Me , your generic description of Somalia’s constantly changing conflict does not answer my original question to you. On the slash and burn thing, forget it. Just forget it awoowe. The era of warlords is already over. Somali people are no longer in the grip of strong men. That era has been dealt and done with. I want you to address the central issue of Somali conflict---alshabaab ! What I want to see you do is use active verbs and say like this: I believe alshabaab is a necessary evil because of this, and this, and this. I believe alshabaabs goals and objective are to do this, this and this. I believe ….wa hakathaa. I want you to put out thesis aan wax ka iraahdo. Personal note: I am the product of Somali conflict. I am an old man who has intimate knowledge of Somali clans. I am student of history as well. I was eighty years old when my family members become political prisoners. I was there when the civil war broke out. I was there when the first Mucaskar was established in Kismayo. I was there awoowe. Describing the situation or narrating its stages is not what I want to hear. That I already know. Finally I promise that I will answer each question you pose if I sense acceptable level of intellectual honest from you. The ball as it were is in your court. Qaado oo bal meel gee

^^Waa sida Siilaanyo darrensanyahay. Anaa u oronayya

^^tacliimi yarka Paragonow. Me, thank you for accepting my invite. I await your exposition.

^^Actually kaama harin. Thread kalaan furay. The invite is there for you. Warka ah beri baad wax ahayd adeer ima marto,haddaan wax ahay ee reason with me baan taaganahay. ama sidii fabregas carar oo waxaa tiraahdaa discussion ma fiicna

Kaadi badane waa loo gogol badiyyaa Me, adeerow macaanow bal waxaad i fahansiisaa how alshabaab are the savior of Somalia. I am dying to hear your reasoning. Please oo please be original. Don’t repeat to me mere slogans your heard from the Internet portals. For the benefit of all, please share with us what you believe to be alshabaabs goals and objectives in Somalia. Their methods too. Once your perception of alshabaab becomes clear, then we can have a meaningful discussion. Fiiro Gaara; ----------- I know you referred me to another thread. With all due respect that thread is a space filled with nonsense. You created scenarios, constructed realities, and prescribed solutions, all of which are work of fiction. It was a short story. I need no short stories. I want expression of conviction in a political/military approach. Either you understand what you are talking about, or you don’t.

Dalka waa lakala leeyahay iyo dawlada illeene Ninba degelka daantuu lahaa maan dadka u sheego Dayfkii martiyey reerka ee daacaduna soortay Ee goortuu dibiray xoolihii reerka kula dooday Ileen kama duwana tan u wadaa [Jacaylbarow dhammaystir] Gabaygaan Siilaanyo tiriyey

Mee Me? War ma ii maqantahay?

Me, adeer do not waste your time debating about building Somali Empire. This is not the time to have such a debate. If it makes you happy count me out of such a lofty idea. There are matters that are more worthy of discussion, if you can spare the time. Your stance on alshabaab is one of them. Unfortunately the thread you referred to me does not give me much to work with. In this thread you have the chance to tell us what aspect of alshabaab’s policies you support and what aspect you oppose? Is it their political platform you support? Their harsh methods of killing and maiming those they deem the enemy? The silly, meaningless bravado broadcasting that they will conquer the world including the furthest tip Alaska? I don’t like when one shrink from making a clear and discernible stance. What do you mean necessary evil? Is there such a thing? If we in a moment of sensation allow ourselves to entertain such an alternative, tell us how we might reform the evil or when it becomes unnecessary?

Waa markay Ethiopia ku waalan jirtey Me you are the problem, NOT Ethiopia. Care to explain why you oppose reason and support alshabaab, who tells the world that they have capacity to topple the admin in the State of Alaska?

mee wiilkii reer London?

