^^Istaghfurullaahi! Alla maxaad danbaabaysa yuwmul jumcahan! Eritereans are the original xabashis, while somalis are arabs boosted by African genetics adeer!

^^Dawladda dadkoo dhan baa nacay hadda...it's too transparent adeer!

Thanks much yaa Sharmaarke! Didn't know it was gabay xayir, but i always undertood it in its political context! That the originator was from Hawd is a revelation to me! Reer Hawd wax ka kibir iyo booto badan...

Jujew, only Duke could answer that question...

^^Illaahay uun baa kaa weyn Legendow .

Originally posted by AYOUB: Xiinow are you reduced to using SOL village idi*ts' arguments? Somaliland is represented on the Buluugle's star and you should show it the respect it deserves. The 1960 Union was a building block project to something "greater", which as we now know turned out to be a major failure. This project failed big time and I'm out as I came in, simple as. I'll deal with my problem my way, you deal with yours. Who are you adeer? When you came in, you were not alone, and now to get out, you need the consent of those who were with you! Markii raggu sida odoyadda makhaayadaha jooga u hadlo waa shiddo adeer. Maantoo dhan waxaan ku leeyahay qabiil qurihi qaran ma noqon karo, haddu damco inuu noqdona kuwa kalana waa ku dayyaanayaan, kamana celin kayarsid...but you seem to be ignoring it for your own peril!

^^Ee goortuu dibbiray xoolihii reerka kula dooday Illeen kama duwana tan ay wadaan nimanka ******![/i] Baashow Maxamed Dheeg of Hargaysa inuu ahaa baan u mlaynayyaa...good Sharmaarke[/i] will correct us! ps--ninka waa iga qosliyey wallaahi, dalka waa lakala leeyahay'e iyo dawladda illeene'e!..that's was he was feeding snm folks in those days. Illaahow kuu naxiiriso!

^^^Before I rule you and your cousins out lets first reason here, shall we yaa Ayoub! Should Somaliland be fortunate enough, as many hope here, and get the recognition it so greatly desires as an independent state with all of its original borders intact, would good Ayoub accept as a rational choice if the good people of Borama so determinedly decide to secede from the just borne state? Would he afford the same freedom to the good people of Burco? What about Sool and Sanaag? Where would he stop? Would that hypothetical secession diminish the essence of ‘Somaliland-nimo’? Or more boldly, does Ayoub Sheekh see any value to the territorial integrity of Somaliland? Does he count it as a one of basic component of the character of his yet-to-be-born state? If affirmative, what is the thing that which would give Somaliland a territorial cohesion? These are practical questions saaxiib, and unless one is willing to consider the predictable ramifications of balkanizing what’s left of this broken nation and stripping it the most visible pillar of its structure, reason with all its magic-like powers ,Ayoubow, sadly remains a very problematic exercise to take on. This is not questioning one’s intents and religious convictions. This is, (the issue of separatism and secession is), a weak political tool to divide us, and it will only serve the interests of our regional enemies, namely Ethiopia!

^^I think he will direct his wrath on NG ! Khalaf is a cool guy when he's not discussing politics...Allaw daa!

NG, You see, you are too hasty today adeer! I was gonna let her first confirm or deny what I’ve proposed, namely that she has confused herself and wore a qabiilist hat. Her answers to my question indicate that she hasn’t probably given enough thought for this qabyaalad thing. So you are right in many ways people don’t realize their wicked ways… But i must disagree with you that it's not that difficult to discern right from wrong when it comes to Somalia’s transparent clannish system! Khalaf, waxba ha is shiddeyn adeer...i could've pm ebyan if i am serious about her clan .

^^And another anarchist said: Haddii dary weyn ka dhalan ama daas xoog leh Dibnahayga waa xiran lahaa sidaa dad qaarkiise Ninkii aniga ii dudahayyaa muu dibiro ciilka Oo muu dac dhaho carada waa lala dillaacaaye'e Sharmarkow ma haysaa the Berberaawi threats when he said: Ciise muuse mooyee hadday cidiba noolaato.. I think it was more of a political threat thu though..

