Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^Not so fast, adeer. If I criticise Faroole I criticise his leadership style and not his person (for all I know he is a very nice chap). You want to reform the PIS whilst others want to defeat Al Shabab but I am saying to you (and I have good reason to do so) that the buck stops with the man in charge. If things are going wrong they do so because he is not doing his job properly. If I were a Puntlander you would easily see and accept my argument but since you specialise in tackling side issues (like the PIS or alleged Al Shabab movements) I fully understand why you refuse to see the obvious here. Saaxib aniga iga maqaal, Faroole wixiisu Karavan maaha, war xita awor kaliya maaha. Ka joog ban ku edhi. It’s not only I who wants to reform the PIS, so does Faroole and he has been correct to do so…I want him to do even more. It’s those who stayed too long on the hump of exile and fed the nonsense that espouses every thing about Puntland is great that cry the loudest against the reform. You are neither her nor there as it were when your whole argument evolves around superficial analysis of Faroole’s style of leadership. For a leader to fail, he has to commit a blunder of sort or take an irreversible policy decision and nothing of that sort has happened yet with Faroole. I explained to you on even his weakest area which is SSC the lyrics are better than music and his political stance has forced a dialogue and bared the truth of the underlying issues in that region. On Galgala I told you, if you have the ears to receive the wisdom, that it’s nothing close to what the news portals made it out to be. Most know that it’s even an old issue that Faroole inherited from previous admin. The PIS is ongoing discussion, and talking about it does not make Puntland weak PS: Sayid adeer waan ku jecelnahaye doc ka yeer ha noqone ama dooda si quman uga soo qayb gal, ama sidii ardaygii culumada dhegeyso. That the apprentice is repeating the gaffes he heard from previous sessions does not make him right or validate his opinion. And in this instance, the Guru is like the great fraud who uttered a universal truth . And we took it awoowe with a prior knowledge of it.

Originally posted by Peace Action: It seems you are not realistic and a bit naive. You want to dismantel PIS and then what?. Puntland has seen worse things before and this too will pass (IA) and Galgala will not become a safe haven for shabaab. ^^ PIS has the potential to be criminal enterprise, and it would be most sensible for the state to take steps to curtail its scope at the minimum. I can understand Faroole’s predicament, but your blind support is not warranted adeer. Puntland should have an army or Darwiish whatever you call it and not an armed militia that is loyal to foreign entity. It’s very simple proposition and for you to argue against it is quite baffling. The call for reform should not bother adeer unless you have a personal stake in the PIS enterprise.

NGONGE, you are highlighting your ignorance and poor analysis on Puntland’s current affairs. If you don’t like Faroole’s style of management, you are not alone. But your deductions are at best premature. In avoidance of seeming to defend Faroole’s personality, and not his large policies and direction, I will let you make most out of your feeble analysis.

Originally posted by Kuun-Kuun-Laminaa: Xiin, you are silly for going after the PIC blaming them for everything. Adeer an elder was killed near Bosaas market during the evening, the day before a munipal officer, the day before that two tax collectors of the government and days that preceded innocent people were cold bloodedly murdered? Who is behind all this? Why dwell on the PIS and not see terror groups that are really active in Bari region and will probably kill tomorrow one of our innocent men or women. Grow up adeer, the threat of Alshabaab and their assasinations is real and extremely active, it is hapening and people are getting killed. If you don't want to see what is hapening in Mogadishu happen in Bosaaso, then stop talking about the PIS address the isse on a different angle... Adeer don’t lose your cool, and insult the author, he is entitled to his opinion and he is not alone. Puntland security is the responsibility of the admin, and not an ad hoc intelligence outfit that is bank rolled by outside forces that have their own agenda, which may not be compatible with what the state of Puntland should be striving for. You are being emotional in your support of PIS. I can understand the argument which says today is not the day, but a public critique is needed to keep the pressure on those on lead so they don’t get too comfortable with this outfit…which in the end as some one already mentioned could cause internal problems. It’s dishonest of you to suggest alshabaab and outside intruders were behind and are still behind Puntland’s security issues. PIS represents a problem for Puntland, and Faroole took step to address it…he needs to do more at the earliest opportunity.

