@Ghanima. On the point you suggested that I lookdown on women, I would second good Serenity and say you are wildly off the mark there. You see, I only pick on the grownup women who continue to shop in the teen section, so to say, and I can detect when that happens…my sixth sense tells me... As for the topic, let me say that I would like to resist impressions I get from cyber characters’ posts, much less assume stuff about nomads---impression, yaa Ghanima, connotes a vague notion of sort, and manly man like me should reject it. Instead, mine tend to be careful observations, and not a mere impression. I will share those observations here. I will point out those whom I find to be creative and original, and in the process, differentiate them from the fraudulent charlatans. Likewise, I will list SOL nomads who display no contradictions in their stances or diversify not their political allegiances. Predictably, I shall praise eNuri staff and its chief editor for the astonishing eloquence that function of SOL employs to propel the soft dacwah into the cyber space and penetrate its fiercely competed market place… ^^Just kiddin...no I won’t do that . My first impression of Xanthus was: oh my…here comes another persuasive secessionist…but since she came back from Burco, and presumably got in touch with the reality that’s Somalia, she comes across as a fair and genuine. She’s cool now! Dad kale oo dhan waan isku noog-nay .

Men do cry. But not as often as women do. Also, men do cry for a reason. Meesha rag ka ooyo waa meel dhibaato ka dhacday.

I for one do not really care what Khalaf, the real person behind this computer screen does or thinks, but Khalaf, this cyber character of SOL, comes across as a confused young man who tends to get the basics wrong. What I mean by that is that this cyber character pens down disturbing write ups, over simplifying complex issues like the role of Indhacadde in the Courts and in the process ignoring the big picture of the whole org, or latching on a hard-to-achieve Islamic ideals and rejecting genuine efforts on the basis of it not meeting those ideal benchmarks good Khalaf sets out. Concentrating on trivial matters when bigger issues are at hand is another habit Khalaf is afflicted with. Look no further than this thread of his. When that region is at a historical crossroads of far-reaching consequences, good Khalaf chooses to discuss on a one movement’s name and queries why it did not choose a more encompassing one. I find that to be intellectually dishonest for the man claims to be in agreement with this struggle against Ethiopia in principle but seem to be held back by a mere technicality. What gives adeer? Why don’t you start topics about how to help these oppressed Muslims? Why did you choose to politicize their struggle? Khalaf, don’t get me wrong adeer. I am not accusing you with tribalism; no I am not going there. Where I find a glaring discrepancy is your reasoning in disowning Islamic Courts. It’s just not credible that you believe that the Courts was a clan oriented movement or was representing one clan’s interest. Nor can you rationally argue that one man single-handedly downed an entire org and play the Indhacadde card on us. Neither is it convincing that you abandoned Courts because they were imperfect and made mistakes, quite fatal mistakes that caused them both limbs and lives, if may add that. We are imperfect beings after all. What makes your prayers not to compile then [xaggee salaaddaadu iska qabanla’dahay]? You see, just like you I believe that Courts made mistakes. I believe they planned poorly and sleepwalked on many issues without adequately thinking through. I believe they recklessly provoked an enemy whose logistical reach and military superiority they knew they had no match. But again I also know wining is not always the only benchmark to validate that something is good and right. For Allah’s sake, even the righteous sahabs made mistakes and lost important battles. Not only that but I also know, acknowledge and appreciate the good they brought with them during their brief rule. How could one deny them that? It has been recorded and archived on varying media, both electronic and print. Indeed, their legacy still lives on be it in the form of Airports they restored or Harbors they refurbished or more importantly in the form of cities they tamed. During Somalia’s long and tragic civil war, these men had indeed gone to where no man before them ever went, as it were, and history will forever attest to that. So for you to repeatedly focus narrowly on their shortcomings, conveniently ignoring the triumph of good over evil, which clearly manifested in the opportunistic acts of Mohamed Dheere, Qanyare, Qaybdiid and others in their effort to sell off god-fearing Muslims in Mogadishu for mere monetary gains, is quite disappointing adeer. Warlords come and go. Just like others before him, the old man will die and meet his Allah. If I were the decider for this man’s fate, I would have guided him to a path that pleases his Allah, and as a result impacts on our tribal politics in a positive way. But that’s not in our hands. We have no control on anyone’s destiny. Neither do we know what’s in anyone’s heart. We can only judge on what we see and observe. And on that account, the old man and his political companions are indeed on the wrong course. Shame has homed in on them. And that’s really sad. Khalafow, stick with your principles adeer. If you see Islam, support it no matter how feeble it seems. If you see good, support it regardless of where it comes from. If you see evil, condemn it regardless of who’s doing it. There is no ambiguity in Somalia’s current politics: in every region forces that are propped up by anti Islam powers are in command. Ethiopia, acting as America’s hired soldiers, is in ascendancy. The influence of good Muslims over our affairs has sadly receded. As things stand today, these are the painful facts on the ground. But they aren't constant, and they will IA change in due course. Allow ma ku iri~~

d/p

And I thought they schooled him about practicing America’s courtesy when addressing her top diplomats. Old habits die hard indeed . Or is it a case of : Dammeeri isku hallayn bay hooyadeed dabada uga nuugtaa!