^^War waxaan maxaa ka qaldan! You are with alshabaab, and I am with Sharif. Sharif is doing what a besieged man does. He did not start this war. Alshabaaab did. He might have been naïve to think once Ethiopian troops withdrew, Somalis will resolve their differences. He is not however wrong to seek support of others to defend his entity. Now you may wish and pray that support comes in the form of Ethiopian military intervention. That did not happen yet. It’s true that Sharif does not speak as a rebel. He does not rabble rouse as he once did. He is after all the president of the transitional government. What he wants today may not be what he wanted yesterday. He might have wanted to topple Cabdullaahi Yusuf yesterday. Today he knows better. He wants to reinstitute Somali state. Alshabaab is a major obstacle in achieving that goal. We can dwell on the lower chambers of this discussion and talk about the differences between Cabdullaahi Yusuf and Sharif Ahmed. But that is neither her nor there. It’s a matter of process as far as I am concern. It will forever remain so. Sharif had done what many Somalis and I wanted to him to do. He reached out and invited his opponents to join him and his entity. He was not only rejected, he was attacked. He was not only attacked, he was excommunicated from his faith. In your circles and in the higher echelons of the fringe groups you support, Sharif in considered non-Muslim, just like Omer Hashi was. That’s why it’s easy for alshabaab to execute suicide missions in the name of religion, and kill fellow Somali Muslims by the dozens. If you didn’t get it yet, as far as xiin is concern the real enemy Somalia has are those who are impeding efforts to revive Somalia. At this moment, in this year, and this month Ethiopia is not preventing Sharif’s tfg to take hold in the county. Alshabaab is. What I am getting is the debate is BETWEEN us. You and I. Sharif is not party to this discussion. AMISOM is not. It’s SOL yaa gaxash. Intaas haddaan kugu musmaaray, bal iiga hadda intaa soo baxdid oo xiniinya iska baartid NGONGE u sheeg inaad Keligi Muslim tahay so he does not harass me in the aisles of SOLs political section, protesting my description of you. Kaama harin, inaan meel kugu ogaadaan rabaa, waxaan rabaa sida Kashafa inaad tiraahdid dadka alshabaab laayaan waa baqti ama aad is garatid, tuurtid cheap slogans ka aad maalin walba meelaha la taagantahay oo aad dadkaaga dhinac ka raacdid.

This little kid is among the soldiers good Kashafa of SOL wants to capture Somalia. Sad. This kid is not that older than mine. He should've been in grade school by now. But sadly he is here carrying a gun, standing in the middle of a active war. Waa dagaalka xaabadiisa. Sorry to say that but that exactly what he is.

^^loool War waan saxay oo waa kii Maxamed Dheeg (tolow ma noolyahay?). I heard it in my 9th grade welina waan xasuustaa Siilaanyo wuu garan

Hodan Kayse waxaad ku tiraahdaan, Siilaanyo Mandella maaha waase oday soomaaliyeed. Bilaha soo socdaa la ogaanayyaa bal inuu dadka intaa u sheego Xidigtii dagaaroo dantay iyo zukhroo aad u dananaysaa Daruurihii horoo guray iyo kuwa cusub oo wada darrooraayya Dabkii ina riyaaloo baqtiyey iyo keennii oo dagalka nuuraayyaa Intaa haddii aan daawadoo layna daaliciyey Illeen dunidu way moogantee maan dadka u sheego u sheeg yaa Siilaanyo al Suumaali, dadka u sheeg

^^Bal car hakaa gar baxo. Allow yaa ogaada NGONGE guu pm ku waalaye'e

^^Run. But the point i am driving home here is this movement have religious slogans and perhaps good intention but its acts are far from the religion we know. the more that point becomes clear, the better. nin ruux soo tugaday oo masaajidka kasoo baxay ku janna tegayya for puerly political differences waa arrin soomaali ku cusub. But others have had similar developments before, and time has defeated such madness. Inshaa Allah we will come out of this.

^^Indeed.

Where are you? I have little time in my hands today

noted.

