Untill Mr.Balli-gubadle clarifies his positon on the question of secession, his calls will remain implausible!

lool@caruur caruur aan lala ciyarin baa jira. Nice come back!

^^After dining a fine restaurant, not far from where we work, I asked an old collogue of mine (a white man from Texas) about the recent economic anxiety! Patience! We just need a little patience, he said, and things will work out fine. I appriciated his attitude. For Allahs sake the man is few moons away from retirement. A retirement he lost about 40%! Patience, guys. This agreement did not take into effect yet. Miskiin conveniently omits that critical piece of data. Consequently, his conclusions are erroneous.

Che, ma hargabkii A & T baa adna kugu dhacay?

^^Allah@ Bishaaro! Allow ku daa . Originally posted by Abtigiis &Tolka: So, women become a resource to be pawned and traded across debate forums?! Resource, pawn, commodity (trade), and women in the same sentence? Wallee inaad lalmaanaysaa

Originally posted by Abtigiis &Tolka: I now see, your message to Xinn just after you declared you are not in this, as a clear demonstration of honouring your oath of fealty to the man from the East. In view of that, I am left with no option but to reflect on what must have propelled Ina-Camanje to run away when he heard the approching caravan of Xididkii from the East: Waa koramadoodii waxaa koorta soo luli'ye Kud hadilee waa waxaan laheyn kubabka daalaaye Saakana Kabdo-castii miyaaa kadinka ii taagan?? The difference is, this time, no one is running away! Unleash your wrath, Sophist! Unleash! But again I caution you with the following lines from Ina-Aflaw, who scoffing at the threat of coalescing minnows in a duel, said: Qaraamaad, qacleey, iyo hadhuudh, qamandigii heeda Qudayaal la soo ururiyey iyo dhuuni toban qoys ah Quudkaa ninkii cunis ka daya waa qashiinimo'e Alow yaa intaan qabar ku dhicin qoloba meel geeya Oo qoysba qoyskii lahaa qaalinka u raacsha! love@ the mubaarazah. This mubaarazah of yours reminds me Ina Qurreex ! Just like you, he used to talk loudly and at times made what seemed to be a credible threat. Observing from the distance, and seeing Ina Qureex (who truly was a man with scanty merchandise), wielding broken verses, one of the great poets of Ciid offered unsolicited advice. Wuxuu yiri: Jilbis dabadi lama taaban karo jirkanna xaraare’e Jiic baarki lama fuuli karo jay haddaad tahay’e Haddaad jaad xuntahay qoortu waa jalaqsan kaa dheere’e Jug yar baa ku gaadhay iyo waxaan jabin laftaadiiye Nacfina waa jiraa oo waxbaad jalamsanaysaaye *********** intaa joogsi how dhimmane’e Joog Ina Qureexow rag waa kala jid qaataayye Arigaaga jiro yaan iblays jaaha kaa luminne In the spirit of compromise, I decided to heed Geelle's and Sophist’s advice not to complete my Nadeney addeereeyey gabay. A & T, aan heshiinnee gabdhaha ii daa! Sidoo kale, sheeka xariiradaa wax aad iyo had jeer dhex qubto ka aruuri. If you do that, raggu waa shaah! Kolba wax walba waad ka murmaysaaye, bal offer kaa wax ka dheh!

^^What's happening on the ground is not new. It has been happening for the last decade and half. Aamin@may ALLAH safe Somalia

^^Naden, I will inshaa Allah complete the gabay one day. Halqabsi is when a poet chooses to converse with someone else about the topic of his/her poem. Originally posted by NGONGE: A&T, By the way, that bit about ripping the clothes and calling for moderators, who are you talking about there? I assumed it was Xiin and not Naden but she confused me with her reply. Where is Nuune to explain..war ega gaaar... ^^Surely he was talking about Naden ! But Naden, it must be borne in mind, is above of it all. Folks, I admire Aw Tusbaxle’s energy and industrial output. He’s a good friend of mine. I love him so much that I seriously considered sending him a Ciidul Fidri gift --I thought buying him Miles Stones, and sendind a note along with it that reads: si fiican u mayro intaadan taaban ! But the man is not without anomalies. And his anomalies can hardly be compensated. Take his strategy to seduce SOL girls with the odes of his posts. NG somehow decided not to tell his friend the perils of such an ad-hoc strategy. I for one never craved to be counted as one of his cheerleaders on that course. I warned him before on it, but his peculiar boldness got in the way of heeding a genuine advice from a loyal friend. Kaaga darane xoogaa markuu joogaba anuu igusoo kala jiireeyyaa . Ibtilo. ps---Aw Tusbaxle, there are visible scratches on some of the viewer’s faces. And those scratches my good friend resemble that of your marks! Xaal bixi waryee. pps---Sophist, a knowledgeable fellow in the matters of Somali literature, has spoken. His verdict is not only right, but also carries a significant weight.

