Baashow Haneefa waa laguu yaqaan!

Ayyaan darro!

^^ Jacaylow, sidaad ugu niyadsantahay in qaxa ka dhacay Laascaanood uu dawladnimadaadii soo dhaweynayyo ayyaa dadka ku dibad baxay Muqdishanna u aaminsanyihiin inay dadka walaalahood dhibka ku dhacay yahay iyaga dawladnimadooda! Bal ka tali adeer! And that you post this thread wondering why some somalis do celebrate others tragedy is indeed the irony here!

^^ Yaad u malaynaysaa? Adiga xaggaa iyo politics section ka na keen!

^^ calm down kooleey, habaryarahay dad la heli karo maaha! Maanta meel uma socdo. Shaqadii waa isasoo taagtay. SOL baan ka shaqeynayyaa adeer dadbadan meesha war uun lasoo dhooban oon rabaa inaan kala yareeyo. Adiga bas waaye mar haddaad habaryar i tiri waan iska kaa dhaafayyaa...

Waryaa GL Oodweyne is not the leader of SL. In his recent writings he has shown genuine concern about the plight of the Mogadishu people. He though both PL and SL leadership, though in a different degree, are partially to blame for Ethiopia’s atrocities in Xamar. So now I requested him to throw his two cents in strategizing how to remove Ethiopia from our affairs so Somalis can finally sit down and sort things out in their own ways under the traditional qurac tree! ThePoint, do you know something we dont know adeer! What makes you think as the consequence of Ethiopia's acts in Xamar, there will be a vaible goverment in Xamar?

Markaan ku iri waad warbadantahay waad xanaaqday laakiin runtaan udhowaa. See, hadda habaryar baad i leedahay!Habryartay ma noqon kartid. Hal qolo keliyaa habaryar ii ah meeshaanna ma joogaan!

Anigu gabdhaha waa la taliyaa. Wax fiican baan u sheega. Ma shukaansado, alley ka ahay taa iskuma dayyo! Mar-mar ka qaarkood taan u bogo, nin fiican oo aan aqaan baa ku taabtaa, waana iskugu duceeyyaa in ilaahay isku anfaco! Intaas yaa wax ka qaba?

^^Waryaa maxaan isku nahay labadeenu, ninka waa ku goobanayey! reer dudaaye waaxid!

^^'Pot calling the pot names', is that it yaa koolka?

i factored the confusion that comes with age. i had all my helpers with me. My hosts thought of Ottawa as the best city in NA. I even had a French Canadian friend who showed me around the city! It does not rock at all! Waase kuu daayey ee ha ila diririn adeer !

Where is Oodweyne? I was expecting a lengthy write up about how to defeat Ethiopia from him!

Ottawa sucks. It's boring. It's a confused city. I was there last summer adeer. What i found beautiful was the term 'habbo' most somali in that city use as a term of endearment!

^^Horta adigu warbadnidaa...intaas waad uun muddacaysaaye! Bisinka iyo burdaha... Waraa Labaale thanks for sharing this. Raggeedii baad tahay walle! waayadaan miyigaad degtay baan u malaynayyaa intaa geel iyo ari uun baad ka sheekeynaysaa! Paragon, that was somebody else’s idea adeer, I was just propagating it! I did not go far with it runtii. Hadda diyaar maahi.Waa inaan amxaarada ka adkaanna marka hore hadhowbaan gabyaynaa oo xattaa haddaan rabno buraanburaynaa! Shamrarkow,adeer maxaad isku yeelyeelaysaa waad ogtahay inaan ardadaada ka mid ahaye'e! ps -- guys NGONGE ha ku qaldaminna af soomaliga aad buu u yaqaannaa runtii!

^^I think you have a point there! Puntland’s elites and its leadership as a whole have more stakes in the tfg and hence willing to support it, and by logical extension support the Ethiopian presence and occupation in Xamar! But arguing about which of SL or PL policy makers is guiltier is neither here nor there. What is germane and worthy of a discussion yaa Oodweyne is the current political environment prevailing throughout Somalia in which Ethiopia is seemingly thriving on, and whether you can at all fathom its origins and its core enablers, and hence has the capacity to put forth strategies to overcome it, and perhaps reverse it! That’s what I am interested in these days adeer! When I object secessionists like you, who come here gnashing their teeth unaware of the political ironies in which they so publicly swim, I am only objecting to the naivety their argument help surface and float up: how could Somalia ever stand its legs again if some parts of it are so ingrained in the zero sum game, and are tirelessly solidifying superficial ties with the enemy while forgetting all along that Ethiopia in the end of the day sees Somalia as one peace of the chess game in the horn? Please once and for all think outside of your political box, pen some realistic strategies and ways to end our mess and push Ethiopia back even if doing so compels you to offend one or two fellow secessionists of yours!

