@ Aw Xiin listening 50 cents... who said i listened that rubbish...or you think one cant get hold on of the literature adeer... you must've thought i was in every dhaanto i qouted as well... In any case i hope you get the paralel... Xarbiyow, awoowe ragga meesha jooga anaa u weyn marka i welcome you but i was just curious...

^^Intaa le ekayd waagaa Xarbow ?

^^liido & macawis aa? Buma dheh waryee!

Che, This is reer Xamar boy in seduction mode; Ani lee barakaadadaa bukeyn karaayee ^^Which more or less is equivalent to Rappers’ line; I wanna take you to the candy shop… Look how the reer Xamar girl responds firmly but with a touch of coy: Been been maa igu baawihee, baawihehee… Compare that with the dhaanto stuff reer Burco does… You judge! ....Xamar was the place to be, saaxiib. The rest were little tuulooyin with no urban life...Xamardaye is the word, dont back down on that one! ps..this could be a good subject for Ibti's next paper.

What facts are you presenting? That Hassan is clannish? That Sharif is useless? And that uncle yey is great? Is that all Duke? And who are the mysterious folks in sol whose acceptance xiin is troubling himself? Adeer don’t feign what you are not! You're neivity is showing by thinking somalis can win wars by defeating clans. That's so premitive and raw in many ways and no matter how many times you invoke your bakcground...it just doesnot wash. edit: if anything this thread proves your weakness in reasoning...

^^You see one thing I can’t do much about is the clannish ailment of yours. It’s very hard to debate if you think every one who opposes this useless old man is a clannish person. Perhaps Sh. Sharif and Aweys are religious folks who happened to have garnered a support base in Benadir/Central area. Perhaps even in the sub clannish matrix within their respective clans they are not considered spearheading clan’s political interest. Perhaps... But you are Duke! Clearly this thread of yours has no point. It’s POINTLESS. A big fart adeer! You are indicting people on the basis of not adhering to the holly Quran. Yet you are singing atop of Ethiopian tanks, enjoying the destruction of entire communities, and opposing whatever effort is there for peaceful settlement. And you talk about hypocrisy adeer…

^^put the miscalculations aside for a second Duke. You are backtracking and saying that is not hte point of this thread. What is THE POINT of this thread then?

Che, I have few qs for you too! But let the good Duke answer this one! EDIT: good. I am not done with qs saaxiib. So bear with me a minute. Do you think one can still follow party rules while blving the holly Quran?

Yes I do that's why I am against Ethiopia saaxiib. Answer my q. Do you?

^^Do you blve the holly Quran, Duke?

^^Baashi i hear loud and clear. If this fails and good Sharif said it can fail and we all know that it can fail, he wont be responsible for it. We would've liked every one to be onboard but that's not the reality of things.. I am still giving Sh Aweys the benefit of doubt for he is in a very tough position...remember he is in a dictator's hand. Till he comes out of that place i withhold judgement bro... But his position could not be more wrong...

^^There is nothing to continue adeer! maantoo dhan waxaad na leedahay ninku wax ma oga....taasina **** la qabto ma leh xaaji! Ha ku daalin. I give you the last word.

Do you know who JIS are yaa walah? Just send a letter ku lahaa.

NG, You are making assertions, and when I ask you to back it with reasonable facts, you even make more assertions. You said Sharif is clueless. You said he is disowned by his alliance. You said he has no fighting force, or at least you implied that he has no fighting force on the ground. assertion numero 1: Sharif is clueless. How can one go about dismantling this ****** assertion other than pointing out that the man has been anything but pragmatic and realist in his approaches? His moves so far attest to that. Perhaps you wanted him to continue wielding that AK 47 against American warships and Arial power. But he didn’t. Not only him but also the majority of ICU leadership are with him on this strategy. Since you say that you agree with him on his approach I shall not waste my time explaining how he is justified to bend his strategies not his principles mind you to attain the larger goal. What quarrel do you have with that adeer? aseertion numero 2: Sharif is disowned by his alliance. This is another statement that does not hold water. He is not disowned adeer. Few respected leaders, and I say few because they are few, felt that the majority went too far with this approach. After efforts to bridge the gap did not produce desired results, those who felt the peace approach is wrong broke off and named a new leadership. That was predictable. It didn’t come as a shock for many of us. No informed person could blame good Sharif for the eventual result. It was part of the risk inherent in compromising and deal making. In fact most appreciate that Sh. Sharif has spared no efforts to clarify and preach where they are going with this deal. It was the other side that seemed to be inflexible in the face of these new challenges. To assert, as you did, that Sharif is no good because some of his former friends are no longer with him is just nonsense adeer. He-said-this-before-and-now-he-is-saying-this argument is broken as I showed you earlier adeer. And that’s that. aseertion numero 3: He does not have a fighting force on the ground. He is alone. That is just rubbish, pure rubbish adeer. Take away alshabaab, who has no loyalty to any one in Asmara or in Jabbuuti, and few, insignificant clannish militia here and there, and what you are left with are,most of them are, Sharifs forces. Most of the Courts men, plus jabhal islmaayah (JIS) are technically his. When this deal is officially signed in the Kingdom you will see what I am talking about. What are you arguing against then? Those are facts. Are you willing to argue against facts? I mean come on xaaji.

