^^one you can send all your questions eh? That would not be an easy task Ibti . Lets tame the place first Malika I said at least, the key word, so the more knoweledgeable, the better. Ibti is a Burcawi girl who could certainly get this place in order,she has the knowledge and experience though I am not sure she watched Marx's nonse YouTube clips

^^Ramadan Kariim to you too ya Ibti @Sheh being the Imam of Women Section I thought she was one of the bullies of this place

Women Section Imam Description Use interpersonal communication skills, such as starring persistently at women sections known bullies to dampen their bad spirit, connects various SOL women intellectuals to build an awakened base, provides spiritual guidance for women congregations during the month of Ramadan, stares persistently at known bullies in this section and instills fear in their heart, dampens prevalent bad spirits and dries up the source, builds coalition with SOL admins to form unbreakable alliance against trouble makers, uses quran to beat ceratin possessed souls into shape Qualifications Memorizes at least Inamal acmaalu biniyyaat xaddiith, and half of Juz camma Graduated from eNuri Soft Waano Dacwa school, 3 years experience in SOL political section, deep understanding of the art of trolling and other various methods employed to disrupt useful dialogues and meaningful debates, experience of at least one hostile encounter with NGONGE and other male bullies, watched at least one Youtube clip of Marx’s talalac filled tirades, have good, working relationship with Blessed, Malika, KK, Serenity and other responsible females of SOL Job Information Primary Location: virtual Hiring Manager: Rahima Compensation: Ajar katheer

waraa wacdaraha, nuune dheeshaanuu ka helaa, asaga double Ds waa ugu baxdaa , meesha upper case H iyo I ka ilaali lee Dadkaan mashaakil waayye, su aal aa laydin weydiiyyee haa ama mayya mid maa iska tiraahdaan

This is by far the most thought provoking article I read in Somali for sometime. Ibrahim a man whose literature commentary I liked before is on something profound here. Halkan ha ii yaalo, waan usoo noqone IA.

Fulayada Fikirka

no, CW is not part of PL

Ducaysane ficilaa haysey

This is how GarooweOnline spinned: GALKAYO, Somalia Aug 17 (Garowe Online) - Somalia's interim Prime Minister Omar Abdirashid Ali Sharmake has fired Foreign Minister Abdullahi Oomar in a dispute over the Prime Minister's first visit to the northern regions of Puntland, confidential sources tell Garowe Online. Mr. Abdullaho Oomar The Prime Minister has appointed Mr. Ali "Jangeli" Ahmed as the Horn of Africa country's new Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr. Jangeli, who was Foreign Minister during President Abdullahi Yusuf's term, is presently part of the Prime Minister's delegation in Galkayo. It is not clear why the Prime Minister fired Mr. Oomar, but unconfirmed reports said the former Foreign Minister refused to accompany Prime Minister Sharmake as part of the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) delegation in Galkayo city for talks with Puntland government leaders. The Prime Minister is expected to a formal announcement soon, with some reports voicing the possibility for a complete Cabinet re-shuffle. Meanwhile, official talks between the visiting TFG delegation and Puntland government leaders are scheduled to begin tomorrow. Prof. Ibrahim Addow, the TFG's Minister for Higher Learning, is also expected to join the talks. The talks will primarily focus on cooperation between the TFG and Puntland government organs in the fields of security, politics and resource-sharing. It is Sharmake's first visit to Puntland since being appointed Somali PM in February 2009. Source: Garowe Online

