Fahiye, your harsh language aside, you're demanding political reform for PL to survive. And I share that sentiment adeer. I wouldn’t call Puntland’s complete disintegration though. That would not help anyone’s concern.

Fahiye is on to something. Waryaa Fahiye usoo baxay ?

^^Puntlanders utterences dont count today . Come back tomorrow saaxiib.

Ayyoub waa markuu Jabbuuti ku daba dhegi jirey .

^^Talo ma ogolyahay mise sidii Cadduu dhowr ilma adeertii ah oo qatan isku wareejin doona Ninyahow caddaaladu waa fiicantahay ee anigu ninkan ma aqaan. Saakese markaan kusoo toosay guushiisa waan carooday. Saas ooy tahay, in ninkan waqti lasiiyo baan qabaa. My interest in PL is two fold. 1) in dadka la isku hayyo inta Somalia soo noqonayso, 2) in Oodweyne ciddiisa isbaaro loo dhigo oo aysan dalka intuu jilicsanyahay kala goyn. You know, anigu Jubbooyinka masoo dhaafo, weliba hadda wadaadaydii Barre Hiiraaloo samri waayey baa kusoo socda. Marka saaxiib bal aan dhawrno suu wax yeelo.

Hunguri waa nin saldanada wax ka yaqaan. Bahashu charity maaha. Bal waxa lagu tashado noo soo sheega Faroolena ha la isku daayo. It's not a crime to win Puntland's top post. Adn that's all the man has done .

^^All those are true but it could’ve been worse. In this election, Cadde has done the right thing.

^^Clannish implication clannish input. Fair it might have been, but the perception of unfairness sorounds it. That's how I see it adeer. And you know me, I dont buy the supperficial uniformity crap around here.

^^Geelle, meeshii another Caddaa fariistay. That's sida wax yihiin. Any idea as to where Nuradin's votes went?

Gheelle, bahasha waxaan shiddo ahayn kama helo ninyahow. Waanse kaa furi albaabka inshaa Allah. Originally posted by The Useful Demagogue: Xiinoow meeshi ceebaa ka dhacday. reerkii ma isagii unbaa is doortay. Reerku wax doorta ma waayaan adeer. Caato & co elected the old man in Nairobi. Likewise, the mps who selected Faroole were quite diverse in where they fall in PL’s clan matrix. Think about this adeer: If Tarrax of Dhanaan was willing to stick to the old man of Punt in his hour of need, why should we reproach Faroole's political alliance in Nugaal, Cayn and Sool?

True say ya Santaaro. I too hope change comes sooner than later. Interesting to watch the political ramifications of today's outcome. Four years is not that far away. Faroole could be replaced then if better candidates come forward. Better yet,Somalia could get better and become far more stable than it's today.

Emp, No matter how this outcome came about, Faroole's selection has a clear clannish implication. And it is very hard to shake it off, adeer. There is a fairness. But there is also a perception of fairness. Note the distinction waryee. Ponder on the following questions. What was the purpose behind PL’s establishment? Was it a security arrangement or a political one? If it was a security arrangement, whose security was it erected to defend? If it was political framework, then for whose benefit was it intended to serve?

Nuradin is gone and so is Ilkajir. Bahashu meel xun bay ka dhacday saaxiib.

Very interesting outcome. Seems to me PL’s clannish power sharing arrangement is hard to break. What was Faroole’s appeal? He spoke the language of corruption. With that said, what has transpired in the last hours does not in any way suggest unfairness. Politics is dirty game. And Faroole, it seems, is good at it. So are the folks from SOOL and part of Sanaag. If nothing else, they should’ve denied him the presidency for clannish reasons to restore some political credibility for this failing state. This is the second time they have disappointed. I can’t in all honesty congratulate this man. Does anyone know the relationship between the new man and Ethiopia? Any history?

