SOL sets Somalia’s political trend…remember the caravan commenced here In the business world, there has been an increasing trend towards mergers and acquisitions. Many corporations continuously remain on the lookout for potential targets to merge with for their business to expand and grow. That phenomenon is not rare in the political arenas either. There has been tendency for political platforms to be changed to accommodate the interest of emerging voter blocks and groups. We envision the same outlook be adopted by Galmadug and Puntland admins. Instead of entertaining the passé political and security dispositions of viewing one another with an attitude of hostility and distrust, we call them to consider a political merger between them. Our analysts think this approach to be not only beneficial but an eventual political outcome whose delay would only contribute to the deterioration of security and economic stability of the region. Following are the benefits of such political outcome. 1- creates harmony between the two groups as it establishes common security and political objective 2- prevents hostile takeover that could result in the worsening security issues 3- provides platform for growth and further expansion In such approach, there are NO victims both will BE victors. It will be a game changer.

We are not in the business of issuing fatwas, Nur. We are trying to establish if the claim of apostasy on a large numbers of Muslims including TFG, and other admins in Somalia has any valid religious grounds. I compiled the opinions of Sunni contemporary scholars, elucidating the caution employed when expounding the tafseer of the verse takfeeri groups cite to invalidate their detractors. We are at the edges of the pool, Nur, and going back on discussing how a generic XUKM is arrived in Islamic jurisprudence prolongs the suffering of this thirsty gallery awoowe. No matter. I don’t mind you elucidating that aspect of the discussion provided you keep eye on the question of our time: are Somalia’s political leaders on both state and regional level murtaddiin?

LX wrote: o He should have meant what he said: this excludes those who didn’t mean to utter words of kufr or actions. Again this is not for all statements and actions of Kufr. Can someone who openly insults Allah be asked for his intentions of insulting Allah? Can someone who burns the Qur’an be asked what his intentions were for burning it? No, because these are actions that come to manifest only after the passing away of the heart as the scholars have said. And this is contradiction to what the deviant Murji’ah believe. ^^ For the record, the third Kalif of Muslims (Othman bin Afan) burned Quran, and his intention was different than what brother LX espouses here.

Brother Nur I await you to take up my above questions, observations.

Before you two (Nur and LX) labor needlessly on irrelevant topics, for the record I am not one of those who use khawaarij label on alshabaab. An armed takfeeri is the most fitting label I could find. Armed because they are armed. They are takfeeri because they justify their murderous ways on the basis of apostasy. Those who oppose them, they claim, are murtaddiin. If you are in doubt, refer to alshabaab pronouncements. They called the transitional government dawlah riddah. The Islamic sahwah has been thriving in Somalia almost 50 years and never did its leaders ever use such labels against Somali regimes at the time for they understood the theological consequence of using it. I used to call for reconciliation between the parties in Somali conflict. But reconciling is nowise possible I realized now if one party has the ultimate truth, deeming the other party apostate, or a murtad. Hence my insistence on discussing these alshabaab related topics.

^^ Yours is simple madness wallaahi. Culumaddii aan hadda kor kuugu sheegay fataawigooda ayyaad soo list garaynaysaa. LX, at this point you are being difficult to deal with. The reason I started these threads is simply to see if anyone can seriously defend the labels alshabaab groups use to spill blood in current Somali conflict. As you can see the heading of this thread is called Dawladah Riddah:….. If you don’t really believe the TFG political community are murtadiin, then you need not bother with this thread. In the meantime I will continue with the rest of the topics I listed as time permits. You see, you and bro Nur can speak of branches of deviant sects to dodge the real questions that are being asked in today’s context. You can start parallel threads. You can talk about murji'ah and what have you all to simply blur the issues but that, my friend, won’t cut with me. Waxaan ku adkaysanayaa: war raggu ma gaaloobeen oo dhiigooda , xilahooda, iyo xoolahoodu, xalaal ma yihiin mise maya. Haddey haa tahay, maxay tahay daliisha loo hayaa.

