^^But in the same breath the man is hoping to replace the very people (Yey, and co.) whose supporters he harshly rebuked as far as their current relationship with Pentagon or Ethiopia is concern. He wants to be closer to the Intelligence community, as they call them, lest his service to them might win him some sort of recognition from them. And in that verse, he has no clothes really. Haku daalin, adeer! Welcome back brother!

Don’t flatter me good Bishaaro and Haneefah---although Somali literature is my intellectual hobby, I still fall way short in understanding the true meaning of some of it … This one though is, as you put it, a symbol of our current struggle, and depicts the quandary that surround Somalia today. If we substitute this allegorical lady with Somalia, the country, replace her desire for child-bearing and family with our journey to achieve independence, swap her short-lived celebration for her delivery of her much awaited son with our lively party in 1960’s for the birth of our state, and substitute her sudden and reckless loss of her only son with our civil wars, the parallel, the analogy becomes much clearer for even the commoners amongst us to appreciate, and understand. Needlessly to say her resolve to get back her vanished son with all the inadequacy and natural shortfalls, is quite analogous to our quest to revive Somalia though its tragedy refuse to go away. It’s indeed Hadrawi literary genius to compose such powerful verses to eulogize the state of what then was Barre’s military regime and how it went about deepening our crises!

^^You are being a bit too excited about this…we shall wait and see.

Gediid, in the oponion of the wise, you should quit this thread ,for you are not making sense here--- a characterization that does not fit you in these boards. If you don’t like Sayidka it’s fine. But you should at least know when to reserve your anger or, if you can’t resist the manner in which history elevated that hero of ours, then put forth a good argument… I gather you found some interest in my cyber nick, xiinfaniin, while you sport a nick like Gediid (last time I checked the only significance this name has in Somali history is that it serves as pronoun for particular sub-clans)! Xiinfaniin was a strong stout and a means for a great cause, and not the lame steed sort, yaa Gediid! In the words of the Master himself; Niman yahow af laba daanleh baan muranka deyneyne Danbi niman ka gelin baa nafluhu daba galaayaaye'e...

^^^Yes this lady was used as a metaphor for Somalia’s political ills then. Alas it does apply today as it did yesterday. She was tall and lofty. Her strong physical build seemed to deny her the femininity her equals enjoyed. The position of her only eye represented a bigger ailment for here than the mere emotional fear the shape of her body posed---it was located at the top of her head. She always wanted to marry and raise her own family. She treasures children quite affectionately. Given her physical appearances, character and attitude, though, the chances of her finding a man to marry her was very slim. Wuxu yidhi " degmadayada Waxa jira Duleedow Habar doobir kululoo Dhererkana Dijaal le'eg Dadabkiyo ballaadhkana Dhirta daray ka xoog weyn Dhakadana il dooftoon Dawo Karin ku leedahay Mar inay wax dihatoo Ubad daaddahaysay Si kastaba u doontoo Markay ciil dellegantee Toddobaatan dayrood Dedan iyo si daalacan Nafta damac u gelisee Baryadii ka daashaa Rabbi deeqsi weeyee Ducadeedi ka aqbalay" She importunes Allah. Allah bestows His mercy on her and allows her to attain the desire of her heart. She gives to birth a mysterious baby boy! Upon hearing his cries, and without even examining his health or feeling or touching him, she spontaneously commences to recite celebratory poems, steps out and dances. Sadly her festivity abruptly ends as the baby itself leaves the scene, vanishes in the darkness of the night. He is gone with no traces. Ironically it’s the very blessings bestowed on her that which would pose the greatest challenge to her. And there, she slips into melancholy and begins her long search to find a baby she has never seen. Da'baa wiil gurracanoo Falanoo derderanoo Denbi iyo xasarad badan Curad guri danbaysana ah Dirqi iyo si fool adag Hoosteeda laga deyey" Iyadoo ha dagantii Digta qalabka reenka leh Kaga dannaninaysoo Demman guulaheedii U dabbaal degeysaa Suul-Cayn durduriyoo Dubur buu ka xulay Hawd " Damdamtiyo ciilkii Dib waxaan u dhici Karin Duqdu sow khalaawaha Wax kastaba iskuma deyin Dulucana umay xidhan Kolba daw shixnadan bay Sanqadhaha docdeeda ah Hadba ruux la duushaa Markay dayma bogashada Weji dadabka quusta ah Isha daawisiisay Qofkaan duud carrale noqon Daad xoor ku tuurtaa " But how could she possibly find him? And how could she effective with a one dislocated eye? Surely, and as expected, her efforts are lost in vain, and in her long quest to find Suul-Cayn her vanished son, many cubs of sorrow, as it were, bite into her soul! But she refuses to quit…. As for the verses you chose,after consulting with my mentor, here are thier meanings: Iyadoo ha dagantii --> iyadoo ducadii [ha dagmin] Digta qalabka reenka leh ->> garaacidaa qalabka ciya [sida durbaanka ] Kaga dannaninaysoo ->> kaga dhawaajinaysa [yacni dabaaldegeysa] Demman guulaheedii -->>warmoog, guulaheedii U dabbaal degeysaa Suul-Cayn durduriyoo Dubur buu ka xulay Hawd ->> Dubur, there is spelling error in there, Dubur is supposed to read, Duur [jiqda, duurka] .