Falastiin Ilaahayow xoree, wey xannibayaane. Xisbullaahi Eebbow ka yeel, xoog la mari waayo. Sahyuuniyadda xaaqaamaquuq, Xaadir baa tahaye. Xabbaddooda Eebbow ka yeel, xiin wax dili waayo. Ilaahayow Xafiidoow Adaa, cadaw u xiiraaye. Adigaa Fircoon biyo ku xugay, oo xafiyey jeere. Qowmuluud Adaa xaaqayoo, rogay xinkoodiiye. Adigaa xinjiro dhiig ku furay, xubinki Shaaroone. Adigaa xab iyo maal ku rida, xaasid iyo tuuge. Jaajuuska Adigaa ku xira, naar xanuun kulule. Adigaa xusuus guurta bada, gaalka xuubka lehe. Adigaa xisaabiya khalqiga, oo ka xoog badane. Adaa Xaramka Eebbow ka dhigay, xero ammaaneede. Xikmad gabay ah Adigaa ku qora, xabad abwaaneede. Soomaaliya Ilaahayow xasili, Xaakim baa tahaye. Allow xiisad baa muuqatee, dami xugaashkeeda. Allow Xabashi huura leh ka yeel, Xoon lax laga tuuray. Ogaaaadeenya Eebbow xaqsii, wey xarbinayaane. Xabiibkii adduunyada unkoow, waan xanuunsadaye. Xabsi baan kufaar ugu jirnaa, nagana xoog roone. Beyruut iyo xinjirahaa dindimi, Xaramka baashiisa. Xabaalaayda Falastiin Allow, waa dhib xoradeede. Xaaladaha Ciraaq baa Rabbow, lagu xajiimoone. Xiddiggii Saddaam buu qalbiga, ila xawaareyne. Xasuuqii Kashmiir baan Rabbow, la xadxatoodaaye. Jeejniya xadgudub kaa ka jiraan, ximin la ooyaaye. Xigtadii Afganistaanna wey, ugu xasuugeene. Sidi xeyn aroo goosanteey, na xabadqaadeene. Xuluufooyin baa nagu habsaday, mana xishoodaane. Xanfaleeyda yuubka leh Rabbow, wey na xadayaane. Xuquuqdeenni bey duudsadaan, la xusulduubaane. Ilaahayow Adaa xeel hayee, naga xoree gaalka. XAQSOOR

Falastiin Ilaahayow xoree, wey xannibayaane. Xisbullaahi Eebbow ka yeel, xoog la mari waayo. Sahyuuniyadda xaaqaamaquuq, Xaadir baa tahaye. Xabbaddooda Eebbow ka yeel, xiin wax dili waayo. Ilaahayow Xafiidoow Adaa, cadaw u xiiraaye. Adigaa Fircoon biyo ku xugay, oo xafiyey jeere. Qowmuluud Adaa xaaqayoo, rogay xinkoodiiye. Adigaa xinjiro dhiig ku furay, xubinki Shaaroone. Adigaa xab iyo maal ku rida, xaasid iyo tuuge. Jaajuuska Adigaa ku xira, naar xanuun kulule. Adigaa xusuus guurta bada, gaalka xuubka lehe. Adigaa xisaabiya khalqiga, oo ka xoog badane. Adaa Xaramka Eebbow ka dhigay, xero ammaaneede. Xikmad gabay ah Adigaa ku qora, xabad abwaaneede. Soomaaliya Ilaahayow xasili, Xaakim baa tahaye. Allow xiisad baa muuqatee, dami xugaashkeeda. Allow Xabashi huura leh ka yeel, Xoon lax laga tuuray. Ogaaaadeenya Eebbow xaqsii, wey xarbinayaane. Xabiibkii adduunyada unkoow, waan xanuunsadaye. Xabsi baan kufaar ugu jirnaa, nagana xoog roone. Beyruut iyo xinjirahaa dindimi, Xaramka baashiisa. Xabaalaayda Falastiin Allow, waa dhib xoradeede. Xaaladaha Ciraaq baa Rabbow, lagu xajiimoone. Xiddiggii Saddaam buu qalbiga, ila xawaareyne. Xasuuqii Kashmiir baan Rabbow, la xadxatoodaaye. Jeejniya xadgudub kaa ka jiraan, ximin la ooyaaye. Xigtadii Afganistaanna wey, ugu xasuugeene. Sidi xeyn aroo goosanteey, na xabadqaadeene. Xuluufooyin baa nagu habsaday, mana xishoodaane. Xanfaleeyda yuubka leh Rabbow, wey na xadayaane. Xuquuqdeenni bey duudsadaan, la xusulduubaane. Ilaahayow Adaa xeel hayee, naga xoree gaalka. XAQSOOR

