^^^Waryaa A&T hadiyyad baan ku wadaa ee iga hoo;

This is another good news brother Toure. Cadaani oo taageray shirka 25 May 25, 2008 - 7:37:46 AM Maalgeliyihii Maxkamadihii Islaamiga ahaa Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan oo haanta ku sugan dalka Jabuuti ayaa shaaciyay inuu taageersan yahay shirka Jabuuti ee u dhexeeya DF iyo mucaaradkeeda. Ganacsade Abuukar Cumar Caddaan oo ku socda gaariga curyaamiinta ayaa daboolka ka qaaday in dadaallada nabadeed ee ka socda Jabuuti ay yihiin kuwo in la soo dhaweeyo mudan, isla markaana uu isagu taageerayo. "Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed, waa mas'uul ummadda Somaliyeed danaheeda ka talinaya,wuxuuna dadaal ugu jiraan sidii loo dhameyn lahaa khilaafaadyada ragaadiyay Somalia sida dagaallada iyo kala fikir duwanaashaha" ayuu yiri Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan. Abukar Caddan, wuxuu gashaanka ku dhuftay jiritaanka warar dhawaanahaan ay faafhiyeen warbaahinta Somalida qaarkeed; kuwaasoo sheegayay in Xaaji Abuukar iyo Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed uu soo dhexgalay khilaaf aad u xooggan. "Aniga iyo Sheekh Shariif ma jiro khilaaf noo dhexeya, weligenna iskuma qaban arrin, waayo Sheekh Shariif waa nin ehlu diin ah oo aan jeclayn in qof Soomaali ah uu ka sheegto ama uu dhibo" ayuu yiri Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan oo ahaa ganacsadihii maalgeliyay Maxkamadaha; isagoo intaas ku daray: "Sheekh Shariif waa ruux baal dahab ah ka galay taariikhda Somalida, waana ruux ay Somali oo dhan isha ku hayso". Sidoo kale Ganacsade Abukar Caddaan, wuxuu daboolka ka qaaday inaysan jirin dhexdhexaadin uu ka dhex sameeyay Sheekh Shariif Sh. Axmed iyo Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aweys oo ka tirsan Isbahaysiga Asmara, iyadoo wararkaas ay baahiyeen sida uu sheegay Xaaji Abuukar Cadaan warbaahinta Somalida qaarkeed. "Ma jiro dhexdhexaadin aan ka sameeyay Isbahaysiga Asmara xubnahooda sarsare ee is qabqabsiga uu u dhexeeyo, waayo anigu ma ihi xubin ka tirsan Isbahaysiga mana ogeyn khilaafka mas'uuliyiinta ururkaas halka uu ka billowday" ayuu yiri mar kale Ganacsade Abuukar Cumar Caddaan. Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan oo ah ganacsade si weyn looga yaqaan Somalia ayaa ku sugan dalka Jabuuti, isagoo halkaas dagay markii ay sii daayeen ciidamada Kenyan ah oo ka qabtay xadka dalkaas 2007, markaasoo la saaray Maxkamad laguna waayay eedeyntii loo haystay oo ahayd inuu ka tirsan yahay Maxkamadaha Islaamiga ah. Garowe Online, Muqdisho