Originally posted by Ebyan: If certain individuals from my qabil were to commit injustices towards other individuals of other qabils, I would condemn them and their actions, but that wouldn't diminish the amount of love(/pride) that I have for my qabil. ^^If your love for your qabiil and your pride in it does not compel you to support them even when they are wrong, then you are not qabiilist! Your claim to be one is most likely out of ignorance adeer. Qabiilists not only love their qabiil but they also do die for the cause of their qabiil! You’ve managed to confuse yourself, and, in the process, dragged us all to get into an unreal argument! You're forgiven. ps--Noo sheeg qolodaada hadaba! pps--Castrow qolodee labaxda Ebyan adeer? edit: Khalaf, What about if I tell you when I arrived back to USA after short stay in Nairobi I felt home!

Ebyan, Horta qoladee tahay? you are not getting it adeer. Your qabiilist tendencies goes beyond you! What would you do when the qabiil (this is tricky because a wicked person could easily speak in the name of your qabiil and secure followers ) you love so much commits injustices on other qabiils in the name of you noble qabiil? ps--forget about what most somalis do, just what would you as a person do?

^^Adna qolodee tahay?

Originally posted by -Lily-: I am well aware that qabil is alive & kicking in the Somali community, all I'm saying is that it should just remain a fact and all the importance given to it by some should be diminished, at least to a reasonable extend. People have come to relay more heavily on qabil networking because of the collapse of the country. Ebayaney, understanding the sentiments expressed in this thread’s lead question is quite different than justifying it and defending it. Lilly is not denying the reality that is Qabiil. She’s objecting to how it’s misused and promoted. You, on the other hand, seem to be justifying it and putting up a weak defense for it. All you need to do is to read between Lilys’s posts with a measure of openness and you shall have no difficult understanding what’s wrong with such assertions---you dont need to see me ! Qabiil is defferent than Qabyaalad. Example of qabiil is Xiinfaniin wanting to know Lily’s’ qabiil or Castro’s. That’s ok in my books. In fact the Quran says it’s the only function for which qabiil should serve. Qabyaalad however is when this simple identification tool is promoted to be all-in-one system that not only claims to provide protection and security for its members, but also emits merit into any system of governance and validates leadership-creation processes. In essence, if you accept such a wicked system, you reject whom you are as a unique human being with distinct thinking processes and subdue yourself to be in alignment with that system’s group-thinking practices. As the last 16 years attest to, the type of problems such system is capable of solving are quite limited. It can never be a substitute for the kind of systems we need develop or leverage to solve our problems as Muslims and Somalis---hence the claim the Qabyaalad is a helpful or beneficial reeks ignorance~~~

Geeljirow, picture this: 21 century Geeljire milking the she-camel while watching Al-jazeera news on his laptop somewhere in Hawd region~~

^^Somalis in Kismayo are different. They eat fish iyo qubaba... Of course nomads dont eat fish for they have no contact with sea.

^^You of all people cant see how insulting it is to be fed with fish for a nomad? i thought you was a geeljire!

^^Very interesting take on the issue at hand. Why don’t you articulate what is sham about ‘Somalinimo’ or false about unity based on the territorial integrity of Somalia? I would appreciate if you could present a coherent argument that deems defending Somali unity as mere ‘desktop nationalism’! Try it yaa Warmoog!

Oodweyne would have easier time dismissing all of us as a peculiar mixture of yesterday’s defeated lot, today’s coward cynics, and utterly unashamed, shameless, and barefaced old man followers . where is he these days? i wonder !

^^Puntland supposedly rules five regions. [edit]I have seen/been to none of them! Yet when it comes to Puntland issues, I think I am more Puntlander than Cadde and the old man combined! ps--You need no affirmation from the said group adeer. pps--The article is not that great, in terms of how it handled the subject it chose to talk about. But it has the right sentiment, and reflects the political anxiety on the ground!