^^Where did you get the notion that Sh. Sharif’s standing among Somalis has diminished, and that it’s reverse of what it has been? Are you just saying things just to suit your political point of view? The leadership crisis is real. It’s a true and tested approach however that it’s easier to lead masses to the right direction rather than bringing salvation to each and every one of them. What the good Sheekh is doing is what’s needed be done. And unless you are resolved not to understand the value of dialogue among Somali factions, the risk of not talking to each other is greater than the failure that could come out of a potential collapse of the Jabbuuti efforts. Xiin is not waiting for biblical messiah to come out of the blue and safe Somalis. I see a real effort that could change the Somali game. The Dirin process is on. Just wait for the caravan to deliver the goodies adeer. There are disgruntled former Sharif supporters whose source of frustration is understandable. But the process good Sharif is part of is the only one in town that could articulate a realistic way out. It's middle name is called 'compromise'! What alternative do you have? If you have realistic and viable alternative bring it on adeer. If you want to do and die as others have been doing without a strategy to win the larger conflict…then I guess you have that option now still on the table.

Ilax (what a name!), Pitfalls await, to paraphrase the Greek philosopher, those who dwell on generalities. What’s wrong with Somalis? What is wrong with Muslims? Adeer I find these questions quite silly. One could come back, quite fairly, and say to me, there are no dumb questions. And that’s probably true. But dumb questions are a notch or two higher than silly queries. Somalis are victims of a civil war. Their tragedy is not unique; it’s just current and raw. To suggest somehow there is some thing fundamental that’s wrong with Somalis as a people is just, well, silly. Perhaps the poster wanted to ask what is the root cause of Somali civil war. Had the poster framed the question along those lines, I would probably be more receptive to the invitation. Now, you implied that the reason I scoffed the poster is because, you think, I feel all knowing. I find that suggestion even sillier than the question I objected. What makes you think that I feel more knowledgeable than anyone here? Do you have some deep wounds that I am not aware of saaxiiib that I need to tend next time I engage discussions in the cyber world? I feel completely caught off guard by your suggestion. Abdalla has brought up I think very good points. But I find it difficult to agree with his thesis. I would put it this way: the sheer lack of a functioning state exposes, as it would do to any other society, the inherent weaknesses of Somalis as people. This applies to any people without a central government. The façade that was national government is gone today, until it gets re-erected, ceebaheenna bannaanka iska oollayyya. Dadka taladooda waxaa hayya dad aan u qalmin. Politics kii baa naga xummaaday oo qabiil nala galay. Marka leadership question ka la saxo ayyaa ceebtani qarsoomaysaa… Raadi dawladnimada soomaalida inay soo noqoto haddaad rabtid inaad xurmo yeelatto as a muwaadhin.

@The worry is that once A&T notices that Val is on the other side he may abandon me and join Xiin. Ninko waa bila saaxiib! NG, adiga gabay baan kuusoo wattaa. I know you gonna hit me with Mutanabi stuff. But this time, just like our articulate republican vp candidate said, gloves are off .

lol@Serinity. You know that aint so!

Originally posted by Valenteenah: Xiin, Aw Tusbaxleh waa la sitaa no doubt, but I'm not interested in adding to his woes. lol@not adding to his woes.. I still do think you have an stake in the outcome of this battle. To suggest that Val is only interested in this battle for its sheer gladiatorial value flies in the face of what Val has been all about .

^^With Vals support, i think i will overpower this Aw Tusbaxle guy. It's NG that worries me the most. lool@Afro's 'ku wajaameeyaan' I feel very strong today. I trust my belt. Iisoo sheeg haddaad labada indhood saarto!

