Originally posted by Valenteenah: Waagaad iga biqi jirtey goormey aheyd tolow? ^^Waa waagii ay kabta ciribta dheer avatar-ka kuu ahayd !

Waryee Camel Milk, what's up with you posting food threads in the dawn of Ramadan ?

^^Thanks much yaa Nur. Yours was very good read indeed. Good scholars used to emphasize that Islam would be hollow without the concept of a-takhali wa-taxalli ! What it essentially means is that one needs to completely embrace Islam’s teachings without any holdback. But today it’s different, and sadly so. The world of fatwa-shopping has commenced Nuurow! May be it’s worth your time to enlighten us all about this concept. Once again Jazaaka Allaah.

Faaxow, [Fahiye]; Sayid Mohamed would say:- Geesigii tolmoonnaa marbaa fulay u tookhaaye’e Tumaatida warmuhu marbay turuqa seegaane’e Marbaa warafku tuuryada gefaa taaka leelaha’e Nimaan adiga kugu toosin baa kuu takhaashuma’e You see those were the days when good Mutakallim would come with his philosophy threads. Those were the days when NGONGE would intellectualize his rants and present them in a palatable fashion. Those were the days when good Serenity would challenge our sheikh Nur, and folks like me would just jump on her right away and wrestle her to the ground. Those were the days when Castro and I would draw the proverbial line on the cyber sand and engage in our famous bloody duals...[i since met Castro in person, he is not only well rounded and intellectual on his own right, but he’s also saaxibul akhlaaq and muta'dib]. Those were the days; the days when good Baashi would commit all of Tolstoy’s well-written essays to the flames by simply capturing the summit of the Secessionist vs. Somaliweyn debates. It was when Paragon was young enough to publicly dance to the Doodwadaag romantic tunes. When General Duke was just a meek smith, and good Horn camped more in the Islamic section than the politics. Waa waagaan Val ka biqi jirey before aanan tabteeda helin---weli waan iska jiraa though. It was when good Socodbadane was just annoyingly confrontational, and when JB was SOL’s most likeable stud-- well before Mutakallim introduced him to the branches of Philosophy and confused him with it even more. It was when Jacayl Barro was one of the lead members of the Baro family of SOL---well before he wore his ever colorful Somaliland hat. Age had taken the stamina out of SOL. Aniga da’a baa iga daba timid adeer---I am debating about whether to submit a Request to good Libaax and ask him a favor to give my SOL nick to my beloved son. I am sure he would make a good debater. If you notice any behavioral change to xiin character …you know what happened... liiq liiqad baan ahay sidii lula dabayleede'e.

Faarx, South Mpls, eh? Your other thread misled me hadaba. As for JB, i think the man has a point there. Rape is just a heinous crime.

Taking advantage of a drunk or sleeping girl is a heinous offense. You need no help there, JB! edit: Faarax, please stay away from SOL while you are still at baadiye !

^^Oodweyne, would you advice your folks to attend the next peace conference that’s rumored to be in the works in Saudi Arabia, or would you still stick to your alliance with Zenawi ? There are rumors that the Kingdom is organizing a genuine reconciliation conference. If that comes to fruition and the Saudi Arabia begins to mediate between poor Somalis, I would support it. But I also think Somalia’s conflict will be only resolved by taking a holistic approach, the piecemeal route has utterly failed. And in that, I assert even if Somalis in the south sort things through, the absence of secessionist camp from the rumored peace proceedings will come back to haunt us….

Che, Horn usually chooses the topics he posts carefully. This one come back to bite him real hard. Had he posted Kismayo thread I am sure it would’ve given the upper hand… Paragon, adeer dadkoo dhan Allah qabriga u waasiciyyo. Khudbadda dhegeyso adeer--- it's revealing. Culuma u diinkii markuu diiradlaha mariyey Daqiiqadiiba laba miig markuu duuliyuhu kiciyey Dushiinnay kusoo wada dhaceen duulna sahaydeene'e Meeshuu Daain inaad dhiidhidaan idinka doonaayey Waataad dabaal deg iyo farax dibad baxayseen'e Waataad durbaan qaadateen oo dilika dheesheene'e Diyadii iyo dhaxalkii ayyuu diiday waa hore Sidii Daain ugu qaybiyuu waa dalaal yiriye'e Daa'imul khamrina waa haa daasadaha jara'e Bal dayyoo islaanimo xaggee looga dacal saaray'e? Adeer Maxamed Siyaad waa naga hooseeyyaa maanta, wuxuu wanaajiyey iyo wixii uu fasaadiyeyba Allah buu loo hartagayyaa. But his acts were very consequential in many ways---[edit]those acts are fresh and raw in many memories! Ps—you never know SOL has some of the relatives of those wadaads he unjustly executed!

^^Aniguu xooggaa markaan joogaba anoo dhextaagan baan is arkayyaa...an actually khudbaddii odoga ee xammaasadda badnayd weligay hadda ka hor ma maqlin, so in a way this was informative.

