Originally posted by Kashafa: ^^ Yaa jaasoos, dhulinimo waxaa kuugo filan inaa la safan-tahay mushrikeen'ta ee qabuur caabud'ka.(even if you don't share their polytheistic beliefs). Ilaahay aakhiro hakula soo saaro zumratu Zenawi wal Mushrikeen. Aamiin. Laakin waxaa ku weydiyay, waa tii Abdulkareem Jaamac iyo Abukar Arman la siiyay jagooyin, ee adiga maxaa banaan'ka ku dhigay, ileen kama howl yarid ragaas ee ? Basaas'nimo waxay uu baahantahay alotta self-promotion ee fadhiga ka kac, duqa. Dheesha yaa lagaa badanin. Thanks, Ukhtii Malika, I consider that to be high praise that I am undeserving of. I can only hope to develop the oratorical abilities of the young brother who was giving the moving khutba. "Adeeryaal, yaala isu gambanin, hadaa deenta Alle(ie, Shareecada) qaadan waysaan, wallahi billahi, waxaa lamid noqonaysiin dowladii shariif, meeshay martay aa mareysiin" Cawaale, That young brother has more honour, more dignity, more Iimaan, and more Islam in his left toe than the corpulent 'Holy Scholars' that you watch on TV can hope to have in 10 lifetimes. Taas weligaa ha iloobin, abti. Wax isku dhow ma ahan, mana la isku qayaasi karo dhalinyaro(fit'yatun aamaano bi'rabihim wa zidnaahum hudaa) uu istaagay inay magaca Alle kor yeelaan, iyo niman xirfad ka dhigtay Islaam-ka inay bariis ku cunaan calaa manhaj Fatwa-4-sale. Tom & Jerry ayaga ku haboon inay fiirsadaan. There is a reason why keligii-muslim Kashafa is angry with xiin Ahlu Sunna Wal Jama’a forces recapture central Somali town

Originally posted by Cowke: Bangigan casriga ah ee ay shirkada Dahabshiil soo bandhigtay ayaa noqonaya midkii ugu horeeyey ee noociisa ah oo dalka laga furo, waxaana si ay hawlwadeenada shirkada sheegeen xarun dhexe u noqon doonta dalka Djibouti. I thought there is alrady one in Hargeysa

the futility of takfiiri wars

Amal too would've met with SL finance minister, had it not been diyaaradda xunta ah ee Hargeysa farasmagaalaheeda laga taagay. Taasaa shiddo nagu haysaa

It’s simple cause and effect, Nur. C is here to intervene because A and B are unable to resolve the conflict between them. C apparently takes advantage of the situation. B calls for the cessation of hostilities, and prefers dialogue to violence. A wages war on B. It insists continuing the fight until it defeats both B and C in the belief that Allah is with them against B and C. My conclusion, A should give B a chance , and deny C the justification to intervene, and take advantage of the situation.

I did not start this post to heal Somalia’s civil war wounds. I started it to shed light on the question of whether TFG is a dawlah riddah, from Islamic perspective. In a implicit sort of way, I also started this thread to invite the contributors of SOL’s Islamic page to clarify their stance on what I conceder the great fitnah of our time. As far as I am concern alshabaab is not an entity that is motivated by politics. This organization is a religious in nature, and its theological dispositions are in line with the takfeeri movements of the past. They don’t kill people because they are angry or have grudges them. They kill and engage in voilance because they believe they indeed have religious justifications for what they do…whether it’s suicide bombings, assassinations, or the all-out wars they engage in the midst of civilians. When I say they are takfiiri movement, I am not being emotional. It’s what I think they are. Their actions speak volumes and their attitude of we-are-the-only-mulsims is plainly there for all to see. I too congratulate Nur (in his last post) for his courageous decision to disobey the commands of his heart by refraining from calling TFG a dawlah riddah, like the group he sympathizes does. I am not a fanatic supporter of the TFG. I have spoken at length what the TFG is: a legal fiction; a composition of warlord characters; a weak entity under the mercy of foreign powers. But I also said those characteristics are beside the point given where Somalia is today. We have to start somewhere, I insisted. It’s that somewhere, and common sense dictates that we should give it a chance. What I think is impractical is the notion that espouses these wars are being waged to save Somalia from western hegemony, or to preserve our Islamic faith. That assertion flies in the face of the known facts, and glaring realities on the ground contradicts it. These wars invited more invasions, caused more displacements for innocent people, and continue to cause death and destruction in Somalia. Meanwhile, wherever there is an opportunity for peace and stability, Somalis and their faith not only survived but it also thrived and flourished, some times in distant lands and against hostile social and political pressures. To conclude, TFG is not a dawladah riddah. Other political entities in Somalia are not kuffaar entity. The wars in Somalia are not jihadi wars. They are civil wars that killed more Muslims then kuffaars. The solution lies in dialogue and political settlements, not in endless violence and false pride.