I am looking for Aw Tusbaxle. His advisers, NG and Nunka , are also of interest to me.

Originally posted by Abtigiis &Tolka: ^ what an upset! I was really looking for the parting Gabay, but the the prize of the Halqabsi, I thought, would go to Nepthys. See how Xinn can wrongfoot even the most vigilant souls! I strongly resent your sinister insinuation that I neglected Bisharo. Bisharo, you should know, had earned her place in SOL. The woman has good insights into principles and knows that deeds depend on intentions. She’s truly amongst those whose stature and good standing could hardly be trampled. Hers stood against tests of time. Needlessly to predict that poorly delivered stunts, as the case certainly is in your suggestion that Naden’s appearance in my lead verses somehow threatens Bisharo, will fall flat. Perhaps the reason why most sensible girls here view you as the one crazed has something to do with this habit of yours of injecting misplaced jokes into every exchange. When you continue to propel such spikes through the heart, as it were, of our esteemed girls, are you not risking cutting off your nose, as Imam Hariri would say, with your own bare hands? What do you reckon good Malika would feel or Serenity would judge when you deny Naden her earned reference in my verses? Waryaa don’t take my warnings as rabble-rousing! You know I never did well in that department. Waa un kuu caqli celinayyaa, as always. Now if you think you could compose after me, and equal to my literary challenge, I will start a gabay thread. Whom I will honor with my halqabsi is totally waa hawl ii taalla. As the notions of peace and war and how to go about them, that, my friend, has been and continues to be a matter of contention. But given Somalia’s status today and what her people had gone through most people would agree what we Somalis have done and the approaches we have taken have not worked. It’s no longer a cliché to say that dagaal wiil baa ku dhintee wiil kuma dhasho! Especially, when both sides are Somalis. Every venture, be it political or otherwise, has an inherent uncertainty built into it. Peace efforts are no different. Listen to Alamagan. The man has a very germane point. Why would you feel so hasty on this one yaa Aw Tusbaxle? He seems to be asking that question albeit implicitly. Please answer him. War is a known commodity. And so is peace. Each has its time. The time of peaceful settlement is now. Ethiopia will withdraw. TFG will be diluted enough to make it palatable to average Somalis. The friends of the AK 47s will be recruited to fight future wars. This is a vision of compromise…it can be done. Adeer ba'aan iyo hoogaan Allah nooma qorin. We have finnally found enough values to solve the rest of somali equation. Please read Hadrawi's famous Zahra poem. Please do. the hope shall never die .

lool@Aw Tusbaxle. Allow waaya noo daa! Aw Tusbaxle, on a more serous note, I have never slandered your ability to knit flowery words. I have previously admitted that you are gifted in many ways. What I suspected you lack though, and I think this thread proves that, is the intellectual capacity to grasp the possibility (even at an intellectual level) of winning wars, not by the barrel of the gun, but by dialogue and compromise. You seem to have been lost in the gloomy details of Somali conflict. The irony of your analytical rigor is that it does equal to the argument itself. Why, given the bright and accomplished economist you are, you chose to think like a mere accountant is a mystery to me. Technically speaking, Ethiopia has already won last years skirmishes. Speaking her in imperial terms, as you have done, only supports her narrative of this war and assures for her a triumph note in the history pages. Pride, my good brother, is truly a sunk value. The sooner you realize that, the better the chance to overcome this tragedy. One why to do that is to support the peace efforts to bridge the gap between Somalia's political players. And that’s exactly what Jabbuuti deal intends to do. Lest you confuse yourself again, and in the process confuse few fickle souls on SOL as well, what I support is the peace approach! My support of peace, however, is not necessarily contingent upon the behavior and political ambitions of few men. Let me be clear. I appreciate your nice sentiment, for repent is always good thing. It’s quite elementary to see why, after nearly twenty years of guns, death and famine, one would support a different approach to end the Somali civil war. That you struggle to understand that point is …meelaha bannaan buuxi ps inaan kuu gabyaan damcay...oo weliba ku halqabsado Naden! Oon iraahdo... Nadeney adeereey adaa aamusnaan jirey Adigaan ilaaq iyo aqoon eray xumaaneede'e Abtigiis inkaarane -- laakiin halkaas markaan marinayyo baan iska daayey...

lol@hal salaama naqsaneeso. nuune, you are an old soul walle... edit: Lilina waa timid. Waa inoo berri qaraabo...waansii carraabay. NG ha la igu salaamo haddaad aragtaan.

