Quite the predicament Sharif is in.

Oodweyne waa nin taariikhda maxbuus u ah, weli gadaal buu fiirinayyaa markaasuu wuxuu xasuusanayyaa diyaaradihii hargeysa duqeeyey, dadkii xarshin u qaxay, caruurtii miinadu laysay.Intaabaa madaxiisa ka buuxda, he is unable to break off from the past Faroole wuxuu na leeyahay dadku Oodweyne oo kale maaha, oo Hargeysa dad bisil baa jooga ee doorashooyinka aan sugno

^^I asked him that question before. Fabregas al soomaali believes sh sharif is murtad, his government is dawlah riddah, and killing them is taqarub ila laah

^^lool war waa ka carra bedeshay marku Faarax Brown bartay. Aw Tusbaxle awoowe, pm kii waa xiray markaan furaba gabdhaa kasoo baxa, gabdho aan rabo danise ii diiday. ALadiif baa layga helaa, the one from the city of Fat Stones. Haddaad timaado MN habar aan waagii xaasku kuu umushay arji kuu qoratay oo aniga ii dhiibtay baa kuu diyaaraa kasoo gaar As for cunto badan ma cuno assertion, i think Halac Dheere was from your neck of the woods

^^Indeed. Red Sea, adeer Farole is officially part of Somalia's peace caravan. Listen his speech waa intaasoo ilaah kugu daaweeyaaye Gabal, brother Farole has shown a remarkable maturity as far as Somalia and its conflict is concern. Sophist, stripped to its core, Faroole's speechs were insistence on Somalinimo, it was a call for isa saamixid iyo is cafis. It was change from reer hebel aan iska celino which have been the accepted political mode for the last twenty years to putting somali conflict in the context of other world conflicts and pointing out that this conflict can be settled or resolved for good. Of course one can find weak spots in every speech. qabiil, qaad iyo qori baa dalka baa bi'yey buu yiri simplistic? may be.

I was impressed, to say the least. Nin bislaaday.

Faroole's July 1st Speech Faroole's Speech at Hilton Hotel

Maalin walba Oodweyen wax cusub buu noo sheeagaa. Hadda wuxuu na leeyahay Somaliland Ambasador oo Washington fadhiyya baa jira. Ninkani waa hal-abuur walaahi

^^Kashafa, adeer wadaad-nimadu maaha mid adiga lagu weydiinayyo. I dont see any charges that need answering. I see nin wareeray oo SOL databasekeedii ku waashay. Wax isdiidan maadan helin

Sophist, waa ku salaamay awoowe. Geeljire, With all due respect this is amateur sheekh, who rushed to defend a deviant group. The most important measure of any firqah is what is called istikhfaaf dimaa al muslimiin, kabiiruu ka hadlayya ragbaana lagu janna tegey . the word khawaarij does not really matter in this debate. These folks are armed takfiiri than anything else. Mar hadduu ku dilay muxuu kuula haray awoowe. Think about this: the entire tfg entity is considered murtad entity from their perspective. If you don’t understand what murtad means and its theological ramifications, it means these Somalis muslims are khaarij canil diin, killing them is a matter of religious duty. It was jammacatul islaamiyah in the 1980s and early 90s. It’s alqaacidah now. Alshabaab is nothing other than an offshoot of alqacidah. there is your answer awoowe

@Dhuqsi. Sagaaray diideene haddaan daqsi ku dhaho waa dagaal. Castro well come back awoowe! Faarax, stay the course it is. i am only reasoning with the fabreeyo man because he pretends to be a man of reason. Waxaan sugnaa waa kaligii muslim al fabre. Kashafa tiisu: Nin darxumi waa reerkooda doc uma dhaafaane dadka kugu diryaa iyo af xumo kugula dulmeeryaaba sida laba dumar ah oo lawada qabuu kuula diriraaye maruu map uusan aqoon sawiro, iyo maruu odoyaal dhintay sidii banooni la dhaliyey u sacbiyyo weeyye. at least we know where he stands in this great debate.

^^this is how: martyrdom is a religious act. Those who do it, do so out of conviction that their act will raise the Islamic flag, defeating the ambitions of teh enemy of islam. The young boy who murdered the 60 people, did so because in his mind he was killing murtadis. Meaning omer hashi not only was he wrong in his political inclinations but more importantly he was murtad and the shedding of his blood was permissible from that theological basis. Not only that but those whom killed with him were also perceived to be murtads for various reasons as well. Alshabaab and the keligii muslim school will never apologize the loss of those 60 people. They think those killed deserved to die because they were working for the dawlah al ridah. Now most people (of course keligii muslims will fiercely argue otherwise) agree that those killed were all muslims. They were muslims when they were in the previous tfg. They were muslims when they were against previous tfg. And they were muslims right before they were murdered. Don’t get me wrong there are numerous casualties in this conflict. but one side acknowledges the tragedy to be what it is, a tragedy. The other, the kaligii muslim side, believes they have monopoly who is muslim and who is not. Those who are not Muslims sharif included must be eliminated. Once the theological legitimacy is settled the means become secondary issue. tell me know what are the basis for takfiir, yaa keligii muslim al fabre?

