Haddii malag dhawaaqo miidaami dhego ma leh!

lol@xiin beryahan ash maahan. Haneefa caadi ma tihid wallaahi,caadi aa iigu dhammeysay! Bas. Khalaas.

Allah the TOL hiil insinuation ! Kashafa, Serenity, and Labo X if you truly believe what you are implying here you should quit SOL! After all it's unwise to continue submitting your complaints to what you percieve as a clannish editorial! This is getting pathetic, really!

General Duke, you and good Jacybaro should start resolving this incident first before the grand reconciliation commenses... ------------------------------------------------ War Degdega:-Dablay Hubeysan Oo Afar Nin Oo Reer Somaliland ah iyo Baabuurkii Ay Wateen Ku Qafaashay Deegaanka Buuhoodle ee Gobolka Togdheer. hadhwanaag 2008-01-24 (Hadhwanaagnews) Buuhoodle(HWN):-Afar nin oo reer Somaliland iyo Baabuurkii ay wateen ayaa maanta Koox dabley ahi ku qafaalatay iyaga oo marayey tuulada Saarar-weyn oo qiyaas ahaan 5km ka xigta dhinaca koonfureed magaalada Buuhoodle ee Gobolka Togdheer. Sida Shabakada Wararka ee Hadhwanaagnews.com waxa Caawa ku xaqiijiyey dad ku sugan Magaalada Buuhood oo aanu khadka Mobile-ka gacanta kula xidhiidhnay Afarta nin oo u dhashay Deegaanka Hargeysa waxay kala ahaayeen 1-Rabiic Cabdi Xirsi, 2-Axmed Aadan Cali (Weris), 3-C/raxmaan Cumar Cali, 4-Cabdi Maxamed Cumar Guuleed Gadhigan ay ragan la qafaashay wateen oo ahaa kuwa xamuulka ayaa la sheegay inuu ku socday Magaalada Gaalkacayo isaga oo ka yimi dhinaca dalka Ethiopia a. Afartan iyo Baabuurkii ay wateen ee la qafaashay ayaa la sheegay inay ku lug leedahay oo loo aanaynayo madax furasho maxaabiistii dhawaan lagu qabtay dagaalkii ka dhacay tuulada Dhabanasaar ee dhexmaray Ciidanka qaranka Somaliland iyo malleeshiyada Maamulka Puntland Sida ay tibaaxayaan Wararkii ugu danbeeyey ee la xidhiidha qafaalashada afarta nin iyo Baabuurkii ay Wateen inay kooxda dableyda ahi ay ku hayaan meel aan sidaa uga sii fogeyn Magaalada Buuhood.

Because Allah made me one, and I am perfectly happy with the spiritual direction, the life style, and the philosophical worldview being Muslim entails… Ps—I have not consulted with my bad impulse when I wrote the above sentence.

^^Geeljire, you made progress there. You can call whatever you like but Somalis must sit down and discuss about where to go from here. Ethiopia ha baxdo is a beautiful slogan. But practically as long Somalis are divided Ethiopia will have an unparallel influence on our affairs. The way to challenge her is not to just fight and die rather the means of defeating Ethiopia, at least symbolically, is to negotiate and ultimately reconcile our differences. The choices for Somalis are distinctly clear: 1- fight unprepared, lose, flee and seek better life in distance lands 2- wise up, understand the root cause of your enemy’s triumph, compromise to each other, and reconcile your differences. Then… Now I am not sure if this African Union road map has the stamina behind it to succeed. I am inclined to say it would not work. Adeer somalida aan anigu arkay dagaal ma yaqaanaan, dawladna ma yaqaanaan, waana dad in la caymiyo u baahan. Our ills are many laakiin waxba waxbay dhammaannee bal dadka yaan la qaxin oo cadowga raba inuu dalkooda dhaxlo lasiinin all the reasons to exact death and destruction on the innocent masses. And in that verse, and by any angle you look at, Baashi's call for reconciliation (a noble impulse in its own merit) is impregnable. There has to be an element of honest here. Ayoub , Kismayo (as painful as its current experience is) is a minor issue in comparison to the big picture that’s failed Somalia. Criminal gangs that hold it do so not because they hate certain groups but because that’s the only way they came to know during civil war years to survive. The reconciliation we are talking about here would have far greater impact on Somalia as a whole not only on Kismayo. If it succeeds it would do away Ethiopian presence in the south, it would bring your region into the fold, and it would create an environment where individual clans would not find necessary to organize their own militia to defend their perceived clannish interest!

