^^Yet you will support him when he emerges victorious maaha?

Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel: He didn't desert anyone. He tried to do what's best for his country, but you were all too short-sighted to see it. You thought the man could sprinkle a little fairy dust and Somalia would instantly become paradise on Earth. Well it doesn't work that way, it takes a lot of hard work and diplomacy to run a country. It's all gone to the dogs now, anyway - this was a great chance for peace and rebuilding, but you squandered it. I hope you're happy. May I remind you that Shariif NEVER said a bad word about Shabaab before they started besieging him? He wanted Shabaab to be a part of this, he wanted everyone to be a part of this. But it only takes a few ****** who think talking to outsiders means sleeping with the enemy, and who declare their brother's blood to be xalaal and everything goes up in smoke. You're so hot-blooded. You're like those kids wasting each other in the streets. You're like those commanders sending young boys to their death. You haven't learned that bloody revolutions don't work. Don't you know that wars begin when you like, but do not end when you please? You think it's as easy as killing a few people, taking power and then we're back to peace? History has proved you wrong a million times. There was no reason for this tragedy and all the other ones that will inevitably follow it. Very well said indeed

The unity is superficial, and will not last long. Madoobe has been insisting to significantly change the Kismayo admin, which is dominated by alshabaab. Since the arrival of Aweys some including him are counting on drastic changes of the dynamics in Xamar in order to weaken Alshabaab’s military power. Aweys wants to head Xizbul Islam, but there is no effective framework to do so in existence. They will kill, destroy and weaken somalia and its people. Even if they win this one, they wont get far with it for they have no plans to compromise with others who are independent of thier rule

There is no Xizbul Islam to talk about. It’s a sham entity that has no real organization to back up its claims. There is an understanding however among various Islamic groups to support each other in the large conflict in the south. This war will set back whatever developments achieved in important areas in the south. It’s a major setback not for Sharif only, but for many like Madoobe who foolishly brandish sending youths to kill their brethren in Xamar.

Emp, Reuters is a major news source. It got wrong that unnecessary detail in the reporting, however. The tragedy in Xamar is the real news, not what Xassan D was or was not.

Thousands flee Mogadishu as death toll hits 113 Tuesday, May 12, 2009 MOGADISHU, May 12 (Reuters) - Thousands of residents fled bomb-blasted parts of northern Mogadishu on Tuesday and a local rights group said the Somali capital's heaviest fighting for months had killed 113 civilians. The Elman Peace and Human Rights Organisation said battles between hardline Islamist rebels from the al Shabaab group and pro-government forces had also wounded 330 people in the failed Horn of Africa state since the end of last week. It said at least 27,000 civilians had fled the city. The bloodshed has caused splits in both heavily armed sides: there was a deadly clash on Monday between police and soldiers, then a rift broke out in the opposition after a veteran warlord stoked rivalries between two insurgent factions. Sheikh Yusuf Mohamed Siad, also known as "Inda'ade" or "white eyes", handed control of his hundreds of fighters and 19 battle wagons -- pickup trucks mounted with heavy weapons -- to Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, another senior opposition leader. That angered Shabaab leaders, who are also fighting the country's fragile new government. Washington accuses both Aweys and the Shabaab group of having links to al Qaeda. "Shabaab wants to behead Sheikh Yusuf," said a relative of Inda'ade, Aden Hussein. "They ordered Sheikh Hassan to give up him and his weapons, but Aweys said he prefers to fight Shabaab." One of Aweys' bodyguards told Reuters tensions were high. "Shabaab and Sheikh Hassan are deadlocked. I can't talk much ... the situation is serious," he said, declining to be named. The influential Aweys is a member of Hizbul Islam, an umbrella group of opposition organisations that includes his Alliance for the Re-Liberation of Somalia. Tuesday's split came a day after six government troops were killed by police who said they clashed after catching the soldiers smuggling weapons to the insurgents. On Monday, new Somali President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed accused the rebels of working for unnamed foreign governments he said were determined to undermine his administration. [iD:nLB035132] Somalia has been in chaos since 1991 when warlords toppled strongman Mohamed Siad Barre before turning on each other. More than 16,000 civilians have been killed by fighting since the start of 2007, more than 1 million have been driven from their homes and about 3 million survive on food aid. Source: Reuters, May 12, 2009

