lool@deep personal animosity Allow alle.

Fast losing credibility? because he was attacked by a man whose home coming he thought would be helpfull to further the progress made? Xuzni thani is not akin to naivety in Islamic teachings awoowe. Some element of justice is badly needed. Further more, generally speaking any analysis that ingore the context in which current events are unfolding have no integrety in my book.

Duufaan you are a losing man. Whatever good alshabaab has done for somalia will be rendered a mere footnote in the large somali history , and will be consumed by the senseless wars they started

Mintid, I say otherwise. These verses trace their origins in Mudug Valley as far as I know. It was a well-known war between two sub clans, one small, and the other much bigger in numbers. But I could be wrong. Neither Duufaan, nor you, yaa Macno Yare,can assume the function of the final arbiter in this dispute however. Duufaan has al shabaabi temperament and you are grieve-stricken man actively praying for the destruction of certain regions. The rest of your cantabaqash does not warrant a response.

I thought you were sure of his demise as of yesterday. 'whether he survies this time' ku lahaa. and you think the rush attack was a good strategy. So much for strategy

^^Mintid adeer nimaan macno badan lahayn baan kuu haystaa anigu. Nin si fudud ku xanaaqa maahi. taasi waa taasi Hadda waxaan ka rabaa inaad na tacliimisid oo noo sheegtid ninka beleda ah ee reer waqooyiga ama reer galbeedka ah ee tixda kor ku qoran tiriyey.

^^You see, raggii Yey taageeray digashadooda waan ogolahay. I can undestand their frustration with Sharif. Laakiin waxaan lay tusin waa kuwa aad moodid inay bur-burka profession ka dhigteen, oo maalin walba wiilkii yaree xabad rida u sacaba tumayya.

Me, stop the neutrality feign, and die with your brethren in Xamar. The jihad you wanted is on, why resort to vain analysis now? Without further confusion the situation in Xamar is dire for there is a raging war. The mechanics of this war are known, the sides well defined, and the outcome predictable. Sharif is a transitional president brought by reconciliation process, with a two-year term limited. He wanted peace and reconciliation, and brought a different tone. Sadly others construed his reconciliatory tone as a weakness and sought to exploit it. It’s getting tough now, and the magnitude of their miscalculation is becoming clear, hence the situation analysis. The Caravan is armed. Sharif is no longer Sh. Hotel. He is General Sharif.

^^Abwaan Mintid baa yiri anaa aqaane bal aan ka war dhowrno Mansa Munsaw

^^loooooool. calm down yaa macno yare. dont be livid with us.name that caaqil and fighter. because from what I heard the poet of the 'mintid' verses was from the south. tell us if you know

^^well i fail to see the feat for which I am praised. the sentiment articulated in the two verses above has long been prevalent in the city of Xamar. It’s not like I have just discovered it. even the verses themselves have been part of literary brilliance of a southern man, not necessarily from Kismyo but from the south nevertheless.

^^Right on. Let me put it this way: amongst the innumerable vultures bent on preying on the weak Somali masses, alshabaab is the vulture king. They are mindless zealots who are in perpetual attitude to kill and destroy. The warlords we knew in the past are in comparison minor harpies. It’s necessary to set limit to their power, and establish forces commissioned to keep them down. This two along achieving clear monopoly in the use of violence in the Xamar city and putting in place authority whose supremacy few will ever dare to challenge must be the objectives of this war. Remember the war was started by alshabaab sensing weakness in Sharif’s tfg entity; the outcome therefore must be advantageous to Sharif. And for Somalia!

Dagaalkani mid hadal ku joogsanayya maaha! Sharifku ciidan badan ma haysto,laakiin wuu mintidi; Mintid farayar mirihii battaa kama macaashaane;e Mar hadday mashiinadu qarxaan mawtka loo simane'e

Gabal, Allaah caddaaladiisaan isku hallaynaynaa. Kashafa, the keligii-muslim kid in America, weli madaxtooyadii ma qabsatteen?

Zeylici, you are not making sense adeer for you are commenting what you think this war will turn into rather than what it's today. Today it's a war of chioce for some, and for others it's defensive one. One is attacking and killing meaninglessly, while the other is forced to fight. one appriciates the tragedy that is before him , whilst the other is smilling from ear to ear at the death and destruction he causes.

^^we shall see how it ends you want to capture xamar right?

^^Xamar is a tough nut to crack. It may capture you instead

^^Tell Sabriye, Afghani may be mutadharif, but never set a foot in MN Sharif you will support him when he wins, that I can count

lool@Ibrahim Afghan worked at Gas Station in MN. A novice wrote this article, that is for sure.