lol@Positive. Brother you and A&A said it all. I would indict Qabyaalad, and not qabiil per se though. No one has control over which qabiil they born into but everyone do have full control over how (Qabyaalad) he/she views the significance of belonging qabiil hebel. Islam is the enemy of Qabayaalad. Living in urbane and diverse life where you constantly deal with people from different backgrounds can also tame the effect of this qabyaalad thing. I cant agree more on the notion that Somalis have been transgressing on each other far too long and it’s about time we repent it from it.

Good progress there! Congrats to the sister and her team!

Positive and A&A, good exchanges.

^^Fadhi-ku-dirir, what are you trying to say brother? Reconciliation is the key to solving the Somali tragedy. No one said it’s easy. No one said it could be achieved on the cheap. In fact it’s going to be a very difficult process, and it will require sacrifices.

Originally posted by Juje: Yes, if they start with the first step and get it right. Juje said it all!

1-strengthening the fractured nation's political process through reconciliation, 2- greater international involvement in peacekeeping operations, 3-creating a safe environment for humanitarian aid deliveries, 4- building the capacity of federal government institutions to face the immense challenges ahead. Could it work? Hiiraan Online

Idinkoo kuwee ah? This is how the man is raggeedii: Su’aal: Mr. President, how do you rate your success in your trip to America in the face of State Department’s press release? Jawaab: War annagu markii horeba aqoonsi maanan doonan! Aqoonsigu wuu iska immaan doonaa

^^Your # five bullet is considerably lame. It should read as follows: 5-I raise germane arguments, and the reasons I provide to back it have solid basis. I expect those challenging my arguments to be serious in their line of reasoning. Listen to what I have to say on this issue. Seldom do the ones who listen or read my arguments feel disappointed in the fashion, and the wisdom I sprinkle,during my debate sessions ! Your motto: I sprinkle wisdom to rinse the mud my counterparts sling!

Riyaale waa raggeedii...

Originally posted by Zafir: PS: Ilaahey J.lee ha kuugu simo! ^^Aamiin! I am sure it would be a good trade from her part, and a good investment from his. Not to mention it would be the first SOL family that we (I) know of! ps--who's this Isseh guy? al though manly man need no guidlines (they make them mind you) still this nomad sounds creative.

Kashafa , my good brother anger and conviction in others wrongness are not enough reasons for me to support this ku-dhufoo-ka-dhaqaq strategy with utter disregard of what the enemy will do next to the innocent civilians in whose midst this war is waged! I would rather have bombers deployed in Addis (it may take few months to plan) than engage in a strategy that gives the enemy enough of my own civilians to avenge for its dead! Unwittingly you are participating in what seems to me a campaign to displace Mogadishu population. With the zeal you display here, I some times question what end goal you are after brother. How in the world could you object to some type of peace deal today given the situation we are in? Because of your pride? Is that it yaa Kashafa? Or because you think this strategy will defeat America, Ethiopia, and tfg militias all combined? If latter, how so? If Mogadishu is destroyed, and its residents made run for their lives--it is emptied, even if Ethiopians withdraw to their borders with all their political influence on other Somali regions intact, would you feel good then if insurgents come out, celebrate, and claim a victory in empty city that would be Mogadishu? How do you define winning?

Originally posted by Northerner: Some would treat this as bad news. Some would continue the 'stop and negotiate line' and some would rejoice. More rejoicing IA I sensed I cheap dig there yaa N! What are you celebrating for brother! 7 Ethio soldiers died but 3 folds of that of your people perished and many more got injured! If you think this strategy would work why do I not see you advocating it in your little corner? Ethiopian cargos can be easily intercepted en rout from Berbera, no? Please don’t let your opposition against certain warlords cloud your rational thinking.

