Ina baro, add che to the list of entities, dead or alive, that recognized somaliland marka

Hadal qoraal ah oo gab gabdii fadhigaasi laga soo saaray ayaa lagu sheegay in ay wasiiradu isku raaceen in talaabooyin dhanka safarka iyo dhaqaalaha lagu soo rago cidii loo arkaa in ay ku lug leeyihiin cuuryaaminta wadahadaladii wadanka Jabuuti iyo sidii dowlada KMG ay ugu shaqeyn laheeyd hanaan nabadeed. ^^The arrival of the caravan is key to peace and stability in the region! Shan midh lihii xaskuu galay markii shiinka loo rogay Isku sheega yaan biyyo fatalaq shiinka loo geline'e

Originally posted by Suldaanka: aniga ayaan doondoonin; oo gabaygu daaqad ii yaal; sidii daahi maradiiye ... waar ma wadaa I spotted a deel qaaf already!

Originally posted by S.O.S: Some of the certain issues; Do you believe like I do that the dominant features of our behavioural culture are based on the Reer Baadiyye tradition? If you do not ascribe to that hypothesis, what are your major points of contention? If you do ascribe to the Reer-Baadiyye-hypothesis, how then do you propose to establish peace in Somalia without unity? Given the fact that historically observed Reer Baadiyye have collectively only united on two opposing matters of, either Jahiliyyah or guidedence –and let's say you're, or to your credit at least come across that way, a propagator of unity, do you hold the view that we should seek unity by means of Jahiliyyah methodology (compromise or no compromise)? If you're proposing to achieve unity between us on the basis of religious subservience, would that entail identity before unity or unity before identity? Enjoy your meat Many thanks brother SOS. It was a good read! Now let me say, that unity, i believe, is a sacred concept. But it’s a very fragile one and can easily be violated. Now, on your first question, I do agree with you that Somalis are by and large reer miyyi people. We have plenty of things to cite to prove that general point! On the second question, some istifsaal is in order before I comment on it. What do you mean by ‘Jahiliyyah methodology’ in the Somali context? What is ‘religious subservience’? A quick explanation of those two terms would suffice!

Dowladda Itoobiya oo sheegtay in aysan diyaar u ahayn in ay Ciidamadeeda naftooda u huraan difaacidda Dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliya

^^You only forgot to add one important beyt! Inaad tiraahday ahayd Ayyoubow: Deellayda aan shubay Waxaan soo dacaaftumay Marka laysku soo daro Daakhilkooda loo tago Hoos loogusii dego Dun lifaaqu jabanyahay Nin daciifa hadalkii Ayyey Daabaceed tahay! Markaasaan ka qabtay illeen waa Ayyoube ! ps...iska seexo oo mar danbe ha heesin adeer!

^^oh! so there is a credibility issue with xiin as far as this caravan goes? Here it's from the horse's mouth as it were: The United States government remains committedhope for bringing peace to Somalia. We look forward to continued cooperation between the Transitional Federal Government and the Alliance for the Re-Liberation of Somalia in advancing the peace process. We urge all parties to the Djibouti Agreement to put aside their differences in order to establish a unity government and a new Cabinet. A power struggle at this point does not serve Somalia’s interests. It is essential that a process that has the potential to end the violence that has so long plagued Somalia not be interrupted. We urge all factions not yet party to the Djibouti Agreement to cease their hostilities and sign on to the process for the good of all the Somali people. Source: US Embassy, Nairobi, Kenya

Oodka, Considering your previous analysis of the possibility of dialogue between Shariff and tfg, I am afraid we may have to leave it there and see how it all comes to pass…

^^Adeer, my foot is firmly grounded. This little drama we are having will pass. But the jabbuuti caravan has made its mark. It's new politics. Listen what Nur Cadde had to say about the source of this latest drama...

^^The situation is fluid, to be sure! But from what I can tell, the fundamental political arrangements are still in place. TFG is there and despite the current drama, the forces that backed her are still riding on her. There could be few cosmetic changes here and there, but its political framework I think will survive the storm. ICU is still here. Brave and bold. In the leadership of Sharif, the peace process is making progress. In fact, I can argue it’s the arrival of Jabbuuti caravan that’s shaking things up and making some old goons act funny. Alshabaab knows the drill. But when all is said and done, they will still be alshabaab, a groups whose political objectives are starkly different than what most Somalis are looking for today. They have global ambitions while their local politics is not firmly established. So nuune, the drama sounds great, but the fundamentals for success or failure for that matter are still intact.

^^I acknowledge your sincere effort. But what you hazarded above is more egregious than the infamous suugaaan homicide our Aw Tusbaxle was found guilty off. This is a premeditated murder !

^^Jinku wuxuu galaa meel insugu gooyey waa hore'e Gabayada aad tirinayso iyo waxaad gufaacayso wax ma garadku wuxuu moodayyaa gacalo hoosaade Gacmahii walaalaha ahaa adaa gooyey waa hore Haddaad gooni joogow dalkii goonyar ka istaagtay Gurmadkaad haddeer doonaysaa sow gol maran maaha ? Markaasaan ka daayey !