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Abtigiis & Tolka , it seems to me that gabay is not your forte adeer, ee maad iska daysid hadaba? Ayoub, my argument 3 years ago with OLOL, a Xamar warlord rep (who thought properties he took or his warlords took from innocent folks during the civil war were permanently taken, and no government will ever be able to exact justice toward that issue)was sound. It was sound 3 years ago when the only alternative in Somali politics was tfg, it was sound when the Courts emerged in Xamar, and it's sound now after last years conflict. OLOL had a very disturbing views. Expellees like Xiin, he thought, will have no place in Somali politics and should happily accept whatever is granted to them. I am sure you share OLOL’s views! Not sure though if you ever admit that on this pages. You reminded me poet Cukaash's lines; Gefka Farax shire baa tolkay gacalo moodaaye'e Jinku wuxuu galaa meel insigu gooyey waa hore'e I see no need to defend my sincerity, but since you took the time to dig in SOL's database in your attempt to find something that proves Xiin had contradictory stances, I felt the need to put things in context. And after I will have done that, what you did, good Ayoub, will help emerge a more consistent picture of my stances. I supported tfg ----I don’t know how many people in SOL did support it then for the same reasons I did--- not because it was what I wanted for Somalia, but it was what Somali political actors and International community produced for Somalia. I opposed those who opposed it then in their effort to continue the status qou. I reluctantly supported foreign troops to come in and help the country transition. Those were the facts adeer. They were my positions and I actively advocated for those positions with the exception of foreign troops (I said I was very reluctant). When the courts emerged and the status quo in Xamar has changed and the warlords were defeated, I celebrated with my people in Xamar, and I was very harsh on the tfg for not recognizing the opportunity that presented it self for them to revive Somalia and govern it. I hoped the two could actually strike a political arrangement that’s palatable for both sides. Every time they met, I prayed for their talks to succeed. Finally when it seemed that the Courts and TFG are fated to clash, I sided with the Courts, not because I believed they will win and rule Somalia, but I sided with them out of a conviction that they will at least be able to hold the South and had the people with them. I trusted that they will avoid war and had a sound strategy if it became inevitable. When the war broke out, although I would have liked them to avoid it, I supported and prayed they will win. Those were all inline with my desire to see Somalia emerge from the prolonged civil war. It turned out that Uncle Sam and the powers that be exploited Courts weakness and deliberately wanted a war to break out so they can bring Ethiopia in and crush Islamic movement, and with it the little hope that Somalis had. The result, as we all know, was a humanitarian calamity. Thousands dead. Tens of thousands wounded. Millions forced to flee. Ethiopian influence deepened, and more entrenched than it was before Courts emergence. Confronted with such painful facts, and knowing what I know about Ethiopia and its relationship with the west, I concluded until Somalis agree on to something, the chance of rolling back Ethiopia’s influence in general, and her occupation in the south in particular is very slim. I advocated for unconditional talks between the two primary actors in Somali politics. If Somalia were to be rescued from her fall, Courts and TFG must meet and talk with no preconditions. If these two agree and reach some political arrangement, the rest of Somali dispute would be that much easier to address including of course your little holy cow, Somaliland. Fortunately, leaders in the highest positions of the toppled Courts came to the same conclusion like I did. Today I can see the wheels of progress toward a peaceful settlement are starting to roll albeit ever slowly. I like it. I think it’s good for Somalia. I think it’s bad for Ethiopia. If Somalis agree on something, I think it will be strategic defeat for Ethiopia. For in the final analysis, it was our division that gave Ethiopia the upper hand and allowed her to exploit our weakness in the fullest limit. I welcome, nay rejoice, the mere facts the two sides have met. So positions I take, as I told you before, are always based on a set of deep convictions. Convictions like this one: for Somalis to survive as a people, the Somali republic must be revived. And for Somali republic to be revived Somalis must do away with the divisions that exist between them. Seldom can such positions be scathed by the feeble attempts your kind labors adeer. It’s fair to say that while many of us wept for the loss of Somali nation, and continue to weep, flaming secessionists like you saw it as a miracle mina-Laah and wasted no opportunity to buttress their case for separatism with repeated reference to the painful political and security predicament of the south. Look what your hired pens write to convince relevant power centers day in and day out and see to it if you can wash it with your often repeated lines of we are separate because British colonized us. jamaacah, I understand this is a poetry section, and I shouldn’t be bringing politics to it. If the poetry section became the trenches of SOL’s known charlatans, however, I felt that I have no choice but flush them out…out in the open so the nakedness of their argument is clear for all to see.

^^Don’t doubt my fathering adeer! This is a Hadrawi style; it’s a style that served very well one of my literary heroes. NGONGE, share your third way adeer. I will welcome it. Unless of course aad lasoo shirtagtid character assassination is a permissible tactic in politics. To which I would retort, hus iyo qad baa lagu yiri! Or just hus .