Somali government encircled by hardline Islamists After five days of assault by better-armed Al Shabab militiamen, pro-government fighters have apparently begun to retreat. By Scott Baldauf Nairobi, Kenya - Somali Islamist leader and onetime president Sheikh Dahir Aweys has launched what appears to be a final assault on the fragile Somali transitional government. Five days of fighting, including heavy shelling, have left dozens dead, almost certainly ending hopes for negotiations to potentially win over Sheikh Aweys's support for, and inclusion in, the moderate Islamist government of president Sheikh Sharif Ahmed. Both men had served in the short-lived Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) government of 2006, before it was removed by an Ethiopian military intervention. The assault casts serious doubt over the survival of the Sharif government, just days after international donors pledged $213 million to support it. At present, forces loyal to Sharif control roughly 25 city blocks in Mogadishu, including the presidential palace. About 4,000 African Union peacekeeping troops also protect the Sharif government, the seaport, and the Mogadishu airport. "There is no doubt Aweys wants a military solution. He wants to dislodge Sharif," says Rashid Abdi, an expert on Somalia for the International Crisis Group in Nairobi. "They're shelling the presidential palace and parts of the airport. This is looking like the final assault." Witnesses say the fighting in Mogadishu is reminiscent of fighting in the early 1990s, in the scrum for power among warlords that followed the collapse of the Siad Barre government in 1991. As many as 60 people have been killed and 250 injured. Five thousand fighters loyal to the hardline Islamist militia Al Shabab have been sent to Mogadishu from as far away as the southern port city of Kismayo. Fighters of another hardline Islamist group Hizbul Islam have joined the assault on Sharif's government as well. Government forces in retreat After five days of assault by better-armed Al Shabab fighters, pro-government fighters have apparently begun to retreat into areas under control of the African Union peacekeepers. From the Villa Somalia, the presidential palace, Sheikh Sharif said on Monday that his government is still working toward a peaceful solution of the crisis, treating Aweys's military assault as nothing more than a hard bargaining position. "We tell the Somali people that the government is making efforts to stop the fighting and work for the interest of the people, but unfortunately people who have made a career of war and do not want a government are wreaking havoc in the country," Sharif told reporters on Monday. "The government is committed to holding free elections and to avoid taking power by the gun. The reason they [opposition] are fighting us is to overthrow our government and to prevent the creation of an effective government." Hours after the press conference, the presidential palace itself was shelled. Why hardliners reject the current government Hardline Islamists say they reject the Sharif government, despite the fact that Sharif won overwhelming support from Somali clans and traditional leaders during a UN-sponsored election held in Djibouti on Jan. 31. Sharif's credentials as a former Islamist commander during the Islamist government of 2006 were thought to have given him the best chance of buying Somalia enough time to restore peace, open up humanitarian corridors for aid delivery, and allow for peaceful elections at a later time. Sharif was applauded both for reaching out to fellow Islamists – and having parliament make Islamic law the basis for Somalia's legal system – as well as to Western donor nations eager to see Somalia's nearly 19 years of anarchy brought to an end. Sharif even welcomed back Aweys, the former head of the UIC, hoping the two could resolve their differences by negotiation. That appears to have failed. Donor nations wary of getting involved International assistance for the Sharif government is limited, in part by design. Based on the disastrous US-led UN peacekeeping mission of the early 1990s – culminating in the frenzied street fighting depicted in the book "Black Hawk Down" – donor nations passed the most recent Somali peacekeeping mission on to the African Union in 2006. Yet even the African-led peacekeeping mission has been divisive and potentially destabilizing, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon argued last month. Now, the question is how will this African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM) force, composed of Burundians and Ugandans, will hold up against a full Al Shabab assault. "I don't think that if pushed, AMISOM will go the extra mile to protect Sharif," says Rashid Abdi, of Crisis Group. Sharif's best hope is an internal solution, most experts agree, by winning over enough Islamist militias to his side, including the popular but poorly armed traditional Islamist group Ahlu Sunna Wal Jama'a. In Nairobi, Ahlu Sunna's political spokesman, Khaliph Mahamud Abdi, says his group has been talking with the Sharif government but will only join Sharif's forces if he promises to stop trying to cooperate with all foreign Islamic ideologies, especially the hardline Saudi-influenced ideology of Al Shabab, but instead to eliminate them. Ahlu Sunna claims to control a broad swath of territory north of Mogadishu, including much of the Galcayo and Gedo regions. But while he says, "We have the people and we have the truth," he warns darkly, "They (Al Shabab) have the money and the organization." "We are supposed to meet Sharif, and if he is willing to join us we will give him all the land we control and give him our forces, too," says Mr. Abdi, the Ahlu Sunna spokesman. Source: The Christian Science Monitor, May 12, 2009

