^^I tend to subscribe the definition of Time as an absolute reality, not unreal. It’s what we humans measure, and not the measure itself. Measure of time may have varying conventions and methods, but Time remains the same. Unlike you, I also believe that time has a direction--- it’s linear, and not cyclical as you, and good Legend of Zu asserted! There is a past, that period of time which so hurriedly recedes. There’s a present, the period of time in which we are living. And there will be a future, we may not live it or experience it, but our knowledge of things warrants us to admit that it’s a pending reality. I do not wish to enter a verbal controversy here with you but I find it quite interesting that your mystic inclinations are spearheading your thoughts...leaving a lingering impression of your preference of time, as an unreal, a mere elusion, cyclical and exists only in concept and in our minds, being a perfect choice to have as it regards adhering to Sufism’s common themes and teachings. Legend Of Zu, Time is what's measured adeer, and its measurement is relative to the one doing the measuring... I expected more than that from you, brother. You are teasing our intelligence when you cite the relativity of Time to be sufficient enough to contradict its existence!

^^This world “is not to be more than a day or half a day”, relatively yaa L O Z! In fact that signifies time as if we are reminded that we should not labor and give all of our worth to such a cheap commodity… Just like me you are being hasty it seems, if not how do you explain (if time is, as you agreed with Positive, a mere measure) that Allah swears and give his word with especial emphasis on time, or one state of time, the Asr! i am in a learning mode tonight...ready to benefit yaa Legend...

Johnny B , I admire your passion for finding the truth of things. I am however afraid that you are risking being the proverbial one-eyed woman that good Hadrawi depicted in one of his poems to illustrate the difficulty of finding the true reality of things when the one doing the quest is utterly ill equipped to find what he/she looking for even if he/she so genuinely attempts to find it! There he posed the story of a highly ambitious woman who, after years of praying for pregnancy, gave birth to what he termed as a precious son, and suddenly lost it on the spot, and then commenced so hurriedly to get it back. In her efforts to find her much awaited and cherished son, here are the challenges/obstacles good Hadrawi puts before her: 1- She has only one eye---her sight is compromised. 2- She never saw the son she is looking for---her knowledge of him is clearly lacking 3- As if to make the matters even more cumbersome for her, this one eyed-woman has a peculiar birth defect where the anatomy of her sole eye is unnaturally out of place---her eye is on top of her head, to make use of it, she grabs objects of interest, lifts them above her head, and checks against her eye to actually see them! More interesting is how the said woman lost her newborn in the first place but lets stay with the challenges before her to overcome and enjoy the motherhood she so desperately wanted. In the fear of you interpreting my analogy quite literally, let me say that you not the one eyed woman. Getting that out of way, and in a bid to extract some lasting wisdom from you, let me say that you and she have few things in common . You both have different impairments with the same effects. You both use same methodology to validate things that resemble the truth you are looking for. Ninkii adeerkaa ahaa ee xikmadda miiran ah bal soo daliisho jboy..waa kukaas...

^^^Time is a mere measure for change, eh? One would think of time as a basic property of our universe, essential, and quite significant to the quality of our lives. Reducing it to one of its mechanics, namely the measure for change as good Positive asserted, is a big demotion of sort, methinks! You see, Islam teaches about time and highlights its value. It teaches that life in this world is temporary and short. That time passes very fast. If we get things right here in this world and worship Allah, as we ought to, Islam promises variety of reward programs, and all of those programs have time as a component. Eternity is what gives Jannaat the values we all desire and wish! I am being hasty here but I was taken aback by brother Positive’s comments about time as a negligible illusion! Come again, brother and tell us how you can marry the significance Islam attributes to time with your claim that time is no more than an impression together (if I understood your statements correctly)!

Emperor, I accept the premise of your assertion, namely that a legal authority with a popular support would be best equipped to remove Ethiopia’s influence and military presence in our soil! Now the ball is in your court, advance it forward please!

^^You may have a point there in that i have cheered for the Courts and supported them wholeheartedly till the world ganged up on them and defeated them. I also admit that they had a hand in thier demise. But today it's no longer cheering for this group or that group! It's saving somalis first from each other and reviving somalia second. Now tell me what is your plan to defeat Ethiopia ?

