Originally posted by NGONGE: Oh I forgot; Xiin, waxa ha es qarin saaxib. My Somali might be weak but it's not that weak. ^^ Waryee NGONGE I once read your Somali in the politcs section and i tell you, it was not weak at all! Xaaji waa la is af-jigaayaa ee take it easy !

^^And i agree yaa Puujaaa! Originally posted by Nephthys: Na'ah. No way they're settling for a 100 year old man. Try again yaa good Xiin. Maybe they should do a reverse Anna Nicole Smith, and marry one that is 63 years younger than them, of course they will have to wait for him to be born. But it's worth the wait. That too would be fine in my books---though I wouldn’t consider it marrying up ! But i noticed that you find the whole story distasteful! Why is that yaa Bishaaro! I thought these things happen all the time and across cultures and lands! Serenity, may be not palatable to you but it’s certainly credible that the said young woman find such a relationship quite tasty! Some may even suggest it’s going to be trendy too! You see, as times are inclined to the niggardly it may be a sign of the much awaited hour that girls would hunt old but able men in desire to have relationship with them! And they would be perfectly happy and content with it! Bal ka tali? KK, firstly I did not suggest that you are ‘gabar almost 40 jirto oo aan wili laguursan’---not at all! To the contrary I thought you were being the Young Turk here ---considering your insurgency in this thread! To cut this whole thing and make it short, I understand the 20-yrs-old-should-not-be-marrying-a-man-twice-of-her-age sentiment! But that yaa sister is not the argument we are having here, we are not gathering one’s preferences here, we are commenting on an actual relationship where the age gap is quite noticeable yet the couples that are involved are reportedly content with it. What would a reasonable person have against such a happy family? As for xiin inuu soo xero geliyo mid yar oo half of his age ah, that is not in my best interest i say---yaa laylinteeda iyo tababarkeeda maaro u hayya !

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: What could they possibly have in common... I say, there better be an interest for the "22ish chick"...May be she is looking for a father figure, May be he has Money, OR May be he is G Clooney (the real one ofcourse)...lol ^^^Or may be she’s a stunningly beautiful and is after a responsible man who wouldn’t parade her around like a spoils of war as those with limited experience do. Or may be, just may be, she understands very well that relationships are not about a mere release of physical energies as much as it’s about the ticks of its intellectual dynamics that cultivates it. Or may be she’s simply overpowered by the sheer wisdom the said old man sprinkles around. When all is said and done, this comes down to the personal autonomy and individual choices, which good Baashe already pointed out. Don’t let your mind linger on it walaal for it may actually fare better than the other ones…

^^Waryee Ina Sheekh ma kuu maahmaaha mise inta waa dhaamaysaa ? Xaaji ganey: Bismalaahi raxmaani raxiim Ina fadan-fattaa:Bismalaahi raxmaani raxiim Xaaji ganey: Anigu waxaan leeyahay. Ina fadan-fattaa:Aniguna waxaan leeyahay Xaaji ganey:Nimankiinaan reer qurac ah Ina fadan-fattaa:Nimankiinaan reer qansax ah ^^Waryee Ayyoub masii wadaa... Oodweyne, you’re, undeniably, a well informed man…and I believe you have affirmed the political calculus whose existence I have implied. To say our hands as far as Ethiopia’s strategic blunders in Somalia is concern are tied because of the sensitive relationship and the diplomatic acting balance we have to observe, though certainly is the hard truth, is not a good grief adeer! These are trying times as it were and I sense the need for us to part from our old ways of looking at Somalia’s political woes…