Somalis flee Mogadishu violence Anti-government fighters have been battling troops across the capital, Mogadishu [EPA] Thousands of people have fled the Somali capital after scores of people were killed over the weekend. People left Mogadishu in taxis, cars and lorries piled with mattresses, suitcases and furniture on Monday, witnesses said. Ali Sheik Yasin Fadhaa, the vice-chairman of the local Elman Human Rights Organisation, said: "Some of them do not know where to go. They need urgent help." He said that his staff throughout Mogadishu had counted at least 5,200 people fleeing on Monday, taking the total since Saturday to more than 17,000 Somalis. "I have no other option," Asha Yakob told The Associated Press news agency as she left the northern Mogadishu neighbourhood of Fagah. "Those who are fighting seem to be foreigners. If they were Somalis, they would never kill innocent and poor people like me. They are enemies." Heavy fighting Heavy clashes were reported between troops and anti-government fighters in Fagah early on Monday. "The fighting is very heavy and both sides are using machine-guns and anti-aircraft weapons," Mohamed Abdi, a police officer, said. Later a mortar shell landed near a cafe in the north of the capital killing at least two civilians, witnesses said. In video Scores killed in fresh Mogadishu fighting The latest fighting is the heaviest in months. Anti-government groups have vowed to defeat the interim government of Sharif Ahmed, the president and former leader of the Islamic Courts Union, which controlled much of Somalia for several months in 2006. "The onslaught against the government is being led by Hizb ul-Islam and al-Shaabab," Al Jazeera's Mohammed Adow reported from Nairobi, the capital of Kenya. "They may have different views on how to run Somalia, but they are now united in knocking Sheikh Sharif [Ahmed] from power." "They are saying he has betrayed them and has betrayed the cause of the Somali mujahidins "They say he has sided with what is seen as the side of the Ethiopian government and the United States." Deteriorating situation Sheikh Bashir Ahmed Salad, chairman of a religious panel trying to mediate between the two sides, said they were concerned over the deteriorating situation. "We had been contacting both sides in the past week to avoid bloodshed, but they ignored our calls and engaged in fighting that led to civilian casualties," he said. In depth Timeline of Somalia Restoring Somalia A long road to stability Ahmed has blamed foreign governments trying to destabilise the Horn of Africa nation for supporting the anti-government fighters. "We have an Islamic government, but misled Somalis kill innocent people. These guys work for foreign countries that do not want us to be a peaceful nation," he said. "I tell them to stop fighting. It is illegal to shed the blood of your innocent brothers." Ahmed has been trying to broker peace with warring groups, but his administration wields little control outside Mogadishu and needs support from African Union peacekeepers. Fighters opposed to the government see the 4,350 AU peacekeepers as "foreign invaders" and an obstacle to a lasting peace.

intee niri dagaal waa xunyee nabad inoo daayya Intee niri dal iinaan lahayn dawlad ku ahaada

Markii ugu horey ay ciidamada Dowlada la waregeen goobaha muhiim ay xisbul islaami heystay Dagaal faraha looga gubtay oo saakay bilaawday deegaanka Yaaqshiid ayaa u muuqda in caawa lagu kala baxay kadib markii kooxa islaamiyiinta ee xawaariga ku socda loo awoosheegtay markii ugu horey intay soo ifbaxeen ciidamada Islaamiyiinta. Dagaalka oo horey looga bartay ciidamada Dowlada ay kala yacaan markay xabada bilaabata ayaa caawa tani waxay ka dhigeysaa in ay kalsooni buuxda soo gasho madaxweyne Sheikh Shariif ay qayaameen saxiibadiis ay xerta islahayeen kuwaa oo gooba muhiim ah u faarujiyey kooxaha mucaaradka ee islaamiyiinta Wali lama arag ciidamada Islaamiyiinta oo dabada jeedinaayo maanta ka hor taani waxay noqoneysaa rajo soo gashay ciidamada dowlada oo lagu ogaa baqdiin badan iyo cagtood malayaal Ciidamada caawa guusha gaaray ayaa lagu macaneyey kala qeyb qaadashada uu kala qeyb qaatay dagaalka Madaxweyne Sheikh Shariif oo isagu lagu yaqiinay xiligii maxkamadaha dagaalka kula jireen hogaamiyaasha dagaalka in uu furunta joogay har iyo habeen Waxaase caawa xusid mudan in labada Sheikh Shariif iyo Sh Xasan ee xiligaan u tafaxeetay dhiiga shacabka Maslimiinta ay caawa xirnayeen tuutooyinka dagaala iyagoona furunta isla joogeen Dhanka kale dagaalada ka jira Muqdisho ayaa sii dhiiragaleen Hay’adda Culimada Somaliyeed kuwaa oo labada qoloba sheegay in ay ahlu jana yihiin labada qolana ay xaq ku taagan yihiin taa oo ka dhigeysa Shariifna gar leh Sheikh Xasana gar leh