Cadde Muuse ma Aqbali Doonaa Doorasho, Hadii la dooran waayo-se maxuu samayn? Afeef: Nidaamka waayadan Soomaaliya ku dhisan tahay ayaa ah in maamulka lagu qaybiyo hab qabiil, sidaas daraadeed marka laga hadlayo caddalad falka maamulka waxaa la eegaa sida uu dadka ugu sidan yahay. marka arrintaas laga hadlayona looma jeedo beesha uu markaas madaxweynuhu ka dhashay ee waxaa loo jeedaa sida uu madaxweynuhu ugu tagri falay caddaalada iyo in la iftiimiyo hab dhaqanka maamulka si xukuumaddu ugu waano qaadato ama si xukuumadda xigta aysan khaladkaas oo kale u gelin.... Sharci ahaan mudadii xukuumada Cadde Muuse xilka hayn lahayd waxay ku eegtahay biloowga sanadkan soo socda ee 2008, su’aasha is waydiinta mudan waxay tahay Kaabe Cadde Muuse ma geli doona doorasho, mise waxuu sida muuqata dalbanayaa muddo-kororsi? Haddii aynaan is indha tirayn ma muuqato wax u eeg doorasho, ma muuqato wax u eeg dimiqoraadiyad. Website-ka uu Cadde Muuse leeyahay (www.puntlandgove.net) waxa lagu qorey in Cadde Muuse xilkiisu ahaa muddo 4 sano ah!! Ma garanayo cidda la rabo in ay qoraalkaas aaminto. Yaa beenta loo sheegayaa? Yaa la marin habaabinayaa? Macno wayn keeni mayso in aan ku meermaraysano doorasho ha dhacdo iyo yeysan dhicin, ee waxa waajib ah in la badbaadiyo mandaqadeena maadaama aynu indhaheen ku aragno dhaqan xumada xukuumada hadda jirta. La yaab ma lahan in aan aragno Xildhibaan Xareed oo xukuumad ku amraya in ay Garoowe ku soo laabato, waa wadiiqo lagu yaqaan qof kasta oo xil kororosi raba. Is waydiintu waxay tahay Golaha wakiilada Puntland oo weligood Cadde Muuse u sacab tumayey maxay maantey u muujinayaan siday uga soo horjeedaan musuqmaasuqiisa? Malaha Xareed waa saxanyahay oo Cadde ayaa iska indhatirey golihii wakiilada… Si kastaba ha ahaatee waxaa inoo wada muuqda in golaha wakiilada aysan ahayn ha’ad u madax banaan sharci dejinteeda. Rumayso ama ha rumaysan, maamulka Puntland waxaa gole sharci dejin ka ah dhowr wiil oo ay Cadde ilma adeer yihiin, dhamaan wasiirada golaha xukuumada Puntland waa hurdaan, umana madax banaana shaqadooda, tusaale ahaan wasiirka kaluumaysiga waxaa ka awood roon xoghaynta madaxtooyada Eng. Cayduruus. $100,000 oo Doolar oo lagu Ganaaxay Maraakiib iyo Doonyo tiradoodu dhantahay Sagaal (9). Boosaaso: Maxkamadda darajada Koowaad ee G/Bari Boosaaso ayaa May 7, 2007 waxay xakuntay doonyo, marakiib muddo 10 cisho ka hor ah laga soo qabtay aagga Qandala iyo Caluula. Lix (6) ka mid ah doonayahaas waxaa lagu ganaaxay lacag u dhexaysa $3200 ilaa $47,000 oo Doolar. Waxaana Saddex (3) doonyood kabtanadii wadey lagu ganaaxey midkiiba $5,000 oo Doolar. Isku darka lacagta lagu xukumay doonyahaas waa $100,000 oo Doolar. Waxaa kale oo ganaax lagu xukumay shaqaalihii doonyahaas oo tiradoodu 104 qof, kuwaas oo mid kasta lagu xukumay $100 doolar. Maxkamadda waxaa guddoomiye ka ah Maxamed Cabdi Awaare, waxaana xeer ilaaliye ka ahaa Axmed Taaran. Saddex (3) ka mid ah doonyaha la xukumay waxay ruqsad ka haysteen maamulka degmada Caluula, waxaa sidaas sheegay Maamulka degmada Caluula. Gudoomiyaha degmada Caluula, Xareed Ciise Cumar, waxa uu qaar ka kamid ah warbaahinta Boosaaso u sheegay inay racfaan ka qaadan doonaan xukunka doonyahaas lagu ganaaxay. Waayadan danbe reer Garoowe waxay u ooynayaan xukuumadii oo ka guurtey magaaladoodii, qoraalkaygii hore baan ku xusey in musuqmaasuq jiro, sida muuqatana reer Garoowe ayaa si