Libaaxow, Xusni thani waa baraa’atu thimah are the mainstay of our justice system hence my calm quest for clarification from Abwaan! As for NRC it's a sham gathering brother, has been from the get go. Gaajo xun baa dalka ka jirta sidaa darteed odoyaal badan oo diyaaradda laga soo bixiyey oo macawisa xiran oo duubab waa weyn madaxa ku sita sawirradooda waan arki doonnaa but that really means not mcuh at all.

Khalaf posted: Narrated Abu Musa: Two men from my tribe and I entered upon the Prophet. One of the two men said to the Prophet, "O Allah's Apostle! Appoint me as a governor," and so did the second. The Prophet said, "We do not assign the authority of ruling to those who ask for it, nor to those who are keen to have it." ^^A very good xaddiith! Now i want you to sacrifice some of your precious time and efforts in reading the take of Culumaa on this Xadiith. Then we have a good discussion yaa Khalaf! And BTW the story of Yusuf has something to do with masalaah adeer. But lets concentrate the tradition you quoted first.

367(dead) + 118(missing) = 485. Ilaahow u naxariiso dalkana nabad u keen!

Originally posted by Juje: Your marxaban bears the naivity you mention, simply cause what you attribute to the said spokesman of the 'beel' is the norm 'job-description' in the tfg. Sorry of my belated response saaxiib. I am glad that you spotted the naivety in that statement. I said it was simple and unsophisticated. Originally posted by Juje: As for my view regarding Kismaayo, I doubt whether it will have any significancy in this particular thread - though in general I believe the mass inhabitants of the region are unarmed hence not active combatants in the current conflict. Which brings me to the point to ask you why do you relate the 'spokesman and his beel' to Kismayo, and what has the topic of this thread got to do with Kismaayo - wamaxay waxaa ku gubaya sxb? Lets frist put things in context. Adeer I don’t really care this reconciliation thing anymore. I don’t think it will matter if this tfg buys all the so-called Somali beel spokesmen and wins their attendance. I said it before, and I tell you now it’s a sham intended not to reconcile Somalis but to appeal to the donor communities. Whether the so-called council of Modadishu clans boycotts or not does not matter. The fact ina Iimaan is on board does not give the legitimacy this gathering lacks. If the much sought-after Ugaas of guriceel comes onboard would not matter either. It’s the folks you opposed yesterday (ICU) whose absence matters. It’s the wadaads. Tfg can’t meet them because they are terrorists in the books of the west. And even as Ali Mahdi broadcasts his wishes to win their attendance, the agenda of this gathering which tfg put forth makes the whole thing pathetic and laughable. Now it may actually succeed in winning them some donor money but it will certainly not attain the goal of ending the Somali mess and insecurity. That’s that adeer. But that is not my misgivings about this silly thread as I think you generally agree with me on the weakness of the said reconciliation. The thing is some people habitually dwell in the lowest level of tribal politics. When their horse is winning, no matter how wrong the race and the contest itself is, they tend to be happy and feel good about it. When they are on the losing side however they embrace anything that could put them on the top of the said game. They don’t care how and what means to use to defeat that perceived enemy of theirs. You, good Juje, feel very good about the little successes one of the tfg wings made in Kismayo, I reckon, for the simple reason it may hurt the image and standing of what you perceive to be the bigger enemy in Xamar. In essence you would embrace what this wing have done to the city and its people even though they publicly declare their allegiance to the same entity you claim you oppose. What gives adeer? And you asked what this statement has to do with Kismayo while the news is from Kismayo, and the title of that piece of reporting clearly says ‘beesha Kismaayo gacanta ku haysa’! Isn’t that really the peak of naivety here, if not outright dishonesty, when you clap for the militia that conrols Kismayo and present it as a genuine opposition to the tfg? Since when beesha Gedo captured Kismayo? Are Gedo folks not going to Xamar to attend this meeting? Does it really matter if they do? Would you change your mind if your clan goes there and attends? Why did you oppose the Courts yesterday and support them today? What has changed waryee? Perhaps your warlord lost? Abwaan, I mince no words adeer. You owe me some answers here. Come back please and address! SOL has known camps and I always count you to be among those who understood the Somali problems for what they are! Your little interjection there made me doubt your fathering.