^^Adeer waad haysaayye sii wad~~ Mar baan damcay inaan JB ku gano haddana waxaan ka baqay inuu sidiisii yiraahdo somaliland ama snm baa la necebyahay . Waxaan damcay inaan iraahdo: Jay Bii yoo shaah ka baday Shan kiiloo qaada cunay Sharaab-iyo-koka cabbay weyn Riyaale la shawrayoo Shirkii tegoo Halkaa markaan marinayyo baan faraha ka qaaday! ps waryaaya bahashu waa kaftan ee yaan la caroon sideedii ...

lol@jb and Aladiif. Raggeedii. I am tempted, really ! wuxuu yiri: Ragga SOL yimaadow adduun salalag weeyaanne'e Ninkii sii jiraa ee naflahi wuu sajacayaaye'e Saacad waliba khabar bay siddaa iyo saami gooniyah'e Saakana waxaa SOL dul yimi saymo gabayeede'e Waakaa ladiif soo tirshoo mariyey siinleeye'e JB wakaa sacab tuntoo tuuray sadar weyne'e Waakaa sibraha haysta siddii saajin fransiis'e Ninkii sayn u muuqdaa waxbuu saadalayn jiraye Inay xeradu saaqsantahay anigu saadaashay In Ayyoubna soo tookhi rabo ayyana saadaashay Afarayda Duke soo wadana ayyana sii sheegay ........ Saacaddii inay joogto oon helay sifaadkeedi Oo salaadi nagu waajibtay koley anigu saadaashay !

Waxaan macno badan lahayn baad ku daalaysaa, Nayruusow! Faarax may need a history lesson as you assert, but it's you who desparetely needs to keep in touch with the current reality adeer. Before aadan harraadin about this name and its impact on the larger struggle you need to swallow two bitter facts: 1- Today’s struggle against Ethiopia’s vandalism in that region is much larger than ONLF. In fact ONLF is but a small part in this fight. The biggest burden of fighting this struggle falls on the backs of good Islamists who have successfully injected the needed dose of religious orientation and military discipline required to sustain such a long war, and who also garnered the support of masses for this war against Ethiopia, some thing ONLF failed to do in many ways. That fact alone reduces this trivial emphasis on some movement’s name tag to the petty it really is. 2- ONLF fights for the independence of that region, and it does not limit its struggle’s aims to only free the areas inhabited by thier clansmen. And that’s even if we agree with your implied point that ONLF is the only movement fighting this struggle. Khalaf, I believe your tone and the way you formulated your argument makes your whole effort stillborn, and that’s assuming yours was a noble impulse to begin with. Adeer today is not the day to query about the legitimacy of this movement. The fact they have been keeping up with this wearing struggle for decades is itself a primer illustration for their commitment, desire for liberty, and exemplary heroism they have demonstrated. What you have is a tragedy that’s befallen on these Muslim Somali people. They have been let down by their fellow Somalis not necessarily by design and shrewd calculation from their part but rather by the politics of convenience resulted from the absence of the Somali state. You wonder why other clans are not joining this struggle adeer. But what other people are you talking about? Puntland and Somaliland are both barely surviving and are under leaders that entered unholy alliance with Ethiopia, the felon itself. The South has been the scene of instability, and still continues to be. The clan thing still reigns supreme in the Somali communities that live abroad. I don’t get you, really! Viva *******, and may Allah help them succeed. [ August 21, 2007, 01:28 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

It’s the despair that’s doing to you this yaa peacenow ! The thing is those who have faith in Allah do not despair in the face of the catastrophe that’s Somalia. Allah, mind you, is the Deity on whose behalf you have fraudulently spoken when you wrote ‘god’ has ‘forgotten’ Somalia long ago. This is SOL’s political section and it has no room for theological sermons but you really need to understand that you are shooting yourself in the foot in your attempt to fold up our faith with the negative sentiments you so often express against Arab race. The two, lest you confuse yourself about it, are of/from different genre: one is a way of life prescribed by Allah, and the other, is collection of people with common culture and language. How difficult is that to discern adeer? Emperor : - you have clearly resorted to cheap and unwarranted threats in defense of Geedi. What gives adeer? Geedi has participated and committed heinous crimes in the last year or so. In the massacres of Jubbooyinka, the arrests of innocent folks in Kenya and Xamar, and in the last Ethiopian destruction of some parts of Xamar, the man has been in the front and center of it all. To many, he is another warlord. And let me tell you this: I want all the warlords be arrested and hanged! Innocent people are suffering today as a direct result of this tfg. From Kismayo to Xamar to Beledweyne, the injustice brought by these incompetent and criminal men is deeply felt. Why dash in their defense then? Or to put it more gently, why threaten others for Geedi’s defense yaa Emperor?