Originally posted by Nephthys: Sheekadii qofta madaxa hasha il ku lahayd maad noo sheegtid? LOL . ^^^For you, yaa Bishaaro! Wuxu yidhi " degmadayada Waxa jira Duleedow Habar doobir kululoo Dhererkana Dijaal le'eg Dadabkiyo ballaadhkana Dhirta daray ka xoog weyn Dhakadana il dooftoon Dawo Karin ku leedahay Mar inay wax dihatoo Ubad daaddahaysay Si kastaba u doontoo Markay ciil dellegantee Toddobaatan dayrood Dedan iyo si daalacan Nafta damac u gelisee Baryadii ka daashaa Rabbi deeqsi weeyee Ducadeedi ka aqbalay" Da'baa wiil gurracanoo Falanoo derderanoo Denbi iyo xasarad badan Curad guri danbaysana ah Dirqi iyo si fool adag Hoosteeda laga deyey" Iyadoo ha dagantii Digta qalabka reenka leh Kaga dannaninaysoo Demman guulaheedii U dabbaal degeysaa Suul-Cayn durduriyoo Dubur buu ka xulay Hawd " Damdamtiyo ciilkii Dib waxaan u dhici Karin Duqdu sow khalaawaha Wax kastaba iskuma deyin Dulucana umay xidhan Kolba daw shixnadan bay Sanqadhaha docdeeda ah Hadba ruux la duushaa Markay dayma bogashada Weji dadabka quusta ah Isha daawisiisay Qofkaan duud carrale noqon Daad xoor ku tuurtaa " llaa maalintii dura Sidii bay Duleedow Xaajadu dudduuc iyo Deji iyo dul gee tahay Ereyadda qaarkood: ================= 1-il dooftoon = il jirran oo daaf ku dhacay. 2-duud carrale = dhabarka ciid ku leh ps-- in Sharmarke's absence, i will try to help out so let me if you encounter any problems in comperhending this poem... pps--courtesy is due to the great poet of our century, Hadrawi!

^^To paraphrase Al Hamdani’s famous line, one would not blame you for the weakness of your argument, if one is sufficiently assured that you are the hired pen of the secessionist society here in SOL. Why else would you dwell in lofty pretensions in your pose to appear as a man who has gotten political revelations of sort and be didactic about America’s foreign policy-making maneuverings and how it might produce favorable outcome as far as your little enclave’s independence aspirations are concern? Speaking of the national interest of America, the south, which as you know, is more populous, and more richer in resource, and with no diplomatic obstructs at all, has been in shambles for nearly two decades, and America has shown a little interest if any in wanting to help this strategic real state situated of course at international sea paths, stand its own feet and return its collapsed authority to a functioning state again. Why then Somaliland, and not the south? What does Somaliland offer that the south does not? If America opted to have the whole pie as far as Iraq is concern, what satisfies her in settling for a tiny portion out of the bigger Somali pie, and Northern one at that yaa Oodka? You see, I can continue undressing your argument but I don’t want to gain your anger . I know when you get angry with me you would remind me the weakness of my clan and how defeated they are. You would remind me the ease in which the Laascaano city fell in your army’s hands. And although my uncles tell me, their army being mobilized to guard the golden egg and the goose that laid it, that they are shorthanded, citing of course that when the big Cat’s away the mice tend to play, yet I don’t buy their argument. Having advanced the ball well into their courts, I have no choice but to take your word for wanting to fight to the end and settle this thing once and for all. So you see I am being careful here…balancing things! But i am sure i gave enough signposts for which to look at for directions...

^^So you have northern roots...

Originally posted by -: ^^Maybe he offed his granpa My great-grandfather was also one of Sayid’s victims, one reason why my grandfather ran all the way to the South for safety. But that’s irrelevant when evaluating the larger historical significance of Sayid Mohamed. The man is legendry in the sense he was able to see British presence of Somalia for what it was, and not a temporary arrangements as some misguided elders thought. Gediid though has not furnashied any reasoning for his cheap panter...so lets wait!

Cuqdad yuurarta is what you are risking to become if you dwell on this tpye of negativity Gediidow... Hate or love him, Sayidka was a consequencial leader whose struggle against the british rule has been widely acknoledged...

^^you did not get it! Landers are riding on a car,and not on a boat. Their car is running with a full tank, and heading East. Last stop it made was at Laaska... It may stop a village near you ...

