Ethiopia rebels say killed 270 more troops Sun Nov 4, 1:55 AM ET Ethiopia's ****** National Liberation Front (ONLF) rebels said on Sunday they had killed another 270 government troops in heightened fighting in the remote eastern region of the Horn of Africa nation. Most were blown up in packed trucks, the rebels said. Prime Minister Meles Zenawi's government has regularly denied ONLF reports of mass casualties as propaganda from the its foreign supporters. It has itself reported many deaths on the rebel side during its offensive against them this year. No independent assessment of casualties has been possible as the region is effectively off-limits to foreign journalists and is also often difficult to access for aid workers. The ****** conflict is the worst of several insurgencies that Meles' government faces in the outer regions of Ethiopia. Security forces launched an unprecedented offensive against the ONLF, which wants more autonomy for the arid region, after it killed 74 people during a raid on a Chinese-run oil exploration field earlier this year. In its latest "military communique," the ONLF said "large numbers" of its fighters had engaged government troops in five places between Oct 26-Nov 1 due to "summary executions, detentions of nomads and senseless shooting of livestock." "These engagements resulted in over 270 TPLF (government) troops killed with an unconfirmed number wounded. Five military transport vehicles were destroyed by RPG-7s. The transport vehicles were full of troops when they were struck," it said. "Military engagements between ONLF troops and TPLF forces in the ****** have increased significantly over the last two weeks. This increase appears to be a coordinated and deliberate escalation in armed conflict initiated by the TPLF regime despite the humanitarian crisis in the ******." Ethiopian officials were not immediately available for fresh comment on the latest ONLF statement. Last month, the rebels also claimed they had killed 250 soldiers in other fighting. The ONLF gave no information of its own casualties. Ethiopia accuses the ONLF, which is thought by analysts to number several thousand armed men, of being terrorists supported by arch-foe and neighbor Eritrea.

Faarax, the key word is majority of SOOLers dont see things eye to eye with the way SL wants to achieve indepedence! Xaabsade is really irrelevent to the masiirka dadkaas. of course he has had an impact on the people and his actions affected them. But so Geedi, Aydiid's and Qanyare's of this world....and you know where they fit in that equation. ps--waraa seexday ee nabaday...inaad qayisheen baan u malaynayyaa caawa saa wax seexanayyaba idinkuma jiraane'e!

^^That’s very pregnant adeer!

^^ Actually your reference of Somaliland is a germane one although it wasn’t in mind when I wrote what I wrote there. Let me show you a good example of Somalis and their nature by asking you to briefly articulate where you stand on Laascaano issue!

Fair enough yaa Brown! But look from this angle too. Laascaano was a peaceful city. It was thriving and buzzing. All of a sudden it changed hands, and apparently majority of its people fled from both the current skirmishes and the potential looming conflict. Some of them are refugees out there in the bushes of howd. Talking their tragedy in geopolitical terms falls short of the somalinimo I was referring to. I have zilch to do with the laascaano city. Except I have few friends from that city. I mean good religious friends who today are busying themselves in a preparation of war. A war they did not really thought about before. Some of them were leaning toward Somaliland and I used to have argument with them about it. Most of them only cared about the blight of Mogadishu and were more concern about it more so than any other conflict in Somalia. But today that’s not the case. Their immediate concern is their city, and how to liberate it from those who invaded it. And I don’t blame them for it. To me they are justified in participating in that effort. The two dabodhalif thing does not cut here adeer for it touches the livelihood of their community and its investment in peace. Castro, I want to be challenged here saaxiib. Despite how my writings come across the truth is I have no emotional attachment to Laascaanood. I only seek justice, and it does not appeal to me the implication of the logic I have seen here which more a or less so wickedly says if Xamar is ablaze and under Ethiopian boots, let no Somali city be safe!

^^Somalis are not going to unite any time soon! It’s sad, but that’s my read of their reality!

^^ I believe we've closed some gaps there! Your uncles's boasting verses, however superior in composition, fail short to boost or make up the lost confidence in SOOL Ayoubow! Perhaps Ina Mire’s somber stanzas could serve as a clear reminder of what you are about to lose should SOOL conflict materialize may Allah forbid that others have already lost. After he observed how the guuguule bird, unaware that perhaps it is the sole survivor of the Howd famine, was crying for food and water, Ismail Mire composed arguably one of his best poems to remind this bird that perhaps silence may be a better strategy than crying for an unattainable food lest its cries attract other starving animals to come and eat it. Quit this useless cry so you can evade the looming catch ayuhal guuguule! Ismacil Mire advised! Here are the last three stanzas of Mire famous poem---the Guuguule. Gaajiyo rafaad bay qabaan garow la'aaneede Ayaxii geyiga joogi jirey guuto lagu saarye Gubniyaa hareeraha ka maray gaariyaal wada e Geedaha sun baa loogu daray geerinaw badaye Wax ma galabsanine maalin baa loo guddoonsadaye Adigaaba lagu gaadayaa waadan garanayne Guuxiyo cabaadkiyo haddaad gooha damin waydo Quruumahakan wada geyfan baa baalka kaa guriye Gaagaabso oo aamu yaan gaar lagaa qabane