Labo Shubho oo Dhiig loo Daadiyo oo la Qiil Tiray (Bayaan) Bayaan ay soo saareen laba ka mid ah culimada dunida muslimka ugu caansan ayaa loogu baaqay kooxaha Soomaaliya isku dilaya inay dagaalka joojiyaan iyadoo dhanka kalana uu bayaanku qaadaa dhigay laba shubho oo dhiigga daadintiisa lagu bannaystay taasoo ay diin ahaan u daah rogeen. Bayaanka oo ay soo saareen Sheekha Caalimka wayn ah (Callaamah) Cabdullaahi bin shaykh almaxfuud bin bayyah oo ah madaxa xarunta caalamiga ah ee cusboonaysiinta iyo toosinta iyo daktoor Cabdullaahi Cumar Nasiif oo isna ah madaxa shirweynaha dunida muslilmka ayaa bayaankooda uu u qornaa sidatan. Diintu waa Nasiixa Walaalaha Soomaaliyeedoow.... Assalaamu Calaykum Waraxmatullaahi Wa barakaatuhu Waxay culimo iyo fuqaho waaweyn iyo ducaad horey idinkugu soo jeediyeen baaqyo ay ku codsanayaan inaad ka joogtaan dagaalka iyo isdilka kaasoo uu ugu danbeeyey bayaankii ay soo saareen ururka caalamiga ah ee culimada islaamka oo idinkugu baaqay inaad dagaalka joojisaan, wadahadalna u jalleecsataan. Waxaa bayaankaasi si cad u muujiyey sida ay jariimada ama danbiga dilka iyo dagaalka dhaxdiina ah uu u weyn yahay iyadoo uu bayaankaasi soo daliilsaday nusuus ama daliillo cad cad oo afjarayaal ah oo quraanka iyo axaadiistaba kusoo aroortay. Waxaa waajib idinku ahayd inaad dagaalka joojisaan mar haddii ay baaqyadaa xujooyinka cad cad xanbaarsan idin soo gaareen, waxaanse ognahay in sababta qaar dagaalka ugu sii wadaan ay ka dhalatay shubuhaad ay ku dheggen yihiin kuwaasoo aan halkan ku cadaynayno labada shubho ee kuwa wadahadalka diiddan ka laalaadaan oo aan xukumkooda sharciga ah caddaynayno si arrintu u kala caddaato (Qofkii halaagmaya ha ku halaagmo xujo cad kii noolaanayana xujo cad ha ku noolaado). Labada shubho waa in xukuumadda sheikh Shariif aysan shareecada islaamka oogin gaar ahaanna xuduudda halka shubhada kalana ay tahay (Al walaa wal Baraa) oo loola jeedo in xukuumadda sheikh shariif ay gacan saar la leedahay dawlado aan muslim ahayn. Labadan shubho ayaa ahaa kuwo kiciyey fitnada gaalaysiinta iyo bannaysiga dhiigga muslimiinta taasoo ka dhacday meelo badan oo dunida muslimka ka mid ah. Labadan shubho waxay ka dhasheen faham yari iyo meel qalad ah oo la dajiyo macnaha aayaadka ama axaadiista, waxaana labada sabab marqaati u yihiin hadalkii Cali bin Abii dhaalib Allaha ka raalli noqdee oo Khawaarijta markii ay yiraahdeen ?Alle uun baa Xukunka iska leh? oo ugu jawaabay ?Waa Oraah Xaq ah balse baadil loola jeedo?, maxaa yeelay waxay macanaha aayadda dhigeen meel aan booskeedii ahayn. Shubahada Dabaqista Shareecada Waxaan leenahay waxa shareecada soo hoos galaya waa ballaaran yihiin oo waxaa ka mid ah wax kasta oo la is faray ama alle naga reebay oo taabanaya qaybo kala duwan oo nolosheena xiriir la leh. Xuduudda oogisteeda waa qayb shareecada ballaaran ka mid ah oo loo baahan yahay in la fuliyo sharci ahaan si loo dabarjaro fasaad badan, waxaase loo baahan yahay in si shareecada si sax ah loo dabbaqo waa in la helo nidaam dalka ka taliya oo la adeecsan yahay iyo kala danbayn iyo xasilooni. Xuduudda oogista waa qayb ka mid ah axkaamta suldaanka islaamka sida macluumka ah iyadoo uusan suldaan ama taliskaa jirina ma waajibayso in xuduudda la oogo balse maba bannaanaba sida ay muslimiinta ku ijmaaceen oo uuna sheegay sheikh Qurdhubi. Midda labaad waa inaan fitno laga baqayn iyo khalal iyo dulduleel diineed sida ka muuqata falkii Cumar bin Khidaab oo uu ku joojiyay ciqaabta nafyiga. Midda seddexaad inaysan jirin shubhad hor istaagaysa oogista xadka sida gaajada oo kale oo uu Cumar bin Khidaab joojiyey gacan goynta sanadkii ramaada ee abaartu jirtay (Ogow in maantana ay Soomaaliya ka jiraan abaaro iyo gaajo baahsan) Islaamku waa hannaan isku xiran oo dhammaystiran oo tixgelinaya duruufaha dhaqaale, bulsho, nabadgalyo iyu ruuxeed ee dadka. Qofkii aan tani fahmin ma aha qof fahmay xaqiiqada shareecada islaamka iyo ujeedooyinkeeda ku salaysan u bishaaraynta iyo u sahlista. Xattaa haddii la helo sharuudihii iyo daruuftii xuduudda lagu oogi lahaa balse uu talisku oogi waayo -iyadoo uusan sharcinimadeeda iyo waajibnimadeeda inkirsanayn- ma aha qofkaasi ama taliyahaasi mid diinta islaamka ka baxay sida ay caddeeyeen kuwa wax xaqiijiya ee ahlu climiga ka midka ah, waxayna ku fasireen qowlka Alle ee oranaaya ?Ciddii aan ku xukmin wixii alle soo dajiyey kuwaasi waa kuwo gaalo ah? in gaalnimada aayaddu sheegaysaahi tahay gaalnimo yar ama ka sokeysa gaalnimda weyn ee diinta looga