Feb, Again you need to read the question sheekh albaani answered. Commandos placing bombs under enemy tanks to destroy them is not a suicide bombing awoowe. albaani's position on the question of Jihaad in our time is well known.His position has been very close to what is called a- salafiyyah jadiidah, prohibiting it untill a legitimate unifying Muslim leader is in place.

@Somalinimo won't liberate Alaska

^^awoowe adigu fulayadda fikirka baad ka mid tahay ee Political Sectionka iska joog.Halkaa aan ku jeex jeexno bahasha awoowe There is no credible argument that has firm religious basis in support of the type of suicide bombings that we see in many parts of the world where large number of civilians are indiscriminately killed.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Who? Aw Tusbaxle

^^Waryaa NGONGE ninkii waallaa een gabayga u tiriyey mee? Misee Faarax Macallin buu Hargeysa u raacay to protest PL

^^'Why should I not ', wrote Ibnu Faris, 'offer a sincere prayer for that city where I had the good fortune of forgetting all I ever learned?’ He was satirizing the city of Hamathan. Laasaano may as well serve the same function for those mutajaahilis who want us believe in security the city is akin to Chaska, Minnesota. Laasaano, ya Prince, will remain a security threat to the separatist entity in the north as long the politics of closing down 1900s colonial borders are sought by SL admin

The man who died humilated in the hands of those whose separatist politics he firmly believed. Alloow kuu naxariiso

^^sidii Suldaan yeelay yeel oo tir-tir waxaad meesha ku qortay haddii kale wallee Garoowe danbe passport qaraabadda uga dooni maysid haddeerba waan kuu sheegay

I heard that there will be a neighborhood gathering around 7:45pm tonight at the murder scene. This is the most tragic thing happened to Somalis in MN as far as I can remember. Allow u naxariiso

^^what you meant is clear, yours is the stuff my good uncle calls the muscle flexing of gun xoogsatay Goormaa daraawiishtu kilaab noqotay waryaa

Somaliland = Jamal, Kilaab allatii tanbax= daraawiish war hoy ka daa,yaa dan u dhimane

Originally posted by Suldaanka: ^ I don't blame you Xiin. For some people, the very presense of Somaliland army in that area is unwelcomed. For those people, any good thing that happens in Laascaanood under Somaliland, is "NOT GOOD" at all. So, I can see what you mean. But hey, the Caravan shall move on. No, no, not all. But the fact remains Lascanod is a politicaly disputed city, and as a result the security instability sarrounding it is real. That one group controls it now does not take away that fact ya prince. On the other hand, the city you depicted was one of the best places to live. I was tempted to relocate . Alas only if it existed in reality.

^^you were wise taking it down. For those of us who had the opportunity to read it, it showed how out of touch you are with the political and security reality on the ground.

^^ Good you deleted the SNM propoganda, ya Suldaan

^^In the south, that is already the case.

I agree xizbul Islam is niether here nor there

^^Fabregas never had in it to begin with. We have established that Suicide Bombing has no precedent in the history of Sunni Muslim wars, and that most of contemporary scholars opined that it is impermissible.

Nur et all, Please address following questions: Do you beleive TFG is dawladah riddah? Its ministers? Soldeirs? Those who support them and side with them ? and why