^^Horn waan la taliyey sow maaha?

^^War ma maantaa naf lay biday ! Allow Alle. Adeer odoyadaydii baan soo weydiine'e iga yara war sug.

This is the ultimate anomaly of the Somali’s contemporary Islamic sahwah. I can’t pin point at its origins, but its effect can be neither hidden nor easily explained. Our youths are fully trained on the theological arenas. They know what tawhiid is. They know what sunnah is. They can’t be tricked on the issue of al-Walaa wal-Baraa--- they understand where their loyalties belong. Unfortunately all these are outer projections of our faith. Where we tragically fall short is implementing it. Here is a Somali tax driver who prays five times a day. He readily gives charities, mandatory or otherwise. He’s passionate about the politics of dishonor that goes on back home. He loves his wife and children. Yet he accepts to live in a life of duplicity; he and his wife are separated, not by spousal feuds or other circumstances but by their own design. Though thier Muslim marriage is correctly sanctioned, he’s not technically married to her from the legal perspective of the state he’s living in. Waa la qariyaa ogoga. And for that reason, he ceases to funttion as a responsible husban and father. He wouldn’t show up for his children when it matters the most, in the parent-teacher meetings, in the routine medical screens, etc. In fact if the authority come his home for inspection, he and his wife would spend the night before devising best ways to evade them; his traces in his home would be purposefully erased. All of this is somehow ok because it’s done against a gaal institution? What about the negative effect it apparently has on children? Another arena where this anomaly shows on is the area of mucaamalah with other Muslims. You all heard of Dalsan xawaalah and how it harmed and impeached the integrity of wadaads, leaders of this sahwah when it was in its infancy. Also what happened in Toronto was quite appalling. So what happened to the Islamic tarbiyah as it regards to Somalis. Credible wadaads would do things that are wrong. But that’s not what I have beef with, it’s the stubborn and headstrongness that follows it, and at times borders culture of warlordism. Do you think, our early sahwah leaders focused on the masaa’il of caqiidah and perhaps neglected on tarbiyah? And no, this is not some thing I have seen today or yesterday. It’s a real issue, and I have not seen it got adequately addressed. And yes I chose this to be about the good wadaads, and not about the average faaraxs and xaliimos!

edit: @maxaa wacay! Emperor: - I have contributed my two cents about Barre in relation to those who came after him. But good Dhulqarnayn objected it on the basis of that I was being grossly unfair to the late president because rebel movements were the ones physically destroyed the nation and looted its national treasuries. That’s where my devil and his proverbial mom analogy come in. Now unless you missed it in the first read, the catch is this: though devil and his mother supposedly are of a same genre, one actually got the fame [or the infamy if you like] and become synonymous with all things bad. I don’t think this thread is hijacked at all. I don’t know what Horn’s intent was when he initiated this post. It’s quite obvious however that this thread went to the flames as it were, and is beyond salvage now! And deservedly so, if I may add. Abu Sufyaani’s famous maqaalah sums up my attitude toward Barre defenders cries: maa amartu bihaa walam tasu’nii!

^^What was the Major outcome of this NRC, Duke? I heard the tfg got a promise of $150 M from uncle Sum when the old man went to Nairobi last time. Since the principle objective of holding this Conference was to get some financial backing from the concern parties, to continue this gathering with all its security headaches is pointless! Consequently it does not come as a surprise that tfg-ers sent tribal delegates away as soon as it was promised funds. Now as I said it before the aim was never to reconcile Somalis. Political and security issues that were paramount before this Conference commenced remain unresolved. The way to resolve them is not hastily arranging meetings; rather it’s to examine the root causes of our current problems. With all the factors contributing to Somalia’s instability, Ethiopia flamboyantly stands out. It may not solve all of our problems but the minute we recognize that it’s Ethiopia that’s exacerbating out wounds, and take steps to address it, the closer to understanding the root causes of our conflict we would get!

^^Waxaa la yiri ninbaa rag u warramay oo yiri: Xalay ninkii shaydaan ahaa habarti [hooyadii] buu jiidey. Nin raggii loo waramayey ka mid ahaa baa wuxuu ku jawaabay: Shaydaan habarti wax la jiido iyyana waa tahay isna nin yeela waa yahay. ^^That goes to Barre & the armed movements that opposed him!

I don’t get you yaa Dul! Who said warlords are blame less in this? Adeer, what happened in 1991 in Xamar in particular and in the south in general was the finale of a decade and half year old civil war that was going in the other parts of the country. You should not ask me who was presiding that civil war; you as a follower of Somali history should know that. The sucking of Xamar did not happen over-night; it was gradual and predictable. Hargaysa was destroyed not by Ethiopian tanks; the Somali jets burned it down. The very institutions that supposed to protect the nationa interest of or people poisoned the drinking-wells of our nomads. You should know all of that adeer. The talk of Ethiopia as it regards to Barre’s brutalities is quite cheap, and it’s sad people like you let these emotions fog their judgment. When a brutal regime utterly collapses without plans in place to replace it, what follows next could be explained in different lights. Iraqs did not loot their national treasuries due to hatred of their country. It’s that these institutions represented symbols of Sadam, the leader they hated and despised. I don’t have that much time on my hand, but you need to understand that the role of Barre was not equal of that of a rebel leader. His cardinal sin was that he failed to resist his desire to hold on to a feeble power and save his country. While Minguste accepted arrangements by others to flee so his country can be inherited intact, Barre did not. In fact he only fled when Aydid defeated him quite handily and captured his home region from him.