Emperor, thanks for the observation saaxiib. While able minds labor and debate on finding a solution to our problems, you, yaa Emperor, continue doing what you do best which is cheering your little idols and political puppets adeer! Let me know if anyone interrupts your cheering thoughts my good brother...

On a second thought, i liked the title Hiirad gave this poem: Qosolka Xaabsade .

Red Sea, one of the ways of organizing the rest is to raise their awareness adeer that these political sand-dunes [somaliland, Puntland, etc] and the divisions that exist among them are nothing but part of the scheme to hold Somalia down! How could we achieve the first item on your list if our interests do not even converge vis-à-vis Ethiopia? Tell me my good brother, if you are off a noble blood, how could we ever meet the first condition on your list if Somalis are at each other’s throat and Ethiopia is deemed as a stabilizing factor in the majority of our political circles including, of course, that of Somaliland and Puntland? Give me your plans and strategies adeer! Be the reasonable voice out of this mad crowd and I will be all ears…. Ps---I don not wish to repeat my self and what I stand for in these boards. I am for stable Somalia where this continuous exodus and suffering stops. I firmly believe that can’t be achieved as long Ethiopia frustrates any effort to that regard. Just so you know, when I say Somalia, I mean just that---Somalia! And that would include Somaliland and other lands.

Ghanima, i think i am kinda feel vindicated about my stances,namely that somalis are all in the same boat. The sooner we realise that the sooner we can push Ethiopia back and regian our dignity. Geeljire has made a good points. he seems to undertand why some segments of somalis do what they do to maintain the relationship they have with Ethiopia. To me somaliland is the same as Puntland. a collection of somalis that govern themselves, but in the absence of somali state they are vulnerable and often fall prey for the hegemonic policies of our neighbor! And that's exactly what's happeneing!

!Tell me which box did they put me in. Secessionist-Bashing Box?

Originally posted by J.11: Gentlemen (Baashi, Gediid and Faarax Brown), all your facts, save few accusatory points, are technically rightly stated. It is only that you are all singing from different hym sheets. Thats all. I think what would greatly help is if we all base our factual priorities in concentration on the bigger bigger, especially the consequences policies (inspired directly or indirectly by Ethiopia), might have on the welfare of the general Somali populace wherever in the region they inhabit. To be quite honest, after undergoing some thorough soul-searching in the past few days, I have come to the political of compromising in my ideas to give dialogue a chance. I don't know how an acceptable dialogue between the different rivaling Somali entities and groups can be initiated, but considering the scale of suffering prevalent in our lands, I believe that forsaking dialogue is no longer a wise thing to do. Can we start over again? At least between us here on these boards. PS: A comment from J.11, sleepless in London. Jamaal, this shows me that you are indeed a wise man. Shows also that your opposition is against Ethiopia and not necessarily against few shifty personalities in Somalia’s current political game. ps--I would’ve invited you for a coffee session with odey xiin at Dunn Bros but you are unfortunately away!

Ghanima, good to see you in the policts horta. Secondly, methikns landers are being a littel too sensetive when they demand such balancing act. There are many threads in this part of sol with defferent headings. This one was about a minor incedent that happened in Hargeysa. It was minor in the sense there were no lives lost and no arrests occured. But good Gediid got really defensive about it, and i thought he shouldn't...that's all!

