NGONGE, we know that SSC has been a political thorn on your side. The failure of your strategy toward that region is manifested in the fact that SSC has now developed a military wing. The dispute there has been long running however and the secessionists’ desire to reach the promised colonial borders is well documented. You tell us you are still crawling to reach that political station. We say you never will. What took place in Boorama though is more profound in the sense that it highlights the fragility of your project awoowe. Who would’ve thought your security apparatus would struggle to put down a blue-flag-waving demo in Borama…

^^ There is nothing wishful-thinking about the resonance of the unity flag with Boorama communities. The headline of this thread says it all, NGONGE. What they tell you is not always true

^^Adeer you are uncharacteristically missing the real intellectual bullet in the passage you quoted. Ku noqo:D

@Hays oran cidi kuma arkaysee, qalin ku aarso True. But guilty by association is the only charge that could be thrown at him, since he left the county at a younger age (in early twenties, I heard). Somalidu inay si cafisaa u roon, baan anigu qabaa mabda'iyan, aan lays faag faagin.

Duke, this article talks about Puntland's development in general terms, and says nothing about Atom. Mise maxay tahay obsessionka with Atom adeer?

Surely Nassir the brainchild of Makhir State is angry with Puntland .

Abwaan, this DR. Peter Pham is a fraud of the first order. He has served as the hired pen for the sinister cause of dismembering Somalia on the basis of past colonial history. His critique when viewed in that lenses is nothing more than continuing his deliberate malign of every political arrangement in the south as long that arrangement does not succumb to the separatist demands he has been hired to advocate for. Getting that out of the way, here are few points to note: 1- The selection of Mohamed is not a significant political event in the sense that the entity he is chosen to lead its cabinet is constructed on a greater political scheme which, it must be born in mind, preceded him. 2- Mohamed’s read on Somalia’s contemporary political history is irrelevant for the job he is nominated to do. That was an academic exercise from his part, and anyone who has misgivings with his vast analysis on the past political dynamics should do so in a similar fashion. It should not be basis to disqualify him from the post. 3- Mogadishu is teaming with unrepentant criminals, known warlords, and other personalities with questionable backgrounds from all over Somalia who all are part of this TFG. So questioning Mohamed's background does not do much to remedy Somalia current conflict.