^^See Nuune, good Serenity weli waa soo jeedaa ! Surweelka tight ka am maba ogeyn! In MN, dad gaar ah baa bahalkaa gashada ninyahow

^^Horta Ingiriiska maxaa ka qaldan ninyahow. Raggu sidii dooradii bay maghrib kii soo xaroodaan, dumarkuna intaas troll thread kay joogaan! Adi yon NG are good example.

Dan Balz's Take A Debate About McCain Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), arrives for a technical walk-through of the debate site in advance of the presidential debate with Democrat rival Barack Obama at Belmont University in Nashville, Oct. 7, 2008. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)By Dan Balz NASHVILLE -- Every debate, every encounter, every moment of Campaign 2008 is its own mini-drama. Tuesday's debate at Belmont University is no exception. The focus is all on John McCain. Since his first debate with Barack Obama, McCain has seen his fortunes take a turn for the worse. His post-convention, Sarah Palin-generated bounce began to fade. The economic meltdown shifted the playing field to terrain more hostile to his candidacy. His handling of the negotiations in Washington drew sharp criticism. More troublesome for McCain has been the political impact of all those factors on the state of the race. Over the past three weeks, there has been an across-the-board shift toward Obama, to the point that, without a reversal, McCain is threatened with losing the election -- and not by the whisker that many had predicted earlier. McCain has, for now, ceded Michigan, once a prime pickup target for the GOP, to Obama. Bellwether Ohio, a state that no Republican has lost while winning the presidency, is trending away from McCain. Solid red North Carolina is, for now at least, a toss up. Florida, which broke Al Gore's heart eight years ago and then moved decisively to President Bush four years later, also is in that category, partly out of neglect by McCain's campaign. Virginia and Colorado, two of this year's new battlegrounds, look favorable to Obama. The electoral map looks awfully promising for Obama. For now, at least. But this is not late October. There are still four weeks of hard campaigning left. The twists and turns have come at a dizzying pace in this campaign. Think how rapidly perceptions -- and the campaign narrative they have driven -- have changed just in the last few months. Obama's foreign trip was considered a triumph on the weekend he returned to Chicago. Within two weeks, thanks to a concerted strategy by the McCain campaign to bring him down to earth with mocking ads linking him to Brittany Spears and Paris Hilton, the trip was seen, at best, as a questionable exercise and at worst as a demonstration of hubris by the Democratic nominee. Then came Denver and the Invesco Field acceptance speech and, it seemed, Obama had put his campaign on track. Then came Palin's selection, judged harshly by the political cognoscenti but received enthusiastically by the Republican faithful, and by mid-September, Democrats were grumbling about what had gone wrong with the Obama campaign. Now it is less than a month later. Obama appears to be cruising and McCain stumbling. Every shift in campaign tactics by McCain is seen through the prism of an operation in distress. That's why McCain is on the hot seat for Tuesday's debate. What are his options? Even his running mate, offering encouragement from her perch, says it's time to take off the gloves and go after Obama. Through advertising and in campaign trail rhetoric, that's the direction McCain has charted. But the other piece of wisdom that must be rolling around in McCain's head is the warning that town hall audiences don't like confrontation, attacks or anything particularly nasty. So calibrating his performance Tuesday becomes especially difficult. In the first debate, McCain wouldn't even look at his younger rival. That's not really possible when the two will be less tethered to specific spots on the stage at Belmont. Can he be engaging and still engage? Town halls invite civility. That's one of the reasons McCain proposed doing a series of town halls with Obama over the summer and fall. It was, his advisers know, his hope of conducting a different kind of campaign, one in which the two nominees might even share a meal after their joint performances. McCain long has envisioned this kind of a presidential campaign, something out of the ordinary. The irony now is that, when McCain finally gets Obama on the stage for a town hall style debate, the pressure on him is to discard his traditional instincts and go after his opponent. That reality may cause McCain to be even more resentful toward Obama for rejecting what seemed like an eminently sensible proposal. But this campaign is leagues away from all that now. The other challenge for McCain is finding ways to raise the questions he wants to raise about Obama during a debate in which the all-enveloping economic crisis demands serious attention and discussion by the candidates. Obama mocked McCain's campaign advisers on Monday for suggesting they wanted to turn the page on the economic crisis and move to character issues. What McCain and his team really want is breathing room. They know the economy won't go away, but as long as the markets continue a roller coaster ride that is more down than up and the problem spreads globally, they can't easily interject anything else into the conversation. McCain can't avoid talking about it, nor does he plan to. But one of the fundamental realities of a campaign driven by fundamentals is that Democrats benefit when the economy dominates. So it would seem the deck is stacked against McCain, for Tuesday's debate and generally. But how many times has he been counted out already in this campaign? How much did Palin exceed the generally low expectations for her in last weeks' debate? How often has Obama faced questions about his own focus or strategy? Only a few debates ever rise to the category of game-changers. McCain may need something just short of that to shift the narrative back in his direction -- a winning performance or at least one that erases some of the questions that have emerged recently and that puts Obama on the defensive. McCain will have a final opportunity to engage his opponent on Oct. 15 at Hofstra University. Outside events will continue to shape perceptions. No one can predict the degree of public anxiety over the economic situation in a few weeks. Things may not change significantly for McCain but there is time for that to happen, if McCain finds the right voice. Haley Barbour, the governor or Mississippi and former chairman of the Republican National Committee, likes to say, nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems. That's what has to propel McCain at this moment.

