^^loooool@Omar Jamaal. That's tellin indeed, and sheds light the instability of Duke. Xiddigo, Omer Jammaal is Duke's friend. Of course Duke things all his friends are lawyers. Adeer, we are not talking about other people's stances. We are done with that. We are talking about you. The q has been why did you support Ethiopia's invasion. Why did you celebrate when AC130 were bombing nomads in the Jubba land. Why were you festive about the destruction of your capital city? That's what we want to know. Your guilt is actually ripe. to lessen it, answer the questions. That's the start of your healing process. Dont worry about xiin!

^^Guilt is your middle name! Just like the disciples of Aydiid still living with the guilt of the expulsion of my generation, you will forever live with the terror activities of Yey. You sure need help Duke. That you dont know you need help is itself a tragedy!

^^I have an ability to pay attention to the details that matter. In this case, you gave the game away by speaking the language of the fringe in our community! Need help Duke?

Originally posted by General Duke: the agents of intolerence and ignorance talking down to people, Isn’t that something. ^^That's the snitch inside you talking! The last resort.

^^Lets discuss those 'certain issues' then yaa SOS! On the masaalix thing, lets cut to the chase brother. I would vote for a pro-choice candidate if the candidate is for recognizing ciidul fidri as a Holiday (paid holiday). That's to say the maslaxah of integrating my religious holiday overrides my mere objection of an issue i have no way of influencing it, or changing it!

lool@Ms DD BG, I think you got it. Lets have some one who's a notch higher than good Duke! He couldn't even understand the q you asked.

^^No one is excusing any wrongdoing adeer. BG’s well-formulated question exposes the counterfeit you are, Duke! You are talking about shedding Muslim blood today while you’ve been cheerleading the destruction of your cities thinking of course that would enable the part you support to govern. Soon the tanks you'v been riding will head west,and somalis will inshaa Allah come together.

Originally posted by B_G: ^^ If Islam clarified right from wrong, as you say, then which Islam allowed you(?) and many of your comrades to cheerlead for the Ethiopian occupation, and the subsequent slaughtering of Somalis, killing of Ulema, raping of women and attacks on Masjids? Or are you saying that Alshabab are worser than the "disbelievers", ie Ethiopian invaders,who occupied masajids and defecated on Allah's holy book? Perhaps, you should read the tafsir of surah that you posted yourself : Good call Dakhtarka Geela! That kind of analytical rigor is what's missing from the other side.

^^Why do you think that is? Uff!

I don't what good Malika learned in this thread. But I learned that Sayid would demote himself and go local to defend Qardho, a city he was told was great---and it was great from the prespective of the community that lived there, but NOT by any historical measure! Time to change Sayid's nick. From Sayid Somal, to Sayid Qardho ! We still love Sayid though.

Nice!

^^Look what your daring have done to Pujah--narating the Utange Jinni tales. I was there too, and remember this guy who used to make money by talking to these Jinnis inside sisters, mostly! And that is just the begining. Nuunka, saaxiib lafahaygaan u baqaybee.

Welcome back brother SOS! On my stance of Muslims participating and perhaps shaping the affairs of the countries they live in, perhaps I have poorly phrased it. What I meant to highlight was that Allah does not create pure evil. What that means is things may have beneficial aspects, which, if we commit the time to explore, may positively benefit us. As I have been saying for some time now the essence of siyaasah sharciyah in Islam is the concept of masaalix wa mafaasid! Hence Muslims communities scattered in West should consider their overriding masaalix to preserve their identity. To do that, they should not base their stance on a one single issue. The world is more complex than that! Don’t even mind my explanation. Enlighten us the things you think I am missing brother. I would not try to defend a point of view. Rather I would try my best to learn!

Originally posted by nuune: I haven't met any Jinni ladies, but got almost encountered with group of Jinnis talkin load in da middle of nowehere, ^^Are you serious Nuunka?

Belo! xaji NG na mala helay !