Originally posted by Nur: Walaal Xiin. Waxaan kaa dalbayaa inaad akhriso mar labaad qoraalkan, oo ah mid aan waqti badan ku bixiyay qoraalkiisa iyo isku duwiddisa uguna talagalay si gaar ah arrimaha aad ka sharqamisay. Akhi, markaad akhriso waxaan qorey, sidee baad u aragtaa qoraalka, iyo Sifada ay leedahay Dawladda TFG? Haddaan labadeennu xaqdoon nahay, shaki ku ma jiro inaan isu keeni doonno wixii dan ah oo xikmad ku jirto, laakin, diinta cilmi qoto dheer bey u baahan tahay, hadaba saanta yara gaabi si aan dhagax wlaba u rogno oon waxa ku hoos jira usoo saarro. Nur Nuurow horaan u aqriyey, hadanna codsigaagi aawadii baan ugu laabtay oo isha u mariyey. Waxaa tahay nin waacith ah, oo jecel inay diintu sara marto,taana naa marqaati kaaga ah. Intii dhowr asbuuc ah waxaan u guntaday bal inaan helo cid si waadix ah oo mugti ku jirin ugu dhiirrata in sharif gaal ilaahay ka furtay oo dhiiggiisu xalaal yahay uu yahay, cid xiwaar igala gasha sababta keentay in nin ilaah lihi oo aakhiro ka danbeyso uu umad dhan ka aragti duwan uu riddah ugu yeero, oo dagaal ku iclaamiyyo asagoon haba yaraatee cawaaqibteeda diiniga ah aan aad u dhuuxin. Raggii brother Caddow lahaa iskama dhimman oo maaha oo keliyya inay ku dhinteen dagaal sokkeeyye ee waxaa wehliyya in loo dilay inay dawlad ridda ah u shaqeeyyaan. Warlordskii waa danbiilayaal ee goor may noqdeen gaalo. Ninkii ku khilaafa hadduu gaal noqdo oo dhiiggiisu ku bannaanaado ma fidna ka weyn baa jirta? walaal, usuusha islaam ka eed sida quruxda badan uga hadashay yaa ilaaliyya maanta? wiilal bela ah oo dagaalka ku faana, oo geesiyaala oon boqol ka waaban cid walba iyo reer walba oo soomaali ah waa laga helaa. Waxa alshabaab kaga duwanyihiin kuwaa soo sheegashada ay diinta sheegteen maaha? siyaasadba ha joogtee, ightiyaalka, isqarxinta, laynta, iyo magaalooyin amni ah la wareegood for strategic reasons, goormay noqotay difaaca sharciga islaamka? dalka, ilaah ka sakow, horta yaa leh, ma koox, mise kooxo? hadday dadkala aragti duwan oo muslim ahi dalka wada lee yihiin yaa koox gaara siiyey awooda ay siyaado ku sheeganayso? maxaa kaliffay in 5000 oo AMISOM ka socda dartood dhowr boqol oo kun oo somali ihi u qaxaan maanta guryahoodii iyo dalkoodiina bahalladu ka ciyyaan? xikmadda ku jirta in wax wada hadal lagu heli karo [waa bixidda ciidamada shisheeyyee] qori caaraddi lagu raadiyyo bal maxay tahay? War taariikhda miyaadan aqrin, oodan arag in tadariijka, iyo xikmaddu ka sarreyso muruq ku faanka iyo hawada beenta ah ee lagu fitnoobo? Hadduu sh. Umul sheekh ka yahay, ku ganacsan karo, ku dhiiran karo inuu wax ka wacdiyyo Kenya [waa beled masiixi ah e] asuusan Kismayyo tegi karin oo naftiisa uga baqoyyo, bal ii sheeg waxa nuura ee kujira ? Wax walba waxbaa ka horreeya ee bal fasir waxa laga wado dawlah riddah, multazimaadkeeda diiniga ah ee aad garanayso? Sharif waa gaal, Faroole waa gaal, Riyaalana waa gaal, miyyaad rabtaa in sharci islaami ah lagu ilaaliyyo, oo diinta loogu hiiliyyo? Waa fitna cad, oo shidaalkeedu yahay ciil qab, iyo caro. Waa aano iyo aarsi. Waa wixii ina rag yeeli jirey markuu rag iska dhicinayyo. Diinse maaha oo ma taaban, kama muuqatto oo laguma oga. Tani ducay leedahay ee difaac ma leh ya Nur.