^^I checked the other thread and I saw a tragic suugaan homicide . Haddaan lagu xirin baad faa ido joogtaa adeer... But I must inform you that it does not please me to see the premature expulsion of your literary bullets. The miscarriage could’ve been avoided if you had the patience to sit on it a bit more, and we would’ve all appreciated it. Instead of celebrating the traumatic death of your verses, I decided to compose a heartfelt eulogy for the potential that has been squandered! Abtigiis markuu yiri aqri erayadaan qoray waa iniggii intaan naxay is iri bal soo eeg wuxuu qoray abwaankani ********** Meeshaan asraar iyo ka filaayey unug culus afarray fashilantoo intay dhicisay dhimatto engagtoo an noolayn ayyaan meeshi ugu tegay ********** anfariir gadaashii abitgiis maciin biday oo iri adeerow waxay eraygan liitaa? aaway tookhii weynaa? ********** intii aamus ciirsaday oo yara ilmeeyuu yiri xiin adeerow afartani na dhaaftaye alla-bari inoo mari ********** anigoo ilaaq iyo eray iyo warkale gelin ajib weeye baan iri waxaan iri Illaahow adigaa addunyada unkayyoo abuuroo kuligeen na uuntee wixii lumay ilaahow miisanka aakhiro abitigiis Casiisaw iimaan kasiiyo kasawaabi ehelkii ********** inkastoo u liittoo Abitigiis nin-xume yahay markaan erayga khayrka leh adciyiyo iyo eedaan Illaahay la tuugsaday ilamadii intuu tiray aamiinsay ducadii

^^Adeer hadduu gabay ku hayey maad no sheegtid waa kaa foolin lahayne . Bal eeg hadda sidaad u dhicisay, and how you unwittingly allowed your literary potential to be squandered! Intaan kula cilaaqtami lahaa, afarey aan ugu baroor diiqqayyo gabayga kaa dhintay baan soo tuuri doonnaa adeer. Stay tuned yaa A & T!

^^Alla maxaa shiddo ku haysa! Kuwa dadka la tusayyaa maaha kuwa halganka hubaysan ku jira. Kuwa dadka la tusayyaa waa noocaaga adeer. A & T, waa laguu arkaa. Dhan walba warlord yar baad uga egtahay... Asxaabta kale, minus NN, waa isla jar-jarayna haddii alle idmo. Haddese ciyaalkaan la cayyaarayaa ee hallay saamaxo yaa ahlu karam...

^^Sii soco adeer. Xaggeer baad dhagaxyo kasoo tuuri doontaa sidaadii kolbee.

Yaa Jammacatul kheyr wal Barakah, Dialogue with the enemy is a strategy whose universal value has been widely recognized. Grasping that valuable nugget of wisdom, John Kerry smacked real hard on John McCain’s demagogic stance on the issue of not talking to America’s adversaries. If you have not been following America’s presidential campaign, McCain, Arizona US senator and this year’s Republic presidential nominee, has accused Barack Obama of naivety and inexperience when the junior senator from Illinois presented his foreign policy approach toward nations and leaders perceived to be America’s adversaries. I will talk not only to our friends, but I will also talk to our foes. Barack said. Barrack’s position, McCain retorted, shows the depth of his lack of understanding in international affairs. These disagreements may be symbolic and superficial. But the arguments both men presented to advance their own positions are worth studying. John Kerry, as Obama surrogate and heavy hitter, does a superb job, in my opinion, to delineate the benefits of engagements with America’s detractors. In so doing, senator Kerry uses sound reasoning, and not impassionate appeals to emotions of American populace, to repute McCain’s foolish stance. Allah, I was amazed at how his logic follows the contours of Islamic teachings in terms of exhausting all means before resorting to armed conflict. The delegates Mohamed (scw) sent across Arabia and letters of diplomacy he composed were all part of that teaching. The hudnas he signed, and alliances he formed were all part of it. In short, there was no a single occurrence of war, I know of, for which a path of peace or an opportunity of dialogue existed that the prophet of Allah had not explored. And where the honor of believers or the interest of his message were at stake, serious considerations and thoughtful deliberations were the prophetic methods that formed the basis for making informed decisions. I was also reminded the discussions we have been having here in SOL, and how our little John McCains formulated their broken arguments in favor of continuous war. SOL’s little McCains have less stature and power and the consequence of what they espouse here in the cyber space pales in comparison with McCain’s dangerous posture of warmongering. But the mentality and mindset of feeling compelled to be rigid and inflexible in the face of global challenges, even if the cost is clausal and the outcome uncertain, is a common denominator that’s hard to ignore. I am referring here to the hired pens that seem to be advancing, nay forcing, an agenda of war in SOL’s pages, and in the process deliberately belittling the efforts of peace as naive and lacking strategy---the seemingly able and intelligent nomads who publicly shame the likes of Sharif and accuse him of treachery and duplicity. That’s what this article reminded me. There was a great and beneficial xaddith that preached the universality of wisdom. Take it from whereever you find it, the prophet said. Here it’s yaa Jammaacah… Somalia is in a sorry state. That much we all know. But this article also reminded me the inadequacy of thinkers and leaders that exist in the Somalis in Diaspora and back home. Perhaps if we had few strategic thinkers who have little patience and tolerance, we would’ve saved tens of thousands of innocent Somali lives that have been wasted for no assessable purpose. Idinkoo raali ah, ikhyaarey bal hooyya oo aqriyyaa qalinka McCain dushiisa ku jabay. ============================================= Opponents of dialogue often quip that talking isn't a strategy. Walking away isn't a strategy, either. McCain says that "there's only one thing worse than the United States exercising the military option, that is, a nuclear-armed Iran." But for all his professed reluctance, when McCain disavows diplomacy, he is stacking the deck in favor of war. What might we achieve by talking with Iran? Some say our engagement to date has not been productive -- but a less half-hearted and less conditional approach might well break the stalemate. We won't know until we try. read on John Kerry's reasoning yaa Jammacah