^^Good sentiment there yaa MMA. But Bishaaro’s point does not really contradict what you wrote there. She did not question the principle of fighting Ethiopia. She did however question the strategy with which to achieve your objectives of ejecting Ethiopia’s occupying army out of Xamar. What we see today on the ground and the detached pronouncements coming out of Asmara do not fit together adeer. There are millions displaced, thousands killed, and thousands more maimed in the south. I, or Bishaaro for that matter, would be less concerned if Somalis equally share the cost of fighting Ethiopia and America and other Somalis to remove this misguided leadership and reclaim our republic. But the brunt of this burden yaa MMA is being taken today by one segment of Somali community in and around Xamar. The Baydhabo next door is peaceful. Hiiraan is largely peaceful. Puntland and Somaliland are largely peaceful. Kismayo is peaceful. I mean there is no sense of lets fight Ethiopia in the ereas I mentioned. They may be at each other’s throat but certainly not in a war footing with Ethiopia. Confronting those glaring facts, how could you object to any peace gesture is really beyond me? Is it out of pride, conviction, or you see it convenient to support or prolong this conflict till the resistance achieves tangible victories to boost their standing and it’s then that you would accept or heed calls for peace? I find the parallel drawn between the fight in ****** and the one in Somalia quite erroneous! The strategy there is to frustrate Ethiopia till she exhausts resource and stamina for her desire to hold onto that Somali land. The means is guerrilla warfare. Both the strategy and its means are working in my estimation. But in Somalia, we are utterly divided to even come up an agreed strategy to drive Ethiopia out of Somalia. Fighting Ethiopia in Xamar proved to be a very clausal mistake, both in terms of our national pride, and in terms of lives lost and properties destroyed with no tangible returns to show for it. In fact new refugee camps are being established in Ethiopia to commence speedy resettlement programs for our displaced. When you blindly support the continuation of a fight that you are undisputedly losing and oppose any hint of peace talks, you do defy reason adeer. Perhaps you are unwittingly falling into enemy’s plans to destroy what’s left Somalia and displace as many of her people in the name of security and stability. We should think a little deeper before we promptly obey the raw commands of our heart…we should be thinking with our heads, and not with our hearts!

lol@Sharmarke I can’t believe good Suldaan & JB are complaining about a mere poem… As for the poem itself, it’s gubaabo poem, which good Hiirad apparently composed to call his tol for the fight of Laascaano! Sharmarke, being the student of literature he is, should understand what type of poem this one is. I guess the subtitle of this threat is that war is a pending reality in that corner of our regions as long few misguided folks benefit from it…the irony is that many more who are clapping for these few risk to pay a heavy price.

Originally posted by Gediid: The truth is never rude,its hiding the truth that is rude and annoying.You see xiin what you and several folks in here are doing is looking for fish to fry and apparently the small fish is where you pour all your scorn on when as a principle you are supposed to pick on the bigger ones,like Abdillahi Yusuf and his likes who have given Ato Meles and his cohorts a free hand in Somali affairs.Somaliland is one of a few areas where Somalinimo weli sharaf ku leedayahay and instead of celebrating that you are quick to bash that with all your might.Somaliland isnt the problem,never has been and I doubt it will ever be but with all your mixed priorities you have made it your priority and that is what I was trying to highlight for you. ^^So any time I object to SL administration policies, you want me inaan ode Cabdulle arrimahiihsa wax ka iraahdo .

^^I don’t see any inconsistencies here adeer. This piece of news is about Somaliland, and all Baashi did was to provide some context with which to interpret and make sense of it. Namely that Somaliland is under the direct influence of Ethiopia’s current regime. Take note on that you’ve responded to what Baashi did not say, instead of commenting on what happened in Hargeysa. And that is the controversy here yaa Gediid! Truth is rude, and it’s in that manner it often intrudes…

Why yaa Redka?

^^I am not sure that analogy sticks in this context, especially if you meant to throw it at Faarax ! One would think that you’ve resorted to counter Baashi's fact sheet with a set of yours to burry your head in the sand yaa Gediid… This is old news! I mean knowing that Riyaale is part of Ethiopia’s team it shouldn’t surprise that he would do what ever he deems right to protect his relationship with Ethiopia. That’s what Cadde does. The same thing TFG is doing.