lol@Zenobia's kii Bintu Cumar marba meel uga heesayey! Adiguna garbaad leedahay! Runtii. Boodheri sheekaddiisu inay Bera-bera ka dhacday doodu ma aha. Qofka ajanabiga ah ee qoraalkan qoray maaha naqdigeygu kuma salaysna ee sheekadaydu waa ka shisheysaa adeer! Dadka meelahan wax ku qora muddaan u fiirsanayey (haddan ka faaloodo ilkaha inay badidoodu kaa daataan baan ka baqayyaa). Waa kala hal abuur badan yihiin kalana xigmad dheeryihiin. Somaliland waa xaqiiqo siyaasadeed waana degaan baaxad leh oo ciddii inkirtaa ay cirka roob ku ogtahay. Hase yeeshee labada inan ee meesha isku qabatay baan anigu ka raacay doodda. Mid baan gar siiyey, midna inuu shiddeysanyahay baan sheegay. Kan shiddeysani waa JB-ye wuxuu ku jiraa dadka fara ku tiriska ah ee markay cabbirayyaan SL aad mooddo inay ka hadlayyaan mid ka midda shucuubta shiinaha degta. Haddaad aad ugu fiirsato waxaan qoray, inta koob qara ah cabtid, waxaad arkaysaa inaan aad ugu nuux-nuuxsaday ragga suugaanta caanka ku noqday inay ka weyn yihiin qolo gaara ninka damca inuu si gaara u suntadana ay ka jabayso. Waxaan leeyahay ma qabatto. Boodheri sheekadiisu waa sheekadii reer Ber-beraad, taasi waa run. Siyaasadase ha laga daayo bahasha...waayo haddaan tan fasaxno berri waxaad maqli Sh. Cali Warsamihii Jamhuuriyadda SL , ama wadaad caanka ahaa ee dalka SL, Sh.Mustafa Harun! Dadka noocaas u fekera ee qo-qobka iyo inay si gaara wax u suntadaan ciirsadaa iyagoo is leh SL wax tara, waa kuwa degaankaas oo idil cuqdad ururtay kasoo saara runtii, as good Hadraawi would say. Kooxdaas mintidka ahi ee adduunkaan laysu ururayyo ee lays kaashanayyo ay tafaraaruqa kaga dhegtay geed halagu xiro weeye taladaydu yaa Xirsiyah... Midda kale ayyaamahaan Soomaalidoo dhan baan soo nac-nacayyaa oo hadba qolaan daabka saarayyaa ee oda Xiin halloo dulqaato haddu meela xassaasiya taabto. Gaartii markaan ku noqday, Me & Zenobia gar bay joogaan. JB waxba ma leh, Ayyoub ha sheegin asagu markii SL la yiraahdo PL buu ku leeyahay. NGONGE murankiisa iyo qajajacdiisa afsoomaligaan isaga xijaabey . PS--Ayyoub sheekh wuxuu isoo xasuusiyey sheeko qosol miiran ah...laakiin Politics section kaan la aadayyaa...

Me, gar buu joogaa! Wuxuu leeyahay, asagoo weliba ku dheeraysannaya, yaan suugaanta la qabyaaladeyn. Sayidku wuxuu ahaa gabyaa soomaaliyeed ee maahayn abwaan ******** ah! Cabdi Gahayr wuxuu ahaa aftahan soomaaliyeed, ee maahayn mid ***** ah! JB weeye ninka gafsan, ee marada arradka ah ku duubay Boodheri---Booodheri waa gudubsanyahay Ber-bera iyo raaska uu ku abtirsado, ninka meesha ciriiriga marxuum gelinayyaana waa saaxiibkeen JB. Waa gabyaa soomaaliyeed ee maaha mid slander ah! Caku marka dadku caqliga weylaha raacsadaan! Waxaan siyaasad gelin baa la doonayyaa in la siyaasadeeyo markaasaa weliba ninka saxsaxsan la takoorayyaa! Bal malee haddii Hadraawi maanta layga sheegto, ama Yam-yam iyo Bacadle qolo si gaara dadka uga xigsato! Waa maxay xikmadda abwaan caan baxay leehayay een ahayn inuu ka xoroobo qo-qobka iyo degmadiisa? Dabcan JB farta xagayaga buu usoo fiiqi doona, sidiisiina somaliland baad ku waalateen lasoo shirtaki doonnaa! But the commoners would easily see his is no more than dood quus ah, oo weliba caato ah! Allow yaa dadka wax u sheega!

^^ Waryee gabadha ha waalin.

^^Talk about cuqdad...

Oodweynow, if truth were to be told, Somaliland’s position in the current debacle is untenable. The entity with its entire political establishment in effect spoke from both sides of the proverbial mouth; condemning ina Yusuf’s policies on a one hand, and sleeping in bed with the real perpetrators and invaders, namely Ethiopia, on the other hand! That, my old pal, does not cut it! Riyaale’s frequent trips to Addis indicate, if anything, of an entity that’s concern with the details of solidifying its relationship with Ethiopia, and not a one that’s dissenting the tragic goings in the South. That they are displeased with ina Yusuf’s perceived upper hand when it comes to Ethiopia and its tilt in supporting him is not a moot point. The question is not that they object, rather it’s against whose policies do they do so, Ethiopia or the old man? What went wrong then? Here, in my estimation, is what went wrong yaa Oodweyn-ka, Somaliland’s current leadership just like the ones in Puntland perfectly understand who the real boss is in the Horn and are in no position to object what Ethiopia does in the name of fighting and uprooting terror in that region. Doing that means, going against well established political calculations that drive many of today’s secessionist’s foreign policy! That being the fact it’s quite disingenuous to make a distinction without a difference in so far as absolving the blame off Somaliland in their partnership with Ethiopia. If it were left to real Somalilanders when it comes to the current conflict, they would have participated in it, overly or covertly, on the side of the defeated courts as many already did! But the reason well informed people are seemingly tightlipped while the drill is on Moga is not that they like what’s going in the south rather it’s that they have been trapped in being signatory to a part of a wicked deal that divides Somalis along tribal lines in the name of admins… Allow ma iri!