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: There are losses and tragedies in a struggle. You take that as an endogenous factor when you are in a war. It is not because you have a softer heart, or we are barbarians that we espouse that line and you oppose it. Throughout history that debate has raged.We merely find ourselves on the two sides of the divide. I hope you see it that way. A & T, I don’t get you, man! You are risking contradicting what you wrote a little while ago above. Perhaps you think sophistry and immoderate talkativeness will win for you this debate. What I object is not that people die in conflicts; rather it’s the apparent lack of strategy as to how to address the complexity of Somali conflict. What you have is a compounded civil war by a hostile and opportunistic Ethiopian occupation in certain parts and her influence in other parts. Unless you want us to ignore the fact that most Somalis are not fighting this war, in fact a negligible percentage fights it, it’s quite simplistic to suggest the fight in Xamar and the ku-dhufoo-ka-dhaqaaq in selected villages and cities is the way to go in liberating Somalia. That’s not to smear the alshabaab fighters who carry out those activities. Their struggle and fight is admirable and their shortcomings are understandable and excusable. Their strategy however is not. But you neither struggle nor fight in this conflict hence your tough talk is totally unwarranted adeer. I need not waste my time refuting the false analogies you espoused above…

A&T, let me see if I read you right. 1- you are not living in qurbaha. I stand corrected if you are not a qurbo man. But without impeaching your credibility I do believe it's unlikely that you live in Somalia. But the role of Qurbo folks in Somali politics is not contingent upon the whereabouts of A & T adeer. So my assertion of the existence of a negative Diaspora influence stands unscathed. That you attempted to smash it with all your might is noted. 2- you don’t object to peace talks---you just want to know what's the fallback strategy incase things don’t go as planned. If indeed that’s your position, you must have poorly communicated it in this thread. All the subsequent conclusions of many nomads here were fairly based on your replies in this thread that suggested a completely different stance. You may be tempted to fault our comprehension but, yaa A & T, be aware because your tone and presentation of your views will still stand to fail you. Perhaps a larger question is why did it take you so long to say you agree with Sharif in principle, if that’s the position you take? 3-Your reservation about the feasibility of peace talks rests on your knowledge that Ethiopia and America would not allow it. Adeer, if you have the conviction and the political conscious you don’t need to wait until the policies of the entities you mention change. Knowing the rationale of their positions is helpful as you commence your peace making efforts, but forgoing the whole processes because of the probability of that certain powers will oppose it is a sign of timidity. There is a risk-taking element in these efforts. That’s how good objectives are advanced. No one knows how this will in the end turn out. But the alternative of doing nothing or continuing with current course is worse. Perhaps nothing is more scandalous than rejecting these efforts, good efforts I may add, out of timidity of the outcome. We must try to see if this is a feasible route to take. In any case, you must know that Somalia is beyond mere protests of the formality and the style of how those who are part of our conflict meet or talk. The point is for them to meet, and see if they can agree on something. As I said before peace is most unarticulated need that Somalis have today. As long it comes about with less violence it will be a huge welcome for those who need it most. Those who think this is a contest of bravery miss the point for it’s not. Sharif is a leader. I wanted him to lead. And lead he did. As long he shares the vision of a Somalia that’s relatively peaceful he gets my support. Those who supposedly be supporting but have difficulties seeing his rationale for entering dialogue with tfg, and even with Ethiopia will ultimately support him if he succeeds as long they are sincere. Those who don’t share his goals and are after quick wins, and want to exact vengeance will not find any satisfaction in what Shariif does or will do in the future.