Great news for the relatives of the men involved

Puntland oo Xabsiga Bosaaso ka sii daynaysa 3 ruux oo loo haystay in ay ka tirsan yihiin ururka ONLF Posted to the Web Apr 02, 10:30 Boosaaso:-Madaxwayne ku xigeenka Dowlada Puntlland Gen. C/Samad Cali shire ayaa maanta waxaa uu cafis u fidiyey 3 ruux oo ka soo jeeda soomaali Galbeed oo ay ciidanka PIS ka qabteen Magaalada Boosaaso ee xarunta Gobolka Bari. 3 ruux ee maanta cafiska loo fidiyey ayaa waxaa aad u soo dhaweeyey culimada ku nool Puntlland ,Isimada iyo waxgara kale duwan ee ku nool Puntland ,3-da dhalinyaro ah ayaa lagu haye Xabsiga Boosaaso iyadoo dhowr jeer ay saxaafadu tabisay in loo gacan geliyey dalka Itoobiya. Gudoomiyaha Gobolka Bari Sh C/xaafid Cali yuusuf ayaa saxaafada u sheegay inb ragga la siidaayey loo samayn doono daryeel caafimaad lana eegi doono caafimaadkooda ,dhalin yarada la sii daayey ayaa waxaaa magacooda lagu sheegay C/teerso iyo C/fitaax Maxamed. Qaar ka mid ah Isimad Puntlland oo shir jaraaid ku qabtay Boosaaso ayaa ka digay in dad Soomaaliyeed loo gacan geliyey dal aan daris nahay balse haddii ay danbi galeen lagu maxkamadeeyo Puntllnad,Isimada shirka qabtay ayaa waxaa ka mid ah Ugaas Xasan Ugaas Yaasiin ,suldaan Maxamed yuusuf,Nabadoon C/casiis Afgaduud. Maamulka Puntland iyo S/lland ayaa waxaa ay dhowr jeer oo hore ay gacanta u geliyeen dalka Itoobiya dhalinyaro ka soo jeeda Ismaamulka Sooomaaliya ee ay Itoobiya gumaysato arinkaas oo noqday mid dhaqan soomaali iyo diinta Islaamka ka horimaanaya. M_M_Deeq Halgan.net

^^No. That is not my position, Nur. I am against wars waged perpetually against others fellow Muslims by an armed takfiiri group in the name of saving Somalia from western hegemony. I am also against hasty religious verdicts issued to sanction the spill of the blood of innocent Somalis in the name of jihad. I reject the notion that this war preserves the dignity and the religion of Somalis. I know it displaces them, sending them to foreign refugee camps. It prolongs their suffering. The wars you are defending, ya Nur, subjects once proud Somalis to humiliation. It is a fitna war awoowe, not a jihad. Listen to Sheekh Umul if you get the time. I am with the majority of Muslim scholars …and I intend to propagate their views on these boards. Now respond to my previous statement about your stance ya Nur

Che, we are sharing our observation about you---nothing more, nothing less. What are the objectives of alshabaab that you found appealing?