baxo waa sida uu sheegay C/llaahi bin Cabbaas oo ahaa turjumaankii Quraankee iyo saxaabiga kale ee Xudayfa allaha kawada raalli noqdee. Sida darteed mar haddii aan diinta looga baxayn ma aha in dadka tan lagula dagaalo oo dhiigooda lagu bannaysto maxaa yeelay gaalnimada booskeedu waa qalbiga iyo rumaynta. Waxay Xudayfa iyo Bin Cabbaas yiraahdeen ma aha gaalnimo diinta looga baxayo haddii qof muslimiinta ka mid ah uu ku xukmin waayo wixii Alle soo dajiyey ilaa uu qofkaasi kaga kufriyo ama diido Allah, malaa?ikta, kutubadiisa, rasuullada iyo maalinta aakhiro. Macnahan aan xusnay waxaa laga wariyey koox badan oo Culimada ka mid ah sida Bin Cabbaas, Daawuus iyo Cadhaa hadalkanna waxaa lagasoo qaatay Xaafidka Cabdul Birri iyo kitaabkiisa Al Tamhiid 5/74-75. Sidaas oo kale waxaa isna yiri Sheekh Ibnu Taymiya oo isna kasoo raraya hadalka Bin Cabbaas iyo Saxaabo kale iyo imaamyada Ahlu sunnah sida imaam Axmad bin Xanbal iyo kuwa kale, waxaana sido kale uu hadalka u tiirinayaa imaam Bukhaari. (Fataawaa ibnu Taymiyah). Waxaa faahfaahin dheeri ah laga heli karaa kitaabka ?Fataawaa Fikriyyah? gaar ahaanna curubka Gaalaysiinta?. Ma aha tani mid lagu fududeysanayo oogista xuduudda sharciga ah balse waa mid arrin walba booskiisa la dhigayo, dadkana loogu yeerayo nabad iyo in dagaalka la joojiyo si loo helo duruuftii sahli lahayd in shareecada la oogo. Allaah ma uusan halaagin reer Makka ama ma ogolaanin in makka lagula dhex dagaalo oo nabigiisa Muxammad SCW ka saaray Makko, oo la dagaalay oo cadaabay asxaabtiisa maxaa yeelay waxaa la ogaa in taasi keenayso in dhib kasoo gaarayo rag iyo dumar bari ka ahaa falka reer Makko oo Alle wuxuu ku xusay suuratul Fatxi (Haddii aysan ahaan lahayn rag iyo dumar muminiin ah oo (la nool ) oo aydan ogayn oo markaad cagta saaraysan gaalada ay dhici karto in kuwan aydan ogayn waxyeeshaan oo ceeb idinka soo gaarto iyo mashaqo (..waa la idin fasixi lahaa inaad kula dagaashaan Makko..). Mar haddii Alle reer Makko oo gaalo u badnaa nabiga iyo saxaabadiisa dhibay diiday in lagula dagaallamo Makko dhexdeeda si tiro yar oo aan la ogayn oo muslim ah dhib usoo gaarin, sideebaad adinkoo sheeganaya inaad xaq difaacaysan aad dagaal kaga dhex wadaysaan oo aad ku dilaysaan bulsho wada muslim ah oo intooda badan bari ah oo dhibka ugu bandanna uu rag, dumar iyo carrruur kasoo gaarayo dagaalka. Shubhada Labaad Waa shubhada Al walaa iyo al Baraa (Gargaarsiga iyo ka bari noqoshada oo inta badan lasoo daliilsado aayad oronaysaa ninkii gaalada ka wali yeesha iyaguu ka mid yahay..). Mabda walaa iyo baraa waa isna mid la dhigay meel aan booskiisii ahayn, laguna xanbaaray macno uusan xanbaari karin, dadkiina lagu gaalaysiiyey muuqaallo daahirka ah oo aan xaqiiqo lahayn iyo hadallo guud oo aan si dhab ah fasirkooda loo fahmin.. Erayga wilaaya ama walaa iyo erayada kale ee laga dhanbalay sida mawlaa, walliy waxay kitaabka iyo sunnada ugu soo arooreen siyaabo kala duwan iyagoo xanbaarsan macnayaal kala duwan oo gaaray ilaa iyo 21 macno sida Rabbi ama Eebbe, Maalik, Xoreeye, Qariib, Daris, Adeer, Waday ama partner, gargaare ...iwm. Murtadaa Zubaydi wuxuu leeyahay macaanidaa badankeed waxay ku timid axaadiista waxaana lagu xirayaa waxa uu taabtay xadiiskaa oo uu ku yimid. Walaaga waa noocyo iyo darajooyink kala duwan, midka diinta looga baxayana waa markii uu yahay walaa xagga caqiidada ah. Waxaa kamid ah walaaga midka xiriirinta iyo gargaarka qaraabada haba ahaadeen kuwa aan muslim ahayne (Qaraabadana qaarkeed qaarka kale ayuu ku mudan yahay oo uu u xaq leeyahay mara ka la eego kitaabka alle). Sidoo kale Nabiga scw wuxuu Asmaa ku yiri oo hooyadeed gaal ahayd ?Xiriiri hooyadaa..?. Walaaga wuxuu noqon karaa xaraan sida haddii uu ku jiro macsi iyo dil ku kaalmayn, Waxaase kooxaha muslimiinta qaarkood siiyeen erayga walaa macno aan sax ahayn, sidaa darteedna waa ka digeen culimada waayen ee ahlu sunnada sida Imaam Axmed bin Xanbal allaha ka raalli noqdee sida uu ka warinayo asdhakhari oo uu leeyahay imam Axmed Alwalaaya waa bidco al Baraana waa bidco sida ku timid kitaabka ?dhabaqaad al xanaabila? sidoo kalena wiilkiisa Cbadullaahi bin Axmed wuxuu kitaabkiisa alsunna ku xusay wax badan oo arrintan taabanaysa. Sidaa darteed ma bannaana in lagu dhago shubhada alwalaa wal baraa oo lala dagaallo ciidamada midawga Afrika ee u timid gacansiinta dalka kuna timid go?aan goboleed iyo mid Soomaaliba. Muslimiinta waxaa magangalyo bixin kara kooda ugu yar ama sokeeye ka warran haddii cid masuul ah ay tiraahdo ha