the symptom not the disease. Getting all hot and bothered about the symptom while ignoring the cause doesn't impress me much. The lack of unity we have is not a geographical problem of borders but an ideological one of clan allegiances. Castrow, somaliland’s political elite seeks independence. They would do whatever it takes to achieve that goal. That not only puts them in league with the old man and his fellow warlords, in the big scheme of things, but also, and more importantly, it complicates efforts to achieve unity, ideologically and geographically. It renders our standing quite weak. To be sure Somaliland did not cause the political and clannish ills that caused the demise of Somali state. But to ignore the nature of this movement is simply wrong. What can one do about it? Not much it seems. But talk about it. Point out its holes. And put it in the context of Ethiopia’s regional ambitions. If you think Somaliland’s pronounced policy of separatism is not a serious one, then you need to educate me. And please tell me what are the root causes of Somalia’s problems if not External forces exploiting our weak tribal settings?

Unity is the only way to victory...

LOL@Abwaani's signature. Amiin Caamir innaba caadi maaha .

^^Markaan adeeradday waco afkay abur kasii deynayyaan...ayyaamahaan wargal maaha...alyacni waa xanaaqsanyihiin! The old man and co want to turn this into anothere argagixiso thing...thats sad wallaahi!

Yaa warkii Kismayo hayya? I needs Kismayo news...kobtatadan...here and hadda!

Originally posted by Wisdom_Seeker: … I tell you people unity equals POWER Unity equals power. Says this xakiimah... The wisdom of the day!