^^I got the misunderstanding part bro! Don’t waste your time rationalizing why alshabaabs or those in Xamar fight against Ethiopia---it does not need one! Instead address my assertion that such a fight can hardly yield any success toward resolving the bigger issues that plague Somalis and Somalia today! Nur, in a bid to answer your first question, I would say our problems emanate from a poor leadership. That in turn leads to unnecessary divisions and deepens our differences. That in turn makes easy for our enemies to exploit us and take advantage of our weakness. And there you can see the waterfall effect of this leadership anomaly Somalis suffer. This crisis of leadership is why promising and seemingly flawless entities like the Islamic Courts fail. It’s why Somalis are able to talk and deal with Ethiopia and with Pentagon but cant deal with each other. It’s why we are where we are today! I believe gradually finding a way to fix what these bad leaders did is the first step of reforming our selves, and subsequently better our situation. We can discuss how that reform can come about but firstly let us agree or disagree for that matter on whether my diagnosis of the Somali problem is the correct one. Notice that I did not attribute our downfall to the obvious external influences coming from far and near. Take it from there and let’s stay with your first point of defining what our problem is!

He thinks the Somali conflict could be resolved through dialog

Originally posted by GJ_Goate: This(resistance) isn't a means to ressurecting the SOmali state , reconciling all Somalis or making all them love each other , but it is a neccesity and command by Allah swt for those in that region that have any human dignity. Geeljire, I missed this bit! It's clear now that our goals diverge widely! Please disregard any thing i said above and explain to me how you believe that this narrow goal of resisting the enemy in a specific areas while giving away other regions or dont care about them will yield success?

Nurow, iska sug anaa qasi doonnee, i am gonna tickle you on this as well !

Originally posted by Nur: 1. What is the Nature of the Problem at hand? 2. What is the ultimate goal to be reached? 3. How to get there? 4. What is the break down of activities that will lead us to that ultimate goal. Good order yaa Nur! I am bussy these days but I shall find a time to continue this with you yaa Nur. Originally posted by GJ_Goate: I'm not downplaying reconciliation. I am only asking those that constantly advocate it to tell us/me how, where, who and when the reconciliation will work? you are asking how to reconcile somalis, where, with whom, and when! how: through compromise where: does not matter. with whom: between all parties, Courts, alshabaab, tfg, SL, between clans! when: right now! I mean you have to accept in principle that talking to each other and to your enemy is a strategy that some times works. You will have to try it to find out! As for those who are actually in the battle fields of Xamar no one blames them for trying to defend themselves. Adeer you cant put the burden of finding an alternative on me. I am at least conceding that this war is not working and is causing more harm than benefit in my opinion. I try to read between the lines of your piece and all the justifications you managed to muster seem to be hinging on pride and self-defense. This is about Somalia adeer. It’s not about individuals or communities and how they pride themselves. I would not waste my time if I felt otherwise. I am still avoiding your misquotes of the Qur’an and your attempt to apply the narrative of banii Israel that happened in a much different context to the Somali conflict. Adeer Somalis are all Muslims. Their fight and division are political in nature. The clan chiefs you referred to are all Muslims to me! And with all sincerity and truthfulness even those in the tfg are Muslims to me. Granted that there is an Ethiopian component to our conflict but the fight in Xamar is not between Ethiopians and Somalis ONLY. There would not be any argument if that were the case. I wish that was the case brother but it’s not! Akhiiran, Geeljirow, the rape of a Muslimah is a criminal act, and is indeed quite significant in my Islamic consciousness. When an Ethiopian soldier does that act in Xamar it does indeed overflow, as Liqaye would say, our cup of shame! In reality though it does not matter who does the act adeer; there are thousands of good Muslims who still bear the scars of rape by fellow Somalis. Citing this act as a reason to continue this fight is not a credible argument. You are commenting on the edges of this conflict when you cite examples like that yaa camel boy… Kashafa, I appreciate if you participate in this discussion with proper vocabs ; mamnuuc cindii are the words like dabadhilifs this and dabodhilif that…it only shows how angry you are with the painful occupation that has took place in our country. I know you are angry. Wax kale ma haysaa adeer?