Xaaji NGONGE as you can see hawshu si habsami leh bay u socottaa

Wararkii ugu dambeeyey kulamada PL & Fedraalka 19 Aug 19, 2009 - 5:35:41 AM Waxaa magaalada Galkacayo ee gobolka Muqdug [Puntland] ka socda kulamo xasaasi ah ee u dhexeeya waftiga uu hogaaminayo Raísal Wasaaraha Somalia Cumar Cabdirashiid Cali Sharmaake iyo dowlada Puntland. Kulamo hordhac ah oo maalintii shaley dhacey ayaa waxaa lagu xuley sadex gudi kuwaasoo howlahooda ku jirey xaley ilaa maanta 19 August,2009 iyada oo la filayo in maalinta berri ah uu kasoo baxaan qoraal labada dhinac u dhan yihiin. Guddiyada labada dhinaca iska xuleen ayaa waxaa ay ka kooban yihiin sadex: 1-Guddiga Siyaasada ayaa waxaa kuwada jira Madaxweynaha Puntland Cabdiraxman Maxamad Farole, Madaxweyne ku-xigenkiisa C/samad Cali Shire, Gudomiyaha Barlamanka Puntland halka dhinaca dowladda Somalia ay matalayaan Raísal Wasare Cabdirashid Cali Sharmaake, Wasiirka Arrimaha dibadda, Wasiirka Tacliinta iyo xubno kale. 2-Guddiga iskaashiga dhaqaalaha iyo arrimaha bulshada [ Cafimadka, Waxbarshada] kuwaasoo ka hadli doona qaabkii ay labada dhinac isaga kashan lahayeen arrimahan. 3-Guddiga sharciga iyo nabadgalyada kuwaasoo ka hadli doona arrimaha Dastuurka Fedraalka. iskaashiga xagga amniga sida tabarada Ciidamada iyo arrimo badan oo la xiriira ciidamada AMISOM qaabka ay uga howl galaan Somalia. Howlaha iyo kulamada gudiyadan ayaa ila xaley iyo maanta ka socdey Hotel ku yaala duleedka magaalada Galkacayo halkaasoo labada dhinaca wada dagan yihiin. Dhinaca kale amaanka Galkacayo ayaa aad loo adkeyey iyada oo ciidamada gaafa wareegayaan daafahaha xarunta ay dagan yihiin madaxda maamulka Puntland iyo Fedraalka. Shacabka Galkacayo ayaa sidoo kale gacan weyn ka gaystey amniga iyaga oo aad u soo dhoweeyey in magaladooda ay ka dhacayaan kulamadan muhiimka ah kuwaasoo looga tashanayo aayaha Puntland iyo Somalia. Arrimaha gobolka Mudug Weli lagumu guuleysan in qaybaha bulshada ay soo xulaan xubnihii uga qayb gali lahaa golaha deganka kuwaasoo dooran doona duqa magalada Galkacayo balse warar Garowe Online heley ayaa sheegaya in Madaxweynaha Puntland uu haysto qoraal ay sixiixeen dhamaan dhinacayada wada daga gobolka kaas oo ah in isagu magacaabi doono guddiga hadii waqtiga loo qabtey la dhaafo. Garowe Online, Galkacayo