I know that i think it's a good thing for you and for him that he is there but lets for a minute concentrate his stances on mushkiladda Xamar!

^^Faysal wuxuu aaminsanaa markii u danbaysay in inanka Adisababa ku dhashay u ka xigo kan Xamar ku dhashay! How is that cambaarayn saaxiib!

I might have been wrong on my assumptions but again the argument in which you sought refugee to refute Castro’s assertion (namely that the deeds of the political leadership or elites of any Somali region can hardly be a measure of what the populace of that said region stand for) and historical case you presented for it somehow comes across quite inconsistent. For a one hand you are indicting the entire of community of Puntland based on the crimes committed by its corrupt leadership and the militia it has in its command while on the other you are resisting any blame on your neck of the wood and willing to transfer it to the current leadership of Somaliland. How injudicious are you sir? If truth were to be boldly told, most Somali people are captives to their respective leaders with the help of Ethiopia!

^I think but not sure this is where Islamic fundamentalism would fall---It would not signify any polarities!

^Waxba runtii. Except i will have to find out whcih sl official vacation in France!

lol. Bas. Khalaas. Faysal waa raggeedii mar hadduu meesha soo arkay inay soomaaliland ka baxda suurowda.

This is good one.

Oodqweyne wrote: “….Walee Qaan-Xisaabeed Oo Mahadho Ah Iyo Gunnimo Asaliyin Ah Oo Taariikhda Gashey Soomaali Kala Gudoontey Maalinkaa Maanta Ah….Hase Ahaatee Jawaabta Mudan In Ladhowraa Waa Giraanta Wareegta Ee Wakhtileyda Ah Iyo Bar-Barkey Kudambeyn Doonto….” Very true indeed! Laakiin Oodweynow adiga iyo kuwa aad siyaasadda wadaagtaan ee safiirka Ethiopia Hargeysa ku qayilsiiyaa, ONLF tana u qab-qabta, Berberana hubka uga daabula xaggee u malaysannaa inay taariikhdaad sheegtay ka galayaan adeer? Puntland waaba la gartay oo hadde xoog iyo xoolaba la garab istaagtay odey Cabdulle, waxaan rabaa inaad i fahasiiso waxaa kooxdaadu ka dheefayyaan caawinta ay Ethiopia caawiyaan?

lol@the word that followed Oxy! Waa markaad soo toosto hadaba xaaji! Castro wrote: Xiin must have gotten a subscription to World Defense Review Waryee Castro you should credit Don Bros Coffee instead . actually i have not seen this report. I am familiar with its author though, and i despise him very much!