Deggane Maxamedow waxaynu nahay, ul iyo diirkeede Dadka kale ha joogee adaan, iga digtoonayne Raggiinii dariiqada ka yimid, durug warkiisiiye Dunjigiisba waan wada jeclaa, degaha Reer Nuure Wixii duub leh deris baanu nahay, iyo Daraawiishe Sayid Maxamed dooduu i yidhi iyo daabbada uu keenay Waa ii soo duceeyaye Allow darejadiis raaji Muslin oo dhan baa diiq ku jirey, jeeruu daahiraye Awliyada duushuu carshiga, kula dekeeyaaye Ninba wuxuu debnaha ugu hayiyo daarka iyo laabta Daniguu gartaa waxa qalbiga, kaga dahsoonaaye [istaq furulaah!] Kun halaad nin subax soo didshoo duul u yimid siiyey Oo aanay duntaa iyo la noqon dibi la loogaayo Nin la diini kama soo if bixin, duniyadeenneere Dirir Ferenji baa ugu badnaa, dab iyo baaruude Isagiiba dabaq buu ku riday, duhur dharaareede Dabar iyo hogaan buu ku xidhay, duluflahoodiiye

Safar kheyr inshaa allaah. ha fogaan sharmaarkow, waa intaas oon suugaanteennii camiranaayye'e...

^^The pic would be even more reflective on Somalia’s reality if good Ammiin had shown Cadde peaking from the other shoe…

^^Pentagon may drive America’s covert policy in the horn but it’s State Department’s function to articulate overt policies toward any continent, region, country, or in your case toward a recovery zone in a failed state. You should not spill any more ink on this adeer for America’s stances are very clear on this, and you know it. If however it’s the sheer fact that America’s top media outlet published an article in which it reported, quoting of course from unnamed sources, that intelligence community and some pentagon thinkers are leaning to do some policy shifts in the horn by which Somaliland would be ascribed some political and regional significance, if that’s what you are excited about, then it’s fair to say that it’s you, good Oodweyne, who, after years of sleeping on Ethiopia’s covert policy of recognizing you one day after God knows what, and feeding the unsuspecting masses that crude lie of a looming independence, is still hanging on to weak political robes. Ponder on this adeer: America has failed to change the reality of colonial borders when it so desired and wanted. Her failures are manifested in South Sudan and Iraqi’s Kurdistan. Both have put forth a stronger argument than you could ever muster: religion and ethnicity, respectively. For south Sudan, there were presidential envoys, interested congressional committees, and motivated interest groups who worked so hard to accomplish some sort of independence for that supposedly oppressed region by, supposedly, fundamentalist government of Sudan. In Kurdistan, which is in a failed state mind you, you have had neoconservative intellectuals, and top opinion makers of this country who preached the plight of Kurdistan, the oppressed non-Arab communities of Iraq. You can’t win independence by mere shouts or presentation of fancy dreams in the form of well-composed articles! It’s obvious that Somaliland has a long way to go before such a proposition could be entertained by any regional leaders, let alone the wish of the sole superpower hazarding the exercise of what essentially is akin to wallowing the mud of dismembering of a poor Muslim nation, and a African one at that. Lets debate the would be SL cabinet in SOL and stop dreaming too hard on these phantom things yaa Oodka. It was tempting to respond .

lool@Bishaaro... Maxay balo usoo joogtey

the O is a nation adeer, and not clan. One way to feel home is mary from them, in that case you would be marying up. Seriously Caamir, This clan sentiment you cite is irrelevant in this struggle. I am yet to see other clans in that region fighting the good fight. And that’s quite telling.

^^Jaajaale=xikmad-yare Recommendation = qal-qaalin [iga/ii qal-qaali managerka] Cultivation =bacrimin Infrastructure=kaabe [kaabayaasha dhaqaalaha] Discovery=[daah-fur]

ONLF is an asset.

Caamir, yeah except the H would then be derivative of sort.Unless of course you find relics of Ina Ali Shire …and find in it the Burji that once was. Alla jb nabadgee, waxan ka baqayyaa inaa intuu sii soo recognition buufis ku dhaco...

I think SL will soon be recognised with JB as her information minister, Oodweyne as her defense chief, Northern as her religion and fatwas minister, Gediid as her foriegn minister, and Ghanima as her women affaris minister. Red sea and NGONGE will be rewarded with ambassadorial posts. I have the sense that Suldan and Qudhac will have some positons when this new nation finnaly gets recognition, and that's when good Caamir runs for his life...

^^Samatar rocks, and you know it ! Seriously though, I had a prior engagements conflicting with the timing of the conference! But it was great and went very well, that much i could tell.

To encourage Jimcaale iyo Raggiisa, i would suggest that you buy one of these electronic dictionaries.It's about $45 in Nariobi...send the money to your relatives so they can buy it.

Ar meeshaan waa lagu ba'ay. dadka Jimcaale iyo Northern baa ugu liita. Allow yaa yiraahda afsoomaliga iga barta intaanan sol ka tegin!

^^Do you not see the shame of hesitation in that stance of yours ! Embrace diplomacy, fully and whole-heartedly, adeer, just like good Jamal did, i say! Good read.