^^Barre is very interesting character. he sounds a bit credible when he talks through the airwaves. Warlrods never cease to amaze indeed.

Some one told me Horseedmedia.net will broadcast live feeds. check it and let me know.

Waryee Duke where can i watch the election tonight?

read the news ya revisionist! Farax B is better than you. ============================================== Odayaasha Beelaha ****** oo ku eedeeyay Itoobiya in ay ka baxday ballantii ahayd in ay Ciidamadeeda kala baxeyso Soomaaliya Arbaco, January 07, 2009(HOL): Odayaasha Dhaqanka iyo Midnimada Beelaha ****** ayaa maanta shaaca ka qaaday in Dowladda Itoobiya ay ka baxday ballanqaadkeedi ahaa in ay Ciidamadeeda kala baxeyso Soomaaliya. Guddoomiyaha Golaha Dhaqanka iyo Midnimada Beelaha ****** Maxamed Xasan Xaad ayaa sheegay in ay dadka Soomaaliyeed quud-dareynayeen in ay Itoobiya Ciidamadeeda kala baxdo Soomaaliya, hayeeshee aysan taasi dhicin. “Dowladda Itoobiya mudadii ay qabsatay in ay ciidamadeeda kala baxeyso Soomaaliya waa laga gudbay, hadana waxay dagaallo ka waddaa gobollo ka tirsan Soomaaliya, taasina waxay noo muujineysa in Itoobiya aysan rabin in ay Ciidamadeeda kala baxdo Soomaaliya”ayuu yiri Maxamed Xasan Xaad. Guddoomiyaha Golaha Dhaqanka iyo Midnimada Beelaha ****** waxaa uu sheegay in ay ku baaqayaan in ay Itoobiya Ciidamadeeda kala baxdo Soomaaliya, sidoo kalena ay Ciidamada kale ee shisheeye ka baxaan, “Soomaaliya uma baahna Ciidamo shisheeye, dhibaatana waxaa ugu filan middii ay u geysteen Dadka Soomaaliyeed Ciidamada Shisheeye ee haatan ku sugan”ayuu mar kale yiri Maxamed Xasan Xaad. 5-tii bishan ayay ku beegneyd mudadii ay Dowladda Itoobiya u qabsatay in ay Ciidamadeeda kala baxeyso Soomaaliya, balse waxaa muuqaneysa in Dowladda aysan weli diyaar u ahayn in ay Ciidamadeeda kala baxdo Soomaaliya. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online

NG, Aw Tusbaxle’s argument is very simple and concise. The dominant clan is for secession. He dos not dispute that apparent fact. But there are regions in Somaliland whose silent majority vehemently opposes the dominant clan’s secessionist agenda. Some of those regions have violently objected and their status is well known. Others chose to wait it out. Yet the lack of enthusiasm for secession in those parts is easily detectable and obvious to all who care to observe. You say it does not matter, as long they are weak and politically fragile. He says it does matter today, as it will in the future. In Milk Lakes, it mattered yesterday. You say some of them voted and politicians from those regions hold important positions in my country’s highest offices. He says that’s not a good gauge in Somali politics. Clan association is. You say, again, it does not matter because my leaders can go to those towns and give rousing speeches with no trouble. He says you are gullible to believe such nonsense. When politically enabled, politicians can give speeches to audiences however hostile those audiences may be to the very policies espoused. He gave you vivid examples. You say, as you always do, stuff and nonsense. He says you don’t understand. You say what is there to understand. It’s very simple: we rule and you grumble. He says it’s this very sentiment that could grow into active resistance when things change in the south. You say, you are delusional; things in the south will never change. And if they do it will be too late to have any effect in my neck of the wood. He says, war hoy xoogaaga nabadda ah ha iska daadin . You say me no understand Somali, speak English please. He says you don’t understand Somali politics either. You say: Uskut yaa xalluufi al saghir . NOTE Aw Tusbaxle waa nin waalan wax alla waxaan qoray inuu beri ka noqdo baa suura gal ah.

Incompetence & Sharif in the same sentence? War maad nadaysaan ha na danbaajininnee

^^War ma NGONGE baa kuu tarjumey ?

