^^Mayye awoowe magalaaduu Aw degenaa markii iigu danbeysay baa H ka bilaamaysay Marka gabayna waa i hayey

^^loooooooool@herar in central africa Waryaa you are resolved to misunderstand me war the herar in central africa, or some close to it, is intentionally encypted for Aw Tusbaxle. He will tell you tomorrow its existence.

^^ laakiin as i told you Herar in teh poem is not the historical Herar you were refereing to. Why insist on it still ?

^^You have a propensity for examining everything in clannish lenses. Even a light-hearted poem such as the one I posted is not exempt. I am sure Aw will appreciate its literary value.

^^ Waryee i was actually meaning the name of the city Aw Tusbaxle was living in last time I checked with him without fully spelling it out. But i can understand how that could be interepreted in the historical context

Haddaan gabayga soo tirin lahaa gaabshay waayahan'e Waxsan goconayyaa waa midkaan Aw gabraha baase'e Shisheeyuhuba godob buu qabaa goor iyo ayyaane'e Kamana goosanine reer tolkiis gole'un loo saarye'e War waa garab la'aan wuxuu galabsanaayaayye'e Gantaalkuu ku riday Galkacyaa gaaray Dhagaxiiyye Garaadxumidu soo middaa geysay Herar maaha Dhagax = Fat Stone city Herar = somewhere near central Africa

^^I am sorry if you understood it that way But we dont hang our arguments on one single nail.

NG, you are being playful as always. Awoowe, TFG has many shortcomings, and no one denies it. What we have here is conspiracy theories that make alshabaab the only group who got it right in understanding what the world wants of Somalia. The rest is, from this viewpoint, enabler of that CIA agenda. Ergo Kismayo being the Sovereign Capital of Somalia. Castro: Awoowe weli xammaali baan ku jiraa.

^^Don’t complicate matters, brother. Nur is missing the point big time when he chooses to delve in CIA machinations to some how rationalize Alshabaab’s madness, and taint the religiosity of those in the TFG. Such naive and dangerous rhetoric where the sides fighting in Somalia are divided as Muslims vs. Kuffaar is what took the lives of many Muslims and enabled these youths to kill as many people as they could. When we clearly requested from him to narrow the parameter of this debate to make it more meaningful one, he willfully refused. No one closed this thread, and obviously Nur will still be able to continue with his talking points, but there is nothing of intellectual discourse that could be had here. And on the question of suicide, I welcome anyone who can persuade me along with SOL readership that what happened in Beledweyne, Hargeysa, Boosaaso, and Mogadishu (and other cities as well) where suicide missions killed large Muslims executed by Alshabaab has a sound religious basis.

LX, Forget about what happened in Xamar. Instead, if you are up for a discussion, explain to me from a religious perspective, the Beledweyne mass murder which your group took credit for (it was, they said, camiliyyah istish-haadiyah mubaarakah ).

Maadeey wax ba'ay weeyye, dadkii oo dhan baa hadda ogaaday Heestani waa expression of anger. a justifiable anger. Intaa uga hara.

At this point, in password kii brother Nur la xaday baan u malaynayyaa . How else could one describe Kismayo of all places where xuruubul fitnah are raging as we speak, and Muslim blood is being spilt on a weekly bases as a Sovereign Capital of Somalia!!!! I agree with Castro and North, if Nur is not willing to talk sense and discuss reality on the ground without cheap slogans and clichés, there is no discussion (a meaningful discussion, that is) to be had here. This Keligii Muslim madness called Alshabaab is a threat to the religion itself. It's sad, really sad, that Nur supports this fitnah . Wallee waa naloo baqay

Originally posted by Nur: Akhwaani Xiin and Norfsky If we want to solve the current debacle, we need to return things back to the state of affairs of summer of 2006. Nur ^^ Ilaahow kuu naxariiso

Maadeey, dont mislead the somali challenged on the site ninna kuma caayin dhan isku leexo weeyye xikmaddu waryee

Maadeey, Nur kaa fiican. In kastuu conspiratorial stuff waayadan maciinsaday haddanna waa nin la aqrin karo. Adigu waxaa tahay, Sida gaari shagii ninkaam goon walba u jeeda, …. Wallee laba garaadlow kol danbe kaama guro sheeko

^^Inaan qabtaan rabaa

Maadeey, Kasoo qayb gal doodaan qaaliga ah ee brother Sh.Nur bilaabay, waa haddaad naf leedahay The Nail of Juha

Jemce wanaagsan Santaaro War ninyahow nin bahasha ammaan ka dhigay, anna waxaa ku ogaa iyadoo sanbuuska lagu gatto

saaxiib ilaahay balaayya i tuurta iima keeno, sariirta waa lagu seexda, paragon. Midda kale 3 dex picture hal sareer oo moollo ku jirto ay ku paractice garaynaayaan

Joodariga moollo aa ku jirta

Originally posted by Maaddeey: Xiin, thread-yo kale ayaan su'aalahaas uga hadalnay, sax? Maadeey, mayya ma arag meel aad uga hadashay ee ii tilmaan haddey jirto awoowe. Car, ka jawaab . Am trying to ease your labor. Midda kale afsoomaligu waa mergi ee ogow. Aad ha ugu mashquulin 'y'da iyo hawleheeda

^Car, hadda waa car, ka jawaab su'aalahaan ku weydiiyey ! Oh xarfaha laba laabma, to scoff away you little dig there are here: manalagaraadbaa

^^Sucuudigu soo meeshaan u socdo maaha adeer

Maadeey, Awoowe, you are debating on the edges of alshabaab debate. Wiilashu muslimka ma isku qarxiyyaan mise iskuma qarxiyyaan boowe? Caddow alla yarxam e ma ku jirey dawla riddah ? Dawla riddah haddii lala diriraayyo, wasiiraddeedu saw target noqonmayyaan? kor u foof awoowe, and tackle those questions.

Great post ya Nur. Though my hope that you would not labor on the details of the conflict (who killed the ministers, who committed suicide at a particular event, and who shelled the masses…etc) seems to have been dashed. Nevertheless we can still, I hope, talk about the current gridlock and identify which party in this conflict summoned its strengths to continue the violence and reject dialogue. In its most contemporary definition, conflict arises when there is a clear divergence of interest. That is to say, parties’ aspirations cannot be simultaneously achieved. The incompatibility of interests therefore lays the foundation for the basic construct of a zero-sum scheme. To diminish such pronounced divergence of interests, one must possess deep understanding of the interests, and aspirations of both sides. And with wisdom and prudence, one would hope, favorable alternatives that satisfy both parties could be found. And with that framework in mind, lets not become fixated upon reading narrow narratives risking important matters, and even the large picture of why the conflict is occurring in the first place, recede into the background. Also, as a rule in this debate, lets not cite known grievances to rationalize one party’s madness. I begin with a simple proposition, followed by an easy query: Alshabaab ya Nur as I said many times before has become the primary driver of current violence and mayhem in Somalia. This ya Nur might not have been the case few years back. But it’s sadly so today. As a man who insists on giving this group the benefit of the doubt, I would like you list what are the aspirations of alshabaab. In a bullet point fashion, enumerate, if you will, the primary objectives alshabaab are fighting for to achieve. Once those become clear, we shall evaluate whether these goals are valid, and if yes whether they are realistic, and if yes, what are the best options to achieve them. We shall then take a look at what alshabaab did vs. what the other party did to step back from this deadly standoff. As a footnote, conflicts are not always resolvable, or have possibility of fair settlements. But they are all manageable. We will see insha Allah what method would be most applicable to Somalia’s stalemate.