IA waa laga baxaa waxaan. We are yet to decode Allah's wisdom in all of this. Seeing Iraq and how it turned out and egged on America's face, it's not far fetched to suggest that Somalia too will at the end turn out to be quite contrary to what they have originally devised it to be.

lol@laan dheere. Waxaad isoo xasuusisay gabadhadii reer Mudug-ga ahayd intaa Xamar timid tiri, naa horta yaad i moodeen! War in leen balaayo, naa anigu laan-dheeraan ahay, oo saan iyo saan baan ahay,describing her tribes standings in Mudug region. Mid reer Xamar ah oo maqlaysay baad tiri: laa tan maqla waxay dhohooyso, haddii laan-dheer tahay ninkaaga lee ku dhib qaba . ^^Waryee that's just a mere banter. Just like the reer Hamar's lampooned the famous reer Northerner maah-maahyo. You know how Northerner folks say: labo qaawan isma qaaddo. Famous Awkuuku of Hamar changed it to say:labo qaawan waa u toostay . Awkuuku also changed, Nin daad qaday xunbo cuskay, to say: Nin daad qaaday waa ku daayey ...

^^Arrintaa waa ka fariisanayna NGONGow...oo shaah baan u cabbaynaa . But first lets locate her ! I think inay xaggayga tahay though.

^^You missing the point adeer. This thread is about JB and his fav poems... Quraanjo isku soo aruurtay mulacna waa jiidi karaan i doubt Quraanyo could ever do that.

Azmayya ha la daayyo; mid baa soo ridi doona oo her imaginary wings ka tifi doona ! Waa uun sharqamaysaa mooyee ma foga! ps---Azmayyaa, horta xaggee degentahay qofyahay ? cuz mid aan coffe shop ku arkay oo cabbaar dhan ii khudbaynaysay baad shabahdaa... still loughing @camal yeelo.

JB was just kidding when he posted Ismail Mire's original verses. Below is JBs fav lines : Duhurkii toggaa Herar Haddaad Qado ka soo tuurto Hurdo laguma taamee naftaa lala tacaalaaye Aniga iyo toddobo aan ku jiro tumasho soo qaadnay. Rag tabaabushuu leeyehee wax is-tusaalaynay Laba tubaha noo soo cayima horay u tuuryaynay Tooraha warkay noo sideen noogu tibic siiye Taksi lagama maarmee nin waday suuqa nagu tooci Tog Wajaale jaadkii ka yimid tacab ku baandhaynay Kolkay laba tobnaad noo xidheen toobiyaha qaadnay Tilmaan quruxsan goobtay fadhiday ee agabtu noo tiilay Iyo tusmadii gabdhaha lagu ogaa saani ugu toosnay Tubtii horaba boqol jaa’ifo ah teebalka u saarray Ninwaliba tankii uu lahaa xaraar tiilay ugu laabay Barkimooyinkii teetsanaa suxul ku taageernay Iyadoo falaash lagu tamiday laysu tabi shaaha Tirsan mayno naag laga tagiyo tu’aan la doonayne Labo tafiirtii jannada lagu tilmaamaayo Iyo labo wax la iskuma tirshee sida tiriigaas ah Iyo laba aad turkiga mooddo oo tikhilka naagood ah Iyo taan lahaan jiray markaan tumasho soo qaadno Intaas oo intay toobab soo xidheen timaha soo feedhay Oo tal iyo xisaan leh, salaan gacanta noo taage Annaguna gabdhaha kama tagnee geerash lagu teedi Heesaha ragbaa u tacab galay loona tiriyaaye Tiraanyo qayshaha rabaab gacanta taabsiiye Annaguna tastuurkay lahayd sacabka tiitaynay Ilaahay ha tabantaabiyee noogu tacab sawdka Markay cabbaar naga tumeen tegis u qoondayste Kaftan aan turxaan lahayn la isku taataabay Sheekadu hablahay noo taxnayd iyo togonay haasaawe Rag takooran baa nagu jiree tabaha qaar diidnay Inkastooy taftuba noo dhaweyd teetka sharaf eegnay Sidii adhi tigaad loo dhigoo lagu tiraabaayo Warmihii tumaatida caddaa tiirka qabadsiinay Anigu waan talax gabaa markaan taabto geedkaase Habeenkaa ninkii tamar lahaa togay mirqaankiisa The man, JB that is, lives in Hargaysa after all . ps--peace.