la nabad geliyo waa in la qadirayaa, mana bannaana in lala dagaalo iyadoo ay ka mudan tahay in Soomalida ka heshiiso waqtiga ay joogayaan ama haddii ay ka maarmi karaan iyo waxa ay qabanayaan iyadoo hadii la heshiinayana ay sahlanaanayso inay dalka ka baxaan baahidii keentana ay meesha ka baxayso. Walaalayaal ilaahay ka cabsada oo dhexdiina hagaajiya, oo ha is gaalaysiinina si taasi laagu qiil bannayso dagaalka iyo daadinta dhiigga muslimka (Allena u toobad keena muminiinow waxaa la arkaa inaad liibaantaane..) Tani waa naseexo aan idiin soo jeedinayno waxaanan diyaar u nahay in aqoon isweydaarsi aan idinla yeelano si aan xaqqa u caddayno la xiriira arimahan aan ka hadalnay iyo kuwa kalaba. Waxaan xukuumada ay waxgaradka Soomalida ama qayb ka mid ah doorteenna ugu yeeraynaa inay wadahadalka xoogga saarto dagaal ka horow sidii Cali bin abii daalib uu sameeye oo Ibnu Cabbaas ugu diray khawaarijta oo uusan la dagaalin ilaa iyagu ay ka soo weerareen. Waxaan sidoo kale Jabuuti iyo Eretereya oo hore shacabka Soomaliyeed u garab istaagay waqtigi gumaysiga Itoobiya ka codsnaynaa inay mar labaad kawada shaqeeyaan sidii Soomaalida la iskugu keeni lahaa. Waxaan sidoo kale Culimada Soomaaliyeed ugu baaqaynaa inay bayaankan faafiyaan, wax ku daraan ka toosiyaan, ujeedkeennu waa xaqqa iyo sidii dhiigga daadanaya loo joojin lahaa. Waxaan ka rajaynaynaa Soomaalida inay diyaariyaan qorshe dalka looga saarayo dagaalka iyo dib udhaca iyo raadaadka ka dhashay waana kaa jihaadka dhabta ah. Sida ibnu Taymiya sheegay jihaadka waxaa soo galaya dhammaan hawlaha wanaagga iyo samafalka. Waxaan rajaynayaa in la helo qorshe dhammaan kooxaha kala duwan ku wadaagayaan baarlamaanka iyo xukuumadda, dibna loogu hagaajinayo qaab dhismeedka dowladda si ka tilmaan qaadaysanaya shareecada islaamka, ujeedooyinkeeda iyo xeerarkeedaba. Qorshe nololeed waa in lala yimaadaa ee maya qorshe geeriyeed (Kuwa Alle rumeeyey yeela haddii Alle iyo rasuulkiisa idinkuna yeeraan wax idin noolaynaya..). Qorshe nolol sharaf leh oo adduunyo iyo aakhiro u horseedaya shacabka sida in dhaqaalaha kor loosoo qaado, lasoo celiyo dadka qaxay, la gargaaro kuwa tabaalaysan, la tababaro hawlwadeennada dalku u baahan yahay, la qoro qawaaniin ku salaysan shareecada islaamka oo dadka kala hagta. La diyaariyo siyaasad dibadeed ku salaysan daris wanaag iyo ilaalinta danaha guud iyadoo si gaar ahna xiriir wanaagsan loola yeelanayo Jabuuti iyo Ereteraya oo shacabka Soomaaliyeed siyaabo kala duwan usoo garab istaagay waqtigii adkaa iyo sidoo kale dalwadaha islaamka iyo carabta oo iyana xiriii wanaagsan lala yeesho. Iyadoo ayna suurto gal tahay in Itoobiya lala gaaro heshiis ah inaan la isku soo xadgubin inkastoo ay horey xad gudub u samaysay. In dib u habayn lagu sameeyo ciidamada oo ay soo galaan kooxaha hubaysan ee kala duwan sida shabaabka, maleeshiyaadka kale, askartii hore iyo xittaa burcad badeedka si ay u wada helaan fursad ay dalkooda ugu adeegaan oo maciishadna ku helaan. Waana inaad madaxiina kor u qaadaan, cid kastana la kaashataan oo ay xitaa ku jiraan dawladaha waaweyn ee siyaasaadkoodii dib u eegaya sidii ay u noqon lahaayeen awood nabadgalyo oo aysan u noqon lahayn awood wax garaacda oo burburisa oo qura Waad sugteen geesinimadiina goobaha dagaalka waxaase la idin karabaa inaad sugtaan xilkasnimadiina sidii dalka dib loogu dhisi lahaa. Islaamka waa diin naxariis u ah caalamka oo idil waana diin nabad iyo jacayl. Nabiga naxariis iyo nabadgeliyo dushiisa ha ahaatee sida uu ibnu Isxaaq sheegay wuxuu amray Nabigu in la dhawro Eey carruur wadata oo gudbaysa wadada ciidankiisa oo aan laga argagixin xayawaankaa oo ay muddo u xayirnaayeen bal ka warrama ka naxinta, dilka iyo qixinta dad muslimiin ah. Kuwani waxay ahaayeen kuwa dareenkeena kusoo dhacay iyo cinwaanno ay haboon tahay inaad ka wadahadahsaan, innaguna aan diyaar u nahay inaan idinkala qayb galno sidii sharci ahaan loo salayn lahaa iyado maslaxadda siyaasadeedna la eegayo oo ka mid ah masaalixda shareecada islaamka sida uu xusay Abuu isxaaq Alshaadibi Alle ayaan u qasdaynaa oo nagu filan oo aan tala saaranaynaa Wasalamu Calaykum Waraxmatyullaahi wabarkaatuhu Callaama Cabdullaahi bin Shaykh Almaxfuud bin Bayyah Madaxa Xarunta Calamiga ah ee cuboonaysiinta iyo toosinta Iyo Dr Cabdulahi Cumar Nasiif Madaxa Shirweynaha ama Mutamarka Caalamka Islaamka Fataawadii oo carabi ah halkaan ka akhri: http://www.islamtoda y.net/albasheer/arts how-12-114405.htm Tarjumaaddii C/qaadir Cabdi xogta@garasho.net