Brother Peace Action, with all due respect your suggestion is what the arabs called a-dhaaharatu najjaasah bi-najjaasah ...using PIS to defeat alshabaab , is just like that ninyahow...all i am saying is be a dawlah, haddaadan noqon karinna hadde dadka waqtiga haka qaadin ee qolo walbaa jawaasiisteeda ha yeesheen...very simple awoowe

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: ... I don't agree with others are that PIS targets just specific clans as some were protesting or that it's a clan entity that enriches a particular "sub clan" In the height of emotional discussions such as the one engendered by Galgala incident, it’s possible for some to use sloppy phrases to express one’s dislike as to how things are going in that particular moment. It’s prudent not to cling on such hastily spitted out phrases, and expressions of disapproval awoowe. The critique we put forth against PIS is quite sound and we have no motives for Puntland to fail. Such ad hoc armed intelligence entities had, as the not-so-distant history reminds us, caused more harm than good. Puntland shall never repeat a proven failure, which is allowing outside forces or those they employ to operate freely on its jurisdiction. One fully understands the fact the void the absence of Somali state created is too large for Puntland to fill. But that should never entail for Puntland to engage in self-destruction exercise as others in the south did before.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ A proper politician deals with such events BEFORE they take place, saaxib. Every single problem that Faroole faces today is something he could have foreseen and dealt with at the beginning. None of them are natural disasters or things out of his sphere of control. That the SSC discord took place, that the Galgala murmurings are taking place and that the pirates were running free all point to one thing, the incompetence of the admin. Comparing him to his predecessors shows you the level and extent of his incompetence. PL was there for twelve years, PL was functioning fine (if not perfectly) so why is PL facing so many problems today (with many of those created by Faroole himself)? The buck stops with the self declared Imaam; duhurkiisa waa shan rakcado. ^^ @ duhurkiisu waa shan rakcado You are equating challenges to failure, difference in management to incompetence. Pirates do not roam free in Puntland, your bias and inability to discern political point scoring from facts glaringly shows on in here awoowe. Faroole had slips, he occasionally misspoke, and at times reacts in a manner that does not bode well to a leader, but to say he failed is a mere opinion from a born again secessionist who has vested interest in Puntland’s failure . At least be a man like me and show some respect for the elder stateman of the east

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: It is not an overstatement to suggest Faroole had “difficulties” navigating through the tribal dynamics of the State. But to suggest Faroole is “the problem” is largely ignoring the intricacies of the current institutional setup. Such viewpoint merely focuses on symptoms rather than the problem. Faroole’s past blunders (the biggest being the SSC issue) are significant and should be highlighted, but the security issue Puntland is experiencing at the present time is largely born out of the shortcomings and inadequacies of the PIS he inherited. Faroole is, in a lot of ways , a victim of a monster he neither created nor able to control effectively with a sound strategy. The President needs a bold strategy. When this conflict subsides, Faroole needs to reform the agency in order to address the grievances of the religious community and some of the clan actors. One can't emphasize enough the importance of the religious community in the state of Puntland. A crucial step to reforming the PIS is to rebuild the multi-clan comprehensive Darwiish Army /Police of which the State is its sole authority. The young lads shadowing the PIS bigwigs are only seeking economic benefits to feed their families. The State needs to seize influence away from the parallel authority known as the PIS by empowering the Armed forces and the local Police units. As such, the activities of the PIS should eventually be curtailed to “intelligence gathering” only as was habitual in the past. Great way of articulating what I have been laboring to say in various pages on this platform.

NGONGE, you are describing latest events in Puntland and Faroole’s style of management. Events take place, and no plans however prudent can prevent them from taking place. That Faroole is different than his predecessors could not reasonably be basis for your verdict awoowe.