Simple question deserves a simple and unsophisticated answer Jujew. This is what you asked: what do you have against a statement stating that a certain 'beel' would not be participating in the circus called by the TFG - bearing in mund that no figure head from that 'beel' has come forward to dismiss that claim since it the wires some hours ago. if the siad melitia leader truelly represents the beel you are eluding to marxaban yaa tfg adeer, i say. That's my short answer. Now i have a q for you, where do you stand on the mushkalada Kismayo and the acts of the tfg melitia that holds it? I have been away from sol boards and i dont really know how it was discussed. edit: I sense some naivety here. I got to go know but I will be back on this thread IA as i await Juje's response on this.

^^Who are those yaa Abwaan? come again adeer please. Juje, when the spokesman is a looter in the first order one would at least know what his motivations are. If you posted his nonsense to oppose the tfg it's a weak armor and you should know it!

It's Darfur on steroids indeed. This region waxaa lagu sii daayey waxaan insaaniyadda aqoon. Kufsi iyo dhac has been theier prefered method for the last few decades but now the earth is moving under their feet adeer and they have no way to hold onto this community...waa bunch of vandals wallaahi.

^^Are we gathering the rubbishes now yaa Juje? Shaarib presides ruthless looters whose acts are documented in the Waamo books! That he speaks his beel is sad really but dont count on him adeer, these thugs have no credebility to oppose the tfg.

American media has done a great deal of coverage on Ethiopia’s brutality in the last few weeks. It’s not that these atrocities have just started---far from it as they have been going for a long time unreported. What’s new in my estimation is the fact major media companies feel complicit in their reporting of the Bush’s war on Iraq. In hindsight they realize that they had a hand in the mess that’s Iraq. They have suffered an irreversible credibility loss and want to make up their shortcomings by trying to be impartial in the reports they compile from the hot spots of this terrorism struggle thing such as Ethiopia. Whatever the motivation may be, I am really grateful to any reporter who helps the truth to surface and exposes the ugly realities of Ethiopia’s occupation of ******. After New York Times broke the taboo of avoiding to criticize America’s allies in the war of terror, the Congress acted and almost come close to pass a legislation which would have deprived the luxurious foreign aid to Ethiopian regime on the grounds, amongst others, of gross human violations. After lobbyist groups, paid by the DoD btw, were dispatched that legislation was completely blocked---a legislation that had the packing of the most visible Ethiopian organizations in the US. With another damning report coming out from one of the most respect media outlets in America, similar punitive measures from the congress, or some initiatives to that effect, may not be afar. Way to go yaa CT…

Puntland is TFG's step-daughter.Ethiopia is the elder wise man for both, and Somaliland is a distant cousin of theirs---all united in their loyalty to Ethiopia. When it comes to handling south central Somalia, a troubled sibling of both Puntland and Somaliland, they are benignly yet subtly in cahoots (more so to Puntland than the other) to tame it so the elder in Adis gets the respect it deserves. That’s in the context of the current political matrix lest you mistaken it for lineage.

^^Kashafow, I agree with you on that adeer. I would go even further and say, in my opinion, participation in the system of governance in the west is no (at least it should not be) longer a matter of theological debate---it passed way beyond that stage. Today it’s considered the only practical course for those Muslims who called the West home. You did have to be in Minnesota to see the enthusiasm and excitement one ‘electable’ Muslim candidate created. And when he actually got elelcted by a wide margin, that Muslim congress of Minnesota and his election was transformed into a matter of pride. The expectations of what he can do in a place dominated by seasoned politicians and entrenched interest groups are very minimal. But, from a maqaasidu al-Shariicah stand point, it serves for a clear maslaxa to have a voice in there. Ps—adeer waan safray oo haddaan soo noqday!

Originally posted by Khalaf: Also, there is a Hadith that says (paraphrasing here and Allah Knows Best), that he is not of the Sunnah of Muhammad scw and is to be rejected he who seeks power/office, and desires to rule. Therefore running for office in Islamic Country or crowning yourself or group as rulers is not allowed in Islam , but the people choose and give allegiance (bay'ah) to the best leader whom is on the path of the Quran and Sunnah. This is the tradition of the Prophet Scw and Companions ra. ^^Khalafow, must you be that hasty in dolling out such a far-reaching fatwa adeer? I find the story of Yusuf to be the proper guidance for the political affairs of our time! Its chief moral lesson, if you remember, was that when the leaders rule unjustly and deny correct authority to be established in Allah’s land those who are able and have the adequate capacity to lead should assert their rightful claim on the question of Immaarah. Political formats that allow the emergence of such leaders could vary but you should not quote, quite casually, prophetic traditions without properly considering its honorable intentions. Given the vast spread of fasaad in Allah’s arli today, for Allah-fearing Muslims to contest and seek the position of leadership of thier community is paramount. I am responsible and skillful in governing! Said Yusuf (csw). And that, my good brother, merited his rule. And that must be the base line for any Muslim who seeks to lead his community/nation/Ummah!

