^^Perhaps you are not young, but your post above is. It is akin to an underage kid who labored mightily to speak at an assembly of elders under acacia tree, where discussions of weighty nature were being held, who despite his efforts to sound deep only managed to bare his rookie nature. Evidence of media reporting on the ethnicity or religious association of criminal elements belonging to new immigrants is neither here nor there awoowe. We know it exists so mentioning it does not add any value to the discussion. If you are itching for argument with Odey Xiin, argue on the substance of his contention, not on its margins.

It's final now

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Any surprises? Yes. Both Sharif’s chief staff and communication director jumped ship . If this list is final, both will be ministers. Also Prof. Abdiweli is a fresh face---assuming he is the man i think he is. edit: It appears save two, all ministers are new faces in Farmaajo's cabinet.

Wasiirada DF oo la magacaabey 12 Nov 12, 2010 - 7:48:06 AM Ra'iisul wasaaraha Somalia Maxamed Cabdullaahi Maxamed [Farmaajo], ayaa lagu wadaa inuu goordhow ku dhawaaqo golihiisa wasiirada oo ka kooban 18-xubnood oo u badan Qurbo-joog, iyadoo xubnaha uu magacaabayo ay ku jiraan saddex xubnood oo ka mid ahaa wasiirradiii hore. Golihiisa wasiirrada ayaa waxaa ka mid ah: Ra'iisul wasaare ku xigeenka ahna Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda Maxamed C/llaahi Oomar iyo Ra'iisul Wasaare ku xigeen ah wasiirka Gaashaanhiddga Cabdixakiin Maxamed Xaaji. Wasiirrada kale ayaa waxaa ka mid ah: Wasiirka Maaliyada Xuseen Cabdi Xalane, Wasiirka Qorsheynta iyo Iskaashiga Caalamiga Cabdiweli Maxamed, Wasiirada Haweenka Maryan Qaasim, Wasiirka Arrimaha Gudaha iyo Ammaanka Cabdishakuur Sheekh Xasan Faarax, Wasiirka howlaha Guud iyo dib u dhiska Cabdirashiid Khaliif Xaashi, Wasiirka Cadaaladda iyo Arimaha Diinta C/llaahi Abyan Nuur iyo Wasiirka Warfaafinta, Boostada iyo Isgaarsiinta Cabdikariim Axmed Jaamac. Ra'iisul wasaaraha oo lagu waday inuu ku dhawaaqo golihiisa maanta duhurkii, ayaa la sheegay in sababta uu dib u dhaca ugu yimid ay tahay iyadoo uu taagan yahay muran ku saabsan xubnahan oo u dhexeeya Madaxweynaha, Gudoomiyaha baarlamaana iyo Ra'iisul wasaaraha.

^^ warbixin baa ka horreysay uu jacayl baro yiri ninkii tanzanian ka ahaa qaadiruu hargeysa la hurdaa, markuu subixii soo toosana cajal ictiraafka somaliland ku saabsan baa laga duubayaa

xaaji xunjuf, ayyaamahan waad gaabinaysay ee kor kasoo bilaabo aqriska

^^ @ #4 Maxaan lahaa Waryaa Jacaylow, that would be a deplomatic suicide ee is jira

^^Ma qaad buu cunay ninyahow African ku wax walba waa ka suurowdaa, waxaan ka baqayaa asagoo qayilsan inaad cajalado ka duubtaan

Raggani waa rag meesha sii degenaa allow yaa ogaada Seriously, Somaliland baallihii ay ku duuli lahayd aa la tifay ee ha sugto intay usoo baxayaan. Waxaa igu maqaalaa in intaa wiilkii tanzanianka ahaa u sheegay Siilaanyo

kolleyba waa nin SOL aad u aqristay.

Malika, chocolate & honey, I perfectly understand our situation. I guess I am just airing my frustration. Have you sisters seen my bold request to the admin of SOL to edit chocolate & honey’s use of Somali word in the sex trafficking thread ? I also understand the disparity among various groups/races in America thusly why I was a bit cautious and against heartfelt euphoria of the authorities’ round up of the alleged criminals. Jacpher, it is interesting to watch how the system has been easily bended to procure prosecutors desired outcome.