Originally posted by The Useful Demagogue: Ayoub with all that wisodm of yours, do you judge the popularity of an issue in Somalia by the number of crowds????? Thousand used to listen to General Morgan and Gani in Hargeisa. Were they all supporters? Anyway, I bet if an anti-SL politician from Awdal calls for a rally equal number or more will march into the streets. The fact is, however primordial it sounds, the issue of secession in Northern Somalia is being persued by a Single clan. Cohorts can always be found. Ilka xanaf and Buuba are in Baidoa but we know their constituency don't back their agenda. And please it does not need scientifc research or statistical methods to know the stance of clans in Somalia. Let us be honest. I know Somaliland inside out. Alxikmatu min afwaahil majaaniin baan maqli jirey! Four logically constructed short paragraphs there. Come out yaa secessionists and engage the man. Of course I am excluding Qudhac and Oodweyne, and Xaajiga . Those are bello laysku soo diray, wax ma galaan .

wax waalan We’ll never abandon the notion of reconciling divided Somalis. We are convinced that it’s the division among Somalis that’s causing this mayhem and giving the enemy the advantage it has. What we supported in the form of Jabbuuti Peace Caravan may or may not work. But trying it was not wrong. I wish I could nail that manifesto in Aw Tusbaxle’s head. Barre’s tailgate of Ethiopian tanks, and AbdiWaal’s Ahlusunnah nonsense will be ineffective. All eyes are on Nure and Madoobe, and what they do next. If they indorse the apparent reemergence of warlords, then Sharif alone wouldn’t hold to a broken agreement. If they however start implementing what was agreed, starting diluting the corrupt parliament and electing competent President and PM, then the caravan imperfect as it may be will make a progress. And that’s the last word.

war dadku su aaala xumaa? Midda kale maah-maah baa jirta.muhiim ah. nin weyni meeshuu ku qoyyuu ku qalalsadaa Caruurta yar yarka ah baa wax tir tirsida oo hadba iska yaac yaaca ee ka hara gabadha

Waryee Jacayl, GD amxaaradi nacyaye ma la is qasbayyaa adeer. Aday kugu hartay bahashu, I have seen your FM not only braising them but also supplicating his god for their wellbeing.

Waryee Duke sidii odogu u tagay ba tfg waa dead baa kaasoo hartay ninyahow . Seriously though, how the two pricipal behave will make or break the tfg. Ethiopia is there to ruin for us, that is a fact, but there was a new momentum when the old man resigned and the jabbuuti deal was accepted by the parliament. They need to reaffirm the jabbuuti agreement. They need to denounce current warlord crowning happening in both galgaduud and gedo. the sooner they do that the better the prospect will be... I agree with you however if the current monueverings are what Ethiopia is embracing as a new strategy, there wont be a tfg to speak of soon. Where does that leave somalia?

Somalipride, since you are Garroowe, is it true that the old man is campaigning for General Ilka jiir? How does Saleeman's drop from the contest for the top seat factor in? If the General prevails, how can the vp slot be fitted in the political matrix without angering one group i.e. how will he be able to compensate the other two major blokcs of PL since the Parlaiment's top seat has been taken by a man from Goldogob? Interesting election indeed.

^^Sadly that seems to be what Ethiopia is aiming at. Ethiopia is desperately trying to establish a foothold in the south before it withdraws teh bulk of its troops. But as it couldn't do it in Xamar, it will be unlikely for them to do it in Gedo or Bay, or Kismayo for that matter. If Jabbuuti arrangement is not honored, Alshabaab will gain new momentum, not the opposite. And that will kill the tfg as we know it. Yesterday Sharif's side has issued this warning . Lets see if good Nur and Madoobe fellow take note.

If this report is any near the truth, Ethiopia's strategy to nullify Jabbuuti deal is failing. ========================================== Xoogaga Al Shabaab oo dib u qabsaday degmooyin ka tirsan gobolada Bay iyo Gedo oo shalay ay galeen ciidamada Itoobiya iyo maleeshiyo Somali ah Wararka naga soo gaaraya gobolada Bay iyo Gedo ee dalka Somalia ayaa waxay sheegayaan in qaar ka mid ah degmooyinka hoos yimaada labadaasi gobol ay dib ugu laabteen xoogaga hubeysan ee Al Shabaab ka dib markii ay xalay ka baxeen ciidamo Itoobiyaan ah iyo maleeshiyo Somali ah oo ay hogaaminayan xildhibaano ka tirsan baarlamanka oo ka soo jeeda beesha *****. Degnmooyinka ay dib ugu laabteen xoogaga Al Shabaab ka dib markii ay ka baxeen ciidamada Itoobiya iyo maleeshiyada ay gelbinayeen ayaa waxaa ka mid ah degmooyinka Garbaharey, Buur dhuubo iyo B/xaawo oo ka tirsan gobolka Gedo iyo degmada Ufurow oo ka tirsan gobolka Bay. Sida warku sheegayo ciidamada Itoobiya ee gelbinayey maleeshiyada Somalida ah ee hogaaminayaan xildhibaano ka tirsan baarlamanka Somalia ayaa ka dhaqaaqay xalay degmooyinka ay dib ugu laabteen maanta xoogaga Al Shabaab, iyagoo ku wajahnaa degmada Baardheere oo saaka waaberigii ay gaareen, iyadoo wararku ay sheegayaan iney uga sii gudbi doonaan magaalo xeebeedka Kismaayo oo ay gacanta ku hayaan xoogaga islaamiyiinta ah oo bilo ka hor xoog uga qabsaday Col Barre Hiiraale iyo maleeshiyadiisa.

