^^Adeer Nur ii qor horta! Liqaayena ii qor. Kolbaa kuwaa murmi doonee, Sophistana ii qor.. edit: sadexdaa iisii qabo.

Enlightened men should sit on the board of SOL Editorial, yaa Miskiin. The four men you named are unqualified on the bases of their inability to compromise (in Kashafa’s case) OR shed their clannish interest for the common good. I would suggest brother Nur to sit on SOL’s board! When the time comes and you guys are ready, I will volunteer few nomads as well.

This not a thread intended to chronicle the progress or lack thereof of Jabbuuti agreement, as you prefaced. It’s another defeatist note, and it's so fittingly marked!

^^It all depends if Nur Cadde has acknowledged his sins and repented to his maker. I am cabdu for the ONE who forgives ALL the sins of his cibaad yaa Kashafa, and have no rigidyardstick other than His! If anything his peace effort suggests that he is a man of great integrety and character. I have never heard a somali politician who publicly said that he will step down for the sake of peace and stability for his country.

^^Adeer the agreement has not taken effect yet! Even when it does take effect, I am afraid all guns will not be silenced. That's the nature of somali conflict. edit:I think I inhaled too much buffs from the peace pipe, when i wrote what i wrote here, Castro!

You may have a point there, Kashafa, but the notion that you support Sharif’s objectives in this agreement, yet refuse to wholeheartedly indorse it is just incongruous. Even more contradictory is your vehement stance of supporting efforts to abort it, which as you know could potentially prevent Ethiopia’s withdrawal. It just does not add up adeer. I can instantly sniff out half measure strategies adeer... edit: Kashafa, I will promise you that if this initiative fails, I will move on and jamb on the next one to save Somalia, the republic! I will not fault Sh. Sharif, or SH. Xassan, or Alshabaab for that matter for the failure (Allah forbid). In the comfort of my home in the West, I will hold the UN and the powers that be accountable. Of course I wont be able to do anything meaningful to make them pay the price of not fixing the mess and destruction they brought to my country. PG, Point taken adeer! Adiga xagge jirtaa? Ma xaggayga tahay mise xagga Kashafa? I dont blve there can be a middle way on this issue!

^^Still you did not answer my q! There is a one glaring factual error that I need to expose lest you mislead the gallery. I.DID.NOT.SUPPORT.LAST.YEAR’S.SHAM.CONFERENCE.PRECISELY.BECAUSE.COURTS’DEMANDS.WERE.IGNORED. Now go ahead and answer my qs?

Originally posted by Kashafa: quote:Who are this we? Those of us who want to see a stable, and sovereign Somlia, with her territorial integrity unscathed, before this decade ends. Translation: This 'we' will be led by Abdullahi Yusuf, Cabdi-Qaybdiid, Mohamed Dheere, and Nur Cade, among many other peace-loving, reasonable, and patriotic Somalis. Ceremonial posts will be given to the reformed terrorists that join us in a unity government. That will be the extent of our 'grand compromise'. This 'we' of ours is ready to cede and sign away Somali sovereignty to any powerful external actor, be it Ethiopia, the US, the EU, the AU, or the UN. If they have tanks and helicopters, 'we' will make sujood for them. On the other hand, we will (attempt to, spectacular failure thus far) crush and destroy the peace-spoilers, the anarchists, and the Khawaarij who have succeeded in denying us, 'we', the chance to rule. 'We' do not care about that blood that has been shed, the lives that have been stolen, the refugees renting trees for shelter, the genocidal war crimes committed, the 2nd destruction of that ancient city by the sea: Mogadisho, the enduring presence of Ethiopian influence and control, the extradition of Somalis scholars and youth and their torture in secret prisons. All of that means nothing to 'we', us. Everything is expendable for the sake of the Somali Republic and this thing called 'peace and stability', who only 'we' have the right to define. Anybody who opposes us is a warmonger, a terrorist, an anarchist, or a wadaad with too much ambitions. And we will win IA Poor thing doesn't know he's already lost, that he's been throughly defeated with his eyes open. Rag'gu qaarkiisa far waa wayn oo keliya bay wax ku fahmaan. Perhaps the only way Xiin and Baashi will know they have lost, is by seeing the dangling corpses of Abdullahi 'B!tch-slap' Yusuf, Khayrdiid, and Butcher Dheere, hanging from the tallest Qurac tree in Xamar Caday. Only then will they awaken from the drunken stupor that consumes them, that gives them hallucinations of a return to the days of "anaka vs ayaga", a return to the status quo of tribal innuendo and politicking. Defeated old men, like Abdullahi Yusuf, are always the last to see the writing on the wall. Until the grim reaper comes knocking on their bedroom door and says: "Time to go, baby" Mr. Reactionary, you are losing your marbles, which btw you have been shown to be scant of! And the post above is sadly nothing new; it’s your typical backward-looking talk! Anyway, agility, if you didn’t know, is the name of this game adeer. Kusoo dhawow! There is a need to be flexible and adoptable in a constantly and rapidly changing political environment. With all your dam-dam , I am sure that you will, at the end, appreciate Sharif’s good sense of judgment when the Ethiopians are made to withdraw with a single stroke of pen--- a feat sheer bravery alone would hardly achieve. That is if you are genuine in what you preach on these pages. If you however are interested in retributions and reprisals, you’ve already lost adeer. Somalia had, for 17-years, political structure that was designed to repeat the past; this group vs. that group or clan x vs. clan y. Dabodhilif slogan, although a bit catchy and trendy now, is no different. And if anyone is clinching onto to past methods of wining conflicts it’s those who are still aiming to defeat Dabodhilifs, and have no any other program or agenda to reestablish Somalia. Thanks Allah Sharif does not believe that crap and has no such mentality. The good thing is that I firmly believe when we win, you also win. You see, the good Sheikh is one of those rare leaders who feel an obligation to be ultra sensitive to the needs of all stakeholders in this conflict. Your group’s interest whoever they may be (I am confused now as to what you actually supporting) will be given something to be happy about.