The caravan has arrived. Hope for the thirsty nomads not to fight over the goods it carries. By the way, where’s the brother who thought Jabbuuti caravan would never arrive? I am talking about the Miyyi man who in his lame attempt to defend the status quo the only critique he could muster against Jabbuuti deal was it would take too long to materialize. Well it’s materializing now. Will ye come out and support it now yaa wiil Miyyi? What Sharif is doing is both bold and radical. Bold because it departs from the policy of indecision, which many a knowledgeable sheikhs are inflected with. Radical because of what it proposes is so fundamental that many of us would not fathom and support it a year ago. That, my friends, is the leadership quality this Sheikh posses. Some one asked whether Sharif would resign from the ARS post he now holds. If the rumor mill is to be believed this man will be in the next transitional government to sooth the wound of the civil war. Perhaps he will head it. I don't know. Feels good though.

This may not be true!

^^I hear you Baashi! As I said I am realistic enough not to expect much from Obama presidency in terms of making changes that are required! Even IF he wants to change things, the American system and its entrenched foreign policy elites are robust enough to withstand and push back whatever changes he may attempt to make. History is made nevertheless. That, we should all acknowledge.

Maxkamada oo ciidamo qoraaya Saraakiil ka tirsan Maxkamadaha Islaamka ayaa ka bilaabay gobolada dalka inay qoraan ciidamo cusub, kuwaasoo la sheegay in lagu darayo ciidamada DF, si ay u hantaan amaanka guud ee Muqdisho. Ciidamadan ayaa lagu wadaa in tababar lagu soo siiyo dalka dibadiisa, sida ay Garowe Online u sheegeen saraakiil sarsare oo ka tirsan Maxkamadaha, waxayse ka gaabsadeen xiliga la qaadi doono. Madaxa siyaasada Gobolada ee Ururka Al-shabaab Sheekh Xuseen Fiidoow ayaa hore uga digay ciidamo la sheegay in la qorayo, isagoo aan xusin cida ciidamadaas qoraysa, wuxuuse muujiyay walaaca uu ka qabo arintan. "Ciidamada waxaa laga qorayaa dhamaan gobolada dalka, waxayna la wareegi doonaan sugida amaanka, waana 10,000 askari, qaarkood ayaa la geyn doonaa gobolada dalka" sidaa waxaa u sheegay Garowe Online sarkaal ka tirsan Maxkamadaha. Goobaha sida weyn ciidamada looga qorayo ayaa waxaa ka mid ah Magaalada Muqdisho, waxaana jira tiro dhalinyaro ah oo ku qulqulaya halka lagu qoray ciidamadan. Heshiiskii lagu gaaray dalka Jabuuti ee u dhexeeyay DF iyo ARS-Jabuuti ayaa dhigayay in la sameeyo ciidamo isku dhaf ah, kuwaasoo sugaya amaanka guud ee Magaalada Muqdisho. Mas'uul u hadlay Al-shabaab oo isaguna magaciisa qariyay ayaa sheegay inay walaac aad u xoogan ka qabaan ciidamada ay qorayaan Maxkmadaha, kuwaasoo lagu biirinayo ciidamada DF. Heshiiskii ay DF iyo ARS-Jabuuti ku gaareen dalka Jabuuti ayaa waxaa ka biyo diidan kooxo ay ka mid yihiin: Al-shabaab, ARS garabka Eritrea ee taageersan Sheekh Xasan Daahir, Kooxda Raaskambooni iyo kuwo kale.