Doing the Right Thing in Somalia By Frankie Martin This week has been an extraordinary one for Somalia. The past seven days have brought both the resignation of Somalia's president and the beginnings of a military withdrawal by his main backer, Ethiopia. This comes amid an onslaught of pirate attacks off Somalia's volatile coast, the takeover of most of the center and south of the country by Islamic insurgents, and perhaps the worst humanitarian disaster on the planet. Somalia watchers can be forgiven for feeling a sense of déjà vu. Two years ago, before the shock and awe of the US-backed Ethiopian invasion, the country looked rather similar. Somalia was then, as it is now, largely ruled by Islamic militias and judicial bodies; the Western-backed Transitional Federal Government (TFG) and its president were almost completely impotent, and the humanitarian situation was bleak. Two years and many rendition flights later, America has little to show for its efforts. In fact, things have gotten much worse. The US backed the Ethiopian overthrow of the ruling Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) in pursuit of at least three Al Qaeda suspects. Since then it is estimated that over 10,000 Somalis have been killed and 1 million displaced. 3.5 million people are in need of immediate food aid. The occupation has turned the population against the government and strengthened extremist groups. Anti-Americanism is at a height. The new generation of Islamic rulers like Al Shabab care little for the scholarly debates of the UIC, which pitted mystics and moderates against hardline elements in a recognized structure. These new brutal militias now control more territory than the UIC did at its height. Both piracy and anarchy -- effectively defeated two years ago by the UIC -- are back in force. The Ethiopian withdrawal will leave Somalia with a massive power vacuum. The only other international troops in the country are African Union-backed Ugandan and Burundian skeleton forces who can barely leave their bases for fear of attack. The international community is at an impasse. The consensus seems to be that UN troops are desired, but not yet. For now the West -- which greatly contributed to the current mess -- is putting the burden on the African Union, which isn't entirely fair. The AU, however noble in its desire to promote stability on the continent, has neither the manpower, resources, nor cultural knowledge necessary to mount a successful operation in Somalia. All "humanitarian aid missions" are not the same. While foreign troops have helped in countries like Liberia and Ivory Coast, the global conflict between Islam and the West after 9/11 has meant that interventions in Muslim countries -- especially by Westerners -- have been more difficult. Foreign troops inserted into Somalia now, be they from the United Nations or from fellow African countries, will be greeted as occupiers and will face a lethal insurgency. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon knows this, which is why he is so hesitant to commit blue helmets. So, given the dire situation, what is to be done? Despite its mistakes in the region, the United States is best suited to bring Somalia's factions together in a lasting peace. This time the US should go in not with drones but diplomacy. President-elect Barack Obama will face a dizzying array of challenges when he takes office, but he must not let Somalia once again be neglected. Obama -- who is very popular among Somalis -- or Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should go to Somalia immediately after the inauguration to give muscle and credibility to the peace process. This would open a new chapter in US/Somali relations and signal that the US was serious about engaging with Somalia in a sustained and intelligent way. The US and its Western allies should work with moderate Muslims and extend dialogue invitations to those who disagree with its policy in the region. It should fund health and education programs and make it clear to the Somali people that the US is not at war with them or their Islamic faith. This would both attack piracy at its root by restoring stability and help to swing the pendulum away from radicals toward the tolerant Sufi Islam native to Somalia. Some of this is already happening. Last month Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin -- one of the few American lawmakers speaking consistently about Somalia -- met in Djibouti with leaders of the Somali peace process including Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, the former school teacher who helped form the UIC after one of his pupils was kidnapped by warlords. This high level activity should be accompanied by an effort to reach Somalis at the local, tribal level, which can only be done by gaining a knowledge and appreciation of how Somali society works. The CIA should put away its briefcases of cash for warlords and pick up books on Somalia by scholars like I.M. Lewis. An international stabilization force may well be what is needed, but the tough groundwork will have to be laid first. And for this the Somali people must be on board. In Somalia the US has another shot to stabilize the Horn of Africa, improve relations with the Muslim world, and save a people from complete destruction. This time, let's get it right. source

Caamir, Somaliland is the Somali region colonized by the British Empire. I am not disputing that fact. Unless you confuse region with a state, I am not all too sure that you dispute it either. That there are folks who work day and night to realize Somaliland’s recognition is not a moot point. If you are in doubt, look no further than SOL. Where these mighty efforts abort is by missing the simple fact that Somalis are collection of clans, and their political loyalty decidedly lie in that construct. As it stands today, most proponents of Somaliland’s secessionist agenda belong to the dominant clan in that region. By and large, other clans are not onboard with this nonsense. In other words who wants to secede is well known. And so is who wants to remain in the big tent that’s the Somali republic, failed, and hopeless, as it may seem. What I have been resisting all along is the effort to prettify this ill-conceived concept in electoral colleges and bogus voter registration programs in clearly disputed regions. There are better, and more superior, arguments to shoot down the notion of dismembering Somalia. But to simplify it by factoring its tribal factors out is the easiest way to expose SL’s deceiving and deadly political camouflage ya Camir.

^^wax waalan

^^ Salaam and G'night saaxiib

lool@trust ability to manage the situation. Some SWOT analysis is in order here waryee

^^Sophistry aside, I think yours is a blatant denial of the facts on the ground. You are boasting a victory that’s less than two years old. I am telling you your feet are not firm on some grounds precisely because of clan association reasons. What prevented you to keep the Milk Lakes in your column for all those twenty years you speak of so readily? Was it not resistance of some sort? Or you prefer not to talk about it because that was in the past? I also gather you don’t want to contemplate the future status of those regions. How neat, eh! Aw Tusbaxle ma waalna markuu ka hadlayyo arrimaha SL EDIT: Originally posted by NGONGE: Originally posted by xiinfaniin: NG, quote: Some of those regions have violently objected and their status is well known. Waa kuwii? Are they the ones that brought LA back to Somaliland, saaxib? So much for violent objection. Come on now, cross this one out too or at least improve on the logic. Waa kuwii Riyaale eryaday some years back . I picked this quote of yours to show how myopic you’ve become in your passionate defense of SL cause. I mean you could talk like Oodweyne does and say we put down all the armed resistance against us, but to deny it all together is just fanatical xaaji.

Malika didn't you have some old shoes to dispose ?

where are the Kulmiye folks?

Too bad the security cheif banned live broadcasts as reported by Horseedmedia. I wonder why.