Everyone is crying in Somalia Monday, July 06, 2009 The Juba River region, in Somalia, is hard country. Women are regularly eaten by crocodiles while fetching dirty water. The sandy farmland is either in drought or flooded. And the militants known as the Shabab, who rule the area, exact brutal justice. An Economist correspondent had to turn back from the town of Wajid last week because, within, a man was being beheaded. A day later, a clan leader was shot dead. At the time of this writing, three more were to be beheaded in Wajid, and two more had suffered the same fate in a nearby village. All were suspected of being "collaborators" with the internationally recognized, but largely powerless, transition government in Mogadishu that is protected by a small African peacekeeping force. It is led by Sharif Ahmed, a moderate Islamist, who once headed the Islamic Courts Union. This had imposed a tenuous calm in the city, but was swept from power by Ethiopian forces in 2006 because its erstwhile allies in the Shabab, or "Youth," had ties with al-Qaida. If anything, the intervention strengthened the Shabab and hardened their link with global jihadism -- not least because of an influx of foreign fighters who see Somalia as the next battleground for holy war. The Shabab now control most of south and central Somalia, and much of Mogadishu. Western security sources worry they could stage attacks outside the country, of the kind that destroyed the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. The Shabab, for their part, have nothing but contempt for President Ahmed. "Even you (an infidel) are closer to us than he is," one stern-looking Shabab commander tells an Economist correspondent. "He is far, far from us, because he has sold out his religion." Dressed in jeans and sandals and sporting a wispy beard, the commander asks not to be identified; even speaking to an unbeliever can invite retribution. There is a streak of pragmatism among the Shabab that is distinct from al-Qaida. The Shabab guarantee the safety of the food convoys of the United Nations' World Food Program. That said, there is an air of fear in Shabab-ruled areas such as Buale. Checkpoints are everywhere. Elders seem to be losing authority; they stick to resolving disputes over land and marriage. Residents are for the most part reluctant to talk. One tells the story of a 15-year-old boy who returned home to the Juba river after fighting with a ferocious Shabab unit in Mogadishu. When his mother pleaded with him not to return to the fighting, he threatened to kill her on the spot. Not all those who bear arms in the name of Islam support the Shabab. Several hundred kilometres northeast of Buale, in the town of Dusamareb, Sheikh Omar Sharif Muhammad, a Sufi religious leader, has mobilized fighters to "liberate" Mogadishu from the Shabab. On July 1, Somalia's Independence Day, a local crowd gathered to sing patriotic songs and raise the national flag, a white star on an azure background -- a rare sight for a country without a working government since 1991. Some of the men from his movement, Ahlu Sunna Waljama, had shiny new Kalashnikovs; Sheikh Omar said they were not gifts from Ethiopia or America, both of which want to counter the backing given to the Shabab by Eritrea and private Arab donors. Sheikh Omar's men do not have the strength to march on Mogadishu any time soon, but in several recent battles they have halted the northward advance of the Shabab. They claim to have killed all manner of foreign fighters, and to have recently intercepted two Canadians of Somali extraction sent out as suicide bombers. Security in the Galgadud, the desert region controlled by the militia, has improved. But the humanitarian situation is dire. The failure of the Gu rains, which fall between April and June, promises greater misery. Matters are made worse by the arrival of 60,000 people fleeing Mogadishu. Some of the refugees are gathered in a compound near Sheikh Omar's base, among them Muhammad Hassey, who says he has moved 10 times over the years to escape fighting. He finally left Mogadishu when his two brothers and two sisters were killed by a mortar shell. Kadijo Hassan, an elderly lady, interrupts. "Mogadishu is unbelievable," she says. "It is war. Everyone is crying there." Source: The Economist, July 6, 2009