Ethiopian deputy FM lands in Hargeysa

Gaalkacyo: Wada hadala DF iyo Puntland oo qodobadii ugu muhiimsanaa laysku afgartay..Warbixin., , 19. august 2009 - APL Gaalkacyo(AllPuntlan d)- Madaxda dowladda Puntland iyo Raysalwasaaraha Soomaaliya ayaa wada hadalo ku lahaa magaalada Gaalkacyo ee gobalka Mudug, waxa ayna dhinacyadu hada isku afgarteen inta badan wada xaajoodyadii ugu dambeeyey qodobo door ah oo ku aadan xaaladaha dalka Soomaaliya. Dowladda Puntland ayaa hor dhigtay dowladda Soomaaliya waxyaabaha ay ka cabaneyso, oo ay ugu horeeyaan in laga qadiyey waxyaabihii ay xaqa ugu lahayd dowladda Soomaaliya iyo qodobo kale oo ay ku jiraan xiriir xumo ay muujineyso dowladda Soomaaliya. Sidoo kale dowladda Puntland ayaa uxaqiijisay dowladda Soomaaliya in ay taageersan tahay nidaamka faderaalka, balse aysan marnaba yeeli doonin qodobada ay ka mid yihiin Midnimo qaran iyo waxyaabo aysan isku raacsaneyn Shacabka Soomaaliyeed, taasoo ay aqbaleen wafdiga dowladda Soomaaliya. Wafdiga Raysalwasaaraha Soomaaliya ayaa xaqiijiyey in ay waxyaabo badan qaldan yihiin, waxa ayna balan qaadeen in ay Puntland heli doonto waxyaabaha ay hesho dowladda Soomaaliya, isla markaasna lugu qeybsan doono 4.5 ayna muhiim tahay dardargalinta qorshaha dibu soo celinta amaanka iyo Siyaasadii dalka Soomaaliya. Saraakiil ka tirsan dowladdaha Soomaaliya & Puntland oo kulamadan joogay ayaa uxaqiijiyey AllPuntland in ay xooga kulamadan soo dhamaadeen, isla markaasna saacadaha nagu soo aadan uu soo bixi doono go'aan cadaynaya waxyaabaha laysku raacay iyo qodobada laysku soo qaaday. Puntland & dowladda Soomaaliya ayaa marar badan isku qabsatay waxyaabo kala gedisan, waxaana dhismihii dowladda hada jirtaa aysan ka farxin dowladda Puntland, markii Jabuuti loo fadhiyey, oo ay Puntland ka soo baxayaan go'aamo ay ku sheegayso in aysan aqbali doonin dowladda ka soo baxday halkaasi, balse wada hadalo dhexmaray Madaxweyne Shariif & Madaxweynaha dowladda Puntland Dr. Faroole, lana magacaabay Dr. Cumar C/rishiid Cali Sharmaake oo Siyaasi ka soo jeeda deegaanada Puntland. Heshiiska la gaaray ee lasoo gudbin doono wuxuu noqo doonaa, kii ugu horeeyey oo noociisa ah oo ay isla meel-dhigaan dowladda Soomaaliya iyo dowladda Puntland ee dalka Soomaaliya, waxaana marnaba ay Siyaasiin badan aaminsan yihiin in uusan xiriirku noqon karin mid wanaagsan, waxaana loo sababeynayaa Wasiirada ku jira qaarkood oo aan ogoleyn jeclayna Puntland horumarkeeda. F. C. Maxamed AllPuntland

Axsaabta Mucaaradka oo jawaab ka bixiyay baaqa wada-hadal ee Madaxweyne Rayaale Arbaco, August 19, 2009(HOL): Labada Xisbi Mucaarad ayaa jawaab ka bixiyay baaq ka soo yeedhay Madaxweyne Rayaale oo ku saabsanaa in ay wada-hadal isugu yimaadaan saddexda Guddoomiye Xisbi. Warsaxaafadeed ay wada-jir u soo saareen labada Guddoomiye Xisbi ee UCID iyo KULMIYE Faysal Cali Waraabe iyo Axmed Maxamed (Siilaanyo) oo arrintan ku saabsan ayaa wuxuu u dhignaa sidan; “KU: MUDANE, DAAHIR RAYAALE KAAHIN MADAXWEYNAHA JAMHUURIYADDA SOMALILAND UJEEDO: JAWAAB CELIN Mudane, Annagoo tixraacayna warqadaada summadeedu ahayd JSL/M/XISMD-001/0820 09, waxaad naga guddoontaa salaam sharaf leh. Marxalada siyaasadeed ee qalafsan ee dalkeenu maanta maraayo, waxaanu aaminsanahay in adiga iyo xubno ka mid ah Komishanka doorashooyinka Qaranku aad mas’uuliyadeeda leedihiin:- 1-Ka dib markii aad ka talaabsateen sharciyadii dalka ee Qaranimada Ummaddu ku taagneyd. 2-ka dib markii aad baalmarteen hab-dhaqankii suubanaa ee ummadda Somaliland ay ku soo caano maashay ee ahayd wada hadal, wada tashi iyo isutanaasul . 3-Ka dib markii aad waxba kama jiraan ka dhigteen diiwaangelintii codbixiyayaasha, taasoo dedaal iyo dhaqaale mug leh kaga baxay ummaddeena iyo bulshada caalamka ee daneeya geedi-socodka dimuqraadiyada Somaliland, iyadoo laf dhabar u ah doorasho XOR iyo XALAAL ah. 5-ka dib markii aad dhaawacdeen xidhiidhkii diblomaasiyadeed ee aynu la lahayn bulshada caalamka, rajada ictiraafkeenana waxtarka u lahayd. Sidaas darteed, iyagoo labada Xisbi (UCID iyo KULMIYE) mabaadii’dooda aasaasiga ah ay saldhig u tahay wada-hadal iyo wada-tashi in lagu dhammeeyo khilaaf kastoo jira, marar badana muujiyeen dulqaad siyaasadeed iyo tanaasul, haddana, aaminsan inay waajib tahay in si dhab ah loogu fekero danta guud ee dalka, labada Xisbi waxay soo dhaweynayaan wada-hadalka iyo wada-tashiga aad soo jeedisay. Mudane Madaxweyne, Waxaanu si sharaf leh kaaga codsanaynaa inaad marka hore ku soo noqotid xayndaabkii sharciyadeed, kana noqotid go’aankii aad adiga iyo xubno ka mid ah Komishanku keligiin ku laasheen natiijadii diiwaangelinta codbixiyayaasha, aqbashidna go’aankii Golaha xeer-dejinta (Wakiillada), ka dibna laysugu yimaado wada-tashi. Barkhad M. Kaariye Hiiraan Online barqad@hotmail.com Hargeisa, Somaliland