Nur, I am bordering disappointment in you! To me, you were the sheikh with the profitable sayings and thus far you’ve yielded no gems! You can’t with all seriousness gloss our clausal failure with a theological gloom! Your approach is not that much different than brother Geeljire’s; both of you seem to be suggesting that fighting Ethiopia in southern theatre is the only viable strategy to achieve the restoration of Somalia. You both seem to be dismissing the notion of reconciliation as untimely and downplaying the role of our divisions played and continue to play in our downfall. Why? I have depicted what I consider Somalia’s current depressing reality. Idealism and emotions aside, Somalis are no position to fight, or sustain any meaningful fighting with the level of disunity and lack of military and diplomatic support that exist. When you are weak and feeble like we are there are two great prophetic approaches to adopt and benefit. The first one is the one I mentioned in my earlier piece. The Mecca approach! The strategy of being modest in your approaches and staying under the radar of the enemy, stealthily building both your spiritual and material capacity, and demonstrating the ability to choose your battles and refusing to be drawn in conflicts that you have no capacity to fight! The other is the sum of Muhammad’s (scw)political, military, and spiritual leadership. The Medina approach! It was there where he thought us the power of positive thinking, the diplomatic skills to create and establish alliances, and enter military pacts with pagans and Jews in an effort to safeguard and defend his jurisdiction of yathrib, and above all it was in that period in which the Messenger of Allah demonstrated the ability to make difficulty decisions and signed the Hudaybia agreement with a pagan Quraysh! Which one is the fighting sahwah adopting yaa Nur? And if those fighting in the actual fight couldn’t see the big picture as the surrounding difficult environment might not allow them to see, what is that prevents us who are in their comforts in the west realize what these young shabaabs are facing! What does defeating Ethiopia in Xamar, in the big scheme of things, mean if American aircraft-carrying ships are docked on our beaches? When I ask these questions I am not looking for an easy answers or implying that there are quick solutions to our problems. What I want instead yaa sheikh Nur is to abandon this popular group thinking approach of supporting this fight while in reality few could articulate comprehensive strategy to address our mess and point to a way out of it. We have been there before where shabaaabs fought very hard in narrow theatres of wars and in the end ended up looking very naïve in hindsight. We all hoped and thought this would be different since men with great experience were in the helm of Court’s leadership. Now since a complete picture of the primary drivers of last year’s invasion emerged, and since we perfectly understand the context in which this war was waged and still being waged, must it not be imperative to genuinely explore other ways to save this tired shacab yaa sheikh? Geeljire, I see no promises in alshabaab’s strategy in Xamar. These shabaabs are after shahaadah, they don’t care if they win or lose. To me shahaadah is not a goal unto itself, it’s a means! That‘s what I was taught anyways. I would love to see a united Somalis fighting Ethiopia and destroying it. Unfortunately, at this juncture of our history, I don’t see that happening anytime soon. A good strategy must seek unity both territorial and people, and plan to build capacity to challenge this mad state in our neighborhood! To get there we must first reconcile our differences and compromise to each other. I am a realist saaxiib, and I deeply value the lives lost in Mogadishu. Any time people flee from their homes it pains me. It happened to me; we were forced to flee from Xamar, and we left everything we owned in it behind, and we were forced from Kismayo and we left everything we owned in it behind. I understand what war is---it’s not fun. If you are not well equipped to fight it you better not play with the lives of your own people and you must know when to change strategies. So yes I am for peace and reconciliation. I don’t care under where it happens as long it’s genuine and comprehensive. I see divisions and differences that are being exploited and deepened in Somali people. I can clearly see the political gaps between Hargeysa, Boosaaso, and Xamar! The wadaads are not even in the same page on this; they have been having their debates and airing their different takes on our situation. If you are for war however I can’t reproach you for I too once thought we could pull this one and succeed. Now that I am in doubt you must articulate how a war fought in certain sections of Xamar could succeed even if won to restore the Somali state! ps For those still latching on to the title of this thread and asking questions about shariicah in that spirit, I must inform you that this thread has been officially hijacked!

Aduun iyo aakhiro, what's up with this forcing thing you're emphasizing ? Shariicah has nothing to do with force!