^^in the big scheme of things a five month old speech is irrelevant to the conflict that is raging. Sol discussion is the reason I am precisely posting on this thread. It’s why I suspect you posted as well. Just the other day you asked me how alshabaab's is takfiiri movement. You also asked me why some one like you who supported the Beledweyne massacre in the name of religion is also takfiiri . I showed you how. I expected you to be bold and once and for all say what you truly believe in. following are very pertinent questions. Do you believe Sharif’s government is dawladah riddah as alshaab assert? If yes this running debate will have a conclusion. If no, however, I want to you to reconcile your support for a group that plays loose with the basic tenets of Islamic caqiidah and your own conviction that the blood of other Muslims are sacred at least from conceptual perspective. Which leads to this question: do you still think taking out Ina Hashi, killing 82 elders, intellectuals, and businessmen were justified from a theological standpoint as alshabaab’s claim? You see I am asking you questions you have the ability to answer. I am not asking you to comment on a one particular speech. Apparently you and I see this conflict through two very different lenses. All I am asking you is, just like Keligii Muslim Kashafa did, to come out and tell the likes of NGONGE that your support for alshabaab is not akin to having a soft spot for a particular group. I want you to tell the gallery that you are indeed supporting them out of conviction that their version of Islaanimo and Soomalinimo is the correct version. For the millionth time, it does not matter who gave what a speech years ago, or months ago for that matter. What matters is where do you stand today. It’s pity that intelegent people are falling for this fallacious logic to formulate political arguments, or as a measure of someone’s position. Ps perhaps I should post a topic about the meaning of khaatimah in the Islamic section.

