Even in Ramadan, Maaddeey is celebrating the fitnah in Xamar… Ilaahow hanuuni

NGONGE did not say anything new. Other than the clan bashing strategy, Sharif did everything NGONGE suggested above. The momentum has slipped from him...and times is not being nice to him. He lost the sword killing contest to alshabaab. Hence Sharif should resign. Period. That is how he could lead in lessening the suffering of the masses... For alshabaab, the only advice i have for them is: wa ithaa qataltum, fa axsinuul qitlata .

@Ilaahow labada R mid noo islaami

could Somalia finally be reaching a tipping point against the Shabab?

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: I don't support the murder of anyone including the opponents of Al-Shabaab but I do think it's time for every party to re-assess things and reconsider their strategies (if there's anyone) so that suffering of the public is eased. Qabiil and other narrow interests are an obstacle to peace. That is a sensible approach, Che---just make sure you don’t lose the value of peace talks for it’s the only realistic means to end this drawn out tragedy of ours.

The Beledweyne massacre was bad, Shaamow was even worse, but at least that was not in Ramadan. This one represents the ultimate disrespect to everything Muslims hold dear :mad:

At Least 30 Killed in Somalia Attack By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN NAIROBI, Kenya — Somali insurgents disguised in government military uniforms stormed a Mogadishu hotel on Tuesday and killed at least 30 people, including six lawmakers, laying bare how vulnerable Somalia’s government is, even in an area it claims to control. The insurgents methodically moved room to room, killing hotel guests who tried to bolt their doors shut, Somali officials said. When government forces finally cornered the insurgents, two blew themselves up with suicide vests. The attack shows that “operational momentum has shifted to the insurgents, who can go anywhere they want except where the African peacekeepers are deployed,” said J. Peter Pham, senior vice president at the National Committee on American Foreign Policy. Several Somali politicians said that the government was so thoroughly under siege that it could work only from behind fortified, sandbagged positions, and that the shrinking government enclave in Mogadishu, the capital, could soon vanish altogether. “The problem is the government is not working hard on security; it’s the same old thing,” said Asha A. Abdalla, a member of Parliament who was in Nairobi during the attack. Like many others in the 550-member Somali Parliament, Mrs. Asha often stays in Kenya because of the dangers of living in her country. “But I don’t know what the A.U. is doing, either,” she said, referring to the more than 6,000 African Union peacekeepers in Mogadishu. “If they are not protecting M.P.’s, who are they protecting?” The most powerful insurgents are the Shabab, a militant Islamist group that has publicly stoned civilians to death and pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda. The Shabab seem to be constantly two steps ahead of Somalia’s transitional government, analysts say, despite the fact that the Somali government receives tens of millions of dollars in security assistance from the United States and other Western countries. American officials have said the transitional government, however weak and disorganized, is the best bulwark against a Shabab-ruled Somalia, though in reality the Shabab already rule much of Somalia. The battle now seems to be turning to Mogadishu, specifically the few neighborhoods that the government still marginally controls, like the areas around the presidential palace, seaport and airport. Earlier this year, Somali government officials promised to sweep the Shabab out of the capital and expand their zone. But government forces have been plagued by defections and apathy, Somali commanders concede, and it seems that the Shabab are the ones on the offensive. The hotel raid followed intense shelling against government positions on Monday, which killed dozens of people and sent mortar shells crashing into camps for internally displaced people. “There’s been fierce fighting and the government is getting pushed back,” said Abdirizak Farah, a shopkeeper who fled his home at 4 a.m. Tuesday to seek shelter closer to government troops. The three-story hotel that was attacked, the Muna, was popular among Somali lawmakers because it was thought to be secure and was located less than a mile away from the presidential palace in a breezy seaside neighborhood. Witnesses said that a group of about three to five insurgents appeared at the gate at 10:30 a.m. wearing government military uniforms, and that as soon as the hotel guards opened the way for them, the gunmen opened fire. They then rushed into the hotel corridors, shooting everyone in sight. Government forces arrived a few minutes later and battled the insurgents room by room, eventually pushing the gunmen to the upper floor. According to witnesses, several lawmakers tried to lock themselves in their rooms, but they were hunted down and shot at close range with assault rifles. “They killed everyone they saw inside the hotel and then blew themselves up,” said Abdirahman Omar Osman, Somalia’s information minister. Mr. Abdirahman called the attack “murder” and said it was “against Islamic religion,” especially during the holy month of Ramadan. Another Somali official, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said the Shabab were “using all tactics.” “They don’t care about Ramadan,” the official said. “They are criminals. They are terrorists.” An 11-year-old shoeshine boy and a woman selling tea in front of the hotel were also killed, African Union officials said. The hotel raid seemed to have been planned well in advance, and several residents living near the hotel said that Shabab fighters had been renting rooms for weeks in their neighborhood, leading them to expect a major attack. A Shabab spokesman on Tuesday said that Shabab “special forces” were the ones who stormed the hotel. Earlier on Tuesday, the government claimed to have captured one of the attackers. The last time the government was dealt such a deadly blow was in December, when the Shabab killed four government ministers in a suicide bombing at a medical school graduation in another hotel in the government zone. Then in July, the Shabab claimed responsibility for killing dozens of World Cup fans in coordinated bombings in Uganda, saying it was revenge against Ugandan peacekeepers. Analysts said that Tuesday’s raid on the hotel, though, was something different, with gunmen going toe-to-toe against government forces in an area teeming with government troops, which seemed to be a sign of increasingly brazen and confident insurgents. Somalia has lurched from crisis to crisis since 1991, when the central government collapsed. Several Somali officials have conceded that if it were not for the African Union peacekeepers, the transitional government would fall, most likely in hours. Mohamed Ibrahim contributed reporting from Galkaiyo, Somalia.