Originally posted by Baashi: The question remains unanswered. It is a specific, direct, and munaafaqad -proof one! Castro has tried to answer it. But unfortunately he went off on tangent. The fact of the matter is that Ethiopian withdrawal has been addressed and surprisingly enough addressed to the ASR’s satisfaction. Tigre mercenaries will exit in due time. Just as they demanded, a specific date, time table has been marked on the calendar. Whether that materializes or not remain to be seen. Looks like an extension is immenant for obvious reasons. The important milestone that should be noted is that both factions are willing to compromise. TFG gives up Tigre mercenaries and demands UN blue helmets in return for security reasons until permanent settlement on the core issues of the conflict are negotiated. UIC leadership accepts temporary deployment of UN blue helmets and in return demands Ethiopian withdrawal from Somali soil. They wanted a date and they got one. Unfortunately we are not there yet. This will take us back to where we were before the two sides locked horns. At the table are a laundry list of difficult and humongous issues that have monumental implications of how the civil war gains/losses will be addressed and how post-conflict Somalia will be led. Islamic state, federal state, strong central-periphery state, regional autonomies with loose connection to the weak central state which kind of government will Somalis have!!! At this juncture what the UN rep is trying to attain is a ceasefire and end of hostilities so that matters of large importance can be dissected to everyone’s satisfaction. But hey SOL sipping-latte fat cats want to deny folks on the ground a clean break because their conscious would not allow them to see TFG survive. As to the restless secessionist kid on the marathon I will say this to him: recusal is in order. For you have irreconcilable conflict of interest in all of this. The agreement ICU leadership signed in Djibouti calls for united Somalia with its territorial integrity intact. As proponent of secession, your wailings are regrettable but nevertheless understandable. UIC and ASR views on the territorial integrity of Somalia are nonnegotiable. Have you given up the secession boy? If you haven’t, I don’t know what to make of your incessant doc ka yeernimo in the middle of a fight between two factions that insist on preserving Somali unity. Allow cimrigaaga dheeree! Khalaas.

Lander, I appreciate this new meekness of yours. But you have been anything but reasonable when it comes to Somali conflict. Somalis are divided and broken. There is a flickering flare of hope coming out of Jabbuuti, and we welcome it. We pray it succeeds. We don’t nitpick and find faults to reject it. We don’t blame the good Shiekh who signed it in the best interest of his people. Instead we point out its historicity and the context in which it was signed. If that suggests desire from our part to preserve that defunct TFG entity, so be it. In short, as long the world recognizes that there are different parts to Somali conflict and shows reasonable effort to bridge the gap between them, we support it. We don’t have the luxury of subjecting every clause to our biased political stances on every issue. That, I suppose, is where you and we differ. Zero sum game is so passé a concept to apply to today’s Somali conflict saaxiib. A grand compromise is needed, and we recognize it. Who are this we? Those of us who want to see a stable, and sovereign Somlia, with her territorial integrity unscathed, before this decade ends. And we will win IA.