^^^Xoogsadow dabodhalifs have no tol we can speak of, really. They are there because of Ethiopia’s support. I think reer Goldogob will continue to develop these institutions and serve the needs of their people. The mayor of Goldogob seems to sympathize with the people of his city, and that’s really a good sign. As reports indicate some elders already crossed to other side of the border in a bid to secure the release of these two innocent men. Let’s pray they succeed!

Reports indicate that the Ethiopians have entered the city. That they aimed at the Al Nur primary/elementary school. They fired at the air to frighten the students, when the students fled, they abducted two instructors. Then they ordered the school be closed, and students not come back! They also stopped at the Al Xikma radio station, and warned the management that they will close it down. Of course when compared with the dialy atrocities these xabashis commit in Xamar in daily basis, this amounts to an insignificant incident. But it shows the strength of the grip Ethiopian’s has on us. A School that serves close to 200 hundred students is closed just like that because few dabo-dhilifs in Gaalkacyo or Goldogob don’t like the progress these locals made and want to stop it in the name of war on terror! At least some cites are doing good job at reporting facts as they are! Read this detailed report Puntlandpost put together and compare it the one Ethiopian apologist Allpuntland published!

Originally posted by AYOUB: Xiin are you making things up as you go or have you no courage to say what's really on your mind. The grazing lands of Hawd know no clans nor international borders. Always thought this is common knowledge to everyone including those from Kismaayo (ahem! ahem! ) . Do you see how absurd the your clannish claims for Sanaag, Sool and Buuhoodle are? I advise you to think twice next time before throwing the above primitive phrases about. ^^ I am sure if you ask your uncles they will tell you where thier camels graze ! Problem is you seem to be certain about where the arbitrary lines former British colony drew as divide between Somalis lie, and feign lame when I talk about your entity's real tribal borders! Let me give you a hint, Puntland or Cadde's entity knows very well where thier tribal border lies on both fronts. Gaalkacyo is a good example! Adeer Somalia as it's today is a tribal state. Puntland is. Somaliland is. Xamar is (tfg is really irrelevent in this context)! Baydhabo is. Kismayo is. I cant blv we are having argument about which tribe LA belongs. Certainly the folks who own it dont want your entity to be there! finito...

Somalia: Slain Ethiopian troops paraded in Mogadishu streets 2 Nov 2, 2007 - 8:41:18 AM MOGADISHU (AFP) — Masked Islamist insurgents on pick-up trucks paraded what they said were the bodies of three Ethiopian soldiers in the streets of Mogadishu Friday, an AFP correspondent reported. The show of defiance by the Shabab, the radical armed wing of the main Somali Islamist movement, came as a four-day lull was shattered by renewed fighting in the capital's southern neighbourhoods. "We will keep killing them until they get out of our country," said one of the gun-toting insurgents, shouting from the back of pick-up, the kind that has become a symbol of Somalia's 17-year-old lawlessness. His face hidden behind a red turban, the Islamist fighter and his two fellow insurgents toured the southern Barua district for several minutes with their gruesome trophy. "The people who invaded our country are dying every day in the fighting," an AFP reporter heard the man shout. Witnesses confirmed an artillery duel between Ethiopian forces and insurgents in the nearby Gupta neighbourhood, in the first night marred by major clashes since Ali Mohamed Gedi resigned from the premiership on Monday. According to witnesses, the latest spate of attacks in the restive seaside capital left four Ethiopian troops, two civilians and an insurgent dead. The death toll could not be immediately confirmed by medical sources. Residents said at least one Ethiopian soldier was killed when raiding suspected Islamist insurgent hideouts in southern Mogadishu's Al-Baraka neighbourhood. "I have seen the body of an Ethiopian soldier at Al-Baraka junction ... Another soldier was wounded in the leg," said a resident who requested anonymity for fear of retribution. "A man selling petrol near the junction was hit by a stray bullet and another was shot by Ethiopian forces as he tried to escape," said Mohamed Ali, another resident. Ethiopian troops have been venturing deeper into the streets of Islamist bastions in recent days, in abid to break the back of an insurgency that has plagued efforts to stabilise the transitional government for months. The Ethiopian army came to the rescue of the embattled Somali government last year to oust an Islamist militia that briefly controlled large parts of the country and sought to impose Islamic law. The Islamic Courts Union were swiftly defeated earlier this year, but its remnants and allied tribes have since waged a guerrilla war against their enemies. However the heavy-handed crackdown on the insurgents has also angered many in Mogadishu. Three civilians were killed late last month when Ethiopian troops opened fire on demonstrators protesting against their presence. On Wednesday, the UN refugee agency said up to 90,000 civilians were displaced in Mogadishu in the weekend fighting, which was "the worst in months" stoking worsening humanitarian crisis in the country. The parading of dead Ethiopian troops through the streets of Mogadishu was somewhat reminiscent of 1993, when the bodies of US special forces taking part in a doomed operation were famously torn to pieces and paraded in the streets. Alarmed by the escalating violence in Mogadishu, 40 aid groups warned of an "unfolding humanitarian catastrophe" in parts of Somalia and said they could no longer meet the country's growing relief needs. The fighting is exacerbating an already dire humanitarian situation which has left 1.5 million -- almost one sixth of the total population -- in need of help. Bloody clan feuds following the 1991 ousting of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre escalated into a civil war which continues to defy every peace initiative. Source: AFP