wayn iila arkey is-daba marinta boqor Cadde iyo ilma adeertiis. Bal u fiirso baaxada uu leegyahay sharci jebinta Cadde Muuse, sidee bay ku dhici kartaa dawlad aan deganayn magaalo madaxdii mandaqada? Maxaa geeyey Boosaaso? Golaha wasiiradiisa maxaa ku daba darey oo geeyey meesha uu Cadde joogo? Sharci jebinta Cadde Muuse kuma ekaan in uu Garoowe iskaga huleelo, waxaa tusaale kale kuugu filan fadeexada uu waayadan ka wado Bosaaso, ilma adeertiis maraakiib ay soo af-duubteen oo ay ka waayeen wax hanti ah oo ay kala wareegaan ayaa maxkamad soo taagey maraakiibtaas oo u soo socdey in ay helaan ruqsad kaluumaysi. Akhristoow xeer ilaaliyaha, kan wax dacwaynaya, kan qaadiga ka ah maxkamada, kan makhraatiga ah, kulligood waa Cadde Muuse qooyskiisa. Maxaan ku sheegi karnaa maxkamda noocaas ah? Maalinimadii Axadda, May 6, 2007 hoolka maxkmada degmada Bosaaso waxaa iska taagey nin sheegtey in uu yahay xeer-ilaaliye, waxa uu aad u baryey qaadiga maxkamada isagoo dalbanaya in maraakiibtan lagu ganaaxo lacag, xeer ilaaliyuhu ma uusan tilmaamin wax sharci ah oo uu ku tiirsan karo. Dabcan way iska cadahay xeer-ilaaliyaha in waxa uu doonaya oo ku wayni tahay lacagtaas ganaaxa ah oo lagu soo rogo maraakiibta iyo doonyaha, dabcan ninkaasi wax dan ah kagama jiraan kaluumaysiga sharci darada ah oo loo haysto maraakiibtan. Waxaa xusid mudan in maraakiibtan iyo doonyahanba laga soo qabtey meel u dhow magaalooyinka Qandala iyo Caluula, maxaa loogu maxkamadaynayaa Bosaaso, maadaama maamulka labadaasi magaalo ay iyagu xaq u leeyihiin in ay la xisaabtamaan maraakiibtaas iyo doonyahaas? Su’aasha kale ee is-waydiinta habooni waxay tahay aaway mas’uulkii dhamaa ee Puntland? Jawaabta oo fududi waa in uu UAE joogo, balse qaybta dhibta badani waxa weeyaan maxuu ka qabanayaa UAE ee oo uu hadda muddo ku sugnaa? Cadde Muuse waxuu UAE aadey wadanka oo colaad ku jira, qaab dhismeedka xukuumada Puntland ayaa ku dhisan in madaxwaynaha Puntland uu isagu yahay taliyaha Milliteriga, way muuqataa in uu waajibaadkaas dastuuriga ah uu iska ilaaway. Cadde Muuse oo heshiis la saxiixanaya Sheikha Ras Al Khaimah | Apr 16, 2007 Nin meel u caddaha meeli ka madoow!! Dhahar oo Somaliland qabsan rabto ayuu Al-jaabiri iyo maafiyadii Dubai kula shirayey. Yaabka yaabkiis. Qofka waxaasi sameeynaya waa madaxweyne. Aynu iftiimino qulqulatooyinka waayadan ka socda Boosaaso, Garoowe, iyo Xuduudka, sida qof kastaayi ogyahay magaalada Boosaaso waa xaruntii ganacsiga DGPL, waxay hooy u tahay ganacsatada Puntland. Dekedda magaalada Bosaaso iyo weliba Gegida diyaaradaha waa labada ilood oo ay ka soo xerooto dhamaan lacagaha canshuuraha ah ee ay dawladu hesho. Magaalada Boosaaso waxay la ciirciiraysaa golihii xukuumada oo xarrun ka dhigtey kana soo guurey magaalada Garoowe oo aysan wax lacag ah haba yaraatee aan ka ahayn mushaharka looga keeni jirey Boosaaso ka heli jirin. Dhibaatada haysta magaalda Boosaaso waxaa ugu wayn iyadoo isbarbaryaac wayni ka jiro magaalada. Boosaaso waayadan waxay la deristey amni xumo iyo isku-haleyn darro, cid kasta oo Boosaaso joogta xilligay doonto ayay ka cabsi qabaan in uu iska hor imaad dhaco, sababtuna way cadahay waa ganacsadihii reer Sucuudi Caraabiya ee yiri arigi Puntland baan hal maxjar ku kaydsanayaa oo keligay qaadnayaa… Arrinkaas waa laga dhiidhiyey oo ganacsadtii way ku gacan sayreen, taasi waxay keentey in la kala shakiyo oo magaaladii ay u