^^Most of what you wrote is true. But 2 things are also true. 1- It does not lessen your confussion 2- good old xiin has nothing to do with it...he opposed it, and opposes it now. The wisdom of punishing the massess for the crimes of the few alludes xiin... That clarity is also due to my age.

^^ Caku Castro, dadkii Don Bros joogey baa isoo fiirey markaan qoslay...

^^Yet I am enjoying it. Hardcore secessionist like you hardly deserve a serious debate. The simple chitchat and the small talk I had with you produced tangible results. 1- Your support for alshabaab is temporary and contingent up on in which region they fight 2- Despite SL’s cozy relationship with Ethiopia and its active participation in selling out the other mujaahideen, the ONLF mujaahideen, you made sure that you will oppose alshabaaab if they ever try to destabilize your secessionist entity 3- Yet you will support them if alshabaab carry out military operations in PL . That, yaa Redka, is what my little chitchat succeeded to extract from your confused mind, and I am sure it’s due to my age.

^^Understand for what it really is; a genuine but imperfect attempt to attain an Ethiopian withdrawal thru peaceful means. A solemn realization that Somali affairs are in a foreign hands (UN, America, etc) and to untangle the trap, one must firs try to erect a framework by which to do away internal divisions by at least talking to the other side, the Somali side! Get a grip on these facts and don’t jump ship when the mouthers of half-truths pen their gloomy thoughts… Resist the thought of Sharif being a sold out, or twofaced, or treacherous… Have a patience adeer.

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Dailogue and peace agreements, and not wars, should be the way forward for somalis, says I! Don't confuse the Djibouti farce with a peace agreement. Sowdiga noqday nin daad qaaday, saaxib. This agreement is beyond xumbo. It's a mirage awoowe. Warmoog just pointed that out. It seems that you're taking her critique personally. I told you this before and I'll tell it again, you can still be pro dialogue and peace agreements but Djibouti was a still born endeavor saaxib. P.S. Warmoog is not a warmonger, saaxib. Lest you were confused by the spelling. ^^Adeer Warmoog ma eedayn. I said i dont doubt here good intent. Laakiin waxay meesha ku qortay waa buuq...read again. accusations..denials...weeye waxaa meesha ku qoran. Midda kale did I sound personal? I dont know where you get that one. may be you didn't want me respond Faarax, adeer we know what Islamic Courts did. We also know what they did not do. No one denies that good things Courts brought to somalis but to suggest that their emergence ended the somali civil war is a quite leap...

^^Your cover is blown yaa short-termer! Dodge as much as you like. I can still apprehend your broken logic! And the good thing is that it is not only xiin who sees the apparent contradiction in your stance!

Originally posted by Warmoog: Did anyone notice the two references to an 18-year-long crisis? The situation in Somalia today is a completely different from what was going on during the civil war and the years of warlordism. It is an occupation, and any group or organization that is genuinely interested in resolving the current crisis has to acknowledge it. This is but one example of how the UN goes out of its way to avoid doing that. It would rather feign concern for an 18-year-long crisis, as if what is going on in Somalia today is no different from what was going on ten years ago, as if it is merely a new chapter of war among a people with a long and established history of 'internal conflict' rooted in supposedly inherent tribalism, lawlessness, and whatever else. They want the world to think it is a continuation of the 'protracted Somali crisis', something which in reality ended in 2006. What took place in Djibouti was in no way a 'peacemaking' effort. The US and its allies unfurled a trap, a platform where they could carry out a tactical strategy under UN cover. Beyond their attempts to curb the growing strength and successes of the Mujaahideen, there were, and still are, noticeable attempts to disrupt the ties between the Somali resistance and Eritrea, to demonize and isolate both, and to forge justification for possible attacks on Eritrea in the future. The thought of the runaways practically tripping over themselves in their blind, feverish rush to partake that setup is made only worse by knowledge of the details of what they signed and have since been promoting. Without speculating on what their motives may be, I think they have displayed treachery and two-facedness of enormous proportions. There is too much shadiness in their activities for me to assume they made a few innocent mistakes and, considering the talk of an impending power-sharing deal between the runaways and the stooges, the ignominy we have seen so far might only be the beginning of what we can expect from them. In any case, alhamdulillaah, the plot failed to produce the intended results in Somalia. The Mujaahideen within the country all saw it for what it is/was and took a firm, united stance against it. Best of all, they have intensified the fight against the occupiers and their stooges, giving a very clear message in both word and deed that the Jihad will not be aborted for anyone or anything, especially now that the enemy has reached its breaking point. I have no doubt that good Warmoog means well, and wishes Somalis peace and security. Her ability to express her view so eloquently qualifies her as MMA noticed to be on SOLs future Editorial board. But her perception of conflict resolution---or conflict management for that matter---is so embarrassingly primitive that it renders her long write up to a mere outbursts. Why would any informed Somali individual deny the root cause of Somali conflict and pretend that the brief six-month Islamic Courts rule on some parts of the country ended the Somali civil war? Why would she resort to label the leadership of the ARS who after thinking long and hard of this Somalis azmah entered this agreement as twofaced and treacherous runaways who can no longer be trusted with the task of ending this sad saga of ours? And what is it that she liked in the current fight that she happily thanks Allah? I am not at all happy with how Warmog’s long and mighty labor as it were ended…. Meeshaan hannaan gobanimiyo hadiyad eegaayey Haf miyey la tiri xayd siday haan ku dhayanayso Dailogue and peace agreements, and not wars, should be the way forward for somalis, says I!