^^ Oodweyne meeshuu jiraa, NGONGE na asagaa ka wakiil ah

I dont see NGOGE and Oodweyne on this list

I accept your offer to agree to disagree. We live in two different realities. In my reality Somalia is not occupied and its misery stems from the fact it failed due to internal strife, which is political in nature. With all due respect understanding the current world order does not put me in league with those who were hesitant to accept Abraham’s message. Such simplistic thinking is what pulling Somalia back from the race toward peace and stability. On the bigger picture, and when things are put in context, Somalis are not oppressed group, and Ethiopia is not an empire capable of subjugating Somalis in Somalia. The fall of Somali state did not start in 2006. Emergence of Islamic courts did not end the Somali civil war; it only tamed one city and its environs. The fall started in 1991, and Ethiopia was not involved in a significant way. In fact a two rebel groups entered their respective capitals roughly at the same time, Aydid headed one group, and Zenawi was the leader of the other. As the Mingeste regime fled, and Zenawi militia entered Adis, Ethiopians kept and took care their institutions they served their ministries and institutions, loyally, and meekly staying on their capacities, seemingly resigned to their fate. The outcome was starkly different in Mogadishu ya Nur. As Siyad’s regime fell, retreating soldiers robbed off what they could from national institutions while Aydid’s militia raced for their share of the loot. As the populace vacated the city, and the order of governance collapsed, the killing of innocent (at times mass execution of entire communities) started. Within few years time, the national treasures were sold to outside vendors, government buildings scrapped, and the symbols of Somalis struggle for independence torn down, skinned for its precious metals. And well before that, the regime itself committed atrocities that sewed the seed of the 1991 destruction. In Hargeysa, in other places, the memory of the infamous aerial offense is still fresh. But so was the case in Ethiopia’s toppled regime. As you can see however while in Ethiopia a regime was replaced, in Somalia a nation was destroyed. I leave others to dwell on conspiracy theories but I cannot help but observe that the tribal nature of Somalis and the injustices and political grievances inherited from the previous regime played a major role. And that mistrust does still exist. Where I am going with this is that it’s easy to lump events together, it’s easy to assign blames to other forces, but the roots of Somali civil war is known, and all the efforts to rewrite it or deny will be futile. Somalia’s conflict is political in nature hence what Somalia needs are not more wars to liberate occupied swaths of land but it needs a sound understanding of the roots of its conflict and a political will to reconcile its desperate political entities so the country can come back again. When the state gets back on its feet, and a functioning government takes hold, other issues of national interest can be taken up and prioritized. Awoowe as I said before Sharif and current TFG is a political arrangement that can be improved. It’s not Noah’s arc as you sarcastically referred to. It’s however a departure point from which a reconciliation process can commence. It does not desire to overpower its adversaries, and if alshabaab is militarily defeated they have themselves to blame for they rushed a war that was unnecessary and not needed. Ahlu sunnah wal jinni is alshabaab sibling, they were intellectually defeated two decades ago, and have been awaken delivered to political victory by alshabaab’s extremist approaches in demolishing graves that only contain bones of dead Muslims. Finally on the masaalix Ummah matter, I did not remember dropping a discussion if I did accept my belated apologies and please refresh my memory what was the topic you referring to. But to say Muhammad (scw) did not consider the safety of his followers as was manifested in his approaches in that era is utterly untrue ya Nur. Even the Quran makes the same point in line with Muhammad’s Mecca policy (law tazayalluu lacathabna ladiina kafaruu). In fact life is a sacred being in quran, saving one life equals saving the entire humanity, and killing it is akin to killing the whole humanity. There are exceptions of course but this alshabaab notion of easily killing and taking innocent lives while aspiring for lofty objectives is deeply flawed one. You accuse me of being harsh on alshabaab,and it’s true that I was and still am a firm critic of their misguided policies and their lack of consideration of the political context in which they operate. I grant you that. But accusing me of not speaking out against warlords and their behaviors when they were relevant in Somali politics is to put it mildly a misplace blame. Obviously I don’t consider Sharif a warlord. I consider him a Somali leader who has a good heart and right ideas. His entity is realistic political arrangement, and as I said many times it can be vastly improved. Opposing it because hebel iyo hebel baa ku jira waa childish attitude. Shariicah will take hold when responsible Islamic system is put in place, and that will take time, but insha Allah it will gradually come to fruition. Makeshift courts and arbitrary execution do not represent the implementation of Shariicah Islamiyah. Shariicah requires a consenting critical mass, competent jurists, and a reasonable judicial infrastructure. It requires more than enthusiastic followers. It requires knowledge and fiqh.