^^looooool@kismayonews.com Malika Alla ku jecliyyaa, you always have this tendency of bringing your timely intervention to bear nad sound the bells of truth! Aw Tusbaxle, a man I love and respect, is sounding like a preferred shareholder of Somalia’s violence!

^Kashafa balaaya u warranta. I have not seen any other news portal, even clannish ones, reporting this!

AMISOM oo badalysa Ethiopia Kuliyadii hore Jaalle Siyaad oo ku dhow Wasaarada Gaashaandhiga ayaa noqotay saldhig cusub oo ay ciidamada Burundi oo ka tirsan kuwa AMISOM ka dagaan Magaalada Muqdisho. Gen. Nyayangura Javanol oo ah taliyaha ciidamada Burundi ee Muqdisho ku sugan ayaa sheegay in talaabadan ay qayb ka tahay hirgelinta heshiiskii ay DF iyo ARS ku gaareen dalka Jabuuti. Ciidamadan dagay kuliyadii Jaalle siyaad ayaa waxay wataan gaadiid dagaal, iyagoo bilaabay inay wadada dheer ee warshadaha ku koontaroolaan gaadiidka halkaas maraya. "Waxaan ciidamo geytay kuliyadii Jaalle Siyaad, waxayna talaabadan qayb tahay sidii aan ku dhaqangelin lahayn heshiiskii Jabuuti oo dhigayay inaan la wareegno saldhigyada ay ka guuraan ciidamada Ethiopia" ayuu yiri Gen. Nyayangura Javanol. DF iyo ARS ayaa ku gaaray dalka Jabuuti heshiis qodobadiisu ay ka mid ahaayeen in ciidmada Ethiopia ay mudo bil ah kaga baxaan goobaha ay rayidku dagan yihiin, ayna goobahaas la wareegaan ciiidamo la isku dhafay iyo kuwa AMISOM. "Ciidamadeenu waxay la wareegi doonaan wasaaradii gaashaandhiga, waayo heshiiskii Jabuuti ayaa sidaas dhigayay" ayuu mar kale yiri Gen. Nyayangura oo la hadlay warbaahinta. Sidoo kale Gen. Javanol, wuxuu sheegay in saldhigyo cusub ay dajin doonaan maalmaha soo socda ciidamadooda, isagoo diiday inuu shaaciyo saldhigyadaas halka ay ku yaalaan. Goobjoogayaal ayaa inoo xaqiijiyay in ciidamada Ethiopia ee ku jira Wasaarada Gaashaandhiga ay wadaan dhaqdhaqaayo ciidan oo u muuqda inay halkaas kaga baxayaan. Garowe Online, Muqdisho

^^You didn't answer the q, Aw Tusbaxle? ^Why is that ?

Serioulsy, why do you think your side of the muqaawamah are in agreement with this ailing man called Ina Yusuf to continue this fight ilaa lakala adkaado? Perhaps, it's lack of imagination.

^^if you cant imagine 'what's next'! Waad fasaxantahay adeer!

^^Good read yaa Shams! Waiting for the finale....

^^A & T, give me an alternative Kashafa, I do not like this sword you are wielding. But assume that your alshabaab boys win decisively in the southern theatre. March forward well into the near future, brother. Paint for us what will have to happen for Somalia to come back up again. Ayoub, Your concern of the caravan becoming another political alliance that could possibly continue the civil war instead of ending it is well considered. But at this point in time that remains a mere speculation. Al shabaabs are not part of this caravan simply because they refused to participate on the basis of Ethiopia’s presence on Somali soil. If Ethiopia is made to withdraw, and Alshabaabs continue the violence, they will be ineffective in their effort to derail this caravan’s progress. More importantly though, once Ethiopia withdraws, these jihadi slogans will subside and the youths will have to declare their political agenda for Somalia and the means to achieve it. In any rate, I do not foresee an all out war between the new alliance and alshabaabs. Oodweyne, Thanks for answering my questions. If you could only consider the forces behind tfg arrangement and see beyond its façade and the Somali actors that come to represent it, you would understand where I am going with this salvage value I keep talking about. But only if you could…

Forward-march through the fog

Uncle Sam sides with Nur Cadde Press Release Monday, November 17, 2008 The United States government remains committed to the Djibouti Agreement, which we view as the best hope for bringing peace to Somalia. We look forward to continued cooperation between the Transitional Federal Government and the Alliance for the Re-Liberation of Somalia in advancing the peace process. We urge all parties to the Djibouti Agreement to put aside their differences in order to establish a unity government and a new Cabinet. A power struggle at this point does not serve Somalia’s interests. It is essential that a process that has the potential to end the violence that has so long plagued Somalia not be interrupted. We urge all factions not yet party to the Djibouti Agreement to cease their hostilities and sign on to the process for the good of all the Somali people. Source: US Embassy, Nairobi, Kenya