Dagaalo ka dhacey Muqdisho By Nov 2, 2007 - 7:39:50 AM Dagaalo oo la isu adeegsaday hubka noocyadiisa kala duwan ayaa aroornimadii saakay ka dhacay deegaanada Baar Ubax, Black Sea, Gubta, Isgoyska Towqiif, wadada qabuuraha Barakaat iyo Carafaat kuwaasoo u dhaxeeyay ciidamada Ethiopia, kuwa dowladda oo dhinac ah iyo kooxaha ka horjeeda dowladda. Ciidamada Ethiopia ee ku sugnaa Wasaaradii hore ee Gaashaandhigga, ayaa saaka ku soo kalahay degmada Hodan. Labo Askari oo Ethiopian ah ayaa ku geriyootay dagaal kulul oo ka dhacay agagaarka Baar Ubax iyo Black Sea oo ay ciidamadaasi ka wadeen baaritaan kadibna ay la kulmeen weeraro looga soo qaadayey xaafadaha dhexdooda, sidoo kale shan qof oo sadax rayid ah iyo labo askari oo kuwa dowladda ah ayaa ku dhawacmay dagaaladaasi oo maanta qaboobey xiligii Salaada Jimcaha kadib. Ciidamadaan ayaa dib u gurtey oo ku laabtey xerada Gulwadayasha halkaas oo iminka ku sugan yihiin. Dhinaca kale dagaal kulul ayaa isna saakay ka dhacay deegaanka Suuqa Xoolaha halkaasoo ciidamo Ethiopian ah oo howlo baaritaan ah ka waday lala beegsaday sadax bam gacmeed kuwaasoo uu ku dhaawacmay hal askari iyo labo haween oo rayid ah oo goobta ku ganacsanayey, iyadoo markii danbe isu badashay gacan ka hadal is rasaaseyn ah oo mudo socotay. Ciidamada Ethiopia oo baritanadan wada ayaa ah kuwo dhowaan soo galey magaalada iyaga oo la kulmey weeraro gaadmo ah oo kaga yimi kooxaha ka soo horjeda. Garowe Online,Muqdisho

Meydadka Ciidamada Itoobiyaanka oo mar kale maanta lagu jiiday magaalada Muqdisho Ciidamada Itoobiya oo maanta k soo gaaray qaasarahii ugu badanaa ee soo wajahay waxii ka danbeey dagaalkadii Sagaalka Casho ayaa maanta sixun loogu jabshay dagaalo ay la galeen ciidamada diidan joogitaanka ciidamada gumeysiga Itoobiya . Dagaalada Maanta oo ka kala dhacay gooba badan ayaa inta la ogyahay waxaa kaga dhintay ciidamada Itoobiyaanka 9 ka tirsan ciidankooda iyo dhawaaca aad u farbadan iyadoona jabka ugu xoogan uu ka soo gaaray deegaanka Gubta kasoo dhowr askari oo la dilay ayna ka carareen ciidankii ay soo qadeen ciidanka kacdoonka kuwaas oo keenay goob lagu banaan baxaayey oo ku taalo deegaanka Baar Ubax halkaas ay ku soo xuumeen dadweynahii careysnaa meydkiina jidka ku jiiday Jabka maanta soo gaaray Itoobiyaanka ayaa ah mid aysan filaneynin madaama mar qur ah ay ka war heleen rasaas ka soo dhaceysa meel walba ,kooxa dagaalyahaniinta Soomaaliyeed ayaa waxaa uga geeriyooday deegaanka Gubta laba ka tirsan kaasoo uu ku jiro shaqsi siweyn uga qeyb qaatay la dagaalanka ciidamada gumeysiga Itoobiya kasoo lagu magacaabo sida ay shegeen dadka deegaanka Allaha u naxariistee Cabdulaahi Adan . Ciidamada Itoobiya oo firxadkoodii lalayahay meel ay jaan iyo cirib dhigeen ayaa u muuqato in ay maanta la tusay cashar adag oo aysan kasoo kaban waligood.