^^True that it is easy to say than done, but that is not the point we are debating Gheelle! Awoowe let us establish some baselines for our arguments, shall we? As I said I am in agreement with your give-Faroole-time . So that should not be an issue. I can also give in for the timing of reform of this entity. But what is it about our criticism of PIS are you disagreeing, Gheelle? That they are created with bigger forces is an excuse I can buy, but it does not address PIS indictments that have been repeated on these pages. What is apparent in Puntland is this entity has been behind lots of disruptions, abductions, and killings some of which that embarrassed the state. Its hierarchy is most dubious. In Boosaaso, the public fiascos PIS caused are numerous; the grievances of some locals are therefore understandable and need be addressed.

NGONGE , you are misreading the situation. You are also misinformed. You misread the Galgala situation, for there is no real second thought on that community’s Puntland loyalty. You are bought by the sentimental analysis, and the hype of news portals. Atom is not a strategic threat, nor does his emergence came about as a result of deep clannish sentiment against Puntland. You are misinformed on SSC. On SSC, Faroole forced a dialogue and what you see is the teething pains of the rebirth of a political consensus of that region, even Siilaanyo sensed the coming storm. It is politics at it is best awoowe. So your Faroole-has-failed utterances has no basis.

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: By the way, I think there is little bit of exaggerations on the part of it's(PIS) adversaries, especially when they label it as it is the cause of instability in that part of world. They(PIS) may be blamed for abuse of power in some extent, but to call them as the cause of the PL's problem is unjust, me thinks. PIS is the source of instability in Puntland in the sense that large blocks of Puntland’s stakeholders oppose them, quite firmly. Puntland is a political arrangement between collections of clans, Gheele. It’s unnecessary for the state to rely on an entity that is controlled by outside forces. I can very much agree with your give-Faroole-time call, and I think he is being criticized primarily by his sound strategy to include Puntland’s various constituencies in his admin.

Despite Duke's effort to defend PIS, most see the need to reform it. It should not be all or nothing, but one should at least admit the need to synchronize this stand-alone entity with the rest of the government. There are local complaints from different corners ...and it's real. An intelligence agency will be effective to the extent it is supported by the people it serves. It's true Faroole tried to just do that, but I doubt he succeeded in that attempt of his. NGONGE, you are doing what you do best which is being playful, Faroole has challenges and big challenges at that but he did not fail.

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: Xiin, what exactly do you want him do with regard to the PIS? Don't just say he needs to overhaul it's leadership, tell us what you have in mind! Gheelle, Make the arrangement with US or who ever is bank rolling this agency to direct funding and training to the Darwiishs, and narrow the scope of this entity to intelligence gathering, and situational analysis...police should have the authority to arrest and detain people, intelligence’s role should be identifying the suspects and evidence gathering. Also Darwiishs should defend Puntland, not an intelligence entity ... Awoowe, as you can see some are getting emotional about any PIS critique, some are declaring their loyalty and love to this agency while publicly wishing Faroole away ...and that is quite telling where their allegiance lies. It’s with a mukhaabaraat entity, and not with the wellbeing of Puntland state.

Faroole's religous tendencies will be an asset for him, But this PIS thing needs to be dealt with

Puntland Darwiishs (the army) should've been ones fighting on both Galkacyo and Galgala fronts, not an armed militia that is organized for intelligence purposes by a foreign entity with a tunnel vision take on the affairs of the horn. PIS is an embarrassment to the state as it challenges normal authority, and Puntland can do without it. One can try to demagogue out of this issue all one wants, but the facts remain so.

Oodweyne has superbly put the truth of this matter in custody, indeed. I trust Faroole’s overall philosophy and attitude toward governance, and hope his latest rhetoric is a strategy to consolidate this free lance security agency in a manner that does not raise suspicion on his motives.