^^GG, so you have no roots in Puntland? That msut have been another misuderstanding of mine about you...! Oodweynow, fajac iyo amakaag bay arrimahan oo kale igu dhaliyaan runtii! Dadku badidoodu waxay seegayaan wax in la fahmaa ay fududahay. Nimanka dalka xaraashayyaa meel walbay joogaan, kuwan PL se waxaad mooddaa inay dadka kale ka liitaan markaad fiiriso sida waxoodu u qayaxan yihiin ee ay u qaawiyeen. Mushkiladuse taa maahan ee waa marka aad aragto dad raba inay wax qalad ah oo iska cad difaacaan ama dedaan…

^^It’s the iniquity of it all that’s being objected here, and not that shady deals happen adeer! Surprises me seemingly intelligent and educated people get embarrassingly hesitant in speaking with the known truth when it comes down to own regional politics… Waxaa la yiri, nin sheekha oo reerkoodu aad u jeclaa baa isagoo maalin duruus marinayya baa waxaa si lama fillaan ah uga dhacday maradii. Sheekhii oo ceebtiisii si cad loo wada arkay baa maradii boobay oo inta wuxuu ka gaari karay ka gaaray wixiisii qarsaday. Cabbaar baa la aamusay oo wax juuq iyo jaaq yiraahda la waayey. Nin raggii ka mid ahaa baa damcay inuu sheekadii dhacday xoogaa daboolo oo yiri, alleylehe maanta dabayl xun baa jirta . Mid kale oo runta jeclaa baa inta soo booday yiri, dabyli ma jirtee in wadaadka cawradiisa la arkaa xukmanayd ! Hadda Cadde wuxuu ahaaba Ilaahay uma ceeb qarin; waa fashilanyahay, haddii Puntland ka danbaysana waa wax dhan...

^^Muslims are already involved in these secular systems you speak of. They live in it, work for it, complain about it, vote for it... It's all about limiting harmful policies that get hatched in those congresional venues, Khalaf, and not about avoiding it. Welcome yaa Viking…it’s been long since you visited us. I think you are right in that there’s a noticeable discrepancy in those in the west who took Qudbi’s approach to the letter ---you cant preach Dar-ul Xarbi and all, and yet migrate and live in the midst of the people whom you drawn theologically unsurpassable borders against it...

JB, thanks for the welcome adeer! i think we do agree on my contention point, namely that Quran and its teachings had no hand in Muslims lack of scientific advancement. Whether few religious men mislead the masses with phantom scientific claims is beside the point really. Naden, a well-rounded nomad in many ways, seems to have fallen in the snare you sat up here in her focus on these few scholars whom she unfairly assigned to part of the blame. I don’t know you, but I do think that it would be absurd to assert few preachers, if any, stopped the advancement of science in the Muslim world. It’s clear to me that what kept Muslims underdeveloped has little to do with their attitude and creed, and everything to do with the current instability political or otherwise they find themselves in. contrary to the claims made here, Muslims are attracted to science; in US statistics show that they are among most advanced groups in terms of education. Muslim Countries that managed to unshackle themselves from the chains of the West had made a significant advance toward this subject. Malaysia, Pakistan, and Iran had substantially progressed toward establishing a technical infrastructure with enough local knowledge workers that can support it. I hope that you are reasonable enough to not expect Palestinian refugees to erect high tech facilities in Gaza and in the West Bank, or politically illegitimate Sheikhs in the Gulf to spend large sums in technology and shun from the culture of consumerism and thier limitless shopping sprees...

Originally posted by 7 0f Nine: Good.. now that I've some of your attention, lets set out the agenda. Our mission, should we choose to accept it is to make this the longest thread on SOL. Our objective is to bypass ngonge's boredom one and laugh in his face. Our aim is to have fun, endless, mindless fun. And our pledge, is to stop trolling in every topic. Are you with me people? ^^I think this thread achieved most, if not all, of the objectives for which good Serenity started it! Almost.