^^What a drama queen you realy are! Calm down adeer; you coud've gotten your message across with a bit of class.

^^Waa markeedii . We got your message, Val. You fall in the first category, and that's just fine. Mademoiselle, Val kama fogid !

lol@maxaa sanka la isaga galin. Sanka layskama gelin arrinta ee waa uun laga yara niqaashay! Adigu xaggee kugu tirinaa?Ma qolada xaajigooda inay at least xagsadaan isku dayi lahaa baad ku jirtaa mise sida qofta Northner sheegay baad waraaqdaydii lasoo boodi lahayd ! DD & Bishy caadi maaha. Zenobia qudheedu waa is yeel-yeelaysaa ee ciyaar xaajigeeda kuma siideyseen oo mid yar oo cagaha boor ku leh uga maysan harteen!

Originally posted by Faarax-Brawn: quote:Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Fulay! Fulay habartii magablanto ma maqashay weli? ^^ Most fulays i know are quite rational.

^^Fulay!

Originally posted by Ms Dhucdhuc & Dheylo: ^^ what is wrong with Lily? ^^Dhiig kulul baa ka buuxa!

Khalaf Et al, I was only responding to Val’s dismissive tone to the uunsi and sex approach. I know my suggestions are low-key in concept but I have a reason to believe these uunsi and sex ,2 as Val put it, when implemented correctly, would be a winning plan in execution . As making man look ****** in my depiction of him as lust-laden and easily exploitable by other women on the expense of his family, I think that’s true with many men and not far from the mark for many more. The gist of my post is first wife need not give her man up without reasonably attempting to hold on to him whenever another woman shows up in their relationship! Of course men should know better. Of course they should weigh the consequences of opting for a second wife. But as I said before we are discussing about what’s a rational and appropriate action plan for you (as sister) if and when men decide to marry a second wife. You know it could happen. Ps—khalaf, we are not discussing whether polygamy is xalaal or xaraam. Lets presuppose most sisters are Muslims and have no beef with what Allah made permissible. From my experience with SOL debates most muslimaat assent to that. What they quick to point out though is how average men who could not even adequately manage one single relationship claim to implement polygamy verses without understanding it aptly. And I am inclined to agree.

w/p

^^I second that! There’s apparent lack of trust between Somalis when it comes to the politics of their failed state--and even that has more to do with the conflict in resources and lack of justice you stated than it has to do with hate. The gist of Baashe’s post though is, as I understood it, that Somalis are divided along clan lines, and that I find without exaggerating it to be correct on many accounts. The reasons they are divided are many but two stand out: lack of capable leadership and the continuation of external interference that constantly exacerbates Somali conflict. The latter is quite natural given the animosity between Ethiopia and Somalis and will forever be there as long the first (absence of competent leadership) is true. Ours is a crisis of leadership.

^^Calm down yaa Xaajiyah Val . Allow me to walk you through on the basics of this minyaro thing so you can see what’s at stake here, Qalanjo! Suppose that marriage is an investment (actually we don’t have to suppose, it is a investment in every sense of the word) you dearly care and want to do every thing that’s humanly possible to make it succeed. Suppose after years of hard work your venture lastly succeeds and becomes something that you are proud of; you have a reliable partner, beautiful children, and respectable in-laws. Now another Xalimo wants to dig into your investment and cash your hard-earned assets. The Faarax you know, deep down, is a good man and is about to be snatched away from you, and if that Xalimo’s plans come to fruition, not only your Faarax would be taken, but potentially all the goods you gathered for the last few years would be gone too! Lets face it yaa Val: this is a dire situation. When all is said and done, you have two options: give him up and throw him to this new Xalimo, and with that, subject your self and him to bear the brunt of domestic civil wars for god knows how long, and worse yet, lose all your hard earned, both emotional and monetary, investments. Or be a bit creative than that, exponentially think about it, and research ways to keep your Farax (the Farax you know and love) and save your investment! Now I would not blame you if you readily accept the commands of your heart and give up this Farax. I would understand it. But the second option appeals to me more. It projects excellent strategic thinking and shrewd calculations to attempt to keep what’s rightfully yours. And there is where Bishaaro’s game plan comes in---it may, or may not succeed, but it’s a plan nevertheless. Had the commoners employed the same method, the women folk would’ve stood a chance to abort this admittedly annoying minyaro thing---may be not that, but at least it would have made it less dramatic and perhaps altered its destructive effect! How it now works is quite primitive---it borders complete animalistic instincts with no apparent thought process going into it. So Xaajiyo Val-ey, things are not as black and white as we would like them to be!