^^Taa anaad iga maqashay! Tan hore aabahay baa ii sheegay (aun), tan dabena hooyaday!

^^Haddey baali tahayna,baalinamaday bartaa , i suppose!

Baashi how is this: Nin duq ahi doqon ma noqdo, nin marti ahina mudul ma noqdo

Good call!

Najjaaso waa naag uur leh! ps anigu ma oran!

Cayrow thinks Somaliland is a different country like Jabbuuti . Just like Jabbuuti bros/sisters he is sympathetic to the Somali cause but, you know, he is somalilander---has nothing to do with Somalia. Only if he could understand that alshabaabs political agenda is more nobler than his segmented political view.... Confused.Is.The.Word!

lool@Cagtii socod ka badisaa marbay ceeb la kulantaa! Wallee socod_badane waa loo baqay!

^^Ilaahow kuu naxariiso!

^^Hadda waa runtay saaxiib! Mar asagoo calankii snm wattuu kusoo galayyaa. Mar asagoo shuftay ah oo raba dilalka Gaalkacyo ka socda inuu ka qaybgalo buu kusoo galayyaa. Inuu jihaadana waa rabaa... Fajac iyo amakaag baan aragnay! Ninka naga jaahil bixi adeer.

Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: By Allah, anyone opposing the ,munafiq/Kuffar invasion is not wasted, but achieved a status unlike any other. Though you support the idea of expelling the Amxaars, yaa Xiin, you are quite apathetic when it come to ruling by Shariah and the objectives of Al-Shabaab. You have often bellitled the Young soldiers (marna belaayaad ku sheegtay), but by Allah they will be victorious. As for the hadith ‘yubcathu biniyyaatihim’, this regards those who are innocently/mistakenly killed by the Muslim fighters whilst engaged in war with the unbelievers. e.g when, as the situation in Somalia is today, the enemy is being fought inside the city streets. War illeen ibtil mar ba dhan bay ka dillaacaysaa bahashu! Waryee Rag-ka-roone, tell me one think alshabaab will do after Ethiopia withdraws? Lets say Ethiopia withdraws today, then what is alshabaabs plans to deal with divided Somalis, a clannish polity? Force, ala futuuxu alxabasha? What is it? War ku mee?

Summarize it, Baashi. What is he saying. I cant listen...

^^Critique their views if you will but they are not clannish. That’s rubbish adeer. Mukhtaarow and Turk share no clans. Late Cayrow and Ibrahim Afghani share no clans. I mean do think repeating this alshabaabs are clannish folks will sink in with the caamah adeer. You know better waryee…stop misleading people. There are people who think they can lamp their clannish interest with alshabaabs. It won’t work and the two will eventually contradict each other.

Adeer the death of this marxuum pains us all. the first thing i did this morning when i saw it was call the family si aan ugu tacsiyeyo...but dont tell us xasan dahir is behing Biixi's killing. I mean that is desparate adeer. Thier mafias and gangs who are doing these stuff and IA they will be found and justice will prevail. I despise ina yey iyo wuxu somali geyeysiiyey but i dont support senseless killing. And the Bixis had their share of injustice done to them during Ina Qaybdiid's breif capture of Galkacyo. They will overcome this one as well inshaa Allah. Peope are rightly angry but everybody is not dolling out accusations like you are saaxiib...

Duke, this action is desparate one indeed and so is your accusations! The assertion that hardline religous group are doing a clannish bidding is loughable really! I Hope that's not approach folks in that city are taking... when lascaano fell, it was alshabaab and asmara group. when Kismayo was taken it was alshabaab and asmara group when Bosaaso was shaken it was alshabaab and asmara group. Now businessmen and inocent community leaders are killed and you blame alshabaab again. Unless alshabaab is a code word for the folks who reside in other bank of the city, i dont get you adeer.

Allow u naxariiso! This fitnah is spreading like a wild fire...

^^The man wants to dye his bias with sarcasm! Civility has its edge, you know! Originally posted by Faarax-Brawn: ^Cayrow Jr waa libax libax dhalay ee iska daa igarka. Tell us, yaa Sujuwi, what you know about Cayrow Jr that we don’t know! So far the man has been talking from teh both sides of his mouth...

Originally posted by Faarax-Brawn: Oh,Wheres Paragon in this? Anigu waxaa baafinayyaa mujaahid Cayrow . Where's he?

A coward dies before the courageous dies. Fulay hooyadi ma gablanto