Originally posted by NGONGE: I listned to that last night. I got bored after ten minutes. (no, it had nothing to do with my Somali). There are countless adjectives and sifaat to describe Sharif's speach but boring could not possibily be one of them... I blame your somali adeer. edit: che, who said peace is an easy thing?

^^Tell us your perception of those fighting on the ground and who you think thier leaders are? I mean you are coming across utterly ilinformed on the realities on the ground saaxiib! I think we have two different frame of reference here saaxiib. I dont know if you know who many are in Asmara, and apart from good Aweys where most of the religous oriented stand on this! And you think Indhaccade is gaining respect! edit; you think he is clueless, yet we are depating the consequence of his policies...cajaaib!

^^calm down adeer, maan rag waa mudacyo caaradood , waa la is khilaafaa waligeed adeer. Laakin tani dhanbay u badatay...dhanka nabadda that is ya che.

Where's A & T? Ducaysane, who ever composed it, those verses you posted are great and strike a chord with me...

^^Why, why, and whys? All about his past positions, which, notwithstanding with your rhetorical questions, are all clear for anyone who has been following the Somali conflict and the sharp turn it took last year! It’s telling that you have no whys of what he’s doing today. One could say the same about almost every leader who achieved and advanced his cause. But I think it’s pointless to argue about how the man positioned himself if you agree with his bigger goal of achieving peace through talks and dialogue with the other side. What did he so far gain in this approach? More than anything else he gained the trust of Somalis. Even his staunchest opponents admit that the man articulates a vision that’s realistic and fair for Somalis. As for some of his former colleagues disowning him, it is just part of the nature of the stuff the man is engaged in adeer. Some are consumed by anger and are unable to see any alternative to war. Some are resistant to change. And some just like you are natural born cynics and think the man is selfish and his moves are manifestation of his ulterior desires of power and position. So opposition to his bold moves is expected adeer. The fact remain though that the majority of the original Asmara team are with him. He has substantial fighting force on the ground that remain loyal to him. And he secured the capacity to engage with the world to advance his cause of reviving Somalia…

Boqoroow Allahayoow adaa, baaqiyoo jira e Bari iyo adigaanay Galbeed, kula balaadhnayne Sawaariikhda adigaan ka baqin, oo iska soo baxa e Adaanay bir orod dheer ku helin, amase baabuure Baylood cirkaa mari adaan, buur ka hoos galine Adigaa wixii aad burburin, berina joogayne Baryadayda ii yeel adaan, kuu bandhigayaaye Barashada cilmiga diinta yaan, baafiyaa waliye Masaladii la baadhoo dhan baan, baal ka taagnahaye In aad diinta ii badisid baan, kaa baryahayaaye Nin waliba bilaadiisa wuu, barako maalaaye Baradaydii gaal baa fadhiya, buuran tabartaye Mana badheedhi karoo ninkaa, baaqsadaan ahaye Inaad iga bixisaan rabaa, oon kaa baryahayaaye Alla Tuug...

^^Well, that is the rigidity I was refering to. We all have made statements and taken political stances that in hindsight do not all appear appealing any more. Some of the statements the good Sheekh made were reflecting the official position of the entity whose name he was issuing those statements. Others reflected his personal convictions. Those things happen all the time and most people understand them for what they are adeer. But principles are principles. And, as far as I can tell, the good Sheekh has not betrayed his principles. In fact he advanced them, and promoted them to the extent he could under the circumstances. Let me cut to the chase yaa NG; embracing peace is not akin to a betrayal of Sharifs principles. Talking to the other side of the Somali conflict is not a betrayal of Sharif’s principles. Realizing Ethiopia is not alone in this war is not certainly a betrayal of his principles. So I want you to own your words and assertions saaxiib. You can certainly be cautious on this peace drive given previous failures. But when you make assertions like the one you made, you owe us explanation adeer. What is the principle that you reckon Sh. Sharif betrayed?

^^It would help if you lay ‘the two opposing principles’ out in the open so we can all understand the said principles good Sheekh betrayed Xaaji!

^^Rigidity, I thought, was not one of your qualities yaa NG. Sharif is playing ball adeer. and if you think his political pragmatism is a liability for him, ilaahay ka bari inaad ayyaamo noolaato…

Sophist, my good brother the real power lies with Sharif. Sh Xasan have certainly his own rights to oppose any peace in Somalia as long he remains in the terror list. But listening his argument last night I was not impressed with his simplistic take on the question of Ethiopia, Jabbuuti conference… The question has never been whether to negotiate with Sh. Xassan or whether his was part of the dirin process. Sh. Xassan was the face of Islamic movement in Xamar. But by coming out in opposition to what the very entity he helped establish is engaged in, he risks to play into the hands of those who always wanted to drive a wedge between his movement. But one thing I have no doubt; war is not an option to resolve the Somali azmah. Peace is. Always support those who take that line of thinking yaa bro… Ps..for those who are in MN, come and see Ina Walad Abdalla @ St. Paul this coming Saturday yaa Jamaacah!