^^ So my sanity is in question now qoor iyo xero ka jab (no pun intended) Despite the psycho analysis some are resorting to, the point of this thread still stands. It’s also true one should not waste his time debating with lightweight folks iska soo yaacayya without doing their homework. Meiji, Lighten up awoowe. Don’t force me to explain what ciyaari waa gelin danbe means. Just like I was forced to explain what sagaaro means to mr hanibal. Gabal, Food for thought, isn’t it? edit: taking into account prof's warranle's advise, i am retiring from politics. just for today waryaayaa waa nabaadiimo.kii xummaa ee fabr ahaa baan berri usoo noqon. kaasi waa ii sahanyahay

^^not really. sagaaro in the context of this debate means lightwieght. you need to understand that hanibal

Too many balls in the air yaa jamaacah. Hanibal is another sagaaro just like waranle, no need to waste my time. Fabrb, adeer i am not wailing for i didn't know umer hashi. i asked you what is your stance and you resorted describing what you blve to be facts on the ground. do you believe the assasinatino of umer was justified from religious perspective, or from your personal piont of view? I just you to come out like Kashafa did, and subscribe to the kelligi muslim shcool. do you have the entellectual guts to do so ninka banooniga ciyaarow? As for my stance back in 2005 before the emergence islamic courts, and when mogadishu was in the grip of powerfull warlords i supported tfg's argument for foriegn troops. i stand by that till today adeer. again you are going back in time to find some contradictions. go ahaed and we will flesh it out for you and address any confusion that may arise.

Che, Exactly right except it was the 30 thousand ethiopian troops that gave the conflict a differen meaning, and caused it to escalate. you miss that, and i tell you, you need a lecture about the difference between uganda iyo Ethiopia.

Castro, i could not tell if yours was a mere sarcasm or not. assuming it's not, if you are asking who the forces of intolerence are, the answer is one word: alshabaab. Now to say once alshabaab take the south, and open channels with the us, teh conflict will end is a wishful thinking. alshabaab are not after somnalia. they are fighting a global war. if you blve somalia is a good stage for such a global war, i beg to disagree. ps. Kashafa and co has been in a festive mood

Che, arrey madaafiicdaa madaaficaa ka horreysay got that?

Fabr, Allah@they shouldn't kill 60 people. the supperficial concern! so you believe cumar's assisination was justified? Is beledweyne occupied by ethiopian troops at the time when cumar was killed? I am asking your OPONION not what alshabaab might have said. Note: i see you cant help but go back in time to cite my stance to justify yours. i have a record of course objecting any seneless killing. when alshabaab shelled the sham conference in mid 2006 in xamar, unlike you i spoke against it as a misguided act. Waranle, your rant is noted. shariifku waa adeerkay ee iidaa ninyahow haddad ilaahay taqan

Hunguri, awoowe waan yaabay meelaad igala qaaday garan waayey. rag aanan u jawaabin baa jira. Adigase iska hubi baan lahaa. adoo carabta dhacaan ku ogaa ee goormuu mpls yimid baan is iri. Waa halkaa saaxiib. edit: waranle, you always tell me how you feel. i cant deal with feelings. they are natural. this Fabre guy wants to talk to me about this conflct in the lenses of theology, soveirngy, dignity, and qaranimmo. you see he is giving me something i can chew. ninweyn baa ahay awoowe, waxaan laayaan rabaa maanta, adigu i dil baad i leedahay, waxan dilana uma jeedo

^^no he is not. why you ask?

FAB, We are making progress.Although i disagree the premise of your silly question, i dont support foiegn forces to be in somalia.i would even prefer amisom to leave if it wasn't for the unnecassary situation created by alshabaab, the group you support. i dont bvle Ethiopian troops if they ever return as you wish will be helpfull. Same goes to Kenyans. The point however is not about whether foreign troops invade somalia or not. the point is why? and that's what you avoiding to address. again why alshabaab killing people, fellow muslims and somalis in beledweyne by the hundreds? dont go away now. edit: Waranle, at this point in time i happen to be talking the man above you. i have xabaddo dhowr ah oo aan dhaqaalaysanayyo, targets ku siday u kala qiima badanyihiin baan u pick gareeyey. adigu sagaaraa tahay, fabr waa biciid, aan asaga dilee ii kaadi awoowe

^^as far as I am concern the only question that has a merit is the one i asked you. i understand you want kenya and ethiopia to invade so you can give more weighty reason for your mindless killing in somalia. it's the fact however no such thing happened in somalia. again tell us who is killing somalis in beledweyne and in xamar? ethiopian? keynan?

^^That is utter nonsene. i am asking practical questions. who is fighting in somalia and why? stick with the big picture for a minute will ye? tell me who is killing somalis by the hundreds before you talk what will happen when certain come to invade to somalia. bombastic nonsense waryee, it has become quite habitual to talk about other countries in the region when it's apparent for everyone that somalia is being held down by other somalis.

war mee che? amisom waa caddow maahine wax kale ma haysaa waryee?