Allaha u naxariisto dadka meesha ku dhintay. kuligood waa muslimiin fitno ku dhimatay. Dadka qaraabada iyo ehelka la ahaa kuwa dhintayna allaha samir iyo imaan ha ka siiyo

Good distinction there, chubacka. cashar fiican

Voltaire is a troll...waxbuu doconayaa aan kasoo baxayn.

^^

6 yrs for interveiwing Atom? Unjust is understatement

@NGONGE wallee NGONGE war buu hayyaa, midbaa S America ka carooday ku lahaa

Had Muse Yusuf sufficed his love songs on secularism, and forgone the incoherent critique on shariah, his piece however poorly written would have been bearable. To be sure, his ramble does not warrant a response, but few things must be noted: Islam has proved to be very resilient religion; its values withstood close to two hundred years of prosecution and suppression, and in 2010 at the height of its detractors' power, it thrives in places that were seemed far and foreign to it a century ago. An Egyptian friend of mine was telling me his observation in his last visit to Egypt, Chinese Muslims are everywhere he said, enrolling religious studies in Egypt’s prestigious schools. In Europe those who went a far to colonize other continents are today fearful of the silent conquest of Islamic values, not with armies, but with ideas reflected in how average Muslim person conducts him/herself. And in New York, the symbol of secularism and free market power, American politicians are rattled with the potential construction of a simple mosque. All of this suggests one thing and one thing only: Islam has a powerful message, a message that its enemies struggled to contain for the last few centuries. It’s indeed a beautiful message of peace and spiritual harmony. Why else would a powerful country like America almost reach a consensus to ditch its bedrock ideals of religious freedom and personal liberty to halt the reach of Islam’s message, if not the real truth that lies within this faith…and the fact that it is the one that breaches the real gospel of truth as it were. Ramadan coincided with this silly political season, and it is absurd how ridiculously low the story of New York mosque got… Now back to the topic poor Muse wanted to tackle but miserably fell short: The role (or lack thereof) of shariah islamiyah in Somalia’s government. What Muse is suggesting albeit incoherently is to remove Islamic values from any Somali government. And that is something that is no wise possible. Muse is fighting in a hill not worth dying on. It's a fight he and his likes will lose primarily because Somalis are Muslims, and Muslims in general never had the European experience that resulted in the separation between church and state. Muse needs to read the historical background of that experience, and I am sure when he reads the historicity of it he will then appreciate the reasons that fathered that concept in the European context. If he is a man of reason, he will then realize the absurdity of selecting a form of government solely on the basis of others experience, and not based on one’s own conditions and stipulations. Subsequently, poor Muse will have to eat his words back and examine the weak methodology of citing isolated cases to indict a tested and tried system of governance, Islamic Government. Having said that, extremist groups, I mean those who took on them selves to defend Islam as they see fit and in the process destroyed the basic tenets of Islam out of anger, have indeed damaged the brand of shariah islamiyah. It’s there fore quite lamentable that one of the casualties of alshabaab’s rise to prominence in Somalia’s political affairs could well be the name of shariah islaamiyah. For those who argued that Somalia will be better of if shariah islaamiyah is implemented may now be having second thoughts as they are confronted with the crudeness of alshabaab’s makeshift courts. And one could understand the doubt. The doubt, I believe, could easily be dispelled if the sahwah in Somalia reexamines its message and recalibrates it. It’s no longer enough to put emphasis on the benefits of shariah of islamiyah and the stability its implementation would entail. For what has thus far transpired in the name of shariah islamiyah in Somalia does not promise a long-term stability, and the benefits it yielded are dismally inadequate! Instead, the sahwah must emphasize on how shariah islamiyah should be implemented, stress on the practical requirements of xuduud, consensus needed and the legitimacy necessary in imposing it on large constituents. This concept goes beyond mere slogans. And it does not bode well for shariah islamiyah when bandits with political grievances murder innocent people in its name. Therefore, a great push must be made toward educating the masses about the basic requirements of shaiah implementation. The how is equally important, and without it a critical understanding would be absent in the concept of shariah islamiyah. ps. Ramadan Kariim