^^Iska hadal baa dadka qaarki iska bartay ninyahow.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: I don't need to talk about it every time but if you are asking if I still support them-I do. Allow yaa u geeya

Originally posted by Shihaabuddin: Xiin it was me who told you that Maaddeey is in fact a A&T&Ngonge company limited and you know very well. So give the analytical eye credit where it deserves so as to people give you credit to what you deserve. ^^ Awoowe the credit of this goes to you. But remeber it was Xiin's vigilant eye that detected the fraud in the firs place

Initially i thought that Jacaylbaro had a stake in the Maaddeey production. Data we collected from various sources proved that not to be the case. AT&T and NGOGNE have 50-50 share on this Maaddeey script

^^ In all honest though you know those talking points are not completely true. And if you are in the know, you also realize that the points of disagreements were on matter of style than substance . carry on

Originally posted by Shihaabuddin: Maaddeey = A&T. A&T iyo NGONGE baa wada leh Markuu afsoomali saani ah ku hadlayyo waa AT&T. Markuu carabiga ku hadlayana waa NGONGE.

^^Puntland has a solid representation in the TFG, it's part of it, and, on the big scheme of things, in agreement with it.

Originally posted by Positive: Following is an incident which happened in Norway years ago. A Somali father killed his wife and two small children in Oslo the capital of Norway. He was separated from his wife at that time and she had parental responsibility for their children. The father visited the family in that fateful day in their house and killed them all. After he finished his job he called the Police and got arrested. I believe that the children were under the age of five; the Somali community understandable was and still is petrified by what happened. He justified his action by saying "I saved my children from hell; they would lose their faith". I have not first hand knowledge as to the correctness of this information but that is what I heard from the community. If the story is true what bothers me is how he justified his action . . . . . . .how did he know that his children will leave from their Islamic roots? May be he could see the future but seeing the future is a quality that the majority of us lack and when someone or group is committing crimes we cannot be expected to readily accept his or their actions on the bases of predictions on the future. Now Nur says " If there is a conflict situation in which either life is lost, or faith will be lost, which one is more important in Allah's view: 1. Preservation of Life 2. Preservation of Faith". It seems as though the writer when he says " or faith will be lost "is sure about what will happen in the future but for me it is about an assumption. We can not allow our selves to take life on the bases of assumptions nor can we be part of endless wars which progressively weaken if not annihilate the very existence of a people as a nation in this case ours. The very act of waging war has the potential to become cause for someone or many to leave their faith. Just try and extrapolate the potential of how many somalis in the diaspora and their descendents could leave their faith. A somali wisdom says" Calool gaajoonaysaa waa waxwalba u nugul". My question is if faith is what we are trying to defend why is a fraternal war is the only option? The hand of God and His servants works in mysterious ways. What we need most now is compassion and mercy; qualities that are primary attributes of God. From our part we could realise that these attributes can be emulated in human level. We could be kind and compassionate to one another. In retribution the flood gates of the heaven may be opened and higher winds of the divine compassion and mercy may rain on all. It is easier for us that the peace we are longing for comes on that manner. Besides Tawakal is an important aspect of worship and it solves many problems if only we could show patience. What is left for God and entrusted to Him becomes manifested to us in most satisfying manner. The Awakener2 A condensed wisdom yours is ya Positive! Ilaahow waaya ku daa

Brother Nur's conclusion: TFG as an entity is a kufri entity. The war in Somalia is about preserving the Muslim Deen . Innocent lives lost are therefore sufferable. War ma saasaa Nuroow?

Jubbooyinku waxay noqdeen geedo bahala galeen. Ciidankani xaggaa iyo Kismayuu ku roonaan lahaa ee Sharif talo xumaa heshay

halkaasaay kaga dhegtay rag aan ogahay

Great news. It affirms what we were saying all along. Puntland has a solid representation in the TFG, it's part of it, and, on the big scheme of things, in agreement with it. Awalba caruurtaa u qabtay in la diriray. Internet portals will not drive the tone of Puntland's strategic relationship with Sharif.

Keligi-Muslims are back on SOL

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf: Somebody tell me this is not a photoshop Sawirka Cawil waxaad mooddaa jidgooyo la hordhigay Odinga waa photo shop , clear like cir aan daruuri saarnayn

Has Gandi spoken publicly about these issues? Or is this just tribal portals recycling the fadhi-ku-dirir warar?