Originally posted by Nephthys: ^L0L. Waa ii muuqataa asoo saan leh: "Allow yaa galbeed kuma wacnee gaadhi kula dhoofa Allow yaa gayiga aan dagniyo bariba gaarsiiya Allow gob lama caasiyee aniga ii guursho." ^Oh Bishaaro you got quite clever there...weliba waqti baan waayaye'e i got very close to where she lives .

Cali Dhuux, the flamboyant poet of Hawd region, had a questionable attitude toward the womenfolk. His rebut to Qammaan in the infamous Guba series had few well memorized verses that attributed woman to a demeaning qualities; he shamed them for their feminine characteristics. Naagahaa dhankii loo dhigiiyo dhinacna diidayne’e Dhedigoodka baa lagu arkiyo dhiigga caadada’e Haddii aysan dhiilka caanaha lahayn laguma dhaarteene’e Women are a domesticated being. Ali asserts. And that, he guessed, is markedly a feminine trait. The reason lies, Ali dedicatedly expounds, in that they are inflicted by cycles of menstruation, and that they give birth to offspring. The absurdity of Ali’s assertion in his well composed verses, which has almost an evil quality to it, lies in his reasoning. Women have menstruation and give birth hence women are weak. There is the totality of Ali’s critique. In the same series, Ali indirectly likened an entire clan to a woman. That was indeed the analogy that provoked Salaan, another poet from the same region, and got him join the series in defense of his clan. Wuxuu yiri: Harraadkiyo raggii aan aqoon hawdka maridiisa Kolay [rebel heble] iyo [rebel hebel] waa handadayaan’e Nin waliba haruub buu toshiyo haaman gooniyahe’e Haweenkuna hadday doonayaan inay haguugaane’e Even the womenfolk want their share of reer hebel’s camel choice just like the meek reer hebel wants it too--that was the effect of Ali’s poetic bullet. Haddaba why Ali seems to have harbored a look-down attitude toward the sisters? Could there be other alternative explanations short of a sheer ignorance to the meaning of these particular verses, and what are those meanings? War yaa usoo baxay? ps--btw, Ali is my fav poet after Sayid Mohamed !

Africa has two choices; unity or death. Says Qadafi of Libya. However unrealistic and improbable his proposition seems to be, I liked it still. For one the notion of unity among apparently diverse nation states with porous and vast borders is not Qadafi’s creation. Rather it’s a global trend, spotted and implemented by many developed nations. Europe, with all its negative attributes, has tried it and succeeded in it. So on that level, continental unity with all the great benefits that come with it is an idea whose time has finally come. When it works it produces wonders of sort. Imagine the day when the Dark Continent marches in unity where its natural resources and its other great economic potentials are explored and utilized to the fullest. Imagine an Africa that’s unified in facing its challenges and in overcoming the most health crisis with epidemic proportions humans have ever faced, the AIDS. Truly this idea, if you think of it as it being the key of Africa’s future success, is indeed a wonderful thing to contemplate. But that, as much as it’s the core of this plan’s appeal, is not what attracted me to it really. The fact it perhaps emitted some life into a new movement and created a new attitude, even momentarily, in approaching Africa’s problems is where I found it quite appealing. Instead of ceaseless dismembering and aimless secessionism, it suggests political unity and economic harmony. And there lies the beauty of Qadafi’s brief brilliancy. Dismiss it as a sheer rhetoric from an isolated dictator if you will, but the man has indeed brought a germane political agenda to the fore. The fact African leaders discussed this matter to death shows I think how ripe the political environment of this content is for such a positive thinking like Qadafi’s. It also shows that good Qadafi actually got these leaders to work and do some serious thinking on his proposal. Not to mention that his plan sucked the oxygen out of all secessionists throughout the continent, and notably our brothers’ little separatism project in the north suffered as it looked awkward to discuss it in the context of this great political thought. As a person who came to have learnt the power of positive thinking, Qadafi surprised me with his recent cleverness. The man, his policies, his speeches, and the regime he leads in Libya, depicts a distressing tragedy in that little desert land called Libya. Yet at times ********* seems to fade away, and Qadafi assumes disarming intelligence in his initiatives like this one. Who counsels him, I wonder, in his capacities in African issues? Am I reading too much into it or is it a positive step toward getting this continent and its idle intellectuals think about the future of Africa?