It's simple guys. Large blocks of Puntland's stakeholders have objections on how PIS operates, its mandate and the composition of its leaders. This is one reason why there is a renewed instability in Puntland's largest city. Despite politician's cries on southern influence in Puntland, the conflict is within, and PIS is part of it. For this reason, PIS should be COMPLETELY reformed. Period. Atom is an exaggerated man; he is on Galgala mountain, no airstrip, no access to port, and stone away from Boosaaso. No popularity hence no base. It’s silly to justify PIS’s lack of accountability to the state for his presence. America can give the money to the state, not a militia within it. Common sense should prevail. Faroole has challenges no doubt, but he did not fail as a leader yet. His test of leadership has just started. And the question of Puntland is bigger than him.

Mintid, Jacayl, NGONGE, iyo Land Soldier xaaji, horta aan wada hadalnee ragga caraysan yac dheh ninyahow, ina cabdalla hasanka aad ka seexan la'dahayna waxbaan ka oran saaka oo gabayadiisa baan waxkaaga sheegi... horta coffee marka hore illeen waa rag xaajadiye

I would be most prudent not to take your appraisal of sheekh Ibrahim’s group. laakin waad iga qoslisay masaajid baa loo dhiibay oo la yiri dadka nabada uga sheekeeya ku lahaa Tusbaxle, I am in agreement with your minimum expectation of any outcome resulting from any negotiation between Ethiopia and those who are fighting for the freedom of the region. But I can tell you this much: I was supportive of sheekh Ibraahim’s initiative before it even become widely publicized for one reason, and one reason only: current strategy is based on empty slogans and is void of any meaningful milestones to measure by its soundness. The wise is not he who knows how to discern between good and bad options, as the saying goes, but it’s he who knows how to choose the best option in a set of bad options. Your calculations reassure me greatly awoowe…

I was under the impression that our friend Gabal has retired from this platform. I guess one can hardly resist a discussion that revolves around a man whose legacy he is protective of.

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xaaji xunjuf horta ha caroon , cayduna waa xaraam markaad ila joogto ee saa ogow waxaa ii muuqata in hadalkii gabagaboobay oo doodaadu hadda quus tahay, waxaad dhaafi la'dahay qaran baanu nahay, halku dhegyadii jabhaddii snm ta baad ku celcelinaysaa lakin Oodweynaad dhaantaa ilaa hadda xiin waa ****** imaadan oran midda kale adeer reer ka allaha barakeeyo, waayo sheekh cali warsame baa weli nool, oo xakiim kii hadraawi ahaa baa weli nool, oo ganacsadihii dhiigshiil ahaa baa weli nool, oo dadku waa dad soomaali ah ninyahow, oo hadda ilaah Siilaanyuu wax ugu dhiibay oo odogii suufiga ahaa axmeed yaasiin ahaa iyo bukhuurkisii ilaah waa ka waday , marka reerka xaaji waa reerkayagii oo waanu jecelnahay, laakiin waalida goosashada weeye taan ka waramayna, gabayadana anigu ma tirin ee rag horaa tiriyey observationskoodana anigu khibrad aan ku beeniyo ma lihi midda kale ina cabdalla xasan sow anagii ka sheekeynay maaha, oo kusoo gabagabayney inuu ahaa ninkii hanka soomaalinada asagu keenay dabadeedna boqoradii ingiriisku u carootay oo cirka bombka ugasoo daadisay ka dib na ina igarihii oodweyne bililaqada ula tegey, oo cali dhuuxii marqaan weyne gabayga xunka ah ee digashada ah ka daba tuuray isna ilaah sidaa ku oofsaday maad iska deysid xaaji

Ku maqlay Tusbaxle. qodobka ugu horreeya su'aal baan ka weydiiyey nimankii ayaga ahaa oo waxaan iri haddaad heshiis gashaan ONLF oon idinla socon, soo ciidanka xuduuda ilaalinaya inaad taakulaysaan maaha, oo macnaheedu yahay inaad ONLF wax ka laysaan ama aad colaadeeda ka qaybgashaan. jawaab saxa kama helin Allow sidii roon