^^That is pure Kashaf talk, Zeylac. Sharif as a leader has every right to use violence against those whose profession is only to kill. You can talk saliibi all you want but the fact remains that Somalia in not occupied by saliibis. Those UNISOM troops, who are there, are there to help Sharif get stronger and build security forces, not to occupy. They come from faraway lands not to influence on specific policies but to be part of a peacekeeping mission. Who is putting them in situation where they have to fire lethal mortars yaa Zeylac? If you think those who issued the riddah fatwah against their opponents will spare anyone you are mistaken. Their agenda is very clear! They don’t recognize Somalia and its borders and flag. Sharif is justified to use force and seek help to put them down. And sadly that will be the way forward. They are bunch of extremist bimacnal kalimah who have no consideration for human life. What they are doing may be appealing to the confused like you who enjoy in the qurbo land and follow these events in the news portals, but the city of Mogadishu is payying the price. It will get worse before it gets any better. Bwt jihadu shacb is when the masses fight for the cause while leaders lead and provide guidance.

That is what Macno Yare thinks

lool@jb sharifka waa lagu qaldamaa war nuune, abu tamaam raggeedu ahaa saaxiib, qabowgayga haku qaldamin buu lahaa

^^It was the peer pressure before Sharif is a matured leader today than he was 3 yrs ago

nuune it means: halaaqa libaax, doqonkaa qosol mooda I leave the english translation for NGONGE

^^an old excuse There is a book by cabdalla cazaam by that name. Read it awoowe to uderstand what it means.

Sheekh Shariif iyo Xasan Daahir oo markii ugu horeyasy lagu arkay Furinta Dagaalka iyagoo wata Dareeska ciidamad looool I dont blv this is true. My man Sharif is not teh Caesar of Rome, he believes jihaadu shacab,like me, not the suicidal, fanatical type

Originally posted by Paragon: ^If he didn't do that the likes of Indhacade will get the excuse of opposing him. Now all reconciliation jestures have been exhausted. If the Sharif fights to bring order to Mogadishu, there are no grounds to opposite him. Sxb, it's politics before naked power. Sharif must completely secure Muqdishu. He has no choice but to do that.

Emp, dee hadba mid baa maanta nagu soo toosayya

^^ Source may reveal teh agenda behind the post

^^because people see that you are full of crap. Simple.

nuune carabkii abu tamaam ah muxuu yiri! Ithaa ra'ayta anyaabi laythi baarizatan, falaa tathunanna anna laytha mubtisimu War dadka u fasir, adaa ingiriisku first lughah ku ahaayye

^^That is plausible given his mindless drive Emp, awoowe ciidanka xamar joogaa waa ciidan dawladeed, taliyye ciidan, wasiir gaashaandhig, iyo madaxweyne bay leeyihiin. Sharif wuxuu dhaxlay haykalkii dawladeed ee ku meel gaarka ahaa ee Yey ka tegey. Haddaad rabtid intaa ku faan faan laakiin, maantoo hanagu celcelin. War ma garatay?

Emp, awoowe Yey is on a siyaaro trip to Yemen let him rest in peace . Warye Macno yare aka Mintid Farayar, haddana ma Paragon baad macawista kaga dheggentahay. Taydii ma kugu fillaan weydey ?

Paragon, Mintid waa lay qaybshee iska daa awoowe.