That's you being green yaa jb! diyaarad aan sumad lahayn oo qalab wadda oo masaluuyiinta meesha ay ka degeyso soo dhaweeyaan is how this program operates.

^^adeer weligaaba sug kuhay...laakiin hawlaha argagaxisa la dirirku ma sugaan!

^^bocuz it must be irrelevant to you as landers.

^^I told you before JB that the suspension of EA flights to Somaliland had a sinister motive. Your admin will soon get on the program and you will have to defend the indefensible adeer.

If I were rooble || JB I would not honor a response to what amounts to a pure ‘nolander ’ nonsense. edit: I think Cawaale was an African genius .

lol@ONLF, Alqacida and tfg connection! So much for Ethiopian appeal eh!

Wayxaka yaa Castro! You really understood the Kismayo issue for what it’s; a tribal war that has nothing to do with resistance or any fight against Ethiopia or against tfg for that matter. These boys want to rule the city. Anyone who agrees with that simple proposition of theirs will be their king. They did it before and struck a deal with some of Mogadishu warlords. They tried to do it again but failed during Court’s brief rule. And now they are doing quite boldly with this defunct entity called tfg. I don’t blame them for that’s the exact nature of Somalia’s dirty politicking. In fact, when compared to what Ina Yey did to ascend to Somalia’s top seat, this group’s actions amount to a mere saqiirah in the crime-against-Somali-nation index. Their fight is purely to enhance their clan's interest no matter how they fake it and claim otherwise. It’s probable they would ditch Ethiopia and join the Muqaawamah if this thing gets hot and does not work as they wished.

^^Waa hagaag JB-yow!

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: .... Shirkadda Diyaaradaha ee Ethiopian Airlines waxay joojisey duullimaadyadeeda Hargeysa Isniintii ina dhaaftay, kadib markii khilaaf ka dhashay baadhis ay shirkaddu amartay in lagu sameeyo dhammaan dadka raacaya diyaaradda oo ay ku jiraan madaxda dowladda. Madaxweyne Riyaale oo la weydiiyey sida uu u arko arrinta baadhista iyo halka uu ku dambeeyey khilaafkii, waxa uu sheegay in khilaafkaas ay soo afjarmeen, duullimaadyadii diyaaradduna si rasmi ah u bilaabmeen. "Horta waxaan idiin sheegayaa diyuuradaha ammaankooda adduunka oo dhan buu adag yahaym Kabaha ayaa la iska saaraa waan idiin sheegayaaye kabaha.. markaad madaarada ka dhoofayso, " ayuu yidhi mudane Riyaale. ...."Security-ga [Ammaanka diyaaraduhu] waa masuuliyad aanay cidna qaadayn, in laga wada shaqeeyo weeyaan. Arrintaasina waan soo afjarnay, waana arrin maamul oo Wasiirka Duulista iyo qolyaha Ethiopia, arrintaasina final bay noqonaysaa. Duullimaadyadiina way bilaabmeen, " ayuu raaciyey. Intii khilaafkaasi taagnaa ayaa waxa soo baxay warar sheegaya in Diyaaradda Ethiopian Airlines ay haysato heshiis ay lagashay xukuumadda Somaliland, kaas oo dhigaya in aan la baadhin oo keliya Madaxweynaha iyo Madaxweynekuxigeenka iyo xaasaskooda. ... Dadweynaha reer Somaliland ayaa aad uga xumaaday in saraakiil ka tirsan Nabadsuggidda Itoobiya ee la socda diyaaraddaasi ay madaarka caasimadda Somaliland ku baadhaan madaxda dowladda Somaliland, iyada oo u arka mid waxyeelaysa karaamada qaranimada Somaliland . Ah so the question of who suspended the flight has finally been resolved. Other than Riyaale’s justification for the ban and the negative public sentiment against Airline’s behavior, this article begs the question of how the issue was resolved. Who gave in or conceded? So again, the issue is not between two friendly nations as you would like to put yaa JB. The matter is really between Ethiopian government and its client, which’s uncharacteristically making noises about what seems to be a mere procedure from its perspective. Besides I did not say that Riyaale would not succumb his master’s demands. My real feelings are though that Ethiopia's security agencies want to get at certain characters in Hargeysa, and this is a way of sending strong message to the admin. It’s rumored in the tfg circles that the wadaads and other people of interest are both in Puntland and Somaliland. It’s possible that Somaliland secretly resisted Ethiopia’s intrusion policies especially when those policies seem to help the tfg. So if indeed this matter is settled as this article claims, then perhaps the whole thing had a sinister motive to begin with yaa JB!

^^Where and when?