^^Funny you say that because it was in the name of realistic strategy that we embraced the Jabbuuti caravan adeer. We tamed our pride to get things done however modesty. But I wonder as to where did you get the impression that caravan could never fail. You must have mistaken our insistence on it being the only alternative we have to make peace among Somalis as a cult like conviction of sort. Lest I confuse you, the caravan has not failed yet. In fact, it could be argued that it has shaken off the tree and had the old man as its first casualty. But evicting the old man was not what we were after; we were after peace and stability which eluded us in the last two decades. The situation is very fluid now but if the rumors are anythng to go by, things will settle down soon, and Jabbuuti side will make a progress---for Somalis that is. Watch the caravan thread adeer!

I doubt it.

lool@Strategic retreat. Actually I mean what i said. Sharif's approach was noble in spirit, and practical in where real politik is concern. But he was, and still is, one part of this pact. TFG and Ethiopia represented other part. If indeed Ethiopia decides to stay in, that approach will fail, and the alshabaabs way will be legitimized as the only way to go about changing things.

Aw Tuxbaxle, As I said many times Sharif’s success will depend on how the Jabbuuti pact is honored. If Ethiopia refuses to withdraw, and Nur and co start ignoring the major clauses in the Jabbuuti agreement, then Xiins caravan would fail. The situation is very fluid at the moment and these maneuverings (Barre coming to Bardhere, and Abdiwaal claiming Ceel Buur) may not mean much. The twp principal leaders of the current tfg are in Nairobi. Lets watch their next move. There is also another strategy at play here, and that is that Ethiopia is trying to open as many fronts as possible to lure alshabaab away from the big price that is vacated Xamar. Alshabaab understands that and it may not play that game right now; they have the luxury of time on their side. But what this could do is to jeopardize the survival of the tfg entity after the old man’s resignation as it may set certain regions ablaze i.e. Gedo, some parts of Bakool, and central regions including Hiiraan. So guys lets not jump the gun here, and inject our biases into what’s already a very fluid situation.

Sangub is very interesting charater. Of course as a poet he lives in a contradictory life, and his line of work involves controversial matters. He once sat in on a fadhi ku dirir discussion in one of Minneapolis’s coffee shops. Observing how people are passionate about their clans, he told the following story: I come to Xamar from a culture of heightened tribalism,where one is defined by which clan one belongs to. In the coffee shops, when some one is asked about his clan and he responds an unfamiliar clan name, I used to get goose pumps. Marku ruux yiraahdo qolo aan reer xxxxxx (Aw Tusbaxle ciddooda) baan ahayn, qalbiga qac i dhihi jirey naxdin darteed. Hoos baan waxaan ka oran jirey alla nasiib daranaa ruuxu…

^^lool@kolleeyba nabad in ay na dhextaal baan rajeyn. Brother SOS, I am not being unfair to the fighting youth. I understand and appreciate their brave sacrifices in resisting our foes. In Jabbooyinka & Shabbeelooyinka, they have achieved unprecedented successes in routing out warlords and providing security and political stability that have been lacking many years in those regions. In Xamar, they have fought with admirable bravery and brought home undeniable victories. History will show despite their shortcomings that they have indeed heeded the calling of the hour when their country needed them most. They have been a bright dot in the darkness so to speak adeer, a point conceded by friend and foe alike. Were I have critiqued them was their negligence in broadcasting political manifestos that could actually aid the enemy to prolong its presence. I also have failed to see their objection against sitting down with other Somalis. They are not the only political stakeholders in the land you see. I would like to see them holding the places they hold and allowing Ethiopia to withdraw, and giving good Sharif a political breathing room, instead of discrediting him and threatening him. If Ethiopia withdraws from south, they could bargain and participate the subsequent take-care-government peacefully. If Ethiopia fails to withdraw they would be able to continue the resistance with new vigor and energy, and the most reasonable Somalis would see the justification for the continued violence. In both cases they would stand to prevail. It’s their hastiness to denounce Sharif’s approach that I find foolish and unwarranted. Also it seems to me that their political convictions are quite incompatible with the prevailing political orientations of most Somalis. The notion that a failed and broken country, like Somalia, could undertake a campaign of mindless jihadi war to liberate far away islands or challenge the hegemonic policies of the current world order is hard to explain. That, and other threatening postures and empty bravados they have shown, is something I could never endorse. Still I don’t believe the zero sum game, and I could fathom a workable compromise between these youths, and other secular entities, and Sharifs side. As soon as Ethiopia withdraws, Somalis I believe can bridge their divisions and overcome animosity between them. The first step is to seek every permissible venue to ensure Ethiopia’s complete withdrawal, and that’s what good Sharif is working on adeer. Why do you find tomorrow too far in the future then ya SOS?