^^^^I am not sure you and I agree with what constitutes 'something nice' in this context. Take a moment and ponder what you are suggesting here awoowe. Do you seriously think posting five months old speech (I didn’t even listen speech Wallaahi) warrants a discussion? For what purpose awoowe? Lets stay with the murtad, and dawladah riddah point. there yaa NGONGE is where a beneficial debate can be found. Fabregas soo bax awoowe, kolba meelahaad ku gabanaysaaye.

^^ Waryee Oodweyne wax badan baa is bedelay awoowe. Faroole has come to harvest miro Washington ka bislaaday, adigu qudhaadu waa goosan kartey ee balaayya harga ku lushay markaasad bakh-bakhdii ina waraabe run mooday. guux hoosa jira, waxbaa bislaanayya in the south there is a armed caravan. in the north however there is a silent caravan. faroole watta

This thread contains nothing of substance for me to tackle. Actually North and I are elevating the discussion here awoowe. The fickle ones waste their time debating and analyzing political speeches and rhetorical flourishes of Sharif while avoiding addressing the real issues at hand. If one supports alshabaab because he is angry at Sharif’s rise to the top post and the means he chose to achieve it that would be a different story. If one however supports the political platform of alshabaab, agrees with their theological positions, approves their tactics, if one does that after it’s clear what alshabaab stand for, it would be very hard for that same person to hide under having a soft spot for alshabaab. I have pierced through such bogus veil before awoowe, and believe me there is no difference between Kashafa and Fabregas in terms of celebrating the destruction of Somalia in the name of liberation. Now Fabregas has supported the killing of 82 people in Beledweyne, we had discussion on that and he more or less agreed with the theological basis of alshabaab’s madness. Who is urging me to discuss about Sharif’s speech while muffling waxa laysku hayyo? Look at your intellectual hypocrisy awoowe.