^Sakhar has been away from SOL boards for the last few weeks, if not months. Last time he was with us, he was quite peculiar in his desire to win every argument he participated, including arithmetical formats …so I am assuming that his long absence have not impacted his style in so far as claiming the summit of every debate is concerned. Of course I am excluding the remote possibility that he has indeed come back as a changed man!

^^Easy with your sweeping statements adeer, unless of course you have something to back up with the alleged collaboration between Aweys and Aydiid in that tragic event of Bay region! That the men belong to the same sub-clan is a fact, but as far as I know they have never been political allies. Aweys was a high-ranking member of Al-Itihad Org, an armed Islamist group whose shabaabs fought Aydiid’s USC in both Jubbooyinka and Gedo regions. Edet: Welcome back yaa Sakhar...i thought the old man took you away !

^^I see a need for good Duale to be littel creative in his argument for indepedence! He’s very dynamic activist for this cause but his tactics seem to be quite old. I heard the man served in Barre’s foreign office before, and is familiar with the goings of the diplomatic circles. Haddana wuxuu ku leeyahay waxaan un u baahannahay hal dal oo Africa kasoo baxa oo na aqoonsada, then the rest will follow. It does not work that way yaa Duale…becuz dalkaa qudhiisa ayyaa aqoonsigiisu aqoonsi kale usii baahandoonnaa! And so the baadi-goob of this aqoonsi thing will for ever continue....

Puntland niman muddo qatanaa bay gacanta u gashay...mardhow bay fulayaane xoogaa ha loo kaadsho. The sad thing though is markay iyagu wabxaan, kuwa hor leh oo qatan oo car-cartoodi qabaa baa qabsan doonna!

^^Khalaf, caruur kaama dhigin ee adaa khalad u fahmay qoraalkaygii! Keliya waxaan rabay inaad dhexgasho sharraxaadii culumadu xaddiith kaa ka bixiyeen. waxaad meesha ku soo post garaysay waa uun matni-gii xaddiithka adeer, and that makes your effort quite pregnant, ka fooli bahasha ninyahow...

^^^JB, that the Islamic world of today is quite scientifically backward is a fact. It got behind in many important areas, i.e. Economics, system of governance, and, as you noted, it made a little scientific advance, if any, in the last two centuries. I can’t in a good faith argue against that adeer as it’s a rude truth---very hard to swallow but still it’s the truth! What I am well equipped to argue against however is your subtle yet poor argument that hazards because Muslims are behind in science, the fault lies in their creed! That yaa JB hardly needs undressing exercise really; it has a sole, and tangled one at that, underwear on with its skinny shame peaking out of its left corner ! You see, I don’t like stripping my ideological foes, but if you insist I can show you that Qur’an and its teachings are not to blame for Muslims lack of development. There are other, and more appealing, assignable causes for it. I thought you were well versed with the fine prints of debates and its argumentation shoots, and here you are advancing an argument,as I understood it, that even Xiin can smash it quite easily… Come again adeer, and tell me if my understanding of your argument is spot on, and then I will as promised engage you in this .

^Not really adeer, but sidaad ugu nuux-nuuxsatay baan ka yaabay, it takes a conviction of some sort in sidaa warlord loo ammaano, maaha?

^^I gather ther's a little contest about posting pics here!

^^The bold snippets supposed to strike a cord with good Brown, eh! Little do you know about Brown.... Edit-- According to Duke: M Dheere is a effective adminstrator. Qaybdiid is a beloved leader. Not only that but so far both men are doing a wonderful job, Duke says! Allow adaa noo maqan!

^^Duke, as usual you are typing away…diving in the current ironies and drawing parallels whose implication I doubt you understand. America’s difficult in Iraq is quite analogous, though not exactly same, with that of the tfg under the behest of Ethiopia in Xamar! Miscalculations and mindless military drive in the name of security restoration and fighting terror is the most common feature they share. The point being, yaa Duke, the reason the tfg & Ethiopia are trapped in Xamar desperately spreading bullets in every direction and killing and maiming whoever stands their way is not that Xiin opposed them or Courts aborted their efforts. The reason is very simple as its tragic. Few power hungry yet incompetent men wanted to rule Xamar, and in the process sought the help of Ethiopia and America without slightest consideration of what comes next or how they would eject themselves out of the hole of being under foreign influence. Today there is a little success they could claim save from killing number of combatants and civilians or destroying few buildings here and there, and you compare with Islamic Courts who in a matter of weeks opened commercial venues of Xamar, and actually went on to solve other problems. And you are talking about mindlessness…isn’t that another irony Dukow!

^^The 'moron clan court leadership' did in six months what your littel tfg and its helpers could not do in almost three years...