^^adeer odoga gacmo-gaaba naga hari waa, waase la reebin ia. che, desperate times call for desperate measures.

^^I think it's on 2AM london time. October 7, 2008 McCain facing the 'crisis of his career,' Gingrich says Posted: 04:16 PM ET From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney Gingrich says McCain should come out against the bailout. (CNN) — John McCain faces the "crisis of his career," says former House Speak Newt Gingrich, who predicted the Republican nominee will lose the election unless he makes a public break from the economic bailout proposal. In a column posted on the Web site of the conservative Human Events Tuesday, Gingrich says it is impossible for McCain to catch up in the national or state polls unless he taps into the anger many Americans feel toward the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street investment banks. "If Senator McCain is not prepared to separate himself from the Bush-Paulson economic program, he has no opportunity to win," Gingrich writes. "The country is deeply fed up with the Bush presidency and angry about the Paulson bailout. If McCain is confused or uncertain about how bad this economic performance is, he will never get the country to listen to him." Gingrich is the latest prominent conservative to criticize McCain for supporting the bill, which Congress passed last week. Speaking on CNN last week, radio host Glenn Beck said the Arizona senator will lose the election over the vote: I think he lost the election — there was a moment here for somebody here to rise up as a leader," Beck said. The latest CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll confirms the majority of Americans remain deeply distrustful of the massive bailout package. According to the new survey released Tuesday, close to 60 percent say the plan will not treat taxpayers fairly, and more than half think the government will only get a little bit of the money back. More than half also said they don't think the government will spend the money properly. "Just as Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan (as well as the House Republicans in 1994 with the Contract with America) created a large argument which led to a decisive result, so McCain has an opportunity to reach beyond the daily attacks and clever tactics and spend the last 28 days of this campaign making a large argument over America's future," Gingrich, a primary author of the 1994 Contract with America, also said. But it may be impossible for McCain to publicly break with the president on the plan. The GOP nominee suspended his campaign two weeks ago to ensure the economic bailout package was passed. When he cast his vote for the bill last week, McCain said it was "significantly improved" from its original version and now included "strengthened protections and oversight" for taxpayers. Though the legislation did contain billions in earmarks, something McCain said he opposed. McCain campaign aides have since said they are aiming to turn the narrative on the campaign trail away from the country's financial woes and the unpopular economic bailout — a strategy Gingrich sharply opposes. "If McCain is prepared to declare that it is time for a fundamental change away from the failure of Bush-Paulson and away from the leftism of Obama …then he has a huge opportunity," Gingrich writes. Filed under: Barack Obama • John McCain

Obama vs. Mcain. Watch it. Report it. Comment on it.

Wrong q! You got to learn how to ask good questions. 'What's wrong with somalis?' is just silly question. As a people there is nothing wrong with somalis. Azmada ku habsatay waa arrin culus oo u baahan xal fingerpointing ka baaxad weyn...