Faarax, it’s obvious that PL desires to secure its share of the TFG budget. There has been financial support from internationals donors that amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars. PL is also interested to participate capacity buildings projects the world is funding especially those relating to security forces trainings. TFG is primarily interested in security cooperation, it’s not asking money from PL whose budget is very meager and can not even support its basic infrastructure including education and health. TFG is also seeking formal recognition to legitimize the reach of its authority however ceremonial in nature. All of these hinge on the progress made on the question of Federalism and its legal and jurisdictional ramifications. The political implications are risky and these discussions may not be finalized this week or next. But it is a good start. This is giving ideas to Oodweyne as to how to secure your share and status in the existing political framework. Don’t be livid with the system it says

Adduunyo! First off, it is not my style to comment every line you write. So forgive me for not doing so. You need to pay attention here Nur. Somalia is not occupied. No matter how you put it or whether you inject Ethiopia in to this discussion Somalis are primarily responsible for taking Somalia down. That they have been sustained by external powers seeking to exploit the opportunity Somalis afforded them is a secondary matter. Syria lost Golan Heights ya Nur and that does not mean Syria is occupied or lost its sovereignty as a nation state. This is elementary Wallaahi. Somalia is not occupied. Ethiopian incursions represent the political and security manifestations of a state that lost its center. But all of that, including the customary mention of Zenawi in almost every topic, is discussing on the periphery of the Somali conflict. Sharif, warlords, secessionists, ahlu sunnah wal jamaacah, PL, and alshabaab are Somalis. Not withstanding alshabaab’s expedient fatwas, these entities are all Muslims. What you are supporting (you can say otherwise but you are supporting a fringe group that has rejected every effort to settle this conflict since the birth of Sharif’s tfg) is not an alternative at all. What you call resistance is a reactionary group that espouses ideological teachings that are militaristic in nature, and completely out of line with how a conflict amongst Muslims is resolved. Even worse, their objectives are unreasonably retaliatory in nature, not at all conducive to the bigger masaalix of the Ummah including security and stability in the region. They attacked an entity that was in its infancy, militarily weak and politically fragile in the hope to topple it, forcing it to seek outside help in more pronounced fashion. That is precisely the reason the flow of Somali refugees continues even after Ethiopian troops withdrew. Not sure what the source of your protest was but when I said as alshabaab kill and maim, they will be killed and maimed, I was speaking to a reality on the ground. It’s the nature of things yaa Nur. Every action, foolish or otherwise has a reaction. Alshabaab and the militaristic policies they chose are breathing into life a warlord system that has been more or less diminishing. This warlord phenomenon is showing vital signs of life. And the irony is this uncompromising group, alshabaab that is, seems to be offering all the excuses, security or otherwise, for those who would like Somalia down. Speaking of world order, I can’t believe you are resorting quranic reference to debunk that statement of mine. The world order is a reality ya Nur. It has a political, economic and military ramifications. Challenging it I don’t mind. Denying it yaa Nur is not an option. But choosing Somalia to down this well-oiled regime is a nonstarter. It’s unwise. Unrealistic. It defies the sunan of Allah. One should not call out for a dual whose task one is ill prepared. In the big scheme of things, even this world order is within Allah’s plan. Perhaps it will take a gradual plan to exact a more fairer order. ducada aamiin