Very provocative writer Tolow waa qolodee

^^DNA and lie detector tests were ignored as well. chocolate & honey , the community is not bad. These things happen everywhere. Worst things happen in Somalia. The authorities should treat it as a criminal activity and prosecute it. Just don’t attribute to the large community. That is what media is guilty of. And that is my complaint. Taa weeye tan ila qaldan. Dadyowga kaleba intaa waxbay bi’iyaane, lamana magac dhebo …inta danbiga gashay baa garsoorka lala tiigsadaa…ma fahamtay? I have yet to hear or read a report on ‘Swede’ crimes up in Duluth, or a ‘German’ violent racism in St. Cloud …no Norwegian or Finish crimes are reported. It’s either Black violence in North Minn., Hmongs in East St. Paul, or Somalis everywhere in the state. It may help you to see the distribution of crimes in the state. What percentage do you reckon Somalis contribute? I promise you not much. And that is in every criminal category. We are not the menace we are portrayed to be. I remember one time a prominent TV station solicited (clearly solicited) a raw video showing Somali kids hurling profanity against a Gay parade in down town Minneapolis. And you guessed it: it made into the evening news: ‘Violent SOMALI kids harassing Gay Parade’---or something to that effect. Similar things happened in St. Paul and the kids that harassed people in the parks. Once again a raw video was produced and aired. Haddaan wado naftaa kaa baxaysaa…qayb baanu ka nahay shiddada oo rag waagay tuulo joogga ahaayeen ogaa in nin dadka ugu codweyne ugu caansanyahay baa maalin walba idaacadaha daba taagan…oo intaa war daldalaya. Goormaa iigu danbaysay Hmong MPR laga waraysanayo ma xasuusto Wallaahi…ceeb weeye waxa na haystaa Adna waabad ku doodaysaa… Crime is a crime. Period. Abtir ma leh. Midda kale, community gan beledaa ee isku xiran ee Soomaalida la yiraahdo xaggee joogtaa? Ma aragteen? Magaca hanaloo daayo

Originally posted by chocolate & honey: It is a bit strange to talk about a case say where all the suspects are white except for one black person without mentioning their race. Yet crimes involving other communities don’t necessarily result in the media mentioning their ethnic associations, chocolate & honey. It adds no value to the facts of the crime. All it does is to alert the readers/viewers that there is a problem with the wider community, which may or not may be true. That is how bigotry and prejudices are created i.e. Muslims are terrorists or Somalis are dysfunctional. It is an old argument. It has been the trend in the national media to have peculiar fondness of reporting religious associations of a particular crime when those committing the crime are Muslims. If they happen to subscribe to other faiths (say Christianity), the media tend not to bother pointing out that aspect of the perpetrators. The Texas IRS suicide bomber is case in point. Demonstrably, so was the now-dead Oklahoma terrorist of 1996. This is, and has been, a major complaint in media’s selective reporting, or framing. There is nothing Somali about the alleged crimes, hence no need to point out the ‘Somaliness’ of these criminals.

Sex-ring suspects fight jail order Thursday, November 11, 2010 Soon after U.S. Magistrate Judge Franklin Noel ordered that Andrew Kayachith , one of 29 suspects named Monday in an alleged sex trafficking ring, should be released pending trial, officials in Nashville moved to ensure he remain locked up. Kayachith is one of a handful of suspects in the case Noel ordered released this week -- citing family ties, school, a job and no serious criminal history. But a federal judge in Nashville has so far ordered all but one to remain in jail pending their appearance in Tennessee. Trouble was, Kayachith was technically free. In fact, he was getting fitted for an electronic monitoring ankle bracelet when U.S. District Judge William Haynes issued an order stopping his release from custody. The legal wrangling Wednesday provided an interesting glimpse into a case in which most of the suspects are from Minnesota, but the people prosecuting and presiding over it are in Nashville. The U.S. Attorney's Office here told the Nashville folks that Haynes' order was not sufficient to hold Kayachith. So a federal magistrate judge in Nashville issued an order to hold him. That posed another problem, pointed out Andrew Mohring of the Office of the Federal Defender. One magistrate judge cannot overrule another. Assistant U.S. Attorney David Steinkamp agreed, and asked Noel to delay a ruling until clarity came from Nashville. Instead, Noel affirmed his order that Kayachith be released. That doesn't mean Kayachith or his parents should breathe easy. Prosecutors and defense attorneys said they expect another court order will come, sending him back to jail. Source: Star Tribune