What Sh. Sharif has done is commendable on many levels. When I say that, I only judge him by his public pronouncements and the peace initiatives he has spearheaded---I have no way of knowing what this man harbors in his heart. Sharif correctly diagnosed Somali conflict and called for a different approach. If his speeches are any gauge, he understood the reason of Ethiopia’s involvement in our affairs. Where many saw an evil empire determined to subjugate Somali people, he saw a poor, and politically unstable state taking advantage of a historic and rare opportunity where her sole foe in the region disintegrates into warring clans. It was the stumble of Somali republic, he seems to have concluded, that enabled Ethiopia to pull large swaths of Somali lands into her sphere of influence. To deny her that leverage, one must reconcile Somalis through dialogue and compromise, taking of course all the inherent risks, both politically and security wise. Insults and other slanderous labels thrown at him, I believe, are least he could worry---quite marginal and secondary. It’s his life that’s at risk here. His rational approach has engendered an irrational anger against him, and anger in Somali politics means death sentence, quite literally. In this era of fitnah, istikhfaafu dimaa’al muslimiin has become quite prevalent. A missing beard, or wearing incompliant trouser could be the basis of taczeer. Far more consequential is the notion of engaging with an active enemy, as Sharif has done. That, in some theological circles, regardless of the intent, could cause your life. Despite all the suppositions and fiqhi deductions resorted to hastily impeach Sharif’s integrity, one can easily see this effort (when I say this effort I do not mean this post) for what it truly is, a grieve against reasonable approach to end the political mess in Somalia. Of course Sharif may become but what we thought; a treacherous rascal of the worst kind. Only Allah knows what dwells in one’s heart, and I leave to Him to reveal those true intentions when He deems it right and appropriate. But as far as I can tell, Sharif is right on his approach to deal with all entities in one simple goal in mind, and that’s to end Ethiopia’s occupation in the south, and to subsequently bring all Somalis together. And on that account, Sharif’s success or failure will clearly and significantly depend on whether Ethiopia withdraws as agreed, and on a timely fashion. And that, my good friends, is a measurable arrangement. Time has indeed come to see whether Sh. Sharif delivers what he promised. Of course one understands that he is only one party to this pact, Ethiopia being the other. If he succeeds, time will honor him and Allah will reward him. If he fails with a good intent, time may shame him, yet Allah will reward him again. That’s because, in Islam, good deeds are akin to investment, and there is no risk free investment with good returns. That’s to say, in Allah’s eyes, those who hazard to do good are not equal to those who habitually shirk from duty. It was Cumar Ibn al Khidab, I believe, who cautioned chariness, not hasty conclusions or boundless speculations, in matters relating to fellow Muslim’s integrity. In fact, and in the conceptual level, xusni thani wa baraa atu thimah are the corner stones of Islamic justice. Muhammad (swc) called it a charity from you on you to hold your tongue from your fellow Muslims. Even in blessed ages, some abused the science of Jarhi wa Ta’diil , and released their sharp tongues on other scholars. Ibn Hazm al andulusi, a peerless scholar whom I admire, paid a heavy price for doing that---seeing his signature book, al-Muhalla , being burnt and condemned. The point I am laboring to make is: Sharif ha la ii daayyo, haddii nabad layga rabo

Yes yaa Cirdey. It’s all coming together quite nicely. Remember the premise of Jabbuuti’s peace caravan was that tfg will survive and Ethiopia will withdraw. Both seems to be holding true… It will insha Allah work itself out.

@Oodweyne Naagtii ganbada taabattee gacanta loo mayray Ee gelisay meeshiii xumayd gabaygu soo maaha Yours, if truth were to be boldly told, is the ugliest example of hardened clannish hatred towards one particular clan. No amount of pathetic posts, regardless of its lengthy or syntactical construct, can compensate the inherent anomaly of your silly propositions. And that's the last word.

Ethiopian troops leaving Mogadishu in possible pullout of Somalia