^^Mayyee adeer adeer kii baa kugu dhacay. Annagaad noo been guuraysaa.

Farax, The sequence is mine. It has no weight.

Originally posted by Laba-Alifle Inshaar: War kani meela uma socdo adeer. Xogtiisa waan soo helay. Villa Somalia unbaa salaada la isu xajiyaa oo qosol iyo waynu guulaysanay la yidhaa isaga iyo inta la taagta ah. He has no idea of what governance is all about. One single day, wax policy ah iyo wax milestones ah uu ka hadlayo arki maysid. Wiilkii wax qaban lahaana wuu wareeriyay oo kaalay Ataxiyaadka ila xaji siduu u lahaa buu wakhtigiiu dhafiyey. The other day this President was there to put the laurel on a junior Ugandese officer. I mean do you need him there? Muu Wasiiro hoose ku daayo. You know why he is there. His clan advisors baa ku yidhi "rer-hebel (pirates) gaal xaggi yayana dib inooga marin.". Wuuba waashay wuxu. Awoowe, saad u fiicantahay baad dib u noqottaa. Sharif has two years to succeed or fail but Somalia had twenty years of failure. Read the lyrics awoowe. PL and TFG are talking, not fighting. They are closing the gaps between them, redefining the way central government has been traditionally perceived. The world is paying attention. A Somali forces are being established. They are being trained in Jabbuuti. Ethiopia is not coming to enter Somalia as it often does to disrupt the political cohesion that is slowly forming. The forces that rejected peace are running out of stamina, and their momentum is waning. I mean this week is not the week to complain about mere ministerial reshuffle. Gandhi and Oomaar were my two favorite ministers in the entire bunch, and I find their replacement astonishing. But who said Sharif was not a politician. Keep your eyes on the ball awoowe Edit: Sophist, hope all is well awoowe. I just saw your comment. This cabinet does not worry me though I would've liked Gandhi and Oomaar keep thier portfolios.

^^ War goormaa lagu maray. Adna ma adeer adeer kii baa kugu dhacay

^^That is what a bored Somalilander thinks . Puntland asked this discussion a while back well before the Galkacyo incident occurred. It’s imperative for Puntland’s development and stability to clarify its relationship with TFG. These are serious discussions and will have political implications for Faroole and Sharif. But Somalia will be better for it. Puntland is a state within a Federal Somalia. It has never claimed to be anything other than that.

Originally posted by Raamsade: This thread offered an understanding of the word Kufr. In the original post, the etymology of the word Kufr was analyzed and a context for its use was provided. The analysis reached the conclusion that Kufr describes one who turned his back on his Creator or showed ingratitude. But there is a glaring problem with this conclusion. God of Islam (along with Christianity and Judiasm and perhaps other religions as well) is said to be perfect in every sense of the word and in need of nothing including gratitude. A perfect God can not, by dint of pure logic, need a display of gratitude from his creation. That is what being Perfect entails. Either God is not perfect in which case He requires a show of gratitude from his creation or He is perfect and in no need of gratitude. It's either one or the other. But you can't have both at the same time. This much is obvious to any rational person. It's just that those bound by religious dogma can not accept the obvious truth. This is the terrible price religious dogma exacts on the faithful. Raamka, requiring gratitude does not necessarily suggest that God is in need of one’s appreciation. That requirement is simply a mere test case. From Islamic theology life in its entirety is test given for you. A bigger theological question would be why test at all. Perhaps it’s to see who is wise with his choices---a test after all is to gouge one’s ability to select few options from many.