BOB shineemadii Kismayyo uu Muuse Boqor ku khalday .

lool@labada midab kay yihiin! The generation of my ayyeeyo is long gone! Baashi,in a more serious note though I don’t understand those who somehow deny the history Obama made. Neither do I understand those who live in the West, as you and I do, yet refuse to participate the political process. Few years ago I had a heated discussion with a brother who thought getting a citizenship was a Haram! I have seen brothers who pay taxes, and are invested in the community they live in as much as any one else, yet take lightly the power of voting and participating in the process that determines the authority they so rely on. It just does not add up! The notion of basing your decision on one single issue say like foreign policy and ignoring all other issues is just Islamicly unfounded. Since when Muslims become a one-issue group, I ask? Many Muslims don’t know their history. They don’t know how this beautiful message propagated across cotenants. Islamic songs and ad hoc Jihadi movies had sadly blurred and at times replaced the primary means by which this great religion rose. How did Indonesia turned from a pagan and disconnected communities scattered over isolated islands into the cohesive and thriving Muslim community it’s today? How did a nomadic Somalia turned from pagan clans it once was and become the epitome of East Africa’s Islam? Whoever thinks these great milestones were achieved by crude force and without some level of integration is wrong. I think a lot of Muslims tend to underestimate the power of integration, and what Muslims could be within the community they live in. It was ironic that the day my Egyptian friend congratulated me about their achievement of securing a prayer hall where Friday khutbas could be held in one of Minnesota Malls, I read the news about the destruction of Kismayo church. A church last time I was in, that was home for internally displaced families from Xamar! Cakku! What Muslims need today is some one, like Obama, oon cuqdad iyo ciil qabin. Anytime the media does its exposés’ on Obama, I found it useful to know more about this man’s circles. When Rashid Khalidi, a man I immensely admire, was identified as Obama’s friend it strengthened my hunch that this man would not be your typical American president. That’s not to say he will drastically change America’s foreign policy or lessen the anti Muslim prejudice out there. But certainly he is no Christian Zionist, like Tom Delay of Texas, neither is he Neocon influenced like Bush. Back to the historical nature of Obama’s election! My son told me that he watched Obam’s biography on Youtube with his Mom. He noticed his middle name is a Muslim. He suspected his first name may be a Muslim too, a caprice of his to which I have contentedly confirmed. And that is no small feat for a Muslim third grader growing up in America. Waan Obaamaysannahay awoowe!

