^^Yes it does , and we all expected to be that way. Disbanding a peaceful gathering is unconstitutional and will have damaged the spirit of national reconciliation , NGONGE.

^^There was never a constitutional argument , NGONGE. Whether goverment appointed governor manages Jubba regions in 3 pieces or a federal state is formed matters to the 2016 election. Wax fahan ninyahow. But this one waa shax la degay , Hassan is politicking in a matter that leaves a much do be desired MMA, Awoowe you should concentrate on your localities instead of talking about distant Kismayo

I see you know posted the full communique . A solid support from the international community, it is a good step forward.

^^Awoowe, markan oo kale waxaan jeclaadaa in admin ku forum ka nadiifiyo. Carafaat is over doing it, and the admin needs to moderate the forum.

I was more amused by the comments of Baydhabo governor . He is appointed by Hassan Sheekh and he seems to be dong his bid by accusing Kenya and Puntland of 'looting' Kismayo resources :D

^^Another fart as always ...adeer maad meelahaa tagtid. Your cover has been blown.

^^Would you please stop farting in every thread ? You are becoming an annoying script.

^^NORF, Revenue is not an issue. Jubbaland recognizes federal government as a legitimate national government. As soon the parliament puts in place revenue sharing clauses (remember this was postponed during the run up to the Hassan's election), it shouldn't be an issue. Kenya is not an issue here. Why would Kenya be accused for securing the city from Alshabaab? Uganda did the same for Mogadishu, did it not? Other than fadhi ku dirir talk, Somali government is not (and will not be) making such a claim awoowe.

^^As if....

We will see whether the real outcome of this conference pans out. However, the fanfare is quite refreshing.

^^And that is what those objecting the conference miss or conveniently forget . Legitimacy rests with the locals indeed. The Parliament has a responsibility to ensure state charters are in sync with the master, federal constitution ---I am sure Jubbaland charter will meet that requirement

^^Where you see a problem , I see progress NORTF. But the political objections from Mogadishu can easily be overcome. Once a president is elected, parliament is in place and an administration is selected, Jubbaland will submit its charter to the parliament. The parliament will examine the charter to ensure federal constitution superiority over national matters and will respond accordingly ... That is the process President Hassan worked overtime to politicize ...it is simple in concept and not difficulty at all in execution either

Pity that our northerner separatists are now resorting to a Harlem style rap to attain recognition . And to top it, NGONGE favorite arabic poem is thrown into the mix :D For those of us who understand the background of the secessionist craze , do indeed appreciate the rant

stop talking capture the fugitive terrorist, xaaji habaar

At this point, Jubbaland is a political reality: no habaar from the frustrated separatist in the North or the cuqdad laden speeches from president Hassan can stop it. It is beyond anyone's capacity to reason to object to the outcome of such a peaceful gathering

It should not also surprise anyone that some folks are interested in advancing governance while others are not so prone to accepting governance and authority thus the endless roadblocks against any systems ...

Lets not confuse matters; current federal constitution makes clear separation of duty . There are responsibilities only federal government could carry out such as a) foreign affairs of the country, b) defense, c) matters relating naturalization i.e. passports, & d) fiscal matters i.e.currency There are pending efforts that should have been carried out by current parliament to integrate armed forces of existing federal states like Jubbaland. But the federal government is busy aborting the system not advancing it hence the confusion

http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2013/May/wararka_maanta6-21849.htm This is good news for Puntland ---the establishment of constitutional court

^^Wuxuu federaalku sharci noqday markii guddigii ta'siisiga ahaa ee 850 ergo ka koobna ay ku ansixiyeen Xamar caddey doorashadii barlamaanka ka hor Aftida afar sano baa loo muddeeyey ee maad sugtid, maxaad u faganaysaa dastuurka oo ceerin ah waryaa ?

ElPunto;946510 wrote: I don't understand this re-arranging of the deck chairs of the Titanic. If federalism is a poor governing choice for Somalia - why would arranging it in these particular regions work? How would this project an affective strong Somali union that the author lamented would be lost in a federal framework? If the Jubas and Gedo agree to form their own region - how does the addition of Bay and Bakool add or subtract anything to the framework? The author complains about 'clan hegemony' and 'gerrymandering' but he wants to gerrymander regions to his own desires and wishes? Would the author support a super state of Bari, Nugal, Mudug, the Jubbas and Gedo? What is the criteria for these superstates? At the end of the day - there is no real argument against federalism working in Somalia. It has become fashionable of late to say - no I don't oppose ppl forming X federal states(because no one can oppose democracy these days) - but the process is flawed or not inclusive or not xxx as long as it falls short of opposing the very formation of a federal state. This will not work in the long run for the Somali government in Mogadishu. There will not be a return to a centralized state buttressed by a powerful military. Federal states will be formed along the lines of folks who desire to come together and form a state not along the lines of a dictation from Xamar or elsewhere. El Punto has succinctly captured the essence of this writeup -- it is a poorly reasoned piece coupled with a shameless intellectual dishonesty

Naxar Nugaaleed;946016 wrote: impractical or not, federalism is the law of the land. And that, naxar nugaal, is waxa la rabo in buuq siyaasadeed lagu furo.

Gabbal;945739 wrote: Xiin- I do not know if this is the first communique you have ever read in your life (my assumption is no which means you are being duplicitous here), but this is obviously a political coup for the Somali government. The communique was not going to read "Kenya and neighboring countries renounced their strong interference in the domestic politics of various Somali parts and the Somali government seized back sovereignty." The communique was not going to read that way to be interpreted as a win for the Somali government. This basically says that IGAD is a supporting actor, it cannot circumvent the political objectives and vision of the Somali government in Somalia, it acknowledges the supreme nature of the present Somali constitution in Somalia which is only interpreted by the organs of the existing Somali government, that IGAD reduces their efforts in Somalia's stabilization to a military one directed to Al Shabaab and not a political strategy. It is a political coup as favorable as Somalia coule have hoped. In fact, it is even more so when you realize this is the third sitting since the new Somali government and twice before IGAD countries resisted. Much has changed and many things are changing and the realization is catching on in neighboring capitals that this time Somalia has landed. The part about visit to Kismaayo I saw as face-saving gesture to Kenya which has realized it cannot go down in recent Somali history as being seen as a spoiler by Somalis in Somalia. It is a way to leave the entire IGAD with a graceful exist. It seems many of the things I had said before the PM started that trip has taken place. I am tempted to respond, but I am reminded the nature of Gabal --hadhow buu oran waa kaftamayey oo sidaa kama wadin. As you were

Actually the shir is almost done. One clan's delegates are not completely in , the campaign of the top office goes on.

^^ :D

^^Tan ah meeye maamulkii Kismayo , jawaabtu waa ha sugi waayin . Li anna cidna bilaash uma shirto, weliba ragga shirsani niman wax soo saari kari waaya laguma yaqaan. Maqaadiirse waa meesheed. Inta aan Xamar dib u heshiisiin looga baahnayn, meel kale loogama baahna