^^Waryaa ***** masoo jeeda caawa? As for energy and striking ur words, what does Duke The ***** know ! Originally posted by General Duke: Xiin, I don’t actually get mad at folks who are as confused as you seem to have been these two past days. You was once a heavy weight in the premier league now you find yourself languishing in the semis. Now no matter how many times you fume and you go mad and copy my words and use up energy crossing the lines after reading them religiously. I aint mad at ya. No matter how many poets you recite and I liked the Galkacyu touch, nice, any from the East End of London mate? Adeer the central argument here is not about you and I, its not personal and beyond our own individual selves, this is about missing youths and a network that took them from their parents. This is about upholding the law, giving evidence to help with solving crimes close to many of our communities members hearts. You are talking like a hoodlum rapper using nosical slogans like “dont snitch” how did you think this would face a grown man who knows right from wrong? Adeer I prefer Yes we can solve these crimes and stop them and clean home. Its laughable that your anger has not subsided even with all the hints given to you by so many people here, they tell you stop. Why because you are losing the plot, you are clinging on in defeat. Its Like a scene from Rocky 4, Appolo Creed is getting the daylights knocked out of him by Drago the big Russian and all he does is come forward . Brave indeed, noble maybe but he ended up dead. Old man you lost because you did not have the skills nor the temperament to go up against a seasoned soldier like the Duke. Rants don’t hold much water, I hope you was just paranoid for no reason and got confused with the Duke shuffle, and thought you could score a quick point or two. I hope and deep down I wish you have nothing to do with this. In no way think that roughing you up was against your real person from what I know you are a good man. I was just beating Xiin the crazy horse in SOL. And if you want we can continue, anyhow must dash. Duke, Xiin’s Kinsmen and no need to snitch on him, he knows nothing… Dukey, we are still waiting the report! The story of marfishs and the powers they have to snitch and arrest. Also you did not tell us how your ****** trip to Minneapolis mosques go. And what is this kinsmen you are talking about? I thought you was The ****** vs. xiin was the terrorist! [ November 15, 2008, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Originally posted by Kashafa: We shall see how it goes. I think we all know whatever Tol militia rabble Mr. Ahmed is able to gather will be no match for the battle-hardened veterans of Iidaale, Daynoonay, and Diinsoor. If I were a peacenik, I would not be issuing booto.com hanjabaad like Cumar Xaashi did earlier this week. Kashafa, I was gonna go Tahafut al Tahafut ala Ibnu Rushdi on you and expose the fallacies involved in your argument against this caravan! But it is not worth the effort. We have been there before. Despite your best intention, your argument for supporting the bloodletting and infighting between Muslim Somalis renders you the ignorant albeit intelligent you are! Sharif, or rabble Mr. Ahmed as you called him, is neither heretic nor unbeliever. The peace process he entered and continues to flesh out as I type these words away is primarily meant to achieve two things: ensure the withdrawal of Ethiopia from our soil and bridge the gap between Somalis to lessen the political divisions amongst our people. Those who are resolved to misunderstand this good man, for whatever reason, like you undercut their argument in their failure to propose any viable alternative to his. You have no strategy to solve the Somali problem. What you are espousing is not different than what strong men in the height of Somali civil war espoused. It can be summarized in two words Ha La Isdillo , or in Aw Tusbaxle’s regressive term Hala kala adkaado. And that my good brother is the essence of warlordsm! It will fail, as it failed yesterday! Good Aw Tusbaxle knows it. Being the analyst he is, Aw Tusbaxle knows that even if the good Sharif’s approach is aborted and alshabaab’s fighters prevail, the Somali civil war will continue with new magnitude! All in all, Sharif is fallible as all mortals are. He could fail, and what he thinks is the best approach may not work. But by trying it, with the remarkable bravery he has thus far shown, history will, Inshaa Allah, preserve his name in the years to come! As for Oodweyne and Ayyoubka, Adeerayyaal, I have two simple questions for you: 1) Is TFG part of Somali conflict? If yes, do you see any value in sitting down with its leaders? 2) What’s wrong (theologically, politically, etc) with forming a unity government that encompasses both current TFG and the group led by Sharif? FG: == I asked the other day the second question above a brother who was foaming with anger at the prospect of such scenario! After I reminded him that Farax Macallin a Somali Kenyan politician whom we welcomed to Minneapolis holds high position within Kenyan parliament, a entity that’s indisputably Christian and secular! Yet we both agreed the value such arrangement has for the community the said Farax represents. It turned out his opposition against Sharif’s group entering a deal with TFG is based on anger and emotion rather than well thought-out, sound argument. Akhiiran ,lets not go the route good Ayyoub and Oodweyne seem to be going toward! Namely, lets not reduce the whole caravan argument to this seemingly cuqdad that says xiin is reer hebel so he suports this caravan thing to save ina Yey's **! That my friends is no good! Not to mention it would make the whole argument childish. If any of you are interested childish argument there is a running thread dedicated for that. Xagga iskugu kaayya keenna

^^Ii kaalay next Monday! If I survive Duke The Snitch, we shall put this to bed! Deal or no deal, Oodka ? G'nite!