Northern my brother if you think Ethiopia controls only the south and Puntland you are a disappointment. Siilaanyo is a politician and in the system. He can’t escape from the reality that’s Ethiopia. Read today’s news below saaxiib! ================================================== Hargeysa (Somaliland.org) - Xukuumadda Somaliland ayaa amar ku siisay 23 suxufiyiin ah oo ka soo qaxay magaalada Muqdisho inay 24 saacadood dalka Somaliland. Suxufiyiintaas oo ka soo firdhaday dagaalada ka socda magaalada Muqdisho, waxa martigeliyey oo ku qaabiley Hargeysa ururka Suxufiyiinta Somaliland ee SOLJA oo ururrada caalamiga ah ee daneeya saxaafadda iyo xuquuqul Insaanka la socodsiiyey xaaladda suxufiyiintaas. Taliyaha Ciidanka Booliska Somaliland, Maxamed Saqadhi Dubbad oo saaka suxufiyiintaas ugu tegey guri ay deggan yihiin oo magaalada Hargeysa ayaa ku wargeliyey inay muddo 24 saacadood ah kaga baxaan dalka, isaga oo u sheegay in joogitaankoodu uu wax u dhimayo nabadgelyada iyo xasiloonida Somaliland. Taliyaha Booliska oo markii uu suxufiyiinta ugu tegey guriga ay deggan yihiin ay la socdeen masuuliyiinta ururka Suxufiyiinta ee SOLJA wuu ka gaabsaday inuu wax faahfaahin ah ka bixiyo dembiyada nabadgelyada wax u dhimaya ee weriyayaashu ku kaceen iyo sida joogitaankoodu u waxyeelaynayo nabadgelyada Somaliland. Hase yeeshee, Taliyaha Booliska, Maxamed Saqadhi, waxa uu BBC-da u sheegay in weriyayaashu ay faafiyeen arrimo ku lid ah Somaliland, isla markaana ay iska horkeenayaan Somaliland iyo waddamada deriska ah, isaga oo si gaar ah u xusay dowladda Itoobiya. Sida ay noo xaqiijiyeen masuuliyiinta ururka SOLJA, ciidamada Booliska, laanta Baadhista dembiyada oo maalmihii dabagal ku haysey suxufiyiintaas ayaa la xidhiidhay madaxda ururkaas, waxna ka weydiiyey suxufiyiinta reer Muqdisho ee maganta u ah. Waxayna CID-du u sheegtay madaxda ururka SOLJA inay yimaaddaan xarunta CID-da maanta, si ay uga warbixiyaan arrinta suxufiyiintaas. Hase yeeshee, saaka markii ay tageen xarunta CID-da ayaa taliyaha Booliska, Maxamed Saqadhi Dubbad, waxa uu ka dalbaday inay geeyaan guriga ay deggan yihiin suxufiyiintu, waxana u horkaceen guri suxufiyiintaas la dejiyey, halkaas oo uu suxufiyiinta ku siiyey amarka inay dalka ka baxaan. Amarkan Taliyaha Boolisku waxa uu soo baxay, kadib markii suxufiyiintaas ay maanta ugu tageen guriga ay deggan yihiin saraakiil ka socotey hay’adda Caalamiga ee Xuquuqul Insaanka ee Amnesty International, kuwaas oo xogwaraysi la yeeshay. Waxaana la filayaa in xukuumaddu ka baqday in suxufiyiintaasi ay siiyeen Amnesty International xogo ku lid ah dowladda Itoobiya oo lagu eedeeyo in ciidamadeedu ay geysteen xadgudubyo iyo tacaddiyo ka dhan ah xuquuqul Insaanka. Dhinaca kale, Taliyaha Ciidanka Booliska, Maxamed Saqadhi Dubbad ayaa lagu tilmaamaa inuu si gaar ah ugu xidhan yahay dowladda Itoobiya oo uu kala shaqeeyo dhinaca ammaanka wakhtigan iyo ka hor intii aan xilka loo magacaabinba. Dhinaca kale, Masuuliyiinta ururka Suxufiyiinta ee SOLJA ayaa ka gaabsaday inay wax war ah ka bixiyaan, iyaga oo rajeynaya in waanwaan arrinta lagu dhammeeyo.

CQadir Nur Farax (Gacmey)is the scholar i was refering to, Fahiye! He’s a great scholar by the way, and wise one at that. But in this particular lecture of his, his tone got in the way of what he was getting across to his audence, or that was the impresson i got! The lecturer (Sh. Ahmed Bile) who preceded Sh. Gacmey presented a list of what he called topics of dispute, in a scholarly fashion! Anyways this was a good presentation and it’s needed. i am still short of time. i will come and take some nomads to the task ...