xaaji xunjufow wixii taa laga yeeli lahaa waa talo rag u taala, rabbina leh, laakiin rag waxaa ugu liitta ninka doodiisu kusoo ururtay 'Haddaad na aqoonsantaan, waa Kenya & Ethiopia e, waxaan aasaynaa himadii soomaalida ee ahayd somaliweyn baanu isku keenaynaa' awoowe kaasaa rag ugu liitaa. iga qor taa aniga xaaji

^^ @thats not in the interest of Ethiopia and Kenya xaaji xunjuf, cashar kalaad malaha iga rabtaaye saan ka daacad maaha

@I've left out the names of the organizations for the common security reasons. …yet secessionists and their hired pens have yet to find their voice in a manner that could convince the world about the merits of splitting Somalis along clan lines. Recent election and the manner in which it was executed were impressive…the resultant outcome in the form of Siilaanyo’s leadership represented a ray of hope in the region. Still in the eyes of the power centers that matter, it was indeed a local in nature and had nothing to change the geopolitical equation.

Most likely Siilaanyo's SL will concede that SCC cannot be part of SL since their political stances are diametrically opposed to that of secessionist and will settle a friendly state between them and Puntland...that will trigger an Awdal state...and the eastern Burco will eventually have their own state which leaves the big western mother in alliance with Oodweyne to lead again as they did before

Tani ma mirihii Xidigobaa, wallee taasi inay dirac ahayd , tolow xaggee ku danbeysay?

^^Maya awoowe sidii Sayid Somal baad u hadlaysaa, Nuxurku waa in Faroole u baahanyahay inuu PIS address gareeyo...the Atom is minor war, and he never was a match to Puntland resources and manpower...even you knew that much.

Originally posted by Hunguri: 26-July-2010 This was my take on Galgala issue. If Attam and his Group lost Galgala, which I personally welcome. Then, let Faroole accept his critics and handle the mess of PIS. PIS should either be an organ of Puntland Goverment, whose orders and commands abide by the Chain of command of the Ministery of Security od Puntland not Meles or USA. Otherwise, mark my words, Puntland will never win the hearts and minds of its own Civilians. Security, will always be an issue which remains grief. Somali land, hawshan Puntland ayaa iska leh, idinku ka nasta idinkoo raalli ah Salama! @Somaliland ka nasta idinkoo raalli ah Hunguri, I absolutely agree with you on this. If the victory over Atom is true, and decisive, Faroole now has a golden opportunity to get to the bottom of PIS entity. If PIS remains a freelance, armed intelligence entity, there will be more Atoms to deal with, and that is a war Puntland can never win.

Raggii caraysnaa waa dhanyihiin saaka , including Macnoyare

^^salaan ngonge, waa marke hore e marka labaad, ragga waaweyn waxaa lagu gartaa calaamatu cumri ah inay cuntada inta jilicsanka cunaan, hadalkana yareeyaan, oo nuxurkiisa ku gaabsadaan, and in thata spirit, maantoo dhan ma war baan wadaynaa ? Galgala Hunguri ka waryaso , anigu warka internet ka ku qoran baan hayyaa, kaasina wuxuu leeyahay Faroole baa qabsaday , Atomna waa isaga huleelay

Yours, ya NGONGE, is lame. You have been watching me all day articulating what my calls are about and now you come back paraphrasing poor Sayid silly questions EDIT: ngonge adeer sal fudaydkii baa la timid, waxa laga hadlayo adoon aad u fahmin baad xoogaagii la shir timid, haddaan kuu sheegayna inaysan meesha qabana maadan yeelin ee waad isa sii maqiiqtay ...xal ma lihid.

^^ this was historic speech, he claimed the summit of authority not from one of those corrupt houses of his province but from the pulpit of jaamicul garoowe...some one told him what many in somali politics did not know