Originally posted by Emperor: ^Did you really say that, I though he was making up Off course I did not say that emp. By coming down hard on Mogadishu warlords and their supporters, Xoogsade of then took it personally what Xoogsade of now would not. That was all. A & T, do you think, I mean, seriously, that Sharif is alone in this? What’s your opinion on the other well-respected scholars who were in Jabbuuti team? You’re making it seem like the Sheikh deserted his team and went alone in this mission of peace. Is that deliberate or what? Wallaahi this is not funny saaxiib. I just don’t understand when people who live in relatively very luxurious life styles object to the notion of making peace whatever it takes. Why would those who are in the qurbaha object to compromise in the Somali conflict? Isn’t that stance itself the peak of hypocrisy? I mean they ran from a civil war, perhaps sponosored their families, and collected their lives and live in a very compromised life style, yet here they come preaching mulish political positions ignoring all the facts in their disposal. What warrants that yaa A & T? Why do you think folks like Sharif are compelled to inter a dialogue with the very entity that helped Courts down fall? Is there a precedent for what they are doing in both world political histories, Islamic or otherwise? What do you know about how adversities that confronted out beloved Rasuul was overcome? If his approach of dealing non Muslims, hostile enemies was strategy of patience driven by a vision of how to win tomorrow instead of being consumed by emotion and anger that do not get you far in achieving your goals, what better alternative do you have in dealing with your fellow Muslims who are determined to finish you off by any means? Do you think Mohamed Dheere and his supporters are kuffaars or Yey and his political base are bunch of infidels? And even if they were, what do you propose to be a wining strategy to deal with a people who are part of Somali polity? Just throw a bomb there and here in a very limited theatre of Somali conflict, namely Benaadir and its surroundings while the rest of your country serve restive logistical passage and staging area for the other side? I mean did you bother to give a serious thought for the notions of continues war among what is a very tired shacab in my mind that you seem to propelling here saaxiib? War dadkani maxay ka sammaysay yihiin, qalbi diiraba ma leh mar marka qaarkood!

Originally posted by Xoogsade: When I first joined Xiin said I looted his home. That was when you were defending the folks who looted my home. I find curious that you went back in time and brought that one up! But in any case, I am happy to say the Xoogsade of then is quite different than the Xoogsade of now. As long you don’t resort badmouthing good culumaa you disagree with, you will be safe from my cyber sword adeer. Now let me say few things to A & T. I am calm as one can be. I don’t loose my coolness simply because a cyber character like you accused me things I am not. You can complain as much as you want in this thread, but I think I finally got you adeer. Here is what you are saying in this thread: peace is impossible because Ethiopia is still in Somalia and tfg is still standing. You claim you want first to defeat Ethiopia and teach her a lesson before such possibilities are entertained. You are angry at Sharif because, you say, you think the steps he took may undermine the unity of the resistance. All those are legitimate concerns and preferences and one would not reproach you holding such views if you were considerate enough to express them in a civilized maner. But you come across as intolerant as one can be by accusing Sharif things that even his worst enemies never accused of him. And then when you got called out on it, you turned around, and instead of admitting you were wrong, accuse us with equally libelous terms. Your apology come very short as you still continue to imply people who support Sharif, like me, support him because they want tfg to survive and aim the division of the resistance. How disingenuous can one get beyond this adeer? I am not apologetic, in the least bit, to describe you as I did. I think you are intolerant. I think you are ignorant in the ways the saxwah operates. And by contributing to two threads that defame Sharif with all sorts of labels, I think you have bigger issue with Sharif than you allow us to know. Your accusations seem to be spontaneous in many ways adeer. Those are the impressions you give in your cyber replies. Whether the real A& T is different in person is immaterial. What’s repudiated here is not real you; it’s a character called A & T. It’s not beyond salvage for your cyber character to recover from these mistakes. But you need to begin thinking long and hard before typing away these disturbing views saaxiib. My arguments for peace and dialogue to solve the Somali conflict are well recorded in the repository that is SOL. Need I repeat them once more for you to realize Xiin is no tfger? I think not.