What a provocative and timely discussion this is! Intellectually stimulating as well! Here is what these learned scholars had the courage to take on: the fiqh of ensuring the survival of Somalis to revive Somalia, the republic! I have listened both sessions. I found the first session incomplete, and somewhat accusatory in nature. The second session is really great. It says intaan la rimmanaa waayadan oo dhan! Jihad is a means. The goal is to win, and not necessarily to die and meet the shahaadah! You can’t fight the enemy when you are utterly divided and weak! It talks about the exodus, and the death and destruction Ethiopia exacted on Xamar. It suggests a more meaningful and encompassing strategy to face and overcome today’s challenges. Divided Somalia is no match to the resourceful enemy that’s Ethiopia---the chief conclusion of these lectures! Take the initiative and compromise. Realize your weak spots, and attempt to reasonably heal them! Promote unity. Understand division and what it really does; serves enemy’s purpose!Do jihad Al shacab and don’t sacrifice the cream of this dacwah in a war that they hardly understand who in reality are they fighting with, Ethiopia or America, or the world! I wish I had more time with this! Where’s my sheikh, sheikh Nur as suumaali? I will come back Inshaa Allah!

General L O Z, adiga marna ma tagtay show ga tuujiyye? Mise waad iska laaluushtay waxa? Wiilashaan adeerada u ahaa wax kan usoo baxa waayey. Waxaan maqli jirey adeerkay oo ku ducaysta allow wax naarta naga xigsada hannoo waayin ! Bishaaro reer magaal waaye labo berri wax masoo dhejinayso then markii threadka a few pages move gareeyo ay soo noqonnee acting like nothing really happened...blve me i know her plans !

^^Aan kaaga jawaabee si fiican ii dhegeyso adeer! 1- Dadka soomaali inay heshiiso diidan waxaa ka mid ah dadka raba inay xudduudihii gumeysiga dib noogu celiyyaan. waxay u badantahay inaysan iyyaga la ahayn inay dhib leedahay laakiin sida ay iyaga la tahay waxaa ka muhiimsan xaqiiqada jirta. Si dadban bay dadka noocaas ahi u sababayyaan in soomaali heshiin weydo marka ay la shir yimaadaan soomaliland baa jamhuuriyad ah oo xudduudo soo xiraysa! Waxaa la rabaa inaad fahamtid in soomaaliland aysan dal gaara ahayne eey uun qayb ka tahay dadkan dhibban ee 17 yrs ka dawlad la'aanta ahaa! 2- Marka dan siyaasadeed ay tahay in gobolkaagu badbaado oo aadan u qabin inaad somalia ba qayb ka tahay ee ay dalkale kuu tahay sida Jabbuuti oo kale, waxaa kuu bannaanaysaa inaadan dan iyo heello toona ka gelin dal dadkiisu is laayyeen oo ay intaa is dilayyaan un oo aad taada ka raacatto. Halkaas waxaad ku bannaysanaysaa (and that's essentaily Oodweyne's argument here in SOL) inay soomaaliland sidii dal xor ah ay ula xaajootto cidday rabto walow Ethiopia ba ha ahaattee, inta aysan danteeda ka hor immaan! 1 + 2 = wareer badan baa ku jira! Daawadu = maadaama aad Minneopolis degen tahay Xiin bun lasoo cab hal galab si aad u aragto the big picture! edit: waan kugu daalay Redow..the more i write the more aad sii fogaanayso waa inaan joojiyyaa doodda badan si aan ragga aad ku jirto aysan usii fogaan .

There are creatures from different galaxies in our midst. Observant, extremely attentive, and always on the ball, these creatures keep close eye on our activities. Their chief responsibility is to collect relevant data on how we live our life, and perpetually record it till we perish and depart from this world! Whether they are uniquely engineered to elude our senses and operate in utter secrecy in our presence is in the realm of unknowns. But that they exist is beyond doubt…at least for the believers! Now, on what grounds can one dispute the existence of these record keepers? That they can’t be proved because they can’t be physically touched? Forget about the dreams for now yaa Jamal1, for dreams are mere replays or previews of a reality that has already transpired or is about to transpire in the near future, respectively!