NG wrote: Still, my biggest concern here is in the huge leap that Xiin makes when he suggests that only by weakening Ethiopia will Somalia be able to finally sort itself out. His argument of course (and possibly rightly) is based on the opinion (or rather unproven fact) that Ethiopia is the driving force behind the Somali conflict. This concerns me because it does not take into account the centuries old doubt, mistrust and uncertainty that exists between Somalis themselves. It also underestimates the level of greed, selfishness and egotism that is inherent in most the current Somali leaders and agenda setters (including the ICU). Xiin’s (and your) analysis, at first glance, succeeds in accentuating the positive and underplaying the negative, which is not a problem if this was merely some sort of feel-good discussion. But, it is not, is it? It is an actual analysis (on your part at least, if not Xiin’s) of the way forward for Somalis! ^^One sees smoke and infers fire saaxiib! Asserting that Ethiopia is the driving force behind our civil wars does not imply that there are no animosity between the Somali people for the enemy to cultivate or historical grievances to build onto! Somali people since time immemorial have been fighting over (amongst many) grazing rights, access to wells and camels. After some of them gained impendence from European imperialists Somalis, as humans often do quite naturally, disagreed over mundane political and economic matters, and some segments of them even revolted against their countries highest authority. When the Somali republic prematurely collapsed, they killed each other and had a very torturous civil war between them! The long civil war, which still continues mind you, had sewed a deep mistrust between them! It is significant, and one can’t sensibly neglect it. There are Somalilanders who are naturally suspicious any thing southern, and are determined to resist any union with the south as they knew it. There are Puntlanders who remember the atrocities committed against their fellow clansmen and women when General Aydids’ usc captured Xamar, and whose elites are determined to keep their historical influence on Somali politics by any means. You have the people of Bay and Bakool who reasonably concluded absence of a just and fair government, and with armed Somalis left alone and to their own devices, their survival is at sake, and consequently accepted Ethiopia as a necessary measure to preserve their rights in a chaos south! And then you have the Benadir people whose region epitomized the injustices, the instability, and all the qualities of civil war! As you can imagine their grievance is real and deep! I know all of that saaxiib! But so does Ethiopia! Unfortunately! And it seems to me Ethiopia is putting more efforts and energy to get a permanent foothold in Somali affairs to the degree where it would be impossible for Somalis to even talk to each let alone resolve their problems. Let me give you an example, and you might have seen me cite this before! Take the Somaliland and Puntland political and territorial quarrel. As you know each entity has open channels with Ethiopia. Each boasts about the business trips their leaders take to secure this economic pact or that military and security understanding with Ethiopia. Despite the history, the religion, the culture, the language, and the land they share none of these entities leaders ever met, at least publicly. No leaders from SL ever traveled to PL and vise versa! Why these seemingly intelligent people cant recognize the obvious fact that they could indeed talk to each other and resolve their matters in a brotherly manner without bringing Ethiopia into the picture? Why is that do you reckon yaa NGONGE? I don’t think one can explain this in light of animosity between Puntland and Somaliland. There is a far greater animosity between Ethiopia and Somalis. Apparently Ethiopia has a grip on these entities! There are other examples where you can easily and clearly see that Ethiopia’s hand in Somalia is deep and negative. To address it and find ways to remove her influence from the Somali affairs is a must, I believe. Even those Somalis in those entities that are in Ethiopia’s not-so-indirect captivity don’t know why things are the way they are. And it reminds me the story about a generation of monkeys borne in a life of captivity, told by a manager of mine in a bid to describe the inherent problems that come with legacy systems and the users that only know how to use a particular function but not why! They were particularly obedient (these monkeys were) to the rules of the monkey catcher that held them in confinement for many years. The irony of their dimmed intelligence was made manifest to any observer by their determined abstinence from climbing up [edited] ladders! Why, you may wonder, wouldn’t a monkey climb up a ladder when given the opportunity to do so! From a pure animalistic instinct, wouldn’t that itself represent an opportunity for escape? This is because, explains the monkey catcher, the first monkey caught was put through a harsh process to forgo any opportunity for escape, especially when the means is a ladder. Whenever it tries to climb up the ladder that’s put before him, a bone freezing, cold water would be poured on it (the monkey), and the flow of the cold discharge would force monkey to retreat to a safe corner in its confined cage! This would be repeated any time a monkey tries to escape and climb up the ladder! And so the wild monkey adapted to the rules of his catcher, and learnt to live with it. Any subsequent monkey that gets caught by the monkey catcher would be put through the same process to restrain it from escaping, climbing up the ladder. The funny thing is, overtime, these monkeys become so conscious about ladders, whenever one of their offspring tries to escape or even out of a mere playfulness attempts to climb up the ladder, they would snatch it right away before the cold water even start to pour out. Grapping to prevent other monkeys from climbing up the ladder become the default reaction among later generation monkeys, and as the old generations died away, the reason of doing it was no longer in the domain of these monkeys’ knowledge for they never had the opportunity to even see the consequence of climbing up the ladder! No monkey in this generation had ever tasted the numbness of the cold water, or weighty thrust of its velocity, that would’ve poured on it had it disobeyed catcher’s rules and gone out to climb up the ladder! Yet the catcher has the luxury of having his orders met without exacting any punishments or spelling out the consequences if they are not met! The monkeys are amazingly bred into a culture of conformity to the norms as they come to know them! You see, that’s how things are! That was how other monkeys, the older ones, always did it! And apparently, this is how things will be absence of any reasoning as to why they should be that way! Analogous to that short story is the Somali politician’s relationship with Ethiopia! As you can see I am proposing not only can these monkeys break the rules and climb up the damn ladder but they can indeed also kill the catcher and escape singing victory songs… .