Faysal Roble's take on PM's old thesis

U.S. trying new approach in Somalia to fight insurgency By John Vandiver Wednesday, October 20, 2010 STUTTGART, Germany — In the coming months, the U.S. will begin direct engagement with leaders of two northern Somalia breakaway regions with the hope that those political ties can stem the radical insurgency that threatens to spread beyond the lawless parts of southern Somalia, according to State Department officials. The effort marks a significant policy change toward Somalia, which has become a safe haven for the Islamic insurgent group al-Shabab, an al-Qaida-linked faction that has been battling the weak, U.S.-backed central government. In the last two years, the U.S. has spent more than $200 million trying to bolster Somalia’s Transitional Federal Government. And while that support will continue, the U.S. also will engage with leaders in Somaliland and Puntland as it looks to build on those regions’ relative political and civil stability. The U.S. will provide assistance that strengthens the regions and prevents them from being “pulled backward” by an al-Shabab incursion, Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Johnnie Carson told Stars and Stripes during a visit to U.S. Africa Command headquarters in Stuttgart last week. “We want to encourage the TFG to be more than just a government in name only,” Carson said. Working with groups in Somaliland and Puntland will help achieve “poles of stability that will create the kind of environment that will bring about more progress in dealing with radical extremism of Shabab,” Carson said. Carson said the U.S. would not establish formal diplomatic relations with the two entities nor recognize their independence, but would help their governments with agriculture, water, health and education projects. By doing so, the U.S. hopes to shield these regions from the influence of al-Shabab, which seeks to impose its own harsh form of Sharia law across Somalia. However, some Africa experts believe that the new approach is unlikely to quell any of the violence in the contested southern part of the country. It also is unlikely to spur reform within the country’s weak government. “I’m not sure if investing more in the north helps secure the south ... or furthers the goal of a united Somalia,” said Richard Downie, an Africa policy analyst with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “But that goal is so far off right now as to be unobtainable, so the new focus I think is more on the short to medium term.” The U.S.’s two-track approach is more a reflection of the incompetence of the TFG than a recipe for uniting Somalia, Downie said. “It doesn’t make sense to have all the policy eggs in one basket,” he said. Somaliland declared independence in 1991, and Puntland declared itself an autonomous state in 1998. While each has established its own political and law enforcement institutions, no other nation formally recognizes them. But these territories could serve as bulwark against al-Shabab, according to Carson. The decision to engage with other political elements in Somalia — other than the TFG — could signal a willingness for the Obama administration to adapt as the U.S. grapples for ways to contain the growing threat from groups like al-Shabab. “I think it is a positive development, but like all policies, the devil is in the details,” said Ken Menkhaus, a leading Somalia scholar from Davidson College in North Carolina. While U.S. development agencies and others in the international community have done work in Somaliland before, direct political engagement is something new. The challenge will be making sure that America’s involvement with Somali leaders outside the TFG doesn’t undermine efforts to build up a central government, according to Menkhaus. “But if it’s done correctly, it reinforces the central government,” he said, adding that the policy shift will be unlikely to include a U.S. military component. Support for the TFG remains the first priority, Carson said. The African Union’s contingent of more than 7,000 troops, mainly drawn from Uganda, which protects the fragile TFG from being overrun by insurgents, will continue to receive U.S. backing, he said. Meanwhile, U.S. Africa Command continues to provide training and logistical support to deploying AU forces. However, the Somali government needs to do more to bring together different factions in the country, according to Carson. While there are no concrete initiatives yet, U.S. officials will begin to meet on a periodic basis with government officials from Somaliland and Puntland to discuss development issues, including health, education, agriculture, and water projects, to help ensure their capacity to govern and to deliver services to their people. In addition, Carson said the U.S. will look to engage with smaller groups — clans and sub-clans — which deliver services to the population and oppose the ideology of Shabab, but are not aligned with the TFG. For 20 years Somalia has been without a functioning government and during most of that time, the international community has been disengaged. Ever since the deadly Battle of Mogadishu in 1991, which left 18 U.S. soldiers dead, the U.S. has had a largely hands-off policy toward Somalia. By 1992, all western troops pulled out of the country and diplomatic and development work was limited. However, during the past couple of years, that has been slowly changed as new threats have emerged. “We’ve seen this localized cancer become a regional cancer,” said Carson. “We also see outflows of small arms across the border, feeding criminality and lawlessness.” And with the influx of foreign fighters who are taking up arms alongside al-Shabab, including some Americans of Somali descent, the cancer has “metastasized” into a global malignancy, Carson said. The long-term goal of one Somalia operating under something that resembles a democracy is a long way off, Carson acknowledged. “It is first stability,” he said. “Second, it is to help create the conditions and environment to end the recurring cycle of humanitarian disaster and create an environment where development can take root.” But while Carson will not say it, the TFG is probably not the political entity to bring that about, Downie said. The decision to work with other political groups is a sign that the U.S. is getting more pragmatic in its approach, broadening what has so far been a narrow strategy, he said. “It reflects the fact that the TFG is probably a doomed project,” Downie said. vandiverj@estripes.osd.mil

Libaahe, no one doubts that secessionists have rules to enforce…that is not a moot point. However, we are commenting on the apparent political fragility you're facing. If the blue-flag-waving demo were to take place in the disputed areas i.e. Laascaanood, your spin would’ve been credible. But the fact it took place in Boorame (the provincial capital of Awdal region, the home pace of Mr. Riyaale Kahin) shows how little this secessionist nonsense has resonance with that community. Xaaji xunjuf, I am sure you are drunk with SNM’s revisionist literature, but it is a known fact that Barre regime has effectively put down both SNM and SSDF rebellious activities. He was weakened in the process no doubt but SNM’s bold moves in the mid eighties did not yield military success to sing about. And Barre at the time was a wanning star and he was a fully reliant on western doll outs, the financial institutions were collapsing, and his security apparatus were disintegrating…yet he was able to put you down. Atrocities committed in the form of blatant human rights violation are a different topic.

d/p

One knew democracy and freedom of expression were mere slogans intended for the consumption of outside world…it never existed. But the real take away of this move is that despite twenty years of uninterrupted indoctrination, and with population where sixty percent of it is represented by a demographic that grew up with the said indoctrination, the secessionist ideologues in the north have indeed failed. If the admin is still struggling to do away the blue flag in the current political void in the south due to the absence of a strong Somali state, picture what would happen when a Somali government with all its political machinations are in place to influence the political affairs in Somaliland.

Xaggee wax ka qasanyihiin ?