^^I am not a predator adeer. I just have attention for details when they matter. An this time that caprice of mine has been validated. The reason I pick some of your replies is simply because most of what you write are half-truths that does not warrant a response.

Wax kharriban weeye awoowe; bal axadka kaa sarreeya eeg wuxuu lasoo shir tegey.

Blve me, maskaxda shiddeysan ee A & T ku rakibban ma fahmi karto reasoning aad lasoo shirtegeysay. Adiga, aniga iyo wixii alle ku daraba waa tfg loyalists in his books. You see we just cant say it public we support tfg, That's what the man blvs and it's really sad.

^^TFG loyalist! Aha Allow ma iri inaad cuqdada la bugto. You see it only took you few posts to validate my initial assumptions about you. Since you readily proved to be what i thought you were, i have no need to compensate any of my previous assumptions at all. Allahu akbar.

A & T, playing the victim card miyaa adeer. You are busted and you have no sound argument here saaxiib. Edit: Here is what you truely blve... Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: ... Perhaps, as a TFG-loyalist, you may be (you are) happy about it. But, don't expect me to be oblivious to the dangers of his unwise move. I am not surprised if you clap for his indiscretions. It is natural. Who wouldn't relish the downfall of his enemies? Perhaps you see it that way. For the success or failure of the useless TFG is the ultimate measure of Somali nation's revival for you. I don't share that. And with this voluntary confession of yours, I rest my case. You are now eligible for my sincere prayers in Allaah ka caafiyo shiddada ku haysana ee aad la bugto kaa bi'yo!

A & T, all are deserved smack-downs! Baashi, A & T is a disturbed character. He is after Sharif for no other than the reasonable position the good Sheekh took regarding somlai conflict. There are others in this forum who will come out soon in support of such character assasinations in the name of resistane and liberations.

^Waxaan macno lahayn baad ku nuux-nuuxsanysaa maantoo dhan waryee. Waxaa laga celin la'yahay waa hoggaankaaga ixtiraam sow maaha? The poet implied waxaan rag ahayn baa rag maaga . And i agree for being Diaspora warrior you are, the verses I quoted described your kind as well. In your comfort in the west, you have the guts to insinuate that Sh. Sharif is into this peace talk thing for his own benefit. He’s an appeaser, you imply. During their puberty, young boys do any thing to be perceived like a ‘man’. They talk tough and exhibit all sorts of risk taking behaviors. It’s in that period of youthful discretions that the poet referred to! If quoting few verses meant to you that I have somehow shown literary superiority, that’s your conclusion adeer. Like anyone else I am entitled to cite Somali poems when appropriate. And I could not be reasonably held responsible for your hurt feelings as a result of few verses. Perhaps you were naturally predisposed…. Still you don’t know what you are talking abtigiis. You may not aware what Sharif is up to. You seem to be ignorant about what he and his team want to accomplish. You don’t know their strategies. You are just a cyber warrior who wants to be relevant…a feel good pulse I must say, but be careful with how you formulate your critique adeer.

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: Sheeka horaad daba socotaa!! A & T, adeer your intolerance about the diverse views even within the segment that you claim you support is indicative of one thing, namely your narrow-mindedness. If the minor disagreements between the sahwah leaders prompted you to impeach the integrity of one of Somalia’s few good leaders (Sharif), it’s fair to say that you have no claim to the noble causes you seem to be defending! With that said, I understand your source of frustration and impatience. What I called you out on though was your easiness in dolling out accusations against a man I deeply respect and honor his efforts to see Somali conflict resolved. You may find it opportunistic, but your continuous assault on this man warranted a response, and you got one.

It's not Baaluq. It's Baaluqa-is-mood. But again you failed to see connection...as you were.

^^Thanks for removing that post sister! Accept my apologies for my harsh language.

^^Saaxiib,read what you wrote ealier below. Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: Sheekh Shariif waa macaan-jecel tuug ah . He has always been power-hungry and was the only one who gave himself up when the going got tough! He is hell bent on short changing the Somali reliberation cause for a throne. Tuug weeye ! Amazingly enough you went on lecturing about patience and other good stuff in this thread. If you ask me, you did not only speak from both sides of you mouth in the same time, but it also seems that you did speak from your other low cavity behind! In this thread I noticed you were cheerleading defamers slander on Shariif's character! Seems like a trend is emergingg here, does it not?