^^Here is the text of the above article. I voted for the man. The middle name does it for me. It's history on so many levels Baashi. ============================================ New Yorker: President Barack Hussein Obama This election's results will take years to play out, more to be understood THE TALK OF THE TOWN By Hendrik Hertzberg The New Yorker At the Times, it is house style to refer to a successful Presidential nominee by his full name in the lead of the main story the morning after the election. He may be Bill or Jimmy on his campaign posters, but in the newspaper of record on that one momentous occasion he is William Jefferson or James Earl, Jr. So say it loud and say it proud: Barack Hussein Obama, President-elect of the United States. Of the United States of America, as he himself liked to say on the stump—always, it seemed, with a touch of awe at the grandeur and improbability of it all. Barack Hussein Obama: last week, sixty-five million Americans turned a liability—a moniker so politically inflammatory that the full recitation of it was considered foul play—into a global diplomatic asset, a symbol of the resurgence of America’s ability to astonish and inspire. In the Convention keynote speech that made him instantly famous four years ago, Obama called himself “a skinny kid with a funny name.” Funny? Not really. “Millard Fillmore”—now, that’s funny. The Times contented itself with referring to the candidate’s “unusual name.” Unusual? Unusual would be, say, “Dwight D. Eisenhower.” Ten weeks from now, the President of the United States will be a person whose first name is a Swahili word derived from the Arabic (it means “blessing”), whose middle name is that not only of a grandson of the Prophet Muhammad but also of the original target of an ongoing American war, and whose last name rhymes nicely with “Osama.” That’s not a name, it’s a catastrophe, at least in American politics. Or ought to have been. Yet Barack Obama won, and won big. Democrats have now achieved pluralities in four of the last five Presidential elections. But Obama’s popular vote was an outright majority—a little more than fifty-two per cent, at the latest reckoning—and the largest share for a nominee of his party since Lyndon Johnson’s in 1964. Obama made significant gains compared with John Kerry, four years ago, in nearly every category that exit polls record: black folks but also white folks; liberals but also conservatives; women but also men. His gains were especially striking among Latinos, the very poor and the very well-off, Catholics and the unchurched, and the two groups most likely to be concerned about the future—young people and the parents of children living at home. And although the Obama wave does not seem to have brought with it a filibuster-proof Senate, it did sweep into office enough new members of both houses of Congress to offer him the hope of a governing legislative majority. This election was so extraordinary in so many ways that its meaning will take many years to play out and many more to be understood. But there is already the feel of the beginning of a new era. As in 1932 and 1980, a crisis in the economy opened the way for the rejection of a reigning approach to government and the forging of a new one. Emphatically, comprehensively, the public has turned against conservatism at home and neoconservatism abroad. The faith that unfettered markets and minimal taxes on the rich will solve every domestic problem, and that unilateral arrogance and American arms will solve every foreign one, is dead for a generation or more. And the electoral strategy of “cultural” resentment and fake populism has been dealt a grievous blow. Obama is young, educated, focussed, reassuring, and energetic. He is as accomplished a writer as he is a speaker. His campaign was a marvel of discipline, organization, and prescience. He has, as a conservative critic acknowledged, “a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament.” We have had these qualities in our Presidents before, if rarely all in the same person. But Obama’s most visible attribute, the only one mentioned in that Times lead, is unique, even revolutionary: the color of his skin. As surely as Appomattox, the post-Civil War constitutional amendments, Brown v. Board of Education, and the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts of the nineteen-sixties, Obama’s election is a giant victory in the long struggle against what an earlier generation of Republicans called the Slave Power and its long legacy of exclusion and hate. During the campaign, Obama’s “exoticism”—both real (his childhood in Jakarta) and imagined (“he’s a Muslim”)—served bigots as a cover for racism. But it was a shield as well as a vulnerability. It set him apart from the stereotypes of racial prejudice. It broadened rather than narrowed his “otherness.” His absent father was Kenyan; if the son’s line of descent includes American slaves, they are hidden on his mother’s side, as they are in the lineage of myriads of this country’s white citizens. His upbringing in his mother’s far-flung world and the polyglot Hawaii of his white grandparents gave him the perspective of both an outsider and an insider. His search for identity—the subject of his book “Dreams from My Father,” now assured of a place in the American literary canon—made him a profound student of the American dilemma. In his Philadelphia speech of March 18, 2008, prompted by the firestorm over his former pastor, he treated the American people as adults capable of complex thinking—as his equals, you might say. But what made that speech special, what enabled it to save his candidacy, was its analytic power. It was not defensive. It did not overcompensate. In its combination of objectivity and empathy, it persuaded Americans of all colors that he understood them. In return, they have voted to make him their President. A generation ago, few people anywhere imagined that they would witness the dissolution of Soviet totalitarianism, or the inauguration of Nelson Mandela as President of a multiracial South African democracy, or the transformation of China into a fearsome engine of capitalist commerce. Nor did Americans of an age to remember Selma and Montgomery and Memphis imagine that they would live to see an African-American elected President of the United States. It has happened. No doubt there will be disappointments and difficulties ahead; there always are. But a few months from now a blue-and-white Boeing 747 emblazoned UNITED STATES OF AMERICA will touch down on a tarmac somewhere in Europe or Asia or Africa, the door will open, and out will step Barack and Michelle Obama. That is something to look forward to.

^^ No it was not! I think Ina Cusman had his seat in a different city!

^^You dont know th history of xiinfaniin adeer. That faras went to Mudugh valley, and not the insignificant Qardho . edit: Besides, ka hadli mayn cidda xiinfaniin lagu sharfay, ee waxaan ka hadlay farqiga Taleex & Qardho!

Taleex was a historic settlement. It was the seat of Sayid Mohamed’s darwish movement. Qardho on the other hand is no such thing; it just happens to be located between Bosaso and Garoowe! With all due respect to brother Sayid, meesha laamiga mara! It’s good Somali magaalo though---it just pales in comparison with Taleex!