But u posted it on sol, not the author. unless you are the author

jb is good man but what he believes in forces his hand

Credible force needed to prop up Somali government: UN Wednesday, May 13, 2009 UNITED NATIONS (AFP) — A senior UN official pressed Wednesday for deploying a "credible security force" to help the wobbly Somali government contain hardline Islamist opponents seeking to topple it. "The (Somali) government must be backed by a credible security force that can help it negotiate from a position of strength and contain hardline elements bent on undermining it," UN Under Secretary General for political affairs Lynn Pascoe told the UN Security Council. He recalled that UN chief Ban Ki-moon last month outlined a cautious, three-phased plan to deal with Somalia's security challenge. The blueprint involves first bolstering the current African Union mission in Somalia (AMISOM), then establishing a UN "light footprint" to supervise humanitarian and development projects and culminating in the deployment of a 22,500-strong UN peacekeeping force backed by naval assets. "Success in these efforts will give peace a chance to take root, as well as create the conditions for a dramatic improvement in the delivery of humanitarian assistance and early recovery and development activities," Pascoe said. And stressing that Somalia's "nascent and yet fragile peace process must be protected," UN Under Secretary General for field support Susana Malcorra urged the Council to help the African Union bring AMISOM to its full mandated strength of 8,000. She welcomed a pledge by Sierra Leone this week to contribute a full troop battalion to that force. Several countries, including Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan and Uruguay, have also tentatively offered to contribute troops or naval and air assets to the proposed UN peacekeeping force, UN peacekeeping supremo Alain Le Roy said. Meanwhile Somalia's foreign minister Mohamed Abdulahi Omaar implored Somalia's hardline Islamist opposition to stop fighting and start talking. "Stop the bloodshed. Let us talk," he said in his address to the UN Security Council. Stressing that his government has "sought every opportunity to engage" the opposition, the minister said: "We will do whatever needs to be done and we ask for your assistance." Also Wednesday, UN special envoy for Somalia Ahmedou Ould Abdallah blamed Islamist leader Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys for the recent fighting in Mogadishu and accused him of seeking to topple the country's government. "Aweys came to take power and topple a legitimate regime," told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting on Somalia at AU headquarters in Addis Ababa. Clashes that started last week between forces loyal to the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of President Sharif Sheikh Ahmed and radical forces including members of the Shebab group have left some 100 people dead. Aweys and Sharif were two of the Islamist leaders who took over most of Somalia in 2006 before being ousted by an Ethiopian invasion in support of the TFG. Sharif eventually joined the UN-sponsored reconciliation process based in Djibouti and was elected Somalia's president in January, days after Ethiopia completed its military pullout. Somalia has lacked an effective central government since plunging into civil war with the 1991 ouster of president Mohamed Siad Barre. Source: AFP, May 13, 2009

Sophist, i would rather have MoonLight1 explain masaail fiqh than Kashafa. Kashafa’s writings on these boards bring to fore a peculiar mixture of Tupac Shakur’s defiance, Xallaaji’s delusions and Ibnu Carabi’s abnormal creativity. Kashafa would say "Hit 'Em Up" with no reservation ps.welcome back

Zeylaci, No you are the one who is talking like the keligi-muslims of SOL. This is what you are forgetting; 1- Sharif led Courts war in Xamar after warlords started to think god-fearing wadaads as commodities that can be easily produced by the demand of cia consumption. 2- After the victory, Sharif accepted to negotiate with TFG, and begun to send delegations to Khartoum of Sudan. It was the right thing to do. 3- When those negotiations showed signs of bearing fruits, the puritans, well embedded in the highest echelons of Courts structure and having absolute control of its military power, started to abort everything Sharif and likeminded men were doing for Somalia. 4- It was alshabaab that recruited Indhacadde to issue ultimatums against tfg that was holed up in Baydhabo, and it was alshabaab that carried out failed suicide attempts against Abdullahi Yusuf 5- It was alshabaab that finally attacked Baydhabo without even notifying the leaders of the Islamic Courts, resulting the hurried defeat and years of set backs. 6- Sharif was forced to flee, as he became a leader for a group that in reality was working against what he believed. 7- In the bushes of Jubbooyin the real agenda of this group came to fore, and men like Sharif realized the real ideology behind the sham Islamic slogans. He quickly sought to exit, and found a safe haven in Yemen. In bullet #1, a reasonable person would not equate what happened in 2006 with what’s happening now. It was a necessary war; this one just like the one in Daynuunay is a foolish war. In bullet #7, it was the right thing to have done in light of the facts that what this group wanted was incompatible with what Sharif, and the majority of sahwah wanted. Today at the feat of brilliant peace negotiation, with a spectacular power handover in the tfg’s structure, with an active assembly of Muslim scholars consulting ways to bridge the gap, the crazed youth equipped just like you with half cooked fatwas from men hiding in the mountains of Afghanistan erupted with violence and started firing indiscriminate mortars toward the political seat of Sharif. Instead of seeing the misguided act for what it is, you lose your spontaneous thought and sheepishly endorse the violence or the fitnah as you were saying in the other thread. It will take another thread to educate you about why Ugandan troops have no parallel (in terms of century old suspicion and unresolved border dispute that exist) to Ethiopian army. But first let us get the sequence right, get the historicity of things straight, let’s us draw true analogies, and shun from the false ones.