muuqato meel kalashaki. Magaala madaxda DGPL waa cidla. Mataxooyadii iyo dhamaan xafiisyadii dawlada waa banaanyihiin, Cadde Muuse-na waxaan hubaa in uusan wax wayn u arkin in uu magaala madaxda ka guuro sababtoo ah dastuurkii la rabey in uu ku dhaqmo ayuuba aaminsanyahay in uu yahay kan ka hortaagan helitaanka maalka uu u mintidayo in uu dhaqso ku helo. Cadde Muuse xil iskama saarin in uu ilaaliyo gobolada Sool iyo Sanaag oo ah baro colaadeed oo ay ka taagantahay muran dhulsheegasho ku saabsan iyo khilaaf siyaasadeed oo inoo dhexeeya maamulka Somaliland. Dadkaas reer Sool iyo Sanaag ee u baahan in la gaarsiiyo maamuladii muhiimka ahaa isla markaana loo qoondeeyo mashaariic horumarineed ma aysan helin xaqoodii, waxaaba khatar ku jirta amnigoodii oo aysan aqoon waxa ay ku dambeeyn doonto aayahooda dhow. Hadii aad isku geeysid dhamaan khaladaadkaas Cadde Muuse ku kacayo waxaa toos ku garanaysaa in Cadde Muuse uusan lahayn awood uu ku hogaamiyo dadka kuna degsado siyaasad uu ku hago barnaamijkiisa awoodeed. Madaxweyne ku guuldaraystey in uu kasbado dadkii, ku guuldaraystey in uu amnigii gobolka horumariyo, ku kacey musuqmaasuq baahsan, dhacey hantidii umadda si aan dahsoonayn, aan haysan wax khibrad ah ama aqoon uu wadankii ku sii maamulo, sida muuqata ma rabo in uu doorasho ku dhaqaaqo, mana raba in uu ka dego xilkaas. Sababta aan sidaas u leeyahay wax waaye, qofku markii uu isleeyahay dib ayaad codka dadwaynaha ugu baahan doontaa ma dhaco hantidooda, ma khalkhal geliyo nabadgelyadooda, horumarkooda ayuu u kacaa, wax lagu xasuusto ayuu reebaa. Marka qof aan intaas oo dhan sameeyn wuu hubaa in uusan helayn hal cod ama hal taageero, sidaas daraadeed Cadde Muuse waxaa u qorsheeysan in uusan ka deign madaxtinimada, dalbado muddo dheer, hadii aan taas loo yeelina uu dagaal bilaabo, taas oo keeni karta khasaare naf iyo maalba isugu jirta. Hadii tasi jirtona waa ayaan darro in haysta hadaynu nahay dadka Puntland degan. Qofka laga dareemo in uusan u qalmin hogaaminta dadwaynaha waxaa haboon in la iska beddelo, bacdamaa uusan Cadde Muuse lahayn tilmaan siyaasdeed oo qurux badan, taas bedelkeedna ku sifoobey hogaamiye aan lahayn siyaasad isu dheelitiran, kana bayrey wadadii saxnayd, kuna dhex jira wax ka baxsan siyaasad, kana fogaadey hogaamintii hufneeyd ee lagu yaqaaney labadii madaxweyne ee isaga ka horeeyey. Reer Puntland-oow sida muuqata waynu u wad ajeedna meesha Cadde Muuse inoo wado oo ah dagaal khasaare badan oo gilgila gayigeenan nabdoon een u baahnayn colaad, waxaan si wayn u hubaa in hadii uusan ka waantoobin Cadde Muuse waxyaabha foosha xun ee uu ku guda jiro in saadaasha dagaal ay imanayso maalmo gudaheed isla markaana inoo keenta taariikh modoow oo aynu si naxdin badan mustaqblka u xusi doono. Ugu danbeeyntii waxaan leeyahay bacdamaa xilkii Cadde gabaabsi ku jiro, Cadde Muuse iyo kuwa u shaqeeya ma dhaafi doonaan Puntland mise waxay dalban doonaan kororsi? Akhri: Maxkamadda Darajada koowaad ee Boosaaso ma hal beel baa leh? Faysal Cali Axmed E-mail: faysal-dheere@hotmail.com

^^Don’t underestimate his skills to play for both sides though!

Originally posted by Paragon: ^^Some of us know the qabiilist statistics, so would you mind hinting which percentage is which, yaa Xiin? qabiilist stats is what we thrive adeer. Ku dar ama ka jar, if you will...

War waa ururkii argagixiso la dirirka with new recruits, and authority.