^^I thought you were begining to get a handle on it! Why retreat now duqa?

^^lool@Hunguri. Ma inaad sheekeeyaad rabtaa ninyahow, ma lays daayyo !

Good strategy! Protests are effective political tool...

Originally posted by AYOUB: Stop being illusive and vague and tell me where you want SL to withdraw to Mr. Xiin. Are you embarrassed by your clannish land claims? Don't want to make assumptions so could you please name the places you're claiming (produce a map if you have to) and show us what's on your mind. Let SOL know what it will take for you to have peaceful sleep like Cadde Muuse's infamous Mogadishu slumber. You're clearly not satisfied with Red's suggestion, what is it that you want? [/QB] Meeshuu geeliinu daaqo joog dee , hadii lagugu qabsadona difaaco. Clearly Laascoono is not, or is it? Brother,drop this dream of SL encompassing collonial borders and swallowing entire clans by force, and you would be fine adeer! Redka made a good call. And i said so! I dont get what you are protesting about. I am not good at producing clannish maps. I dont see states here. These are clan groupings that have been living together in peace for many years. These are facts. The rest as always is a poor spin!

Ayoub, you are protesting too much adeer. Yesterday you failed to appreciate my learned allusions in your previous thread. But I am glad that you do appreciate Reds withdrawal suggestion today. It’s logical, and a realistic stance to take. It’s also, or so it seems, how things are fated in that part of our region. As for your q, the answer is ridiculously simple. SL will withdraw to its political constituents, the clans it comprises. The nostalgic desire to remake the region to conform to yesteryear’s colonial settings is just pathetic adeer, and that’s what the LA conflict is all about. All I have been saying was reeruhu nabad ha ku wada noolaadeen inta Ilaahay dalka dawlad u dhalinayyo. You on the other hand thought of your little entity a republic of its own and have been applauding what you thought were the successes of its army ! Dont be livid with me adeer, the absurdity of attempting to secede from a fallen state is what exposing you!

^^Wax waalan. Marka gabdhaha da'dooda lasoo gaaro, Hooyday keliyaa iga weyn adeer !

^^ waad fasaxantahay adigu adeer! iidaaya Ayoub caawa Redow! Xaajiyadii xattaa shaah bay iigu tuurtay !

Red Sea, I gather inaad wax kala reebaysid ! But the fact you boldly called a complete withdrawal from LA is itself a good start. As for the mocking part! You see Redka, the fall of LA was very revealing incident! Some landers openly celebrated the exodus, the refugees, and other sufferings resulted by the political hand-changes of LA and called it a momentous liberation. In their mind the painful crawl to reach the colonial border sketches has finally come to a joyous halt; Somaliland has reached a political milestone! ^^Such grievous utterance of theirs suffices to mock…really. Ayoub, what do you have against H clan adeer? You tend to worry more about them, more so than the prevailing threats in the region! Besides what do you say about good Red’s call ?

^^Actually I thought you were advocating a genuine position, namely to withdraw SL militia from SOOL region because you think it’s the interest of SL community to do so! If I got that one right, I see no reason for you to be sheepish about your stance and protect those whose judgment on this issue failed them! There mujaahids who seriously think closing the colonial borders by force is a political goal for which SL entity should strive toward. And for your information, good Redka, I, as Xiin, seldom do I miss an opportunity howerve feeble to expose the nakedness of some SOLers political stances...

^^If you find Ethiopia friendly and helpful for this tfg project which you apparently support, others have different view of them adeer. What Ethiopia wants, which is essentially to keep what it perceives its territorial integrity, can’t be reconciled with the aspirations and objectives of the people ONLF represents!

Good call Yaa red sea. You've clearly rejected the shame of hesitation. Lets see how Mujaahid Ayoub and others respond to your call though !

This is another Somali tragedy. Somalis are to blame for this. Justice will be served one day.