^^Oodewyne never objected my use of D and R for his ilk

@@Qofkii waligiis cajalad gadisan dhageystay baa warkaan fahmi kara. I am tempted to write an essay on this absurdity wallaahi

^^ Barre wixii uu u halgamayey baa nin aan weligii xabad ridina iska qaatay ee Gabal aan sugno asagaa war oo dhan noo hayyee ps. Late Congrats awoowe. I heard the good news.

This is for Gabal to comment. He is the resident expert of Gedo affairs

The power of the blue flag xaaji xunjuf and jacaylbaro told us it is a mere 'calal', or a ragged piece of cloth and has no significance. Yet in the eyes of SL police, it's seen as a dangerous presence that could ‘destroy’ the supposed nationhood of Somaliland .

SL: 'Calanka Somalia waa qaran-dumis' 19 Oct 19, 2010 - 8:37:54 AM Magaalada Borama waxa Xabsiga loo taxaabay dhalinyaro ka badan 11 oo mudo 25 maalmood ah ku xidhan iyaga oo aan wax maxkamad ah aan la horkeenin kuwaas oo waalidiintoodu hore uga dalbadeen hay'adaha garsoorka ee gobolka Awdal iyo Xukuumadaba in sharciga la horkeeno wixii ay danbi leeyihiina la cadeeyo hadii kalena si deg deg ah xoriyadooda loogu soo celiyo. Taas oo ay kaga jawaabeen maalinimadii sabtidii ee aanu ka soo gudubnay masuuliyiinta Booliska ee Gobolka Awdal in ay warbaahinta ka shaaciyaan danbiga loo haysto dhalinyaradaa. Waana markiii ugu horaysay ee laga maqlo hay’adaha garsoorka danbiga loo haysto dhalinyaradaas , balse sida caadiga ah ayaa maxkamada waxaa looga bartay iyadu inay naqdido danbiga loo haysto cida la soo eedeeyey taas oo u dhici karta in danbigaas lagu helo iyo in lagu waayo. Arrinta hadaba ay masuuliyiinta boolisku warbaahinta ka sheegeen in dhalinyarada loo haysto oo ah fal danbiyeed la xidhiidha qaran dumis ayaa waxaa ay keentay in ay waalidiinta dhalinyaradaasi ay ka muujiyaan dareen. kuwaas oo uu ku tilmaayey in sifo sharciga ka baxsan oo aan hore loo arag danbi looga dhigo, iyada oo aa eedaymahooda aan wali maxkamada horteeda laga cadayn. Si kastaba ha ahaatee dadwaynaha sida gaarka ah ula socda arintan ayaa ilaa hada iswaydiinaya sababta ku kaliftay masuuliyinta boolisku inay ka degdegaan go’aanka ay maxkamada ka soo saari doonto qaadista dacwada taas oo ay dadka qaarkii u fasirteen in ay tahay been abuur lagu faragalinayo dhalinyarada oo loo eryanayo Qolonimo ama Xasbi ahaaan. Waxa kale oo ay saraakiisha Police-ku sheegeen in kooxdan dhalinyarada ahi ay sameeyeen waxa aanay j eclayn ayaa dhagaha dadku maadama oo ay soo qaateen calanka Somaliya oo isagu ka mamnuuc ah aragtidiisu guud ahaan maamulka Somaliland iyo waliba astaamo kale oo ah kuwo ku lid ah Gobolka Awdal.

He got a bad counsel. He was right yesterday.

^^Wixii aan qoray ee niqaash koo dhami ku salaysnaa baa balaayo fagatay ! I find MMA's and Libaax's editing quite ridiculous! It’s like the so called xuduud alshabaab’s makeshift courts carry out

xaaji, kaasi waa madiixi waqooyiga , shariifka iyo anagu makala fogin, shiddo weynina ma jirto sideedaba , labo dhib baa noo muuqda labaatankii sano lasoo dhaafay, qoloda caraysan ee go'ida rabta, iyo shabaab ka inay cid wax ku darsadaan diiday oo raba gobol walba inay xoog ku qabsadaan shiddooyinka na haystaad ka mid tahay awoowe , aniga iyo shariifku ba xal baan raadinaynaa

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Qandali xaajiga ha waalin, nin taariikh garanaya maaha, 20kii sano la waallaa buu wax ku dhisayaa xaaji xunjuf, ****-block talada ayagaa leh, halka waziir istixgelin , ixtiraam , iyo si xikmad leh bay qolo usiin ma fahamtay waryaa [ October 19, 2010, 12:42 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

^^ That is a gouge, some one needs to tackle that