Originally posted by LANDER: ...considering the situation in Somalia, it doesn’t seem there will be a credible government to represent Somalia anytime soon let alone and end to the bloodshed. ..that said I think the Somalis are beyond saving at this point. By Somalis, you mean non -Somalilanders! And that kind of sentiment is why I always remind fellow SOLers, hardcore secessionist like Lander certainly is has this peculiar wish that Somalia remain stateless so their little tuulo gets the recognition they think she deserves. Before, you have been posting gloomy posts and predicting the prospect of ARS meeting with TFG near impossibility. When two actually met and reached agreement, you were equally dismissive what many of us thought was a breakthrough in Somali conflict. And now, yaa Lander, you are allowing your deep feeling of what should become of Somalia surface its ugly head. Akhrud iyo aba-yasir baa lagu yiri; the Somali conflict is salvageable, and not beyond resolution; Somalis will have IA a credible government---not necessarily tomorrow, but just in time to do up the territorial integrity of Somali republic. Bokero, best way to do away with somali madness goes through dirin , as Baashi would call it. Compromise is what we somalis need. And it has already started....

Castro, all it says (if you pardon the rough translation) is when you are a knee deep in mud, striding at a normal pace is not an option. Inclusiveness is what we all prefer, especially when restoring stability in Somalia hinges on it. But we know better adeer. That was not a realistic goal given US's position on the matter. Labo kala daran mid dooro bay hayd adeer. Sophist, Crisis of leadership it is! In every category. Facts are facts adeer. Among the painful facts are US involvement and Ethiopian presence. Somalis must find a way to deal those two things in a gradual manner...

lol@Castro. Adeer, and i repeat, Minjo dhooqo, midba marbaa lasaara . Haddaadan fahmi karin please qoftii kartida badnayd ee reer Zeylac weydii . A & T, Xadriyo xamid eebe kaama ahee, Xinkay baad usoo xam leedahay. Weligaa nimaad kheyr u salaantay lama arag.

Adeer duulkaa ninkii la dirira cimri deg-deg baa ku dhici. Sometimes i question your raw intelligence. Adduunkoo dhan 60% waa dumar, ninkii maagaa sow nin inuu dhinto raba maaha awoowe. Anigu intaa waan kula taliyyaa waxaan kugu qabo oon shiddo ahaynna lama arko ilaahay amarki.

^^Ma waxbaan bi'iyey awoowe?

^^Adaa isku sammeeyey saaxiib, waa dabeecaddaadaa xoogaad markaad joogtid belaayo inta kugu soo degta baad qof dusha ka fuushaa . edit: i forgot to say tan miyir qab baad ku qortay. And it's not a rarety for you to produce good threads like this one. Laakiin kheyrul acmaali dawaamiahaa...

^^Waxaa igu maqaalaa 3 allifle Duke did that!

^^Maad daysid Castro markuu apologise gareeyo baan ugu jeclahaye'e! Sophistow, as the somali terse says, Minjo dhooqo, midba marbaa la saaraa. Given where we somalis are now, Ahmed Walad's efforts are all we have to work with. Even Geelle of Jabbuuti, a man I have never doubted his somaliness, said the same thing. Adeer cuquushii soomaali lahayd waa soo hijrootay, way idinkaa kan idinkugu sokkeeyaa London joogo! Castro & Baashi caruurtooday ku korsadaan Westiga. al yacni dadkii fekeri lahaa ee mushkiladan wax ka xallin lahaa meel u dhow ooy wax ka beddeli karaan ma joogaan. I for one have promised to my Allah that I will work for peaceful settlement in somalia---saas bay iigu badisaa, and suspect most people would say the same. Take the Jabbuut agreement as the proverbial masalle ey! And please never give up adeer...

Welcome back Sophist! These are very good points. Especially, the need to lift the arbitrary terror labels.

^^Waryee isku kaaya keen. Ragi waa shaah, dumarna waa sheeko saaxiib! Bishaaro, A & T weli waan ka shakisannahay, ninku waa gananyahay sidii gammuunkii.

^^Siilaanyo made a fatal mistake when he endorsed this separatist cause. Other than that he's a wise fellow.

^^ Alla maxaad dad waashay!

^^A & T, nin baqa maaha aniga qudhayda waa buu iisoo buraanburay. Wixii ka raacayse waa la ogaa. Midbaanse ku hubaa: A & T ka adag JB. JB gabayyada uu habeenkii marfashyado kasoo maqloo waagu marku beryey ka lumaan. A & T se isagu wax buu alifaa habaa laaxin badnaadeene.

^^kee weeyye kan yiri reer muqdisho waa caddow Che? ps--welcome back adeer! Inkastood aniga shiddo igala maqnayd.

Waryaa A & T, anaa reer xamar (dadka ka cad-cad soomaalida, if that's what you mean here) gabar ka doonay. Waxaad sheegaysaana waa dacaayad rakhiis ah saaxiib. Waadse iga qoslisay... The only difference i noticed was that the father of gabadhaan doonnay distributed small masxafs and instructed us to read certain chapters of hte qur'an before and after the caqdi[meher] was santioned. Other than that, it was just another typical somali doonis.