Qaran are terrorists .

I didn’t know Barre as a person. But many of us knew him as a leader. And as such he was neither wise nor visionary. He was stubborn dictator and Leninist ideologue who at times challenged our core Islamic values. He inherited a nation at its fancy, and utterly destroyed it. History would have forgiven him had he left it in the state upon which he found the Somali State. Alas, he left behind nothing but chaos and clan hatred. Hence it’s my opinion that what we see today is the direct corollary of Barre’s long and corrupt dictatorial regime. Somalia achieved less, and not more, during his stay. To compare him with the current mayhem that’s Somalia is gross injustice! What we see are but explosives/landmines sat up by the very political culture Barre’s rule fostered. The Aydids and Yeys of Somali world were/are but miniatures of Barre’s version; each desired to dwarf him and replace him not with better vision but assume Barre’s function and leadership position. Still, though these and other rebel movement leaders were roughly equal in crime with Barre in their drive to gain power, his was unpardonable for the very fact that he was in a position to change things in a positive direction and save Somalis from what he knew was coming [it was really apparent], which he did not! To forgive him is being benevolent, a deed encouraged by our creed. To defend him or tweak his known history, however, is just being ..... As for Horn, and this post, I think it has been customary in the contemporary Somali history for one to paint his leaders in the most positive light possible. On that account the man, Horn that is, did no wrong! ps--Kismayo threads would fare much better than this lame one, I insist !

Nurow , keep the balance right…post some politics as well as some spiritual topics. Brother, you may want to address the political misconceptions intelligent but ignorant Muslims develop about righteous movements that sometimes slip. And speaking about politics, I would argue Islam would be substantially diminished if not the wacyiga siyaasiga ah it so appropriately conveys. It was one of the most depressing days in Sahaabs life when suuratul al_ruum was revealed. Its chief topic was foreign policy. Poor sahaabs who were confined in their hideout in Mecca were taught about global relations and geopolitical shifts of that time. It was an effort to horizon sahaabs thinking, and give them a feel about the scope of the world they were chosen to rescue. Thanks yaa Shiekhul Cyber as- Suumaali~~

I dont mind commenting Barre threads. But I need more of Kismayo threads, Horn! hurry up and get me some before Ramadan dawns on us...

marra waaxida yaa Lily! Jiq uga dhig Faarax B waad haysaaye'e. lol@Ghanima. ^^I think it’s safe to say after you came back from that blessed trip of yours, you gave an impression of a change of attitude toward that Political entity. If you find that offensive, forgive me for it’s nothing more than a mere impression . My careful observation of your writings suggest subtle transition from loudly defending the concept of secessionism to a more of supporting people of that region, and not necessarily providing intellectual argument for the concept of separatism in the north. Even that is subtle , so don’t let it throw you out of balance either. If and when I decide to go to Somaliland, I would make sure that my trip does not overlap with that of Oodweyne or Lander. These two gentlemen gave me an impression of them being very serious about this issue. Oodweyne might as well opt to have me tied down in Dooxa Hargaysa …and since my little gabay in the politics section, i cant even count on JB coming to my rescue!

^^Bisinka! Two cold and very callous sentences you penned there good Naden. Allow Towbo.

Faarax Ina Brown, good to see you enjoying the delight of being at your native soil. Kulu shay yarjic ilaa aslihi~~

^^^Gartaas waxbaan ka galayyaa. Me, geelna ma leh gabarna asba waa, marka Kashafow xaal mastuur kale in la raadsho maahee odoga jiq baad kaga dhigtay. Redka, I would be glad to go and see the place. But I ain’t going soon; I need me get good company and recruit NGONGE and Castro first .

@Bisharo & General Zu ^^Waryee General Zu, where have you been lately old man! War ninyahow gabdhaha ha igu dirin qoor-iyo-xero ka daba-gaaleeye’e! Bishaaro, nice comeback! You pulled on me a nice one there----how one supposed to argue against what seems to be a divine homily . Let me say though that I also believe women are true martyrs; they see blood every month; they are the only ones who know what’s like to carry a human being within own body; and only them can go through the gruesome experience of childbirth, and yet continue to give even more! Still women cry more often than men. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it has been an established fact. Perhaps it’s the culture that reinforced this. Waagaan yaraa Hooyaday waxay I oran jirtey war ilkaha is dhaafso oo adkayso. I am not sure if my sisters got the same instruction.