I must admit that I don’t know any of the arrested. Of course, there are gangs, prostitutes (one of the oldest professions), drug-dealers (qat chewers included) and other criminal activities in the Somali community, just like any other community in America, or the west for that matter. The story of 13/14-year-old girls being sold to older men for sexual pleasure is horrifying to any decent person. The coercions and extortions (young girls sent to apartment to ask if they can use the bathroom…to entice male resident for sexual engagement …only to threaten him later with rape charges if thousands of dollars are not immediately paid) are contemptible and amount to sexual enslavement and blackmailing. All these I heard, and most I am sure are true. Although I strongly resent the use of ‘Somali’ in the reporting for various reasons, I am not at all in denial of the existence of criminality in the community. I don’t particularly blame anyone entity or system. It’s possible some of the affected girls/boys are without parents…they might’ve lost theirs in the civil war, or their relatives bought them sponsorship to America for better life …young, lone, restless and in America, that is a recipe for potential disaster, and we all know it. Ilaahay ha u sahlo The frontline program is a timely reminder for those of us who take authorities’ version of this story at face value. If it can happen to four white, American servicemen, think about the youth of a growing community in America’s heartland. The hand of justice in America is indeed long, but it can overreach. That is all, my friends.

I read this thread, and I cant help but feel sorry for a lot of people here who really think everything in the indictment is true. Last night I watched a very interesting and timely program of American justice system, which I am happy to share with you here---please watch. The Confessions of Four Men

^^War ma anaad odey u leedahay Ninyahow dhibaattaa jirta da'dii waa laygu nacay ee ina adeer xiin e dheh or walaal i dheh beenna maaha

LOL@Cara’s sarcastic take of Geeljire’s story. Sheh is honest as ever. Sida geeljire wax u wariyey na u malayn mayo inay arrimuhu ahaayeen, sida Sheh u qariibsatayna mustaxiil uma aha…

^^Come again, adeer.

The symbolism is unmistakable, the memory vivid to be shunned away, and the manner he lectures about the independence struggles of this country is impressive…this is why Obama is to many an enigma. Considering the political suspicions at home, and the rise of American right with all the demagoguery and bigotry that came with it, one would think that Obama would shirk from seeming too conversant with the history of an Islamic country…but the man is made of something else really: instead he goes to a mosque with his wife and takes his shoes off conforming to the Muslim rituals, he praises Indonesian independence history and honors its heroes, he describes his childhood memories growing up in Jakarta… NY times article about Obama's speech

Ilaahow nimaan wax ogeyn ha cadaabin waa tii Maxamed Dheege'e (jacayl baro wuu qosli ) Ninka kibirku shaanshaan ka riday waaya shaxartaanye Misna wuxuusan sheekada ku darin shiishka soo maqane Inta shaqalka gaabani u jiro sheeg hadaad garato

tip of the iceberg.... Request to the admin: please remove 'Somali' word in the subject of this topic. It is already bad enough that the mainstream media is invoking Somali name in the most negative way. These criminal activities are not unique to Somalis. Every community does it, and the media don’t habitually attach other communities’ names with each and every crime one of theirs commit.

Al Bashir has vastly miscalculated the terms of his prior agreement with John G. He trusted the fate of Sudan’s territorial integrity with John’s political convictions and leadership’s skills. John, it was said, was a unionist leader who only wanted to secure the rights of the people in the south and chart toward an elevated political role for them. He died (or assassinated if you believe the rumors of the circumstances surrounding his death) and so did Al Bashir’s political scheme to hold Sudan together. A new leader took over, and he proved to be very serious in the separation of Sudan. He got the diplomatic muscle behind him…and he has the votes on the ground. Al Bashir is now reduced to fight on the margins of this historic battle …he is now talking about where the eventual border will run.